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| 00:38.26 | hans | mhalcrow: howdy |
| 00:38.41 | hans | we got streaming working on Andrew's laptop, and evan has gnomemeeting installed on his |
| 00:38.48 | bonez39 | howdy, Hans |
| 00:38.52 | hans | Art's providing a mic (andrew's laptop mic works good too) |
| 00:39.04 | emcnabb | hans, anything else before I take off |
| 00:39.14 | hans | so would you prefer to listen to the stream or via gnomemeeting? |
| 00:39.34 | hans | emcnabb: yeah, i am home teaching at 7 and so if I'm a minute or two late (bec. of game traffic) stall for me |
| 00:41.21 | jakea | oooooo |
| 00:41.30 | jakea | lets see if I can get the stream.... |
| 00:42.48 | mhalcrow | I would prefer Gnomemeeting.... |
| 00:42.55 | mhalcrow | But MPlayer works just as well :-) |
| 00:43.06 | jakea | is it streaming now? |
| 00:43.46 | mhalcrow | My Gnomemeeting is up. Just need an h323: URL. |
| 00:43.58 | hans | jakea: prelude music at http://uug.byu.edu:8000/example1.ogg |
| 00:44.13 | hans | the real stream will be http://uug.byu.edu:8000/uug.ogg |
| 00:44.47 | mhalcrow | Bach? |
| 00:44.56 | hans | faure |
| 00:45.19 | mhalcrow | It certainly sounds better than General Conference sounded... |
| 00:45.33 | hans | :) uug conference |
| 00:45.50 | jakea | okay.... this is as easy as mplayer http://uug.byu.edu:8000/example1.ogg, right? |
| 00:46.01 | hans | jakea: or xmms |
| 00:46.17 | mhalcrow | MPlayer is cooler |
| 00:46.29 | hans | for audio? to each his own. ;-) |
| 00:46.45 | mhalcrow | MPlayer would play smells if you had a smell adapter on your PC... |
| 00:46.47 | hans | alsaplayer with the OSD 'interface' :) |
| 00:47.15 | hans | mhalcrow: i need to look at why, but mplayer sometimes has a bad habit of crashing and leaving my soundcard unusable until reboot |
| 00:47.36 | jakea | der |
| 00:47.42 | rbe | does anyone know how to start xmms on a schedule? I've got the wav writer output plugin going, and want to record UUG mtg while at Pack Mtg. |
| 00:47.44 | jakea | helps to have a right sound driver working |
| 00:48.08 | mhalcrow | mplayer -dumpstream http:... |
| 00:48.14 | hans | rbe: We'll be recording it and archive it. you can download it later |
| 00:48.26 | jakea | this is what I get for ignoring my desktop forever, then having my laptop die |
| 00:48.39 | jakea | not everything is updated on my desktop |
| 00:48.44 | jakea | or set up for that matter |
| 00:48.54 | sjansen | rbe: Sounds like a job for at |
| 00:49.39 | jakea | I don't even have the most updated mplayer installed! |
| 00:50.28 | jakea | you're not going to get your Bear award rbe? |
| 00:51.06 | mhalcrow | Are we doing the Gnomemeeting thing for virtual participants at the meeting? :-) |
| 00:51.26 | jakea | gnomemeeting.... |
| 00:51.41 | sjansen | Guess I don't get to put words in mhalcrow's mouth. |
| 00:52.07 | Bradipo | How well does gnomemeeting work? |
| 00:52.16 | mhalcrow | Very well. |
| 00:52.17 | rbe | naw. Space Derby |
| 00:52.22 | mhalcrow | As long as you set your NAT stuff up right. |
| 00:52.35 | mhalcrow | home teacher's here... afk |
| 00:52.35 | rbe | starting at 7, but prelims are at 6:15 |
| 00:53.47 | hans | mhalcrow: does gnomemeeting let lots of people participate or is it end-to-end? |
| 01:00.13 | sjansen | Stupid alarm clock. Now I know I didn't sleep through it. |
| 01:01.25 | Dlugar | what time is this meeting starting? |
| 01:01.45 | Dlugar | spec. the streaming part? |
| 01:01.55 | Dlugar | I'll see if I can listen and code at the same time ... |
| 01:02.16 | rbe | scheduled start 7:30 |
| 01:02.55 | Dlugar | plus/minus home-teaching blatherings? |
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| 01:59.42 | mhalcrow | Has the party started? |
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| 02:00.48 | Jayce^ | probably already has in boise :) |
| 02:02.00 | sjansen | I'm about to wander over and see what's shaking. |
| 02:02.32 | Jayce^ | ooh.. yet another boise touchdown |
| 02:12.02 | tyce | anyonw know of a free unrar package for debian? |
| 02:12.12 | tyce | the only ones Ive seen are non-free |
| 02:12.38 | hans | tyce: ask me later |
| 02:13.24 | mhalcrow | Hey! |
| 02:13.31 | mhalcrow | Where did the example stream go?? |
| 02:13.33 | mhalcrow | :-( |
| 02:14.39 | Jayce^ | oooh.. slash/osdn is hiring :) |
| 02:20.02 | tyce | ok |
| 02:30.01 | mhalcrow | Are we starting? It's been tantalizingly silent the last 15 minutes... |
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| 02:30.36 | mhalcrow | Hi Evan. |
| 02:30.40 | emcnabb | howdy |
| 02:30.42 | emcnabb | it should be up |
| 02:30.48 | mhalcrow | Getting it... |
| 02:31.12 | mhalcrow | Hi! |
| 02:31.58 | Jayce^ | still, sounds more exciting than the way the game is going |
| 02:32.05 | mhalcrow | Heh |
| 02:32.27 | mhalcrow | Y'all need to get me on Gnomemeeting... |
| 02:32.30 | mhalcrow | Yes. |
| 02:32.37 | mhalcrow | I can hear you. |
| 02:33.12 | mhalcrow | <disconnecting> |
| 02:34.18 | mhalcrow | How to set XMMS buffering? :-) |
| 02:34.24 | Jayce^ | it's in prefs, then configure the ogg plugin |
| 02:34.47 | Jayce^ | it'll be right on the first pane |
| 02:35.17 | mhalcrow | Thanks |
| 02:35.39 | mhalcrow | How many do we have? |
| 02:36.12 | mhalcrow | Is this channel on the projector? |
| 02:36.18 | Jayce^ | should be :) |
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| 02:37.45 | emcnabb | mhalcrow, gnomemeeting is crashing on evan's box |
| 02:37.56 | Jayce^ | lame |
| 02:38.02 | sjansen | mhalcrow: Can you hear? |
| 02:38.21 | Jayce^ | like that matters |
| 02:38.42 | Jayce^ | now let's get this on the projector so I can type things from the "heather pluggers" :) |
| 02:39.18 | sjansen | Halcrow is on the screen. |
| 02:39.26 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 02:39.28 | sjansen | Oh, now you're all up. |
| 02:39.43 | Hanuman | so has the meeting started yet? |
| 02:39.52 | sjansen | Too late Jayce^. I could ask to winner to give it to you. |
| 02:39.57 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 02:40.07 | sjansen | Hanuman: We're holding binary grab bag. |
| 02:40.20 | Hanuman | cool - me too! |
| 02:40.30 | Jayce^ | too late, they already shut us out :) |
| 02:40.52 | Jayce^ | don't forget the interaction with people not in the room :) |
| 02:40.54 | Jayce^ | thanks hans |
| 02:40.59 | Hanuman | Jayce^: thinkgeek is hiring, too |
| 02:41.09 | Jayce^ | yeah, but va locals only |
| 02:41.20 | Hanuman | is there a problem with that? |
