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| 00:08.29 | Jayce^ | you buy one? |
| 00:09.24 | jakea | I asked for one for my b-day, and luckily my brother in law is a linux user as well |
| 00:32.37 | Bradipo | Ouch: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5101690.html |
| 00:33.09 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 00:33.24 | Bradipo | Unfortunately this is true. |
| 00:33.36 | Bradipo | And will remain so until certain applications are made available. |
| 00:33.39 | Jayce^ | nah, stick with osx at home |
| 00:33.44 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 00:33.58 | Bradipo | Does Quickbooks run on OSX? |
| 00:34.10 | Jayce^ | my wife made the move to linux, was fine with it except for when I broke things.. then moved to osx |
| 00:34.19 | Jayce^ | I'm pretty sure... I know quicken does |
| 00:34.26 | Jayce^ | it came with my wife's |
| 00:34.31 | Bradipo | Well, my wife is using linux but didn't really have a choice. |
| 00:35.08 | Bradipo | All of my computers were running some form of Linux and we haven't bought any new computers. |
| 00:35.13 | Bradipo | So we only have linux. :-) |
| 00:35.17 | Bradipo | And BSD. |
| 00:36.29 | Bradipo | ``However, Szulik expects Linux to be ready in a couple of years after it has had time to mature.'' |
| 00:36.44 | Bradipo | Hmm, how long is it going to take for linux to ``mature'' ? |
| 00:37.09 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 00:37.13 | Bradipo | I mean, it has been around for over 11 years now. |
| 00:37.22 | Jayce^ | personally, I agree with part of the debate the uug had over this article.. |
| 00:37.33 | Bradipo | Hmm, I'm not on UUG anymore. |
| 00:37.34 | Jayce^ | I think it's just as easy as windows for the average person.. |
| 00:37.39 | jakea | ya.... how many posts on the UUG now |
| 00:37.44 | Bradipo | Yes. |
| 00:37.50 | Jayce^ | most people get lost having to do anything in windows too.. |
| 00:38.00 | Bradipo | I agree that for the average person that doesn't have any exposure to computers to begin with, it will be just as easy. |
| 00:38.15 | Jayce^ | yes, many things could be easier for a absolute noob.. but it's on par for that level |
| 00:38.18 | Bradipo | But once that average user starts learning Windows, he suddenly forgets how to learn anything else. |
| 00:38.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's part of the virus Bradipo :) |
| 00:38.38 | Bradipo | And yes, most people using windows don't know how to use it either. |
| 00:38.53 | jakea | I imagine switching from one to the other would be harder than someone who has never used a computer before |
| 00:38.54 | Bradipo | That's why there are so many IT jobs out there. :-) |
| 00:39.20 | Bradipo | Actually, I had a harder time learning Windows than I ever did with Unix/LInux |
| 00:39.31 | Bradipo | It just wasn't nearly as intuitive. |
| 00:40.00 | jakea | ya.... when I first learned how partitions worked in linux, I thought it was stupdi |
| 00:40.06 | Bradipo | Let's see, you have to click this icon, then go the the third tab, select the fourth radio button. Ooops, what's this pop-up? That's new. I wonder where they moved that option now? |
| 00:40.11 | jakea | now I see how much easier it is |
| 00:40.23 | Bradipo | Yeah, it is. |
| 00:40.43 | Bradipo | I helped a friend learn how to mount a second hard drive into his filesystem today. |
| 00:41.01 | Bradipo | He asked me how to access it and I told him to mount it somewhere in his filesystem. |
| 00:41.02 | jakea | when my laptop died, I had my laptop data and user up and running on my desktop in no time, in windows it would have taken forever |
| 00:41.15 | Bradipo | Been there too. |
| 00:43.17 | jakea | I think RH and Mandrake have made great strides in making wizards and whatnot to help the "average user" |
| 00:43.30 | jakea | I hear SuSe has too, but I've never used it |
| 00:43.41 | Bradipo | What really needs to happen is that the world needs more clueful users. :-) |
| 00:43.52 | Bradipo | It's not the software that is broken. |
| 00:44.02 | Bradipo | SuSE is alright. |
| 00:44.11 | Bradipo | I prefer it over RH. |
| 00:44.16 | Bradipo | But I can't stand Mandrake. |
| 00:44.26 | Bradipo | My favorites are Slackware or Debian. |
| 00:44.32 | jakea | and I prefer Mandrake (currently) |
| 00:44.51 | jakea | I loved RH 7.3, but then they released 8 and I hated it |
