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| 00:53.18 | hans | Dlugar: xargs would have worked too if you didn't have whitespace in the filenames |
| 00:53.34 | Dlugar | that doesn't help much if I've got whitespace in the filenames :-) |
| 00:53.41 | Dlugar | Any way to get around that with xargs? |
| 00:53.44 | Dlugar | Seems like a bug to me. |
| 00:54.12 | hans | I've been meaning to write a little program that takes on stdin one file per line (or whatever delimiter you choose) and spit out a shell-escaped deal apropriate for xargs and other such deals |
| 00:54.20 | Dlugar | k, here's another question for all you bright minds ... |
| 00:54.37 | Dlugar | This might be enlightenment-specific, I'm not sure, though. |
| 00:54.40 | hans | e.g. File 1\nFile 2\nFile 3 would become "File 1" "File 2" "File 3" |
| 00:55.05 | Dlugar | basically, I can click in a window and type in it (to an extent), |
| 00:55.12 | Dlugar | but the window isn't actually "highlighted", |
| 00:55.18 | Dlugar | and so not every keypress gets sent to that window. |
| 00:55.23 | Dlugar | It's really bizarre and really annoying. |
| 00:56.12 | Dlugar | I just want enlightenment to always select a window when I click on it. |
| 00:59.36 | Dlugar | k, no response on that one. Let me try another one: |
| 00:59.57 | Dlugar | in xmms, what's the command-line parameter which will both enqueue a file /and/ immediately begin playing it? |
| 01:00.29 | Dlugar | xmms -e foobar.mp3 |
| 01:00.30 | Dlugar | will enqueue the file, but it won't start playing it. |
| 01:00.45 | Dlugar | xmms foobar.mp3 |
| 01:00.45 | Dlugar | will play the file, but erase the rest of my playlist. |
| 01:00.48 | Jayce^ | usually I don't put a switch, just xmms filename |
| 01:00.48 | Dlugar | Any suggestions? |
| 01:00.50 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 01:01.16 | Dlugar | I've scoured the man page and --help ... maybe it's just not possible? |
| 01:01.33 | resplin | Have you tried "xmms -e -p foo.mp3"? I haven't, but it's worth a try. |
| 01:01.43 | Dlugar | yeah, that starts playing the playlist from the beginning, |
| 01:01.51 | Dlugar | while -e adds the filename to the end of the playlist. |
| 01:01.56 | Jayce^ | I just never do that I guess.. |
| 01:02.09 | Jayce^ | I throw files in when I want them, then use my magic buttons for control |
| 01:02.16 | hans | Dlugar: having spaces in filenames is the bug. ;-) |
| 01:02.40 | Jayce^ | heh.. like in mp3 files 'eh hans? |
| 01:02.42 | Dlugar | hans: filenames should be able to contain any character and abstract it away from the user. That's my personal opinion anyway ;-) |
| 01:02.45 | hans | exactly. ;) |
| 01:02.49 | Dlugar | in fact, that's what it was--mp3 files. |
| 01:02.50 | Jayce^ | hey, opinion time folks... |
| 01:03.03 | Jayce^ | install debian via knoppix, then remove/add what you want? |
| 01:03.07 | Jayce^ | or just woody cd's? |
| 01:03.27 | hans | Dlugar: they can. but would you rather have a special escape for separating shell tokens? |
| 01:03.34 | hans | man\ find |
| 01:03.42 | Dlugar | jayce: re xmms thing, it would be useful for a gui file-browser when you double-click an mp3 file, for it to do just what I was talking about. |
| 01:03.59 | hans | find\ -name\ \"foobar\"\ -exec\ rm\ {}\ ; |
| 01:04.08 | Dlugar | hans: why isn't \n a good enough token separator for xargs? |
| 01:04.20 | Jayce^ | Dlugar: good idea.. |
| 01:04.39 | Jayce^ | but I usually am grabbing a directory, or group of files/directories and throwing them in |
| 01:04.40 | hans | Dlugar: for the record, you can tell both find and xargs to use a null byte as a token separator |
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| 01:04.46 | hans | that usually does the trick very well |
| 01:04.54 | hans | but is only helpful with find/xargs |
| 01:05.02 | HarleyPig | Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this mysql create? |