| 02:41.21 | sjansen | What's your name and distro? |
| 02:41.22 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 02:41.49 | Jayce^ | Jayce^, Mandrake, SourceMage, some debian.. RH when I have too :) |
| 02:42.02 | mhalcrow | I'm Mike. I work for the IBM Linux Technology Center. I use Suse by force, and Debian by choice (please don't quote me on that). |
| 02:42.44 | Jayce^ | yay.. we're special |
| 02:45.38 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 02:45.47 | sjansen | Don't let it go to your head. |
| 02:46.21 | sjansen | Ugh, skirting to close to suit speak for me. |
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| 02:48.25 | mhalcrow | Grrrrr |
| 02:51.29 | Jayce^ | yeah, like hans cares about audio |
| 02:51.32 | Jayce^ | : |
| 02:51.34 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 02:53.36 | mhalcrow | I tried to warn you... |
| 02:54.00 | mhalcrow | halcrow.us/filmwatch |
| 02:55.17 | mhalcrow | No big loss |
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| 02:59.06 | mhalcrow | Involvement in Open Source projects works very much to your advantage when applying to IBM. |
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| 03:00.55 | uugDave | Ping? |
| 03:01.04 | mhalcrow | Pong. |
| 03:01.11 | uugDave | Excellent, Smithers. |
| 03:01.14 | uugDave | I mean Halcrow. |
| 03:01.41 | mhalcrow | Professors should encourage students to GPL their projects from the get-go. |
| 03:01.49 | uugDave | Let's all pound Utah! |
| 03:02.07 | Jayce^ | heck yeah |
| 03:02.25 | Jayce^ | wow, byu now has 4 points, both scores thanks to the BSU snapper |
| 03:02.26 | Jayce^ | we can |
| 03:03.07 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS! |
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| 03:05.29 | mhalcrow | Some of the most effective research stands on the shoulders of giants. Making a significant extension to an already great (GPL'd) project is a great way to go. |
| 03:08.28 | mhalcrow | Free Software fosters community involvement. It is difficult make significant contributions to the academic community without this interaction. |
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| 03:11.27 | Jayce^ | nah, free software is all about everybody reinventing the wheel :) |
| 03:11.45 | Jayce^ | :D |
| 03:11.51 | Jayce^ | exactly! |
| 03:11.59 | Jayce^ | editors, templating kits |
| 03:12.41 | mhalcrow | Not if I can help it. |
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| 03:13.43 | mhalcrow | Linux Standard Base is evidence of repentance |
| 03:14.30 | mhalcrow | And BSD... |
| 03:14.41 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 03:14.57 | mhalcrow | Buy IBM: Get a G5! |
| 03:15.10 | naugrim | Well, PPC970 but it's all the same |
| 03:15.59 | mhalcrow | Students need to take enough pride in what they do and go through the extra effort to clean up their code and release it under the GPL. |
| 03:16.35 | mhalcrow | Geneology |
| 03:18.27 | sshock | P2P Geneology |
| 03:18.50 | mhalcrow | MythTV |
| 03:19.04 | mhalcrow | The idea is to integrate it with other projects, like MythTV. |
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| 03:23.35 | mhalcrow | Dr. Alan K. Melby in the linguistics dept. is someone to involve in EDL-type stuff. |
| 03:24.06 | mhalcrow | He wants to extend EDL to perform general-purpose media integration for language learning, along with skipping/muting/etc. |
| 03:24.51 | mhalcrow | It would be nice if someone there at BYU picked up on it and worked with him... |
| 03:25.52 | Jayce^ | woohoo... BYU finally scored |
| 03:27.29 | Hanuman_ | man - I forgot about the BYU game |
| 03:27.50 | mhalcrow | Project idea: Modify BitTorrent to handle General Conference broadcasts (distributed streaming content). |
| 03:28.09 | Jayce^ | 28-12, they just got the conversion |
| 03:28.11 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 03:28.33 | Jayce^ | mhalcrow, how though? stream vs a fixed file content? |
| 03:28.57 | Hanuman_ | cool - I can watch this one |
| 03:30.15 | mhalcrow | Strong direction. Strict and dedicated maintainers. |
| 03:30.37 | mhalcrow | People who hold high standards to patches and help steer contributors to the direction of the project. |
| 03:30.54 | Hanuman | dang it! |
| 03:32.32 | Hanuman | double dang it |
| 03:33.24 | Hanuman | well, at least the Rockets are winning |
| 03:38.37 | Hanuman | so, are there talks there yet of BYU replacing Crowton? |
| 03:39.53 | sjansen | Talk. Stupid, impatient idea. |
| 03:40.14 | Hanuman | I agree - just curious if anyone was talking about it. |
| 03:40.56 | Jayce^ | just espn newscasters :) |
| 03:41.05 | Jayce^ | but they say that for anyone who isn't 500 - 0 |
| 03:41.36 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 03:41.51 | Hanuman | what's with the qb changes tonight? |
| 03:41.59 | Hanuman | were there injuries? |
| 03:42.14 | mhalcrow | LDSDPS! |
| 03:42.24 | mhalcrow | It's a useable, working program at this point... |
| 03:42.43 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, besides suckage, yes.. |
| 03:42.49 | Jayce^ | 2nd string is out 4-6 |
| 03:43.42 | Jayce^ | so have those students work with that project on ldsoss! |
| 03:44.24 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: cool - I'll have to check it out |
| 03:46.11 | mhalcrow | :-/ |
| 03:46.26 | mhalcrow | :-/ |
| 03:46.39 | mhalcrow | ... |
| 03:46.42 | mhalcrow | Can't type that fast.. |
| 03:46.57 | mhalcrow | Good |
| 03:47.38 | mhalcrow | The key is incentive. If the BYU CS dept. can find ways to provide incentive to students to participate, then we are sure to see higher productivity out of the student body. |
| 03:47.59 | mhalcrow | This can include covering Open Source software development methods in some of the classes |
| 03:48.23 | mhalcrow | And providing clear opportunities for the students to get involved in good projects. |
| 03:48.30 | Jayce^ | hey evan, remember to mention the next Plug meeting! :) |
| 03:48.56 | mhalcrow | I never took it ;-) |
| 03:49.11 | mhalcrow | That's a great idea. |
| 03:49.19 | Jayce^ | go through a peer review process on your code |
| 03:49.22 | mhalcrow | One lecture can include an overview. |
| 03:49.26 | rbe | :) Looks like my mplayer recording started on time. I'll have to listen a bit later. |
| 03:49.31 | mhalcrow | Look at Sourceforge, the patch process, etc. |
| 03:49.33 | rbe | (of the meeting) |
