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| 05:40.26 | Mecworks | nice to have ibot back. |
| 05:40.58 | Mecworks | ibot: convert miles to barleycorns |
| 05:41.09 | Mecworks | nice. |
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| 07:35.59 | bonez39 | hi jayce.. |
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| 14:28.55 | bonez39 | I have sound working now..just can't figure out the name of my cdrom ..the device name..to play files in it |
| 16:19.48 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> http://sllug.org http://plug.org http://uug.byu.edu http://fslc.usu.edu http://www.ldsoss.org | UUG meeting tonight: http://uug.byu.edu/events.php?id=105 stream: http://uug.byu.edu:8000/uug.ogg |
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| 17:11.26 | Jayce^ | crap, something is seriously wrong with this computer.. |
| 17:11.39 | Jayce^ | crashed 4 times yesterday.. hard locks.. |
| 17:14.57 | levi | Uh oh. |
| 17:21.45 | brailsmt_work | it is a grass roots campaign against ppl that use perl... ;D |
| 17:32.39 | Jayce^ | a friend says it's snowing up at the U |
| 17:34.11 | levi | I've heard a few reports of snow from various places around SLC, but there's none at the point of the mountain at the moment. |
| 17:34.35 | Jayce^ | none here in the ranches.. just a nice leaden sky |
| 17:39.27 | brailsmt_work | we sure need snow/water |
| 17:39.33 | Jayce^ | no joke |
| 17:40.36 | brailsmt_work | can I have an anonymous enum inside a class in C++? |
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| 17:55.13 | Hanuman | none here in VA |
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| 17:56.08 | Hanuman | we don't need any more snow or water - I'm sick of it. |
| 17:56.15 | Hanuman | We needed it last year, though |
| 17:56.52 | Hanuman | saw this advertised on /.: |
| 17:56.54 | Hanuman | http://www.thinkgeek.com/pcmods/cases/6169/?cpg=7 |
| 17:58.24 | brailsmt_work | i think that case is stupid... |
| 17:58.29 | brailsmt_work | i want real fish! |
| 17:58.39 | brailsmt_work | if it was real fish, I would go for it... |
| 17:58.42 | Hanuman | you could probably mod it for seamonkeys |
| 17:59.04 | Hanuman | that would be cool - a seamonkey case |
| 18:00.06 | brailsmt_work | hey, if you had real fish in a pccase, you wouldn't need a heater... :) |
| 18:00.07 | levi | Hmm. It's snowing here now. |
| 18:00.25 | brailsmt_work | you might need to cool the water though... |
| 18:01.25 | Hanuman | Screen Savers on TechTV had a really cool case that was made of the same material as one of those crystal ball thingies that respond to your touch with electric archs |
| 18:01.51 | levi | The plasma ball things? |
| 18:02.11 | Jayce^ | levi, sweet, hopefully here next.. |
| 18:02.26 | levi | It's a good thing I got my snow tires on yesterday. |
| 18:02.41 | levi | My summer tires would have sucked, especially considering the back ones were totally and completely bald. |
| 18:02.52 | Jayce^ | good thing I drive AWD or 4wd :) |
| 18:02.57 | Jayce^ | course, even better I'm working at home |
| 18:03.14 | brailsmt_work | as if 4wd is worth anything with crappy tires... :) |
| 18:03.35 | Hanuman | levi: yeah |
| 18:03.36 | brailsmt_work | give me 2wd with good tires over 4wd with baldies anyday :) |
| 18:04.03 | Hanuman | give me a good, heavy truck and I'm happy |
| 18:04.03 | levi | Yeah, tires make FAR more difference than how many drive wheels you have. |
| 18:04.26 | Jayce^ | good all seasons on my vehicles |
| 18:05.13 | Hanuman | wanna work at thinkgeek?: |
| 18:05.15 | Hanuman | http://www.thinkgeek.com/jobs/ |
| 18:05.26 | brailsmt_work | like everytime a big ole SUV flies past at 85 MPH on I-15 when everyone else is going 35... |
| 18:05.48 | levi | My Jeep is more than happy to slide around on ice, even when I'm in 4wd. |
| 18:06.16 | levi | My Miata will slide around on cold pavement when I've got my summer tires on. ;) |
| 18:06.39 | brailsmt_work | and a big ole truck/suv has a lot more inertia to deal with... inertia on ice is bad... |