| 00:45.11 | jakea | but I love KDE, so put two and two together... |
| 00:45.23 | Bradipo | KDE is great for new users I think. |
| 00:45.30 | jakea | it is |
| 00:45.32 | Bradipo | As long as they have enough juice in their box. |
| 00:45.36 | jakea | ya |
| 00:45.49 | jakea | I still love it, and I've been using for.... 3 years |
| 00:46.13 | jakea | I am sorry to say that the first Linux I used was Caldera |
| 00:46.21 | synic | I went through my fluxbox stage too... |
| 00:46.38 | Bradipo | Which version of Caldera? |
| 00:46.41 | Jayce^ | use KDE on my main box, have for about 3+ years now.. |
| 00:46.50 | Jayce^ | before that, gnome+e |
| 00:46.50 | jakea | I tried enlightenment for a week... I liked many things, but I didn't convert |
| 00:46.54 | Jayce^ | use fluxbox onthe laptop |
| 00:47.04 | Bradipo | Hehe, enlightenment is very cool. |
| 00:47.04 | Bradipo | But not practical. |
| 00:47.09 | Jayce^ | my first linux was caldera too (2)... |
| 00:47.09 | jakea | yeesh.. uh.... it was 4 years ago at school |
| 00:47.17 | Jayce^ | freebsd/bsdi before that |
| 00:47.17 | jakea | 2.2 kernal I'm sure |
| 00:47.41 | synic | hrmm... i think i just ate a jam sandwich with rotten jam included |
| 00:47.46 | Bradipo | I think Caldera had a pretty decent distro for a while. |
| 00:47.48 | jakea | KDE had to be 2.2 or before |
| 00:47.56 | Bradipo | eDesktop 2.4 was very good. |
| 00:48.13 | jakea | I liked it when I used it, eventually I got Mandrake going at home a year later |
| 00:48.42 | Bradipo | I've never been able to use Mandrake. |
| 00:48.59 | jakea | it's good for newbies IMO |
| 00:49.04 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 00:49.15 | jakea | and at the same time, I can use it without having to be a newbie |
| 00:49.24 | jakea | I update via command line |
| 00:49.32 | Jayce^ | I like it allright as a desktop, but not as a server |
| 00:49.37 | Jayce^ | urpmi is very nice.. |
| 00:49.48 | hans | ~lart urpmi |
| 00:49.49 | Bradipo | jakea: Have you tried Debian? |
| 00:49.51 | hans | ;-) |
| 00:50.00 | jakea | but when I don't know how to do something the "cool way" I can crack open the GUI and figure it out |
| 00:50.21 | jakea | I've never tried debian |
| 00:50.33 | jakea | I want to sometime... |
| 00:51.05 | jakea | I wanted to get my 200Mhz machine going again and try to install it on that |
| 00:51.20 | Bradipo | Well, Debian is nice if you don't want to have to worry about building stuff from source. |
| 00:51.35 | Bradipo | And don't want to worry about upgrading it all the time. |
| 00:51.51 | Bradipo | But I don't think it would be as friendly as Mandrake. |
| 00:51.53 | jakea | ya... but I like using the lastest "stable" stuff |
| 00:51.57 | Bradipo | w.r.t. GUI operations. |
| 00:52.25 | jakea | I got sourceforge sending me emails when things like gaim update |
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| 04:15.36 | hans | lol. the spam in my spambox is getting to where *I* can't even read the subject lines |
| 04:16.04 | Jayce^ | too much garble? |
| 04:16.27 | hans | yeah, you know how they try to make it unintelligible to filters. |
| 04:17.05 | hans | i'm sure I could figure it out if I thought about it... not that that's necessary - if it is in my spambox it's 99% sure spam and if I can't read the subject line all the better |
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| 04:49.38 | Bradipo | Hehe, I don't get spam. |
| 04:49.45 | Bradipo | My email is like fort knox. |
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| 05:09.37 | decriptor | what's with the ldsoss.org stuff |
| 05:12.47 | Jayce^ | what about it? |
| 05:15.43 | decriptor | what are they planning on doing with it |
| 05:17.58 | Jayce^ | a lot of things.. |
| 05:18.18 | Jayce^ | bascially having it be a central place for those who wish to contribute to lds related oss projects |
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| 06:18.01 | Mecworks | bbeattie: how's the presentation coming? |
| 06:19.22 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, you going to be at the booth? |
| 06:22.50 | bonez39 | what's a popular music sharing app for linux? |
| 06:23.06 | bbeattie | Mecworks: just finished it |
| 06:23.29 | bbeattie | heading downstairs to finish configuring my myth box, as it's in dev state right now... |