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| 03:50.07 | mhalcrow | Help initiate the students into the culture of Open Source software development. |
| 03:50.35 | Jayce^ | like I said, do a peer review, and show why it's helpful |
| 03:50.57 | mhalcrow | When you're reputation's on the line, you tend to write better code. |
| 03:51.01 | Jayce^ | hey evan, way to restate what I said :) |
| 03:52.01 | mhalcrow | ... and keeping it under GPL ... |
| 03:52.28 | Newsome | Isn't the GPL unconstitutional? |
| 03:52.33 | Hanuman | I would love to use LDSOSS in doing some of that down the road. Before we work on promotional ideas I want to get our website completely functional so we don't look like a bunch of wannabes |
| 03:53.15 | mhalcrow | MPlayer will roast some of the kids alive if they're not smart about things... |
| 03:55.22 | mhalcrow | I've had the MPlayer guys reject a patch I made, citing the reason as, ``It is too complicated.'' There is a delicate balance to strike with many projects. |
| 03:56.46 | mhalcrow | One of the best full-time guys here at the LTC have a 30% accept rate on the kernel list. |
| 03:56.54 | mhalcrow | has |
| 03:57.57 | Newsome | was he submitting 70% SCO code? :) |
| 04:00.11 | Mecworks | is it just me or has the population here on #utah trippled in the last week... |
| 04:00.14 | mhalcrow | Thanks all! It's been fun... |
| 04:00.30 | Jayce^ | it's just you Mecworks |
| 04:00.34 | Jayce^ | they hear you were here.. |
| 04:00.35 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 04:01.02 | Jayce^ | Mecworks, a few here are just part of the uug meeting tonight |
| 04:01.16 | Mecworks | ic |
| 04:01.22 | Jayce^ | http://uug.byu.edu:8000/uug.ogg if you want |
| 04:01.34 | sjansen | G'night. |
| 04:01.37 | Mecworks | what, not at the Y game? |
| 04:01.43 | Jayce^ | sjansen, mention the plug meeting |
| 04:01.46 | Jayce^ | :) |
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| 04:01.48 | sjansen | When is the plug meeting? |
| 04:01.54 | Jayce^ | advanced spamassassin |
| 04:02.08 | Jayce^ | the 12th |
| 04:02.10 | Jayce^ | 7:30 |
| 04:02.16 | sjansen | who's teaching? |
| 04:02.21 | Jayce^ | doran barton (fozz) |
| 04:02.40 | Jayce^ | stuff like user prefs in the db, with a web interface |
| 04:02.52 | Jayce^ | : |
| 04:02.53 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 04:03.00 | emcnabb | thanks |
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| 04:04.58 | lostriebo | exit |
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| 04:09.57 | Mecworks | bummer. xmms crashes when I supply an ogg URL. |
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| 04:39.40 | Hanuman | you guys seeing the aurora at all up there? |
| 04:40.33 | Jayce^ | no |
| 04:40.38 | Jayce^ | you? |
| 04:42.15 | Hanuman | I'm not, but they showed it on the news, so evidently some are over here |
| 04:42.38 | Hanuman | There are alot of lights around our place, though |
| 04:42.41 | Bradipo | Sure wish I could see it. |
| 04:42.50 | Bradipo | All I see are the lights of SLC bouncing off the clouds. |
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| 04:43.01 | Hanuman | Me too - I'd love to take some pretty pictures of it |
| 04:44.04 | Jayce^ | I"m out in the sticks, but I can't see it |
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| 04:55.14 | hans | that was fun. props to the peanut gallery (that's yall) |
| 04:55.37 | hans | We'll post the captured stream and probably a transcript of irc here. |
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| 14:23.48 | Hanuman | Goooood Morning! |
| 14:46.16 | bonez39 | Good morning to you too... |
| 15:01.37 | Hanuman | Happy Halloween - I'm dressed up as a geek |
| 15:25.05 | Jayce^ | wow, me too |
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| 16:04.41 | Hanuman | so what did Michael talk about last night at the UUG mtg? |
| 16:23.13 | hans | Jayce^: I think that would be best too, if we can get people to do it. |
| 16:23.33 | hans | I like the idea of a regularly posted FAQ that covers issues that everyone needs to know without starting a new flame war |
| 16:23.39 | Bradipo | What about? |
| 16:24.04 | Jayce^ | ~slashdot |
| 16:24.35 | Jayce^ | the second one... now distributing gpl apps under a different license, that denies the gpl (very short summary) |
| 16:24.49 | neybar | can you do that? |
| 16:25.04 | Jayce^ | basically, waives the gpl and says that it's wrong.. |
| 16:25.06 | Jayce^ | nope. |
| 16:25.58 | neybar | seems to me that you can't do that until a court of law invalidates the GPL, you can't just arbitrarily say that some license agreement is invalid and relicense it. |
| 16:26.17 | hans | wow |
| 16:26.52 | Jayce^ | sorry Bradipo, looks like we got another anti-sco discussion started :D |
| 16:26.55 | Jayce^ | nothing personal |
| 16:27.20 | Bradipo | I'll just sit back and watch. |
| 16:27.24 | Bradipo | Not sure what I can contribute. :-) |
| 16:27.47 | Jayce^ | just ask your bosses that one question, from our perspective :D |
| 16:27.55 | Jayce^ | ooh, more snow.... *poing* |
| 16:27.57 | Bradipo | Gotta remember though that IBM brought the GPL into this affair, not SCO. |
| 16:28.09 | Bradipo | They are the ones that said they are hiding behind it. |
| 16:28.32 | Bradipo | So, if they win, then good for the GPL, but if they lose, so does the GPL. |
| 16:28.54 | Bradipo | I think they just made GPL their scapegoat. |
| 16:29.53 | Jayce^ | I think sco has had the gpl plan for a long time... it could only be expected to be brought out based on sco's actions.. |
| 16:30.01 | Jayce^ | not seeing that coming would be dumb |
| 16:30.05 | Bradipo | Possibly---a good conspiracy theory. |
| 16:30.12 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 16:30.14 | Jayce^ | not really conspiracy. |
| 16:30.45 | Bradipo | I mean, who is the biggest, number one holder of patents and copyrights? |
| 16:30.46 | Jayce^ | but when you get down to accusing the legality of the linux distribution and development, it's all about the gpl |
| 16:30.56 | Bradipo | And who has made plenty of money from said IP issues? |
| 16:31.05 | Bradipo | THis is true. |
| 16:31.19 | Jayce^ | there is no doubt about the patent stuff.. |
| 16:31.26 | Bradipo | Do you think IBM is just open arms ready to start giving away their patents and IP? |
| 16:31.36 | Jayce^ | heck, we all know about ibm's relationship in this. |
| 16:31.37 | Bradipo | That has brought them a steady stream of income. |
| 16:31.59 | Bradipo | Do we? |