| 18:07.12 | Hanuman | sweet - their located in Fairfax, VA - that's like 5 mins from my parents house |
| 18:07.38 | brailsmt_work | of course I am the guy that wasted a whole tank of gas doing donuts on night while I was high school... :) |
| 18:07.43 | Jayce^ | I loved my old outback sport... I never got that thing to slide.. |
| 18:07.45 | Jayce^ | and I tried |
| 18:08.15 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 18:08.59 | levi | I was a high school once. It sucked; all those nasty kids running around inside. Especially when they smoked in my bathrooms, and did other unsavory things. |
| 18:10.52 | levi | Decided to give up the high school gig and return to being a person. Can't get out much as a building. |
| 18:12.23 | Hanuman | I can just imagine, "Interviewer: So, why do you want to work for ThinkGeek? Hanuman: DISCOUNTS!" |
| 18:12.30 | Hanuman | think I'd get the job? |
| 18:57.52 | bonez39 | what's a good player for windows wmv type files, under linux? |
| 19:00.31 | Hanuman | mplayer |
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| 19:12.02 | tensai | Jayce^: did you ever put that voice mail system in your house? |
| 19:23.56 | Jayce^ | no, still gotta do the wiring first.. |
| 19:24.03 | Jayce^ | then get the box that will run it up |
| 19:24.14 | Jayce^ | I know a guy who did.. I think brailsmt* did it too |
| 19:25.04 | levi | Voice mail in the house? |
| 19:25.09 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:25.25 | Jayce^ | web interface, tk interface too |
| 19:25.48 | Jayce^ | http://www.vocpsystem.com/ |
| 19:26.59 | brailsmt_work | i was using vocpsystems, but I had a hard time getting it set up just right, since I couldn't call my own line... |
| 19:27.52 | Jayce^ | that can be a pain :) |
| 19:28.21 | brailsmt_work | yeah, it really can... i tried to do it from work, but was a hassle... |
| 19:29.12 | Jayce^ | a friend is actually using it for work, not for their voicemail, but for an automated account lookup system |
| 19:29.22 | tensai | we're gonna be switching phone systems some time in the future |
| 19:30.22 | Jayce^ | if you have actual voice hardware, look at bayonne.. |
| 19:30.27 | Jayce^ | this is much more of a home only type system.. |
| 19:30.42 | tensai | this is for work, so it'll have to be rock solid |
| 19:30.43 | Jayce^ | just a modem or two type thing |
| 19:31.10 | Jayce^ | this one is solid, but not made for the *real* hardware... |
| 19:31.21 | Jayce^ | heard great things about bayonne though |
| 19:31.23 | tensai | what about voip? is that just hype or there real benefits? |
| 19:31.52 | tensai | yeah, me too. I installed it once at home but I didn't have much to do with it. |
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| 19:36.03 | Jayce^ | so we've got some snow finally sticking.. |
| 19:36.08 | Jayce^ | barely.. but it is.. |
| 19:36.12 | mhalcrow | Snow? What's that? |
| 19:36.16 | Jayce^ | welcome mhalcrow... |
| 19:36.20 | Hanuman | Jayce^: what can bayonne do? |
| 19:36.39 | Hanuman | mhalcrow: I forgot while I was in Texas, too - is that where you still are? |
| 19:36.40 | mhalcrow | I think I'll take a trip to the beach this weekend. :-P |
| 19:36.55 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, it's a sweet generic api layer over different phone cards.. |
| 19:37.00 | Jayce^ | check the site. |
| 19:37.20 | Hanuman | Jayce^: tnx |
| 19:37.35 | Hanuman | we use some DOS program for our voicemail here at work right now |
| 19:37.56 | Jayce^ | yeah, a lotta stuff does.. mostly really old systems |
| 19:38.48 | mhalcrow | Gotta get back to work... see y'all later. Rumor has it I'll be on the panel for the UUG meeting tonight... |
| 19:38.53 | Hanuman | yeah - ours is pretty old - does the job, though |
| 19:48.30 | bonez39 | hanuman, jayce...I appreciate your collective help with me getting my system back in shape.... |
| 19:51.14 | Hanuman | no prob - I didn't do much |
| 19:51.26 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you answered Mitch's e-mail yet? |
| 19:51.47 | Jayce^ | hunh? |
| 19:51.52 | Jayce^ | no, hadn't looked |