| 06:23.57 | jalance_ | I wouldn't know about music sharing.... but for p2p file sharing you can use gtk-gnutella... |
| 06:25.12 | jalance_ | I didn't admit to anything! |
| 06:25.20 | jalance_ | ~lart RIAA |
| 06:25.53 | Mecworks | ~lart SCO |
| 06:26.03 | Mecworks | ~whaleslap SCO |
| 06:26.09 | | ACTION slaps SCO upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 06:26.25 | Mecworks | SCO |
| 06:26.40 | Mecworks | ~lart SCO |
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| 07:08.00 | bonez39 | brailsmt: howdy |
| 07:08.42 | jakea | you get webmin / samba users working bonez39? |
| 07:09.26 | bonez39 | jakea: yeah, as a matter of fact..am listening to a bunch of tunes from my windows box...across the LAN..on my linux machine...using xmms |
| 07:09.35 | bonez39 | I am happy..... |
| 07:09.47 | jakea | good deal |
| 07:09.52 | jakea | sorry I was not more help |
| 07:09.59 | bonez39 | still can't get the networking from windows box, connecting to linux box to work yet..but will conquer that too |
| 07:11.48 | jakea | I use this program called komba2, it uses samba, and I've connected to open windows shares using that |
| 07:12.03 | jakea | for me though, it came installed with older versions of Mandrake |
| 07:12.18 | jakea | the newer ones I've had to install the contrib RPM |
| 07:18.09 | bonez39 | hmmm are you a developer, or end user? I am an end user.....but like to dig deeper in..and learn more... |
| 07:18.52 | jakea | I've a developer for a PHP project, but that's about it. I would consider myself more on the end user side of things |
| 07:19.31 | bonez39 | I am a chiropractor...I use a windows program, Lytec Medical, to manage patient files, accounting, scheduling and such...wish it was ported to linux... |
| 07:22.18 | jakea | I guess I'm lucky, Astronomy uses *nix by default for most things |
| 07:28.53 | Bradipo | Most of the sciences use *nix I believe. |
| 07:29.30 | Bradipo | Well a number of the number crunching type anyway. |
| 08:07.15 | brailsmt | howdy |
| 14:09.03 | Hanuman_ | gack! Foxtrot could at least use standards-correct html! The point is funny, though. |
| 14:11.26 | Hanuman | What is it with people using <p> after a paragraph? |
| 14:11.26 | Hanuman | It should be <p>paragraph here</p> |
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| 15:01.27 | hans | that's odd. irssi dumps core when I try to load my scolart script |
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| 15:50.43 | hans | host mail.sourceforge.net [66.35.250.206]: 550 Don't like your HELO/EHLO. Hostname must contain a dot. |
| 15:51.05 | hans | so how do I convince exim to do HELO falcon.fugal.net instead of HELO falcon? |
| 15:51.16 | hans | the former is in /etc/mailname, the latter in /etc/hostname |
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| 16:02.06 | Hanuman | It irks me that my Verizon DSL STILL hasn't had the guts to open up port 80 |
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| 16:11.10 | sjansen | Some days I really enjoy my job. I've just been asked to play with and learn about Apache 2. |
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| 16:18.48 | Hanuman | This packet8.net sounds very interesting - I may just have to switch to it - $19.95/mo, free long distance in US & Canada |
| 16:18.53 | Hanuman | VOIP |
| 16:19.06 | Hanuman | The only problem I can see with it is if the power goes down |
| 16:20.14 | sjansen | Which could be a real problem in an emergency. Do you have a cell phone? |
| 16:21.16 | Hanuman | I'm hoping to get one next year |
| 16:21.40 | Hanuman | especially with the savings in long distance I may just be able to afford one w/ this VOIP |
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| 16:46.52 | Hanuman | Has anyone else here tried VOIP for their phone service? |
| 16:47.59 | cyburdine | Anyone know of good companies in SLC area who use Linux / Freebsd? Looking to relocate to SLC. |
| 16:49.54 | levi | Use Linux / Freebsd for what? |
| 16:50.26 | sjansen | I think he wants a job. |
| 16:51.54 | Hanuman | cyburdine: are you willing to pay your own relocation costs? |
| 16:52.07 | Hanuman | I haven't found a company yet in this economy willing to pay relocation fees. |
| 16:54.10 | tensai | Maverick just posted a freebsd job in SLC. dunno if it's still open. |
| 16:55.35 | tensai | http://uug.byu.edu/pipermail/uug-list/2003-October/007897.html |