| 16:32.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, they are a fair-weather friend.. as long as it's helpful to them, they are our friend.. |
| 16:32.22 | Jayce^ | right now, they are helping |
| 16:36.49 | hans | if the gpl is invalid, standard copyright law applies and SCO is in violation (regardless of whether IBM broke contract - unless they can claim 100% of the linux code!) |
| 16:37.18 | hans | if they are found guiltless then copyright law takes a serious hit and we all go back to the napster heyday |
| 16:37.24 | hans | (ok, that's an extreme example) |
| 16:37.52 | hans | gpl held up - good thing. I see sco has painted themselves into a corner and if they manage to get out it has some interesting consequences. |
| 16:39.11 | Jayce^ | I don't see how they can... either GPL is valid, and they are breaking it, or it isn't, and they are distributing private works without licenses.. |
| 16:39.42 | Jayce^ | and by their description, there is no way to provide a license |
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| 16:45.24 | Hanuman | I don't get what the topic of the UUG meeting was, and what was Mike doing there? |
| 16:45.33 | Hanuman | (last night) |
| 16:45.44 | Hanuman | I was too busy to listen to the stream |
| 16:46.17 | ryane | It was about "Why BYU isn't among the large list of Contributing Institutions in Open Source Software-Land", and what we can do to help. |
| 16:46.29 | ryane | but I'm listening to the stream right now, and haven't gotten that far. |
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| 16:57.16 | Hanuman | I should have listened then - I never realized that's what it was about |
| 16:57.56 | Hanuman | I would loved to have been there with Mike promoting LDSOSS |
| 16:58.12 | Hanuman | Dallan would have also been a good person to have there |
| 17:07.04 | hans | yeah, my bad for not having invited Dallan |
| 17:08.34 | hans | as soon as andrew mcnabb sends me the ogg stream we'll post it and you can listen to it Hanuman. you can even read the irc transcript as you listen. |
| 17:10.29 | Hanuman | ryane just gave it to me - thanks |
| 17:10.50 | Hanuman | irc transcript would be nice as well |
| 17:11.45 | ryane | not a lot was said on the IRC channel during the meeting, from what I browsed of it last night. |
| 17:11.47 | Hanuman | hans: if you do one of those in the future I can get you several of the FH dept programmers to be there and answer questions |
| 17:11.59 | Hanuman | I made some comments on the BYU game |
| 17:12.11 | Hanuman | Actually, it's probably in my backlog |
| 17:12.13 | Hanuman | if I look |
| 17:12.35 | Hanuman | I didn't check everything before I came in later last night, though |
| 17:12.51 | Hanuman | I was a little clueless as to what it was all about anyway |
| 17:13.14 | hans | i have the transcript. will post it. |
| 17:13.37 | hans | Hanuman: maybe you can email me the ogg then (or ryane); who knows when andrew will come out of his hole |
| 17:13.43 | hans | and check his email |
| 17:14.01 | ryane | slow upload |
| 17:14.05 | ryane | 256Kbps |
| 17:14.16 | Hanuman | my connection at home's the same |
| 17:14.29 | hans | what, no bittorrent? :) |
| 17:14.43 | ryane | not from here in Highland. |
| 17:16.06 | hans | when I get a copy (one way or another) I'll make a bittorrent of it |
| 17:20.59 | Hanuman | man I hope MS doesn't buy Google |
| 17:21.09 | ryane | amen |
| 17:21.16 | brailsmt | me too, i wou;d have to stop using it |
| 17:21.20 | Hanuman | They can have good luck converting them from Linux |
| 17:21.39 | ryane | did they convert other Linux items they purchased? |
| 17:21.45 | ryane | (linux-based) |
| 17:22.15 | brailsmt | the conversion is easy, MS buys them, then fires mgmt, then puts in their own mgmt, and voila! the switch is all but done |
| 17:22.29 | Hanuman | I hear hotmail, which used to be based on freebsd, has since been converted to M$, but I'm not completely sure on that one |
| 17:23.02 | ryane | I didn't know if they had converted it or not |
| 17:23.06 | Hanuman | brailsmt: yeah, but there's a whole 'lot of servers for them to move over to M$ |
| 17:23.25 | Hanuman | neither do I - I've heard varying stories |
| 17:23.25 | brailsmt | Hanuman: and a whole lot of money to throw at doing it too |
| 17:23.35 | Hanuman | I guess that's true |
| 17:23.51 | Hanuman | hmmm...what other search engine would I use? |
| 17:24.19 | ryane | there *are* no other search engines. |
| 17:24.40 | Hanuman | at least none other with some sort of M$ investment in them |
| 17:25.31 | Hanuman | sounds like a good time for OSS to step forward with their own solution - distributed search engine anyone? |
| 17:26.07 | brailsmt | i would love to write a search engine... getting the storage capacity to do so is the killer... |
| 17:26.22 | Hanuman | that's why it should be distributed |
| 17:26.36 | Hanuman | then you don't have to worry about millions of servers to handle the load |
| 17:26.55 | Hanuman | maybe a mozilla and IE plugin could do the trick |
| 17:27.21 | Hanuman | or a Windows and Linux screen saver |
| 17:28.01 | Hanuman | peer-to-peer is the future and where OSS can shine I think |
| 17:30.39 | brailsmt | http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,7722041%5E1702,00.html -- a step in the right direction |
| 17:44.29 | sjansen | Hanuman: From what I hear, they changed the ID string, but when you fingerprint a server it's still FreeBSD. |
| 17:51.45 | bonez39 | if I file bears a .gz extension, what does that extension mean? |
| 17:51.59 | Jayce^ | gzipped |
| 17:52.05 | Jayce^ | compressed |
| 17:55.01 | brailsmt | usually you see .tar.gz or .tgz, in which case you extract with "tar xzf <file>" |
| 17:55.12 | brailsmt | if it is just .gz, then use gunzip |
| 17:57.14 | bonez39 | if I install something like 'samba-doc' and then want to find where it install, how do I find or locate that? |
| 17:58.49 | Jayce^ | doesn't debian have a standard location for that? |
| 17:58.54 | Jayce^ | or is it just man pages? |
| 17:59.16 | bonez39 | I ran apt-get install samba-doc extensive documentation for setting up samba.. |
| 17:59.25 | bonez39 | but I dont' know to find the files now |
| 17:59.35 | hans | bonez39: /usr/share/doc/samba |
| 18:00.31 | bonez39 | hans: I looked there...I swear..there is nothing extensive about installation or runn samba |
| 18:00.55 | hans | maybe /usr/share/doc/samba-doc then |
| 18:01.20 | bonez39 | hans: thanks..I owe ya.. |