| 01:05.11 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.12 | HarleyPig | ) TYPE=MyISAM; |
| 01:05.14 | hans | if you can't get that null byte in there then xargs' being able to do it doesn't help much |
| 01:05.37 | Dlugar | it seems to me that xargs should have a --tokenseparator switch |
| 01:05.45 | Dlugar | where you can specify exactly what you want. |
| 01:05.45 | HarleyPig | I'm getting: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ') TYPE=MyISAM' at line 7 |
| 01:06.07 | Jayce^ | show the last two linex or so of that HarleyPig.. |
| 01:06.28 | Dlugar | http://lists.xmms.org/pipermail/xmms-devel/2003-June/002567.html |
| 01:06.32 | HarleyPig | CREATE TABLE campaign ( |
| 01:06.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.32 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.33 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.35 | HarleyPig | ) TYPE=MyISAM; |
| 01:06.37 | Dlugar | seems other people have thought of this xmms thing before I did. |
| 01:06.59 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: working on the encenta stuff? |
| 01:07.12 | HarleyPig | No, Go1On1 |
| 01:07.31 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: myisam is default, try taking that out, see if the error still happens |
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| 01:08.52 | HarleyPig | Same thing ... including the error message: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ') TYPE=MyISAM' at line 7 |
| 01:09.11 | HarleyPig | Except that the semicolon disappears. |
| 01:09.49 | Jayce^ | get rid of that index line, and try it.. we'll play with that later |
| 01:09.54 | HarleyPig | Nope, nevermind. It was never there. |
| 01:10.03 | Jayce^ | gotta be missing something easy here |
| 01:10.18 | HarleyPig | I know. But I can't figure it out. |
| 01:10.44 | HarleyPig | Is name a keyword? |
| 01:11.16 | Jayce^ | dont' think so |
| 01:11.20 | Jayce^ | required or optional? |
| 01:11.33 | Jayce^ | what's the default root pw for knoppix? |
| 01:11.41 | HarleyPig | null |
| 01:12.38 | HarleyPig | changed name to cname, required to req and optional to opt and getting same error. |
| 01:13.12 | Jayce^ | that's what I tried.. no luck |
| 01:13.51 | Dlugar | does it work without the UNIQUE blah blah stuff? |
| 01:14.34 | Jayce^ | su, just hit enter for the pwd, and it's rejected |
| 01:19.54 | HarleyPig | Thanks ... it was antoher table. i shouldn't have trusted the line number being reported. |
| 01:20.06 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 01:20.06 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: Have you tried knoppix? |
| 01:20.14 | Jayce^ | yeah.. a few times.. |
| 01:20.18 | HarleyPig | I mean for the passwd. |
| 01:20.26 | Jayce^ | that's why I was asking about root, because I've used it with no passwd before |
| 01:20.36 | Jayce^ | so I just used sudo -s and that worked :) |
| 01:20.42 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 01:23.07 | hans | Jayce^: what will Thayne's topic be? |
| 01:25.47 | Jayce^ | hans: it'll be a little varied as far as I know |
| 01:25.47 | Jayce^ | but he'll cover stuff like flashing your bios from within linux, using only linux |
| 01:25.48 | Jayce^ | as well has bad hardware detection |
| 01:26.06 | Jayce^ | and in traditional thayne style, it's going to get deep.. |
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| 01:37.59 | HarleyPig | http://bash.org/?161868 |
| 01:54.12 | HarleyPig | http://bash.org/?164514 |
| 02:05.07 | Jayce^ | now that one is funny |
| 03:16.25 | Hanuman | Jayce^: other than slash, are there any other good mod_perl-based cms systems out there? |
| 03:16.57 | Hanuman | I'm tired of all these php-based ones |
| 03:31.00 | Jayce^ | check out perl.apache.org, they link to a couple, but far from all |
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| 04:05.06 | jason_u | Bricolage is a good mod_perl/Mason based cms... |
| 04:06.16 | jason_u | it is rather sophisticated and uses PostgreSQL as the data store |