| 16:55.53 | tensai | that was Oct 29th. worth a shot anyway. |
| 16:58.42 | levi | sjansen: I figured as much. 'use Linux / Freebsd' is not much of a job description, though. |
| 16:59.40 | sjansen | Back in my day, we called it 250 megs, not a "quarter gig". |
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| 18:21.22 | emcnabb | if I want to call 'wall mymessage' from any script, how can I give it an EOF (ctrl-d) so that wall will actually write out? |
| 18:22.09 | sjansen | Have you tried echo "message" | wall ? |
| 18:22.28 | emcnabb | ah, let me try that |
| 18:23.29 | sjansen | Actually, plain old 'wall "howdy"' worked for me too. |
| 18:23.42 | emcnabb | oh |
| 18:23.54 | emcnabb | I wasn't giving it ""'s around the message |
| 18:24.44 | emcnabb | hum |
| 18:26.05 | emcnabb | this is in php so I'm doing `wall "message"` and it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:27.05 | sjansen | Is wall in the path? Is wall disabled for user nobody? |
| 18:27.34 | sjansen | Why are you using backticks when you probably don't care about what's returned? |
| 18:28.08 | emcnabb | that just executes whatever is inside |
| 18:29.02 | emcnabb | ok |
| 18:29.15 | emcnabb | it looks like wall is doesn't work on my laptop at all |
| 18:29.15 | emcnabb | haha |
| 18:29.52 | emcnabb | sjansen, thanks |
| 18:42.02 | cyburdine | thanks for the posting... sorry I didn't respond earlier... |
| 18:42.17 | cyburdine | got pulled away from my desk |
| 18:45.02 | cyburdine | Hanuman: yeah, I figure I am going to have to pay my own moving costs... not that big of a deal... |
| 18:45.42 | Hanuman | cool - in a couple months I imagine you may start to see more businesses willing to relocate (I am optimistically forcasting, at least) |
| 18:46.41 | Hanuman | When I was laid off from my last job I was in the same predicament - plenty of jobs elsewhere, but none were willing to pay for my relocation |
| 18:47.47 | Hanuman | (in stock) |
| 18:49.24 | Hanuman | or should I risk it all and buy SCO? |
| 18:52.35 | cyburdine | Hanuman: yup, I actually have a great job... just wanting to move back west. Stick with redhat... ;) |
| 18:52.59 | sjansen | Hanuman: Buy SCO, they own the process whereby investors can purchase "stock" in a company. When they are done destroying linux, capitalism is their next target. |
| 18:52.59 | emcnabb | http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031105/law042a_1.html |
| 18:53.17 | Hanuman | cyberdine: That was my preference, too - glad someone agrees with me |
| 18:53.20 | cyburdine | HA! true... |
| 18:53.42 | Hanuman | sjansen: uh oh - I better be careful then in even trying another trade |
| 18:54.08 | Hanuman | I'll just let my money sit until SCO figures that one out |
| 18:54.46 | Hanuman | ibot: you here? |
| 18:54.48 | | Hanuman: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:55.06 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:55.07 | Hanuman | just checking - didn't see any remarks against SCO |
| 18:55.31 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:55.47 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:56.30 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:56.48 | Hanuman | ~lart ibot |
| 19:14.43 | hans | Hanuman: that's because my scolart script isn't loaded. irssi started dumping core (apparently I upgraded it and it broke. ces la vie with unstable) |
| 19:18.09 | Hanuman | ~lart hans's unstable irssi |
| 19:18.22 | sjansen | hans: Viva Debian! Guarenteed to cause more frustration and eat more time than even Gentoo. |
| 19:18.53 | sjansen | Unless, of course, you're happy running software from the dawning of the Linux kernel. |
| 19:19.53 | hans | sjansen: did I mention I run *unstable*, not *testing* (which is generally free of issues) or *stable* which is from the dawn of time (er, from a year and half ago) |
| 19:21.04 | hans | all these source distros are generally more bleeding-edge than debian, not to mention redhat and mandrake have released software that is much more cutting edge than debian stable in almost all cases. No, I'll blame the irssi author(s) instead. |
| 19:21.30 | hans | or maybe I'll blame me because it's probably an api change in their perl scripting and I didn't bother to RTFM when I blindly updated. :) |
| 19:22.07 | sjansen | Blame Debian! Blame Debian! |
| 19:30.13 | hans | ~debian? |