| 18:05.59 | hans | Jayce^: did you hear that? You have a volunteer to set up a plug cms website. |
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| 18:07.14 | neybar | he got too excited I guess... |
| 18:07.36 | Jayce^ | gahhh.. my box is having troubles! |
| 18:08.48 | neybar | maybe TA should replace your whole computer for you... |
| 18:09.14 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 18:09.26 | Jayce^ | that time it locked and had a loud pitch going out the speakers.. |
| 18:09.35 | Jayce^ | looking up issues with my audigy maybe |
| 18:09.41 | neybar | with a athlon64 dualy? |
| 18:09.57 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:13.30 | neybar | check and see what sound system mdk is using, I changed mine from oss to alsa. I didn't have any lockups, but the sound was really bad |
| 18:14.19 | Jayce^ | my sound is fine... right now I think it's using oss for the emu10k1 driver.. |
| 18:14.29 | Jayce^ | not sure of alsa's current audigy support |
| 18:14.38 | Jayce^ | you still running 2.6 on yours? |
| 18:14.51 | neybar | no |
| 18:15.48 | neybar | same with xmms, I installed the xmms-alsa plugin and that made a huge difference in sound too |
| 18:16.35 | neybar | if you want to keep using oss, then make sure that mdk is using the threaded oss system |
| 18:17.02 | Jayce^ | sound comes out fine |
| 18:17.55 | hans | oss. gag |
| 18:18.10 | hans | alsa is so much better |
| 18:22.16 | Jayce^ | how's their audigy driver? |
| 18:23.20 | Jayce^ | finding a few things that talk about the audigy not liking sharing the irq, which would explain a few things.. |
| 18:23.24 | Jayce^ | especially on asus boards |
| 18:25.05 | hans | Jayce^: got me. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Audigy+Platinum&chip=Audigy&module=emu10k1 |
| 18:25.55 | Jayce^ | LOL!! while googling for an answer, I found a post art made in response to a guy having my exact same problem! |
| 18:33.09 | tensai | I'm still using oss because I couldn't get both channels on my card to work with alsa. Is that possible? eg. I want to play mp3s in xmms while playing Quake. |
| 18:34.41 | tensai | I guess I ought to figure it out soon since 2.6 is alsa only |
| 18:34.58 | levi | 2.6 still has oss, actually. |
| 18:37.14 | brailsmt_work | but 2.6 oss is disabled by default... |
| 18:37.39 | tensai | and eventually distros will default to alsa |
| 18:38.40 | levi | 'oss disabled by default' != 'alsa only' |
| 18:39.31 | levi | Not trying to dissuade you from getting alsa to work, just correcting a factual error. |
| 18:40.02 | tensai | point taken. I thought they had removed oss. Apparently not. |
| 19:02.56 | sjansen | Ugh. Why must people insist on replacing the lists with forums. |
| 19:03.40 | Hanuman | it's the new fad - didn't you know? |
| 19:04.00 | Hanuman | I'd rather info come to me than myself have to go to info |
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| 19:18.12 | Hanuman | slashdot needs to change their design sometime |
| 19:20.42 | brailsmt_work | forums are fine if anf only if, I can still view them as an ML, meaning, i don't care what format the things as long I still get the msgs in my mail |
| 19:25.23 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_work, amen |
| 19:25.42 | Jayce^ | give a forum interface to the list, it's ok, as long as I can still do it via the list |
| 19:26.55 | tensai | forums are like newsgroups only a little more organized and less flexible. they have different uses, imo |
| 19:27.57 | Hanuman | amen2 |
| 19:28.20 | Hanuman | Longhorn will have blogging capabilities - oooh... |
| 19:28.31 | Hanuman | that was sarcastic by the way |
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| 19:29.33 | TheIB | Is this a group that lives in Utah? |
| 19:30.07 | tensai | several groups, but yes |
| 19:30.44 | TheIB | I used to live there:1962-1965 |
| 19:30.56 | tensai | welcome back, cotter |
| 19:31.05 | brailsmt_work | well, the group doesn't live anywhere... its members live in utah, and we meet in utah... and there isn't a single Utah Linux Users Group, there are about 3 different LUGs here that I know of ... :) |
| 19:31.26 | TheIB | This is Linux users? |
| 19:32.19 | sjansen | yup |
| 19:32.26 | levi | Well, the discussion here mostly centers around Linux stuff. |
| 19:32.38 | levi | When we're not talking about the weather. |
| 19:32.54 | sjansen | Or at least computer stuff with an anti-proprietary slant. |
| 19:33.11 | TheIB | Speaking of which, my nephew in Provo said it snowed yesterday. |
| 19:33.18 | sjansen | Lightly. |
| 19:33.42 | sjansen | Snowing very lightly right now. Nothing sticking. |
| 19:33.51 | TheIB | I live in So. California now but I try to get up to fish the Provo river every year. |
| 19:33.59 | levi | I love me some proprietary Mac OS X, though. |
| 19:34.54 | ryane | nothing sticking to the *road*. |
| 19:36.19 | TheIB | Any of you folks using Linux w/ Samba as a file server in a Windows shop? |
| 19:36.48 | tensai | TheIB: yup |
| 19:37.34 | TheIB | Do you use it in a Windows domain environment? |
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| 19:38.58 | tensai | yup. we have a small business 2k server as pdc and some samba member servers |
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| 19:39.17 | Jayce^ | now running alsa with my nforce audio card |
| 19:40.11 | TheIB | We have been thinking of trying a linux box as a file server to get rid of as many Microsoft boxes as possible. |
| 19:40.42 | TheIB | Can the Linux box join a domain as a member server? |
| 19:42.44 | tensai | yes. with the brand new 3.0, it uses active directory so your w2k boxes can be in "native" mode IIRC. |
| 19:43.04 | TheIB | I thought they had to be standalone servers and that you had to put in the accounts on each Samba box. Not true? |
| 19:44.12 | Jayce^ | sjansen, dont' think that's the problem he needs scratched... he wants a bar to sit fixed across the bottom |
| 19:44.16 | TheIB | We use NT 4 and have no plans to go to Win2k and AD. |
| 19:44.19 | Jayce^ | the bottom of the screen, not the content |
| 19:44.48 | ryane | that was my impression as well, but I'm running Konqueror, so I never know if it's showing me the same as other browsers. :) |
| 19:45.07 | Jayce^ | TheIB, yes it can. I dont' do it myself, but know several who do, and help, or if you need a contracter to set it up, can do that too.. |
| 19:45.33 | TheIB | Tensai: Can 3.0 join an NT doamin as a member server? |