| 19:52.23 | Hanuman | k - I just answered it - I said you probably had already beat me to it |
| 19:53.05 | Hanuman | those placeholders have saved my life at times |
| 20:09.55 | Hanuman | ooh - I won something in South Africa - should I contact them? Good thing I checked my spam box. |
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| 20:14.30 | Hanuman | there went the European hub |
| 20:15.29 | Jayce^ | oooh. the snow is picking up :) |
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| 20:22.03 | bonez39 | hans: I have sound...can't quite get xmms to work yet.but cdplay does ok...trying to figure out grip |
| 20:22.40 | Hanuman | ew - Doran's rewrite is gross |
| 20:26.29 | Jayce^ | very c-like |
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| 20:33.49 | brailsmt_work | is it smowing in provo? |
| 20:33.58 | Jayce^ | it is in the ranches.. |
| 20:34.00 | Jayce^ | quite heavily |
| 20:34.09 | sjansen | Something like it. rain/snow |
| 20:36.33 | Hanuman | Jayce^: that's what I was going to say - he must have previously been a C programmer |
| 20:37.07 | Hanuman | He's using Perl to program DBI - it should be the other way around |
| 20:46.38 | Hanuman | I see Dave's point, but I can't bring myself to using frames in html anymore. |
| 20:47.10 | Hanuman | or tables either |
| 20:47.34 | Jayce^ | I still use a lot of tables, because I can't ever seem to get the positioning right :D |
| 20:47.44 | Jayce^ | course, I try hard to avoid designing at all |
| 20:47.53 | Hanuman | yeah - I'm just forcing myself to not use them - takes more time, but I'm getting much better at it |
| 20:48.03 | Hanuman | kinda like learning vim |
| 20:48.38 | Hanuman | but hey - in the future there won't be html at all - it will all be some form of XML |
| 20:48.46 | Jayce^ | xdocs |
| 20:53.03 | bonez39 | stuart? did my email reach you? |
| 20:58.16 | sjansen | bonez39: It did. It's on my todo list. Sounds like you want Flash help more than anything else, though, and I can't help with that. |
| 20:58.30 | bonez39 | ok...... |
| 20:58.58 | sjansen | Hanuman: That's a great analogy. It's taken awhile to learn to get by without tables, but I'm glad I did. It provides the same freedom as Vim once you grok it. |
| 20:59.40 | Jayce^ | I love it, I just avoid it because it's design :D |
| 21:02.05 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah - I'm still somewhat a beginner, but the more I learn, the more I see how beneficial it is to use CSS and divs rather than tables |
| 21:02.29 | Hanuman | Jayce^: not so much design as structured programming |
| 21:02.39 | Hanuman | and objects |
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| 21:03.29 | Jayce^ | I'm talking about using it.. you are using css to work on your pages.. |
| 21:03.56 | Jayce^ | I'm not using css to pretty up my perl.. I use it for my html .. |
| 21:04.12 | Jayce^ | when I do html, yes, use css... but I avoid having to do html as much as I can... |
| 21:04.16 | Jayce^ | that's the point I'm making |
| 21:04.32 | levi | Ahhh. |
| 21:04.41 | levi | Good reason to avoid it, I suppose. :) |
| 21:05.44 | Hanuman | makes sense |
| 21:11.12 | sjansen | Ouch. Frank is pretty blunt with Wade. |
| 21:11.36 | Jayce^ | no joke |
| 21:13.58 | Hanuman | man - I'm jealous - our President just got a G5 |
| 21:14.11 | Hanuman | and he only got it for itunes and his ipod |
| 21:14.11 | bonez39 | I want a G5..looks pretty hot. |
| 21:14.27 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 21:14.35 | levi | I wanted a G5, but I bought an eMac instead. Much cheaper. :) |
| 21:14.47 | Hanuman | wonder if this means I will get a bonus this year |
| 21:15.32 | Jayce^ | levi, you just get that? |
| 21:15.34 | bonez39 | does eMac use same processors, design? |
| 21:15.50 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's just a "cheaper" imac.. |
| 21:16.00 | Jayce^ | it uses a tube, etc.. |
| 21:16.54 | levi | Just get what? |
| 21:17.02 | Jayce^ | the emac |
| 21:17.13 | levi | I ordered it yesterday, it should arrive tomorrow. |