| 19:30.19 | | methinks debian is a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese, or one of the few respectable distros |
| 19:30.29 | hans | ~mandrake? |
| 19:30.32 | | somebody said mandrake was the best linux distro or the worst linux distro, or a plant that screams when you rip it out of the ground and kills you for removing it, or that guy who used to work for VA that is also doing that voice synth stuff |
| 19:30.32 | hans | ~redhat? |
| 19:30.36 | | it has been said that redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy |
| 19:30.45 | hans | ibot has spoken |
| 19:30.46 | | hans: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:31.13 | hans | lol. yes, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion if I had. |
| 19:33.16 | sjansen | ~suse? |
| 19:33.18 | | suse is probably A german based distro, fantastic for desktops, but Yast is !GPL :o( |
| 19:33.28 | sjansen | ~novell? |
| 19:33.49 | sjansen | ~lycoris? |
| 19:34.03 | sjansen | ~conectiva? |
| 19:34.15 | Hanuman | ~SCO? |
| 19:34.17 | | somebody said sco was the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist |
| 19:34.19 | sjansen | hans: Looks like ibot ain't all that informed. |
| 19:34.42 | Hanuman | ~lart Debian |
| 19:34.51 | Hanuman | ~lart Debian |
| 19:34.58 | Hanuman | ~lart Debian |
| 19:35.23 | Hanuman | for (my $i=0; $i<100; $i++) { |
| 19:35.27 | Hanuman | ~lart Debian |
| 19:35.31 | Hanuman | } |
| 19:36.12 | sjansen | ~lart hans & mhalcrow |
| 19:42.10 | hans | ~mhalcrow? |
| 19:42.51 | hans | ibot, mhalcrow is Utah's own incarnation of RMS, living in Texas |
| 19:42.53 | | okay, hans |
| 19:43.00 | hans | mhalcrow? |
| 19:43.18 | hans | what is mhalcrow? |
| 19:43.21 | hans | ~mhalcrow? |
| 19:43.23 | | i heard mhalcrow is Utah's own incarnation of RMS, living in Texas |
| 19:45.05 | sjansen | ibot, sjansen is one guy who really knows where his towel is |
| 19:45.10 | | ...but sjansen is already something else... |
| 19:45.19 | sjansen | ~sjansen? |
| 19:45.22 | | somebody said sjansen was cool but misguided in his love for redhat |
| 19:51.47 | hans | sjansen is also the C master |
| 19:52.07 | sjansen | ~sjansen? |
| 19:52.09 | | from memory, sjansen is one guy who really knows where his towel is |
| 19:52.18 | sjansen | Ha! |
| 19:52.53 | sjansen | ibot is a slow learner |
| 19:52.54 | | sjansen: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:53.08 | sjansen | ibot, ibot is a slow learner |
| 19:53.10 | | cannot alter locked factoids, sjansen |
| 19:53.10 | | sjansen: i haven't a clue |
| 19:54.33 | hans | ibot, where is sjansen's towel? |
| 19:54.34 | | I think you lost me on that one, hans |
| 20:03.41 | hans | ~slashdot |
| 20:03.56 | hans | not many favorable reviews of revolutions, I hear. |
| 20:04.32 | Hanuman | ibot, redhat is by far the best distro out there, far better than debian. |
| 20:04.33 | | ...but redhat is already something else... |
| 20:04.41 | Hanuman | ~redhat |
| 20:04.42 | | somebody said redhat was a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy |
| 20:04.54 | Hanuman | ~redhat? |
| 20:04.55 | | i guess redhat is a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy |
| 20:05.11 | Hanuman | ~redhat? |
| 20:05.14 | | redhat is, like, a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy |
| 20:05.27 | Hanuman | it worked with sjansen - why not redhat? |
| 20:05.30 | tensai | ibot redhat is also overrated |
| 20:05.33 | | okay, tensai |
| 20:05.41 | tensai | ~redhat |
| 20:05.42 | | redhat is, like, a linux distribution (http://www.redhat.com/) or one of the "primer" versions of linux till you learn enough to use debian. or sucks or a waste of money or a waste of time or messy, or overrated |
| 20:06.21 | tensai | Hanuman: I bet ibot runs on debian ;) |
| 20:06.52 | hans | ibot, fedora is what Indiana Jones wears |
| 20:06.53 | | hans: okay |
| 20:08.16 | Hanuman | ibot, fedora is not what Indiana Jones wears - it is a far supreme distro to Debian |
| 20:08.18 | | ...but fedora is already something else... |
| 20:08.23 | Hanuman | ibot, fedora is not what Indiana Jones wears - it is a far supreme distro to Debian |
| 20:08.25 | | ...but fedora is already something else... |
| 20:08.34 | hans | ~hanuman? |
| 20:09.01 | hans | someone needs to teach ibot not to accept subjective statements. :) |
| 20:10.25 | Hanuman | tensai: I think ibot runs on Hans |