| 04:06.55 | jason_u | see www.bricolage.cc |
| 04:08.35 | jason_u | It is also very actively developed |
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| 05:58.21 | tensai | Hanuman: I've heard good things about Bricolage too. Linux Journal has some articles about it. |
| 05:58.27 | tensai | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6934 |
| 06:01.31 | Jayce^ | yeah, bricolage get's a lot of good reviews... there is a chapter on it in the mason book.. |
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| 09:29.10 | bonez39 | hello brails |
| 09:29.23 | bonez39 | a night owl too, eh? |
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| 14:58.36 | Hanuman | bricolage, eh? Never heard of it, but will definitely need to check it out. |
| 15:11.08 | Mecworks | Novell. Hm.. 8^) |
| 15:11.24 | Hanuman | Going German... |
| 15:11.38 | Mecworks | (Again) |
| 15:12.04 | Mecworks | I mean for me.....I used to work at Caldera (before they tunred evil) |
| 15:12.21 | Mecworks | Most of the german engineering department now works for SuSE |
| 15:12.33 | Mecworks | Well, off to work. |
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| 15:21.59 | Hanuman | Jayce^: it seems bricolage mainly focuses on news and articles. Will it handle other media options and other types of plugins? |
| 15:22.07 | Jayce^ | gahh, I can't get the nvidia driver to build on this mandrake box... grr |
| 15:22.11 | Jayce^ | yeah, of course |
| 15:30.40 | Hanuman | I'm helping my old high-school band setup an alumni website, but I don't want to spend too much time on it. Things I'd like to have on it are lists of previous graduating classes, with links to each person in which that person can update what's going on in their life (kinda like classmates.com). Of course, we'd also love an area for band news, maybe a page for donations, etc. Would bricolage allow all of this (of course, being w |
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| 16:40.50 | hans | woah, deja-vu. Did everyone read about novell at the same time or something? |
| 16:42.18 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 16:42.18 | Jayce^ | hey hans, in debian, what's an easy way to remove kde and gnome? |
| 16:43.49 | hans | Jayce^: using aptitude or synaptic |
| 16:44.10 | hans | descend into the kde and/or gnome packages and remove the things they depend on. |
| 16:44.43 | hans | removing kde-core and gnome-core would probably do the trick too although you might have a few stray apps that aren't dependent on that |
| 16:45.03 | hans | if you do it with apt-get be sure to use the -s flag for a dry run |
| 16:45.10 | Jayce^ | I tried aptitude, but I remove one, and a dependency forces it back in |
| 16:45.14 | Jayce^ | -s? |
| 16:46.21 | hans | ok, maybe gnome-core doesn't work |
| 16:46.41 | hans | but manually removing the dependencies that gnome-core has should do it |
| 16:47.37 | hans | note: anything that was installed as a dependency in aptitude will be uninstalled when you no longer have what it depends on installed, by aptitude |
| 16:47.56 | hans | so removing gnome-core would possibly mark a lot of those for deletion, but you will probably have to manually remove some |
| 16:48.12 | hans | and perhaps other things that depend on them (or leave those things and their dependencies installed) |
| 16:48.32 | Bradipo | NOVL's stock went for a ride today... :-) |
| 16:48.37 | hans | in aptitude, it helps to search for ~b (broken packages) before letting it try to fix broken packages. |
| 16:48.51 | Jayce^ | hrmm |
| 16:51.18 | hans | if you're trying to free disk space, you might like to check out debfoster too |
| 16:51.45 | Jayce^ | not quite, just did a knoppix install on a box, now wanted to try the pruning it down to what I need |
| 16:51.53 | hans | it will let you reverse-recursively delete things. it gives you the whole list of packages I think though, so takes a while |