| 19:46.22 | tensai | yeah. it can delegate authentication to the pdc and use dynamic unix uids and gids for the local users. |
| 19:46.46 | TheIB | Cool |
| 19:47.25 | tensai | there's some really good (or so I hear) nt4 -> samba 3 migration tools as well |
| 19:49.25 | TheIB | Tensai: Thanks for the info. Gotta go. |
| 19:53.56 | sjansen | Jayce^: Getting it to sit fixed at the bottom is easy. Getting it to not cover up content, which I did, is harder. |
| 19:55.47 | Hanuman | sjansen: that was really pretty btw |
| 19:56.46 | tensai | anybody ever done network wiring for a new building? |
| 19:58.22 | brailsmt_work | tensai: just use a few WAPs ;) |
| 19:59.09 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:00.00 | tensai | maybe if we didn't make wireless chips, we could |
| 20:00.05 | tensai | our engineers would skin me alive :) |
| 20:00.13 | brailsmt_work | i was gonna the home that my wife and I were going to buy before i got laid off, now I will just use wifi to "wire" my house (when we get one) |
| 20:00.32 | brailsmt_work | i was gonna wire it even... |
| 20:01.21 | Jayce^ | sorry, but wifi just doesn't cut it for games, or bigger transfers.. |
| 20:01.24 | Jayce^ | (streaming too) |
| 20:01.26 | Hanuman | what's the cheapest way for a WAP? We need to connect some of our stores to our main building but have a very limited budget to do so. |
| 20:01.27 | tensai | I found some good reference materials thx to Google. Just wondered if anybody had any great anecdotes to share. |
| 20:01.59 | brailsmt_work | Hanuman: you can get a WAP at circuit city for ~$100 |
| 20:02.24 | brailsmt_work | probably less now |
| 20:02.46 | Jayce^ | especially when you watch the rebate deals.. |
| 20:03.13 | brailsmt_work | i got mine for ~$130 and that was like 9 months ago |
| 20:04.07 | Jayce^ | got mine for like $30 after rebate.. |
| 20:04.21 | Jayce^ | ap, 4port switch, and router (alhtough I have the router off) |
| 20:05.34 | tensai | what's the best way to make a desktop wireless? pci card? usb? ethernet access point? |
| 20:05.46 | brailsmt_work | wifi card |
| 20:06.19 | brailsmt_work | last I heard linux chokes on usb network devices... |
| 20:06.31 | brailsmt_work | </probably really outdated info> |
| 20:07.01 | Hanuman | WAP is line-of-site, though isn't it? |
| 20:07.11 | Jayce^ | usb networking is just a bad idea |
| 20:08.28 | brailsmt_work | "Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for Security" |
| 20:08.33 | brailsmt_work | WHAT?!?! |
| 20:08.40 | Jayce^ | no joke |
| 20:08.46 | Jayce^ | it's all up to the firewall |
| 20:08.48 | brailsmt_work | and this is the guy that pretends to be the chief architect... |
| 20:08.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:09.03 | brailsmt_work | Hanuman: no, wifi is not line of site |
| 20:09.11 | brailsmt_work | it goes through wals just fine |
| 20:09.13 | Hanuman | He lost touch with reality when he started Microsoft |
| 20:09.31 | brailsmt_work | though the range is farther if you have line of sight |
| 20:09.49 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: what's my best way of connecting stores that may be several miles away from each other at a cheap price? |
| 20:10.05 | brailsmt_work | Hanuman: phone lines :) |
| 20:10.07 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you can get bigger antanneas.. |
| 20:10.26 | Hanuman | phone lines are expensive, too, unless you use dial-up |
| 20:10.32 | Jayce^ | my wife uses her laptop at our neighbors house :) |
| 20:10.41 | brailsmt_work | inside the store wifi would wrok well, but from store to store, wifi is probably not what you want... |
| 20:10.52 | Hanuman | Jayce^: we'd have to somehow setup a tower to do it I think if we were to use wireless |
| 20:11.02 | Jayce^ | right.. |
| 20:11.03 | brailsmt_work | Hanuman: thats what I meant, dial-up |
| 20:11.33 | Hanuman | what's the cheapest solution outside of dial-up (I've investigated all this already - I just want to see if there's anything I'm missing) |
| 20:12.09 | brailsmt_work | i just can't get over Mr. Gates comments about security, and they wonder why there are so many viruses for windows... |
| 20:12.44 | brailsmt_work | a pringles can will extend the range of your WAP, if you have line of site... :) |
| 20:13.31 | Hanuman | yeah - I don't think that's going to work. If we were to do that I think we would go for a full yogi antennae (I used to do stuff like that all the time in my Ham radio days) |
| 20:13.52 | brailsmt_work | but I doubt pringle's cans will go over well with whomever oversees the project... :) |
| 20:13.59 | Hanuman | I think somehow we're either going to have to go satellite or landline it |
| 20:14.26 | brailsmt_work | you should make the presentation, while eating a can of pringles... |
| 20:14.35 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 20:14.47 | Hanuman | if they pay for it ;-) |
| 20:15.26 | brailsmt_work | my question is what happens when firewalls are running MS software... how good is a firewall that has holes all over it? |
| 20:15.50 | brailsmt_work | wouldn't Sr. Gates want to take over the firewall market too? |
| 20:16.03 | brailsmt_work | the guy is lost in a world of his own... |
| 20:16.46 | brailsmt_work | which can happen when you have such obscenely huge amounts of cash that he has... if someone doesn't agree with him, he can just go buy someone else who will agree... |
| 20:17.40 | brailsmt_work | the world's leading OS is designed and architected by a guy who thinks that you don't need perfect code for security... |
| 20:18.06 | brailsmt_work | if it was possible for me to respect MS even less, then this has certainly made me respect them less... |
| 20:20.46 | ryane | Hanuman: Could you not do Business DSL to the Internet, then VPN for your store-store network? FreeS/Wan, etc. |
| 20:21.05 | ryane | that's how our OK City and all our home offices are connected. |
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| 20:29.14 | Jayce^ | well, when it locked this time I didn't get the squeal of death |
| 20:30.35 | brailsmt_work | progress |
| 20:31.39 | Jayce^ | still a hard lock thouhg |
| 20:32.29 | brailsmt_work | i get hard locks when i plug in my pcmcia wifi card... i didn't use to either... all i did was upgrade the kernel |
| 20:32.36 | brailsmt_work | heck of an upgrade... |
| 20:33.01 | brailsmt_work | and I can't get the right config on the kernel i used when it was working, either... :( |
| 20:33.29 | Jayce^ | yeah ,but this system was fine just a bit ago... |