| 20:11.13 | synic_ | Hanuman, you running fedora then? |
| 20:11.16 | tensai | Hanuman: which is just a Debian based distro consisting entirely of Vim scripts |
| 20:11.34 | Hanuman | synic_: no - just RedHat, but as soon as 1.0 comes out I probably will run Fedora |
| 20:11.54 | synic_ | Hanuman, why not now? |
| 20:12.21 | Hanuman | synic_: I tried it and ran into a couple problems - the install wasn't specific enough, and a couple other things |
| 20:12.43 | Hanuman | I like to choose my individual packages ahead of time and couldn't figure out how to do it with the install |
| 20:12.48 | hans | Hanuman: not true. ibot is TimRiker's |
| 20:12.58 | hans | and yes, it does run on Debian |
| 20:13.05 | hans | ~ibot? |
| 20:13.07 | | from memory, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 20:13.11 | Hanuman | hans: I thought it ran on irssi? |
| 20:13.37 | Hanuman | cool |
| 20:13.38 | hans | my script to tell ibot to lart SCO is an irssi script |
| 20:14.20 | Hanuman | ohhh...okay - I get it now |
| 20:21.02 | sjansen | redhat? |
| 20:21.10 | sjansen | ~redhat? |
| 20:21.11 | | from memory, redhat is a high quality, popular linux distribution. It has now been split into two distinct parts, with fedora being the new name of free version. what people switch to after they get tired of fighting debian |
| 20:21.14 | sjansen | ~fedora? |
| 20:21.15 | | rumour has it, fedora is what Indiana Jones wears, or a superior linux distribution to debian |
| 20:21.40 | sjansen | Hanuman: It's all about talking to ibot nicely. ;-) |
| 20:22.18 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:24.07 | Hanuman | ~sjansen? |
| 20:24.08 | | [sjansen] one guy who really knows where his towel is |
| 20:24.35 | sjansen | ~emcnabb? |
| 20:24.36 | | from memory, emcnabb is hooked on bzflag, or a lart happy jerk |
| 20:26.28 | hans | who is emcnabb? |
| 20:27.00 | hans | ibot is not nearly so useful now that you have to talk to him directly to get anything out of him. |
| 20:27.02 | | You are moron #1, hans |
| 20:28.32 | hans | oooh, moron #1. alright! |
| 20:28.37 | hans | i've worked hard to get here |
| 20:33.00 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:34.36 | sjansen | Hah! Jokes on you, my Zaurus has been dead for eons. |
| 20:37.10 | bonez39 | how do I find a file on my system? I just ran apt-get and downloaded it...can't find it..tried 'locate filename' but it just returns a prompt... |
| 20:38.35 | levi | sjansen: How did your Zaurus die? |
| 20:39.14 | hans | bonez39: locate uses a database that builds every night, so tomorrow locate will work |
| 20:39.36 | hans | today, try dpkg -L packagename |
| 20:40.10 | Hanuman | news |
| 20:40.17 | Hanuman | ~news |
| 20:40.25 | sjansen | levi: Dont' know. Shortly after the warranty expired, it would go to sleep and not wake up. |
| 20:40.36 | Hanuman | ibot: news |
| 20:40.46 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 20:41.01 | Hanuman | ~news read all |
| 20:41.03 | sjansen | Hanuman: Was that what you wanted? |
| 20:41.17 | Hanuman | just a sec - I'll have it - I'm learning |
| 20:41.28 | Hanuman | news read redhat |
| 20:41.33 | Hanuman | ~news read redhat |
| 20:41.38 | Hanuman | doh |
| 20:41.54 | Hanuman | ~news read Redhat |
| 20:41.55 | bonez39 | hans: I ran updatedb to update it...will it still take until tomorrow to find what's there? |
| 20:42.01 | Hanuman | dang it~ |
| 20:42.08 | Hanuman | ~news read 1 |
| 20:42.30 | hans | bonez39: if you ran updatedb it should find it now |
| 20:42.54 | Hanuman | I want to show all news items - is there a way w/o specifying the number? |
| 20:43.27 | Hanuman | ibot: news |
| 20:43.42 | Hanuman | guess I can only have ibot tell me privately |
| 20:47.01 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:47.48 | Hanuman | ~nickometer hans |
| 20:47.48 | | 'hans' is 0.000% lame, hanuman |
| 20:47.57 | Hanuman | ~nickometer Hanuman |
| 20:47.57 | | 'Hanuman' is 0.000% lame, hanuman |
| 20:48.08 | Hanuman | how do you increase someone's nickometer? |
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| 20:48.49 | emcnabb | ~lart byronc |
| 20:48.51 | emcnabb | ~lart byron |
| 20:49.48 | Hanuman | Man - it won't let me lock my nick! |
| 20:50.16 | Hanuman | ibot: why? |
| 20:50.19 | | bugger all, i dunno, Hanuman |
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| 20:55.10 | tensai | Hanuman++ |