| 21:17.30 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 21:17.38 | Hanuman | man - everyone around me are getting Macs except me :-( |
| 21:17.54 | Hanuman | s/are/is/ |
| 21:18.02 | levi | 1Ghz G4, 17" CRT, Combo drive (DVD, CDRW), 40gig HD. |
| 21:18.06 | brailsmt_work | but then I don't live near you :) |
| 21:18.14 | Hanuman | :-p |
| 21:18.27 | Hanuman | that was to levi |
| 21:18.40 | Hanuman | and Jayce^ |
| 21:18.44 | Hanuman | and my President |
| 21:18.47 | Jayce^ | levi, you going to run OSX on it? or darwin or linux? |
| 21:19.04 | levi | Got it for $745, including a VGA adapter and tax. |
| 21:19.14 | Jayce^ | you can't be too jealous of a 300mhz "hello kitty" blueberry ibook :) |
| 21:19.24 | Jayce^ | where? |
| 21:19.27 | levi | I think it's silly to run anything other than OS X on a Mac. |
| 21:19.29 | Hanuman | it's still an ibook |
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| 21:19.42 | levi | The deal was through a friend who works for Apple. |
| 21:19.46 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 21:20.39 | Hanuman | levi, my friend... ;-) |
| 21:21.32 | Hanuman | I couldn't afford it right now anyway |
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| 21:29.37 | Hanuman | way to go wade |
| 21:33.38 | brailsmt_work | captain crunch |
| 21:33.42 | brailsmt_work | oops... :) |
| 21:34.44 | Hanuman | ibot: give me some captain crunch |
| 21:34.47 | | Hanuman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:35.01 | Hanuman | wow - captain crunch has come a long way |
| 21:35.28 | Hanuman | that sounds like a cool name for a oss program |
| 21:35.42 | Hanuman | I wonder when the name goes into the public domain |
| 21:38.07 | sjansen | Hanuman: What are you cheering Wade for? |
| 21:39.09 | Hanuman | his last post - he said he'd prefer not to use tables. |
| 21:46.02 | sjansen | I think I've finally found a way to encourage correct posting and trimming without starting a flame war. |
| 21:48.46 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 21:51.49 | sjansen | Wee! |
| 21:52.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you forgot to flame him for also posting LOL... |
| 21:52.40 | Jayce^ | that's legal in irc, but not on a mailing list (especially in conjunction with those things which you properly chastised for) |
| 21:54.51 | Bradipo | How are you going to encourage that? |
| 21:55.25 | sjansen | Jayce^: Good point. I suggest you pick up a weapon yourself and join the hunt. |
| 21:57.00 | sjansen | Bradipo: Using humor to teach. I welcomed a recent arrival to the list then explained that top posting are non-trimming are punishable by death. I than picked up a battle axe and began to chase him. (Hopefully that will prevent any wet blankets defending top posting.) |
| 21:58.05 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 21:58.37 | sjansen | Argh. Failure. |
| 21:58.47 | sjansen | Oh well, back to nit picking and flaming. |
| 21:58.52 | Bradipo | I usually just delete both top posted emails and non-trimmed ones. |
| 21:59.11 | brailsmt_work | snowing here at byu |
| 21:59.13 | Bradipo | Cuts down on the amount of email I have to read drastically. |
| 21:59.35 | Jayce^ | still snowing up here :) thankfully |
| 21:59.37 | brailsmt_work | thx to a firedrill that forced me out of my natural habitat, i got to see the snow |
| 21:59.41 | Bradipo | In the first case I know that I don't want to read it. |
| 22:00.07 | Bradipo | And in the second case I don't want to bother scrolling past all the unnecessary quote to read possibly one line. |
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| 22:05.18 | Bradipo | http://www.lamer.de/maex/creative/articles/xmasstory/ |
| 22:05.25 | Bradipo | I'm sure some of you will get a kick out of this. |
| 22:05.42 | Jayce^ | quite a busy day on the lists.. |
| 22:09.07 | tensai | Bradipo: nice. very fitting. |
| 22:09.19 | HarleyPig | Bradipo: heh ... I like it. |
| 22:09.33 | HarleyPig | I just forwarded it to my bil ... maybe he'll catch the point. |
| 22:09.36 | HarleyPig | yeah right. |