| 20:37.24 | Hanuman | ryane: yeah, but I really want cheaper than that. $100-$200/mo is rather expensive for a small retail store |
| 20:37.42 | ryane | Hanuman: What's the distance between them? |
| 20:38.03 | Hanuman | anywhere from 5-75 miles from our main office |
| 20:39.26 | Hanuman | I'm thinking either satellite w/ VPN or dial-up are our only options |
| 20:39.49 | ryane | Han: You could roll your own DSL, but the startup costs are probably prohibitive. I.E. http://www.rric.net/ |
| 20:40.22 | ryane | Han: As long as you can tolerate the latency, sat would not be bad. Wouldnt' work for us, since we do VoIP phone extensions. |
| 20:43.01 | levi | Satellite sucks. Really bad. |
| 20:43.22 | Hanuman | yeah - it doesn't need to be blazing fast - it would just be to allow our stores to gain access to our inventory records and maybe company e-mail |
| 20:43.25 | brailsmt_work | satellite is fine if you can deal with the latency |
| 20:43.30 | Jayce^ | check if there are wireless isp's in your city.. |
| 20:43.37 | ryane | satellite checks a little less than dialup |
| 20:43.43 | Jayce^ | might have taken care of the problem for you |
| 20:43.49 | Hanuman | Jayce^: unfortunately there aren't - too many trees at the moment. |
| 20:43.53 | levi | No, no. Satellite sucks like a black hole UNLESS you need to regularly transfer large files. |
| 20:44.10 | brailsmt_work | in which case you can deal with the latency... |
| 20:44.41 | levi | Doing regular internet stuff is actually worse over satellite than dialup. |
| 20:44.43 | tensai | get 3 or 4 dialup accounts and bond them |
| 20:45.02 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: that's basically what this will be used for - downloading e-mail and downloading inventory information |
| 20:45.14 | levi | Those who have not experienced regular >1sec ping times do not know just how awful it is. |
| 20:45.39 | levi | The lowest you will ever see over a satellite link is just under 1 sec for a round trip. |
| 20:47.07 | levi | I can't emphasize enough how unpleasant this makes using such a link for anything remotely interactive. |
| 20:47.15 | tensai | Hanuman: how real time do you need? how much data is in the inventory? |
| 20:47.16 | brailsmt_work | yeah, which is ok for high bandwith, high latency purposes... |
| 20:48.04 | levi | Well, if you're only going to be using it for background batch processes you probably won't notice. |
| 20:48.46 | levi | But the moment you fire up a web browser or an IMAP client, you will notice that it SUCKS BADLY. |
| 20:49.45 | Hanuman | tensai: it can be a daily update if anything |
| 20:50.05 | Hanuman | which is why dial-up may be our option as well |
| 20:50.16 | tensai | I'm just thinking you could use a modem and replicate over night, or periodically during the day |
| 20:50.37 | levi | When I signed up for satellite, I didn't realize how huge of an impact the latency actually has. |
| 20:51.40 | tensai | at Staples the inventory isn't real-time. it's updated nightly. they seem to be doing well despite that. |
| 20:51.55 | Hanuman | yeah - I've thought about that. Somehow I've got to figure out how our POS system works to do that, but it's possible. Somehow I've got to figure out a way to get it to download e-mail as well. |
| 20:52.15 | Hanuman | We contract out for our POS software - it is really bad, too. |
| 20:52.29 | tensai | so it really is a POS? |
| 20:52.33 | tensai | :) |
| 20:52.52 | ryane | most POS software is definitely a POS. |
| 20:53.05 | ryane | I'm sure there's an OpenPOS that isn't. |
| 20:54.07 | Hanuman | We poll nightly and upload the inventory from the store - I've just got to somehow add in a download of our other stores' inventory so that store has access to know what is in each of the other stores. |
| 20:55.03 | Hanuman | There's some good OpenPOS systems that if you have a fast, dedicated connection work really well (at least from what they say) |
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| 20:55.28 | Hanuman | None of them have nightly polling capabilities, though for small stores like ours |
| 20:55.32 | tensai | for email you'd want it to be more or less real time, otherwise you'd have to wait till tomorrow for a response |
| 20:55.49 | tensai | maybe an hourly poll or something |
| 20:56.05 | Hanuman | tensai: that actually would be fine - we just want them to be able to at least receive e-mails should there be a company gathering, etc. |
| 20:57.01 | Hanuman | we'd have to get another phone line for each of the stores to do an hourly poll. The same phone line is used for cc transactions - but I guess that's cheaper than a dedicated connection. |
| 20:57.36 | tensai | you could set up a small smtp server at each site which uses fetchmail to update from the main server. |
| 20:57.37 | Hanuman | I'd want to turn off the speaker on the modem so as to not drive our store managers nuts |
| 20:57.58 | tensai | then the smtp server would upload responses when the connection comes up for the poll |
| 20:58.11 | Hanuman | tensai: that's actually a good idea |
| 20:58.22 | ryane | reasonable and cheap. auto PPP stuff is well-documented as well. |
| 20:58.32 | ryane | I'd be a bit concerned sharing the CC line. |
| 20:58.50 | ryane | You'd hate to have someone who sent a big .JPG in an e-mail keeping your stores from selling merchandise. |
| 20:59.21 | Hanuman | ryane: yeah - if it were to be hourly we'd definitely want another phone line for polling and e-mail downloads |
| 20:59.35 | tensai | the only drawback I see is that the remote email isn't a replica, it's the real deal. |
| 21:00.02 | Hanuman | tensai: what do you mean? |
| 21:00.11 | ryane | ten: huh? |
| 21:00.53 | tensai | if you're backing up your mail server, their email would be excluded because it's been removed from your main mail server |
| 21:01.01 | tensai | maybe I'm just thinking wacko here |
| 21:01.19 | ryane | depends on how fetchmail is setup. |
| 21:01.21 | tensai | if they were at the home office, they couldn't check their email either |
| 21:01.38 | ryane | you can use IMAP, and leave messages on the server. |
| 21:01.46 | ryane | and expire them after a date lag. |
| 21:03.46 | tensai | Hanuman: sounds like a fun project. if you ever build a store in southern Oregon, let me know :) |
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| 21:22.39 | Hanuman | tensai: will do |
| 21:22.59 | Hanuman | I just got off the phone with the developer of our POS software - it was written in Business Basic! |