| 20:55.35 | tensai | hmm. I thought that's how you increased it. |
| 20:57.22 | hans | ~tensai++ |
| 20:57.37 | hans | ~nickometer tensei |
| 20:57.37 | | 'tensei' is 0.000% lame, hans |
| 20:59.18 | Beandog | nickometer? |
| 20:59.19 | Beandog | heh |
| 20:59.37 | tensai | ~nickometer #debian |
| 20:59.46 | tensai | ~nickometer #utah |
| 20:59.46 | | Nickometer list for #utah (3 shown): bonez39 (27%) ;; jalance_, jason_u, synic_ (14%) ;; Beandog, Bradipo, ChanServ, Hanuman, Mecworks, brailsmt, byron, cyburdine, decriptor, emcnabb, hans, ibot, jakea, levi, neybar, sjansen, synic, tensai (0%). |
| 21:00.13 | tensai | some people have obviously been nickometered |
| 21:01.42 | byron | ~nickometer byron |
| 21:01.42 | | 'byron' is 0.000% lame, byron |
| 21:01.43 | Hanuman | hans: that's what I thought, but I haven't been able to get it to increase anyone's nickometer rating at all |
| 21:02.01 | Hanuman | ~nickometer hans-- |
| 21:02.01 | | 'hans--' is 38.000% lame, hanuman |
| 21:02.19 | emcnabb | ~nickometer dmcbride |
| 21:02.19 | | 'dmcbride' is 0.000% lame, emcnabb |
| 21:02.34 | tensai | Hanuman: I think it might just calculate how cool the name is |
| 21:02.42 | Hanuman | ~hans-- |
| 21:02.44 | emcnabb | ~lart byron |
| 21:02.50 | Hanuman | nickometer hans |
| 21:02.56 | Hanuman | ~nickometer hans |
| 21:02.56 | | 'hans' is 0.000% lame, hanuman |
| 21:03.15 | Hanuman | hmm... |
| 21:03.30 | hax0r | ~nickometer hacx0r |
| 21:03.30 | | 'hacx0r' is 99.770% lame, hax0r |
| 21:03.59 | h4x0r | ~nickometer h4x0r |
| 21:03.59 | | 'h4x0r' is 99.860% lame, h4x0r |
| 21:04.40 | Hanuman | ~nickometer Hanuman |
| 21:04.40 | | 'Hanuman' is 0.000% lame, hanuman |
| 21:04.53 | levi | ~nickometer ---- |
| 21:04.53 | | '----' is 99.850% lame, levi |
| 21:05.12 | levi | ~nickometer !@$!@--_ |
| 21:05.12 | | '!@$!@--_' is 99.9835% lame, levi |
| 21:05.48 | levi | ~nickometer !@#$%^&*()_+=- |
| 21:05.48 | | '!@#$%^&*()_+=-' is 99.9933% lame, levi |
| 21:06.03 | levi | That's a pretty lame nick all right. |
| 21:06.34 | hax0r | ~nickometer !@&$*#)))@*#$&@(%(__?{::<> |
| 21:06.34 | | '!@&$*#)))@*#$&@(%(__?{::<>' is 99.9962% lame, hax0r |
| 21:06.47 | hax0r | I win |
| 21:07.03 | levi | ~nickometer Thisisareallylongnickandiwonderhowitwillberated |
| 21:07.03 | | 'Thisisareallylongnickandiwonderhowitwillberated' is 0.000% lame, levi |
| 21:07.43 | levi | ~nickometer !@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&#%&%*%&%$&$%&#%&#$%&&%$&&":$%}{{[]'';47---==-- |
| 21:07.43 | | '!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&#%&%*%&%$&$%&#%&#$%&&%$&&":$%}{{[]'';47---==--' is 99.9981% lame, levi |
| 21:08.45 | Hanuman | ~rot13 "!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&#%&%*%&%$&$%&#%&#$%&&%$&&":$%}{{[]'';47---==-- |
| 21:08.45 | | "!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&#%&%*%&%$&$%&#%&#$%&&%$&&":$%}{{[]'';47---==-- |
| 21:08.48 | Hanuman | 16:11 <@ibot> '!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&#%&%*%&%$&$%&#%&#$%&&%$&&":$%}{{[]'';47---==--" |
| 21:09.17 | Hanuman | ~rot13 "!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&" |
| 21:09.17 | | "!@#$%^&&**()_%^&$^($^&*#%^&#$%*@$%^@%*^&(%$457(^%^#$^#$%&#$%&**#%&%$&#%*$%&*%$&" |
| 21:09.45 | Hanuman | ~rot13 Thisisareallylongnickandiwonderhowitwillberated |
| 21:09.45 | | Guvfvfnernyylybatavpxnaqvjbaqreubjvgjvyyorengrq |
| 21:09.49 | levi | ~rot13 ibotsux |
| 21:09.49 | | vobgfhk |
| 21:09.50 | ibot_ | lame |
| 21:10.18 | levi | ~nickometer ibot_ |
| 21:10.18 | | 'ibot_' is 14.000% lame, levi |
| 21:10.35 | Hanuman | ibot, who is ibot_? |
| 21:10.37 | | Hanuman: what are you talking about? |
| 21:10.53 | Hanuman | oh - just saw above |
| 21:10.58 | byron | ibot_ is the venerable emcnabb |
| 21:11.53 | byron | help, help, I'm being repressed |
| 21:12.38 | sjansen | ibot_? |
| 21:12.48 | sjansen | ~ibot_? |
| 21:12.51 | | i heard ibot_ is an impostor. He is actually hardcore poser Evan McNabb. A sad little man in need of a little time out. |
| 21:13.53 | Hanuman | ~ibot_ - tell me who you really are... |
| 21:14.08 | Hanuman | doh - needs a question mark I guess |
| 21:14.25 | Hanuman | ~ibot_? Tell me who you really are... |
| 21:14.31 | Hanuman | ~ibot_? |
| 21:14.33 | | it has been said that ibot_ is an impostor. He is actually hardcore poser Evan McNabb. A sad little man in need of a little time out. |