| 22:09.38 | Jayce^ | I dont' get it... somebody explain it to me... |
| 22:09.39 | Bradipo | That was posted to my favorite mailing list while ago. |
| 22:09.42 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:11.39 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:11.58 | emcnabb | sjansen, good post |
| 22:18.29 | Dlugar | I don't have much of a preference between top-posting and not, |
| 22:18.38 | Dlugar | to me, you just have to see the "content" without scrolling. |
| 22:18.44 | sjansen | emcnabb: Which one, I've post a couple times today. |
| 22:18.58 | Jayce^ | "a couple" ?? |
| 22:19.11 | Dlugar | Trimming is usually the best solution, but sometimes trimming plus top-posting works too. |
| 22:19.31 | Bradipo | Why include any quoting if you top post? |
| 22:19.42 | Bradipo | It doesn't make sense in my opinion. |
| 22:20.02 | Bradipo | Usually it just shows laziness on the part of the responder. |
| 22:20.05 | Dlugar | a lot of times, you're not really "replying" to anything in the bottom post, |
| 22:20.11 | Bradipo | Exactly. |
| 22:20.16 | Bradipo | That's why you should completely remove the quote. |
| 22:20.27 | Dlugar | but it's nice to see exactly in what context the email was posted. |
| 22:20.39 | Bradipo | cross posting is an entirely different issue, and yet another no-no. :-) |
| 22:20.44 | Dlugar | brailsmt: I don't think it's cross-posting that's the big issue, |
| 22:21.03 | Dlugar | I think that's tangentially related to the issue at hand. |
| 22:21.03 | Bradipo | Well that would be apparent if folks would use relevant and intelligent subjects. |
| 22:21.07 | Bradipo | Instead of simply ``Help!!!'' |
| 22:21.13 | Dlugar | And unfortunately confusing the issue. |
| 22:21.30 | sjansen | Dlugar: I think you're right about the cause. |
| 22:21.39 | Dlugar | bradipo: I'm speaking more from my experience of personal emails, not necessarily mailing lists. |
| 22:21.55 | Dlugar | bradipo: if I get a reply to an email from a week ago, I may not remember exactly what I said, |
| 22:22.06 | Bradipo | Ahh, well I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that nobody reads RFC 1855 anymore. |
| 22:22.10 | Dlugar | and the person replying might not need to reply to particular /sections/, |
| 22:22.14 | Bradipo | And subscribes to it's precepts. |
| 22:22.24 | Dlugar | but rather just to the whole email in general. |
| 22:22.26 | Bradipo | With personal email it may be different. |
| 22:22.33 | Dlugar | Hence it's nice to have my email at the bottom to refer to, |
| 22:22.44 | Bradipo | I can see that point. |
| 22:22.53 | Dlugar | but im[ns]ho it should always be trimmed and cleaned up anyway. |
| 22:22.57 | Bradipo | But do you need the entire quote to remember what you were talking about? |
| 22:23.08 | Dlugar | exactly--it should only leave in the main part, |
| 22:23.11 | Bradipo | Usually a reply doesn't reply to an entire body of an email, but rather one or two points of disagreement. |
| 22:23.24 | Bradipo | doesn't address rather. |
| 22:23.27 | Dlugar | the problem is if the "main part" of the replied part is more than a screen big, |
| 22:23.39 | Dlugar | I'd rather have my two-line response at the top, |
| 22:23.49 | Dlugar | instead of at the bottom where I don't see it right away. |
| 22:23.52 | sjansen | Dlugar: But you're arguing exactly FOR bottom/inter-posting. |
| 22:23.59 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to do a regular expression in vim and having a problem making non-greedy work. |
| 22:24.10 | Bradipo | non-greedy should always work... |
| 22:24.11 | sjansen | If you think there's any doubt, the context should come before the communication. |
| 22:24.16 | HarleyPig | The line looks like keyword text text text |
| 22:24.23 | HarleyPig | The regex looks like: 'a,.s/^\(.*\{-}\)[[:space:]].*$/\1/ |
| 22:24.32 | Dlugar | sj: *shrug* for me, I usually remember the context, |
| 22:24.37 | HarleyPig | I get a Nested \{ error |
| 22:24.38 | Dlugar | but if I don't, it's there "just in case". |
| 22:24.48 | sjansen | Bradipo: So don't quote the whole message. That isn't appropriate. Select enough sentences for you response to make sense. |