| 16:51.58 | Jayce^ | can't get the debian cd's to boot |
| 16:56.34 | hans | Jayce^: I recommend debfoster then, if you're wanting to clean out the cruft |
| 16:57.40 | Jayce^ | k |
| 17:16.39 | Jayce^ | hans, is there a command to purge all removed, but non purged debs? |
| 17:17.40 | hans | not sure |
| 17:19.04 | Hanuman | Bradipo: yeah - it's hurting my Redhat stock - I don't like it. :-( |
| 17:19.41 | Jayce^ | he.. I dont' know if I've see something with more dupe posts across the utah lists before |
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| 17:23.26 | Bradipo | lol |
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| 17:29.24 | Hanuman | Hey - did you hear about Novell? |
| 17:29.45 | Jayce^ | ahh, back in my nvidia twinview goodness |
| 17:30.15 | neybar | lol |
| 17:45.49 | tensai | Jayce^: dpkg -l |grep ^rc |xargs dpkg --purge |
| 17:46.01 | tensai | but it fails if the package names are too long |
| 17:46.08 | Jayce^ | k |
| 17:47.15 | Jayce^ | get an 'unmatched single quote' / |
| 17:47.19 | hans | heh, found this cool program that will display a log on the root window (transparently) |
| 17:47.24 | hans | but it doesn't go well with xsnow :) |
| 17:50.05 | tensai | oh, duh. dpkg -l |grep ^rc |perl -lane 'print $F[1]' |xargs dpkg --purge |
| 17:51.11 | tensai | (note the replacement of awk with perl) |
| 17:52.30 | Jayce^ | just for me :) |
| 17:53.24 | tensai | I've long wanted to ditch awk but didn't realize perl could do one liners so well |
| 17:53.54 | Jayce^ | yeah, I actually learned my awk after perl, and wondered why people still used it :) |
| 17:54.12 | Jayce^ | actually, it's a very cool tool, but since I'm usually using perl anyways, it's preferable.. |
| 17:59.31 | hans | what is /dev/console all about? |
| 18:03.43 | hans | ~lart Hanuman's stock |
| 18:11.42 | Hanuman | hey - my stock tripled in the last 6 mos. (it's less than $500/worth, but fun to play with nonetheless) |
| 18:12.25 | Hanuman | Redhat was at $5/share in Feb. Yesterday it closed at $15/share |
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| 18:39.18 | neybar | does anyone know how to preserve a requesters ip address when using apache rewrite and proxy modules? I have dual apache processes, a light-weight frontend and a mod_perl enabled backend. I would like to see the requesters IP address in the access logs instead of the ip address of the frontend service |
| 18:39.47 | Jayce^ | yeeah |
| 18:40.10 | Jayce^ | do a dump of the env vars |
| 18:40.25 | Jayce^ | it's something like http_proxied_for or something |
| 18:44.42 | neybar | here are a few of my rewrite rules: I am using the proxy preserve host, but I don't know if it is working |
| 18:44.47 | neybar | RewriteEngine On |
| 18:44.47 | neybar | RewriteLog /usr/local/apache2/logs/rewrite.log |
| 18:44.47 | neybar | ProxyPreserveHost On |
| 18:45.05 | neybar | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} web_bug.gif [OR] |
| 18:45.14 | neybar | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !\.png |
| 18:45.14 | neybar | RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ http://%{HTTP_HOST}:8080/$1 [P] |
| 18:46.17 | Jayce^ | look in a dump of the env vars on your backend.. you should see it |
| 18:47.25 | neybar | remote_url will give me the ip address I want, but how do I make the request from the frontend so that the correct ip is used? |
| 18:51.10 | Jayce^ | used where? |
| 18:51.26 | Jayce^ | because that is the correct behaviour |
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| 18:53.43 | neybar | that is on the apache2 process |
| 19:47.01 | hans | ibot, do the jig |
| 19:47.02 | | no idea, hans |
| 20:03.12 | levi | I highly recommend Radio Paradise to anyone with the bandwidth to listen to streaming audio. |
| 20:07.06 | Hanuman | http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031101-ebomb01.htm |
| 20:07.11 | Hanuman | My uncle invented these |
| 20:07.18 | Hanuman | levi: url? |