| 21:15.46 | levi | sjansen: But apparently this other Stuart Jansen is... |
| 21:16.43 | hans | you can tell the semester is about half over |
| 21:16.47 | Hanuman | we should all pose as some form of ibot and freak out the next people that enter this channel |
| 21:17.18 | levi | sjansen: He must be your evil doppelganger. |
| 21:17.47 | ibot_ | wait until Jayce shows up |
| 21:19.34 | ibot\ | *10 back to ibot_ |
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| 21:21.38 | ibot\ | ibot\ welcomes synic |
| 21:24.54 | sjansen | What a happy little war. ibot\ is green, ibot_ is yellow. Verde e Amarelo, viva Brasil! |
| 21:28.21 | ibot_ | \ |
| 21:29.22 | sjansen | ~ibot_? |
| 21:29.24 | | ibot_ is, like, an impostor. He is actually hardcore poser Evan McNabb. A sad little man in need of a little time out. a lazy slacker |
| 21:29.42 | ibot_ | ~ibot^? |
| 21:29.58 | ibot_ | ~ibot\? |
| 21:30.05 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:30.17 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:30.27 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:30.33 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:30.35 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:30.38 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:30.40 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:30.44 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:30.45 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:30.50 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:30.52 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:31.05 | ibot_ | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:31.18 | ibot\ | ~lart ibot_ |
| 21:31.23 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.26 | hans | :) |
| 21:36.10 | Hanuman | I think ibot gave up when he didn't have any more ibots to fight with |
| 21:37.26 | Hanuman | how do I find what version of Freebsd is running (I'm asking this for a friend) |
| 21:37.50 | Bradipo | uname ? |
| 21:38.02 | Bradipo | uname -a |
| 21:39.25 | Hanuman | that would make sense |
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| 22:42.48 | hans | ieee 1394 is firewire, right? |
| 22:45.16 | bonez39 | right, Hans |
| 22:46.00 | levi | Yup. |
| 22:47.02 | bonez39 | hans: if I am running 2.4.22 kernel...and I want to compile that same kernel..to allow win4lin to run...windows and such...on my linux box...I have downloaded the kernel-source.2.4.22.tar.bz2 archive to my system..should I untar the archive to a different directory than /usr/src ? that's where the 2.4.22 source files are located now |
| 22:47.42 | bonez39 | hans: ordo I delete the source files..and then let them be recreated in the same place, so that I can then apply the patches.and recompile it? |
| 22:47.52 | hans | bonez39: the best thing to do is add yourself to the src directory |
| 22:48.41 | bonez39 | add myself? |
| 22:49.13 | hans | adduser scott src |
| 22:49.37 | hans | ls -ld /usr/src |
| 22:49.54 | hans | drwxrwsr-x 6 root src 4096 Oct 15 11:10 /usr/src |
| 22:50.19 | hans | then you can compile and do everything as you not root (using fakeroot sometimes is necessary) |
| 22:50.31 | hans | and you only need to be root to install the package |
| 22:50.35 | hans | or you can do all your compilation and stuff as root |
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| 22:56.56 | bonez39 | thanks.. |
| 23:05.19 | bonez39 | hans: I know that before I ran apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 I never had the source files in /usr/src..i.e., it st that all up after I had upgraded a,d entirely separate from the upgrade process.. |
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| 23:16.56 | bonez39 | can I just wipe out the source directory, and then reinstall? |
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| 23:23.45 | byron | Ahh, it looks like all the extra ibots left |
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| 23:32.49 | bonez39 | welcome back |
| 23:43.38 | byron | mighty quiet in here now |
| 23:50.33 | jalance_ | in a regex do you negate a group with ^? ex: /src="(^#TAG#)/ I want to find every src=" except where #TAG# follows it. that regex I just showed isn't working like I would expect |
| 23:55.55 | tensai | convert foo.gif foo.png is so easy |
| 23:56.45 | jalance_ | I figured the regex problem out... |