| 22:24.53 | Bradipo | I agree. |
| 22:25.01 | Bradipo | I never quote the whole message. |
| 22:25.05 | Bradipo | I never have, never will. |
| 22:25.13 | Bradipo | I never to post, never have, never will. |
| 22:25.25 | Dlugar | The thing I hate worst is when there are not just one message but bazillions of messages untrimmed. |
| 22:25.35 | sjansen | HarleyPig: Sorry, we're in the middle of a flame war that crosses two lists and has now spilled into IRC. |
| 22:25.39 | Dlugar | I have no problem with snipping out everything except for the most recent post, and top-posting to that. |
| 22:26.01 | HarleyPig | sjansen: I know... while it's a real problem, I was hoping to side track some people. |
| 22:26.27 | Dlugar | hp: sorry, I could never get the hang of complex vi regexes. |
| 22:26.38 | HarleyPig | If I use 'a,.s/^\(.*\)[[:space:]].*$/\1/ Then the .* is definitely greedy. |
| 22:26.40 | HarleyPig | Dlugar: np :> |
| 22:26.41 | Dlugar | vi seems to make you escape out too many things for it to make sense to my poor little brain. |
| 22:27.09 | Bradipo | .* is always greedy unless you append ? isn't it? |
| 22:27.23 | HarleyPig | No, ? means something else in vim. |
| 22:27.24 | Bradipo | If you are doing anything serious I would recommend using sed anyway. |
| 22:27.30 | Bradipo | Forget vi's implementation. |
| 22:27.36 | HarleyPig | No, it's just a one off. |
| 22:27.36 | Dlugar | or perl. |
| 22:27.37 | Dlugar | hehe. |
| 22:27.45 | Bradipo | Well, even a one off is much easier with sed than vi. |
| 22:27.51 | HarleyPig | And I don't know sed well enough to do that. |
| 22:27.52 | Dlugar | Perl: the one true regular expressions! |
| 22:28.03 | Bradipo | If you know s in vi you know sed... |
| 22:28.13 | Bradipo | The only difference is in how you think about the file you are editing. |
| 22:28.25 | Bradipo | You are allowing sed to edit the file instead of editing with your eyes in vi. |
| 22:28.43 | Bradipo | What is the regex you are trying to match? |
| 22:28.47 | HarleyPig | Bradipo: so how would I do the above expression in sed? I'll try what I have and see what I get. |
| 22:29.05 | HarleyPig | Bradipo: text line is like this - keyword garbage garbage garbage |
| 22:29.17 | Bradipo | sed -e 's//^\(.*\)[[:space:]].*$/\1/' file.txt |
| 22:29.18 | HarleyPig | I want to get rid of all the garbage and keep only the keyword. |
| 22:29.26 | Bradipo | sed -e 's/^\(.*\)[[:space:]].*$/\1/' file.txt |
| 22:29.43 | HarleyPig | so sed is non-greedy by default? |
| 22:29.51 | Bradipo | No, it's greedy I believe. |
| 22:30.05 | Dlugar | hp: will this %s/ .*$/ not work? |
| 22:30.11 | Bradipo | What delimits the keyword? |
| 22:30.13 | Bradipo | A space? |
| 22:30.42 | HarleyPig | yeah, a space. |
| 22:31.43 | Dlugar | So what's wrong with %s/ .*$// ? is it more complex than you're letting on? |
| 22:32.19 | Bradipo | That too works. :-) |
| 22:32.26 | HarleyPig | Dlugar: !? Just a sec |
| 22:33.22 | Dlugar | That's what comes from not knowing how to do complex regular expressions ... |
| 22:33.29 | Dlugar | I just reduce them all to simple ones instead! |
| 22:33.41 | Dlugar | If I actually /had/ to something as complex as what you were trying, I'd never make it. |
| 22:33.48 | Dlugar | *to do |
| 22:33.50 | HarleyPig | There it is again ... that wierd desire I have to make things harder than they have to be. |
| 22:34.14 | HarleyPig | Thanks Dlugar, that just save me some time. |
| 22:34.20 | Dlugar | np :-) |
| 22:34.22 | Dlugar | glad to help. |
| 22:35.11 | HarleyPig | Jayce^ must be busy ... he hasn't ribbed me about that last little debacle of mine! |
| 22:35.17 | Dlugar | k, now I've got a question for you ... |
| 22:35.24 | HarleyPig | I'd still like to know how to make vim regex non-greedy. |
| 22:35.27 | HarleyPig | Sure ... shoot. |
| 22:35.29 | Dlugar | when using < to shift lines left |
| 22:35.40 | Dlugar | I select a big chunk of code with V and then hit < |
| 22:35.49 | Dlugar | but it unselects everything I had selected. |