| 20:07.42 | Hanuman | well, he was one of the people that invented them |
| 20:07.59 | levi | radioparadise.com |
| 20:36.41 | Bradipo | Can I buy an HPM? |
| 20:36.55 | Bradipo | HPM weapon that is? |
| 20:37.03 | Bradipo | We have a couple dogs next door that bark in the middle of the night. |
| 20:37.18 | hans | Bradipo: for that you need chocolate |
| 20:37.21 | levi | I think a gun would be cheaper. |
| 20:37.29 | Bradipo | Gun is too noisy. |
| 20:37.38 | Bradipo | I want something silent and undetectible. |
| 20:37.53 | Bradipo | I've been considering an ultrasonic sound barrier. |
| 20:37.53 | tensai | poison? |
| 20:38.01 | Bradipo | DOn't want to kill them. |
| 20:38.12 | tensai | just a bit of poison then |
| 20:38.23 | Bradipo | Just annoy their owners by causing the dogs to mysteriously go mad. :-0 |
| 20:38.40 | hans | Bradipo: dog whistle? |
| 20:38.49 | Bradipo | They care audible by humans... |
| 20:38.56 | Bradipo | At least the dog whistle i have is. |
| 20:39.02 | Bradipo | s/care/are/ |
| 20:39.21 | hans | program your computer to emit a high-pitched squeal out of the human hearing range |
| 20:40.25 | tensai | probably need some really nice speakers for that |
| 20:40.49 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 20:41.00 | Bradipo | Yeah, what kind of speakers could handle that? |
| 20:41.05 | Bradipo | I already have a program that will do that... |
| 20:41.17 | tensai | none that I have I'm sure |
| 20:41.24 | Bradipo | Same here. |
| 20:43.20 | Hanuman | chocolate shouldn't kill them - should only make them sick |
| 20:43.33 | tensai | here's a diagram to wire up your own |
| 20:43.34 | tensai | http://www.geocities.com/tomzi.geo/whistle/whistle.htm |
| 20:43.36 | Hanuman | as long as not too much is given |
| 20:44.43 | tensai | says dog whistles are usually 30-50khz. people max out around 22khz |
| 20:45.03 | Hanuman | Bradipo: got a big dish? Then all you need is a really good amplifier and something to send the right signal in their direction. |
| 20:45.32 | Bradipo | lol |
| 20:46.03 | Hanuman | we used to be warned of that when I studied for my Ham radio exams |
| 20:46.18 | Hanuman | rule 1 - never stand too close to a microwave antennae |
| 21:08.03 | brailsmt | Science: Killing Cancer With a Virus |
| 21:08.15 | brailsmt | very promising and insteresting link from slashdot |
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| 22:06.42 | synic | has anyone here done any work with XUL ? |
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| 22:10.55 | tensai | synic: a little but not enough to actually be knowledgable. :( |
| 22:13.03 | synic | I want to use XUL for my interface and C++ as the rest of the program. Can this be done? |
| 22:14.07 | tensai | I think that's what Mozilla does, so it should be possible. |
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| 23:05.57 | neybar | Jayce^: are you staying all day tomorrow at CTS? |
| 23:07.20 | Jayce^ | morning |
| 23:07.31 | Jayce^ | I might stay later if I have too, but I do have to get soem work done |
| 23:07.40 | Jayce^ | we should get lunch for being there |
| 23:07.42 | neybar | wanna carpool? save on parking |
| 23:07.48 | Jayce^ | sounds good |
| 23:08.08 | Jayce^ | I'll be at your house 9:15-:30 ish.. |
| 23:08.14 | neybar | what time are we supposed to show up? the show starts at 10 doesn't it? |
| 23:08.18 | neybar | ok |
| 23:08.21 | Jayce^ | anybody else willing to help at the booth?! |
| 23:08.26 | Jayce^ | especially in the afternoons |
| 23:08.38 | Jayce^ | neybar, ben is there, working at the adic booth, pretty close to us.. |
| 23:08.44 | neybar | cool |
| 23:09.21 | neybar | another possibility is to take traks up, might be about the same amount of money unless you want to park in the hinterlands |
| 23:09.47 | Jayce^ | they have indoor, it's $5 |
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| 23:14.08 | Jayce^ | oink |
| 23:47.45 | HarleyPig | *snuffle* |