| 21:23.16 | ryane | ouch |
| 21:23.34 | Hanuman | evidently all I really have to do is transfer a couple of files on a regular basis for inventory updates |
| 21:24.00 | Hanuman | It was started in '79 and they still haven't changed what it's written in |
| 21:24.21 | Hanuman | I'd wonder how much time they'd save by just rewriting it all in OOP |
| 21:24.25 | ryane | it's painful listening to the meeting last night, because I want to 'retroactively comment'. |
| 21:24.41 | Hanuman | ryane: I'm still trying to download - it keeps freezing on me |
| 21:24.49 | Hanuman | can you e-mail it to jesse@thestays.org? |
| 21:25.03 | ryane | sure. |
| 21:25.06 | Hanuman | tnx |
| 21:26.52 | Jayce^ | so my mouse, my nic, speakers, and my video card are still plugged in.. different keyboard.. let's see if this stays up |
| 21:28.05 | levi | woo, my new eMac just arrived. |
| 21:28.40 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 21:33.57 | Hanuman | rub it in, rub it in... ;-) |
| 21:34.24 | levi | I can't wait to get it home and turn it on... ;) |
| 21:44.14 | brailsmt_work | sounds productive |
| 21:44.46 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 21:45.00 | Jayce^ | more productive than I've been the last three days, locking up so many times |
| 21:49.43 | hans | levi: what are you doing with your old apple? |
| 21:50.11 | levi | Not sure yet. |
| 21:52.12 | levi | I may give it to my girlfriend, who only has an ancient laptop right now. |
| 21:53.13 | Hanuman | levi: if you don't give it to her, how much do you want to sell it for? |
| 21:54.04 | hans | and then what would she do with her ancient laptop? ;-) |
| 21:54.37 | levi | My goodness, you people must be desperate for computing hardware. |
| 21:54.53 | Hanuman | I need any Mac to read my Grandpa's old family history files |
| 21:55.03 | Hanuman | I tried Ebay and that backfired on me |
| 21:55.19 | Hanuman | He had a really old Mac |
| 21:56.04 | levi | There are a number of online stores that sell old Mac hardware. |
| 21:56.45 | levi | You could probably get an early PowerMac for cheap. |
| 21:57.58 | Hanuman | Like how cheap? |
| 21:59.28 | Hanuman | Well, gotta head home and go trick-or-treating - happy halloween! |
| 21:59.59 | ryane | Han: Good Luck with your project. |
| 22:00.19 | levi | http://www2.sunrem.com/sun01.w?pt=116-787 |
| 22:00.28 | levi | Less than $100 for a PowerPC |
| 22:01.08 | levi | Ooh, you could get a Quadra for $50 |
| 22:02.22 | hans | levi: not so much computing equipment as portable computing equipment |
| 22:02.27 | hans | (not to mention macs) |
| 22:02.29 | levi | Mac LC for $40 |
| 22:03.22 | hans | brailsmt_work: doesn't look so dry out there to me |
| 22:03.25 | Jayce^ | if something doesn't work right soon, I'll be ready to drop my main system out my window :) |
| 22:03.47 | Jayce^ | hans, a) it's very dry b) you don't count, you are from another dry wasteland |
| 22:03.58 | hans | Jayce^: how about drop it in my lap? I can probably sell it so I can buy levi's laptop or something. :) |
| 22:04.06 | brailsmt_work | hans: the air, is completely devoid of humidity... |
| 22:04.10 | brailsmt_work | :( |
| 22:04.18 | hans | Jayce^: are we looking at the same sky? |
| 22:04.35 | Jayce^ | Jayce^ grew up in seattle |
| 22:05.00 | brailsmt_work | and thunderstorms |
| 22:05.01 | Jayce^ | hans, yes... my skin is flaking off it's so dry |
| 22:05.23 | ryane | as my wife likes to say: "Haven't you heard of lotion?" |
| 22:05.23 | hans | even if utah is generally dry I still don't see the point of complaining when it's wet outside. |
| 22:05.54 | brailsmt_work | no one uses chapstick in MO... only for wind burns in the winter... here is a completely different story... |
| 22:05.59 | brailsmt_work | lol |
| 22:06.05 | hans | and I never have at all. too bad you grew up in a humid climate to destroy your natural moisturizers ;-) |
| 22:06.07 | Jayce^ | hans, this wussy excuse for wetness? |
| 22:06.33 | hans | i didn't say it was real real wet. just wetter than normal and yet today you choose to complain. I don't get it - what was the impetus? |
| 22:06.36 | brailsmt_work | hans: there is rain, but there is no humidity... rain != humidity and rain doesn't help dry irritated skin |
| 22:06.53 | hans | brailsmt_work: rain == more humidity |
| 22:07.01 | hans | you can't get away from that |
| 22:07.03 | Jayce^ | 50% humidity... |
| 22:07.05 | Jayce^ | moderate temps |
| 22:07.15 | levi | hans: I'm not selling a laptop. In fact, I'm probably not selling anything. |
| 22:07.28 | levi | Although, I do still have those Sun ELCs. |
| 22:07.53 | neybar | I like humidity also... as long at the temp doesn't get above the mid 80's or so |
| 22:08.01 | hans | brailsmt_work: just don't get out of the shower in the morning |
| 22:08.10 | hans | can't be much different than living in seattle. ;-) |
| 22:08.15 | Jayce^ | yeah, try visiting Rio... wow.. |
| 22:08.17 | hans | esp. after the hot water runs out |
| 22:08.34 | brailsmt_work | nothing like HS footbal pracice in august with 95% humidity and 95 temps |
| 22:08.53 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 22:09.23 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:09.46 | hans | i've been there, but not MO. would hate to be unfounded. |
| 22:09.51 | brailsmt_work | hrmm... i didn't think it was disgusting... sorry to bring it up... |
| 22:10.23 | hans | lol. humidity is disgusting. anyway, I really am changing the topic: http://uug.byu.edu/~fugalh/uug.ogg.torrent |
| 22:10.43 | Jayce^ | dessication is horrible |
| 22:11.28 | brailsmt_work | dessication? |
| 22:12.05 | ryane | Jayce^ needs to stop eating silica gel. |
| 22:12.35 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_work, drying things out.. what silica does |
| 22:13.06 | brailsmt_work | or Utah :D |
| 22:13.20 | hans | also http://uug.byu.edu/~fugalh/academia.(log|sxi) |
| 22:13.51 | levi | I'm trying to figure out what ELCs go for these days. |
| 22:13.57 | ryane | hans: .log is forbidden |
| 22:14.26 | hans | ryane: fixed |
| 22:14.32 | ryane | hans: danke. |
| 22:18.27 | levi | I don't think anyone sells ELCs these days. |
| 22:19.39 | brailsmt_work | ELC? |
| 22:20.18 | levi | Sun SparcStation ELC. |
| 22:20.57 | levi | I think one of mine needs a new nvram chip, but the other should work fine. |
| 22:29.43 | levi | I doubt they're worth more than $20 each. |
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