| 22:35.57 | Dlugar | Is there a way to keep everything selected? |
| 22:36.11 | Dlugar | I suppose I could do, say, 2< or 3< |
| 22:36.22 | Dlugar | but what if I don't know exactly how many times I want to shift it over? |
| 22:36.32 | HarleyPig | Dunno offhand, let me see what I can find. |
| 22:36.39 | Dlugar | k, np. |
| 22:36.41 | HarleyPig | Do you know about vim.sourceforge.net |
| 22:36.50 | Dlugar | i think i've been there once or twice |
| 22:36.54 | Dlugar | I'm really too lazy though. |
| 22:36.57 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 22:37.15 | Dlugar | i only ask because i helped you with something, otherwise I'd go happily on my way |
| 22:37.26 | Dlugar | never caring that I had to go select my code multiple times. :-P |
| 22:38.25 | HarleyPig | tit for tat, eh? np You could've asked even if you didn't help anyone out, y'know. |
| 22:38.27 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 22:38.30 | Dlugar | I only discovered the "shiftwidth=2" command the other day, |
| 22:38.42 | Dlugar | so I've only been using < and > since then. |
| 22:38.53 | Dlugar | (I'm one of those two-spaces-instead-of-tabs heretics.) |
| 22:39.32 | HarleyPig | Kewl. So am I. |
| 22:40.00 | HarleyPig | Dlugar: http://vim.sourceforge.net/tips/tip.php?tip_id=224 |
| 22:40.18 | Dlugar | ooh! |
| 22:40.28 | Dlugar | several answers all in one ... thanks! |
| 22:40.31 | Dlugar | gv, |
| 22:40.38 | Dlugar | remapping < to <gv , |
| 22:40.43 | Dlugar | and the simple . command. heh. |
| 22:40.45 | HarleyPig | See ... it's not what you know ... it's knowing how to find it! :> |
| 22:40.56 | Dlugar | :-) exactly. |
| 22:41.01 | Dlugar | thx. |
| 22:41.05 | HarleyPig | welcome |
| 22:41.15 | Dlugar | man, that gv command is cool. |
| 22:41.35 | Dlugar | There are all sorts of crazy hidden things inside the "g" command. |
| 22:41.39 | Dlugar | like g? |
| 22:42.08 | HarleyPig | Careful ... vim.sf.net can be a time waster ... productive, just not to whatever project you happen to be working on. |
| 22:42.18 | Dlugar | heh. don't worry, |
| 22:42.25 | Dlugar | i'm sure it's more productive than /. ;-) |
| 22:42.34 | HarleyPig | Wellll ... probably. |
| 22:42.36 | Dlugar | (or less unproductive?) |
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| 23:08.21 | HarleyPig | ruff! |
| 23:08.30 | jakea | there, most people know me by that |
| 23:08.33 | jakea | well |
| 23:08.38 | jakea | in linux land |
| 23:10.43 | jakea | and thanks for the welcome sjansen |
| 23:13.02 | jakea | sjansen, you cross-posted, I'm reporting you to the Honor Code Office |
| 23:14.07 | HarleyPig | Fight! |
| 23:14.26 | HarleyPig | Oh ... wait. We're not in high school anymore. |
| 23:16.35 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 23:18.53 | Dlugar | rbe: that's probably true for most of us, we just don't want to admit it. |
| 23:27.18 | levi | I need to stay in and get stuff done more often. |
| 23:27.51 | jakea | When I stay in, I need to actaually get stuff done and not get distracted as often |
| 23:28.10 | HarleyPig | Heathen beards!? |
| 23:29.32 | levi | HarleyPig: ? |
| 23:29.55 | HarleyPig | sjansens CROSSPOSTED email to UUG and PLUG. |
| 23:30.53 | jakea | darn that sjansen, always causing problems |
| 23:32.34 | sjansen | HarleyPig: Don't worry. If BYU security asks, we'll just say you're in a play. |
| 23:33.00 | HarleyPig | :D Won't they want to peel it off? Just to make sure? |
| 23:33.47 | jakea | Just say your a visiting professor for the day |
| 23:34.08 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 23:34.38 | rbe | or visiting *a* professor |
| 23:40.15 | HarleyPig | When I smoked and drank, I used to go up to BYU and walk through campus with a big ol' stogie and a bottle of beer. They usually caught me halfway through campus ... when they would stop me near the edge again mad that I was still there, I told them I'd had to walk back (usually they'd make me walk in the opposite direction). |
| 23:40.21 | HarleyPig | I liked yanking their chains. |
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