| 00:11.02 | HarleyPig | yeah |
| 00:11.07 | HarleyPig | sorry ... rl |
| 00:14.05 | lukfugl | no, the log file hasn't been changed |
| 00:14.33 | lukfugl | I googled a bit and found some ppl with similar problems, but no solution. Apparently it's an apache2 bug |
| 00:15.12 | lukfugl | any modperl errors (compile errors, etc) go to the right place, but runtime stderr goes to the main server error log instead of the vhost error log |
| 00:17.00 | lukfugl | correction, any fatal error goes to the right place, but any non-fatal error output goes to the main server log |
| 00:17.19 | lukfugl | so an incorrect dereference shows up in the right place |
| 00:21.28 | sjansen | In perl, given a partial path, how do I find the complete path? dir1/file1 -> /home/sjansen/dir1/file1 |
| 00:22.36 | sjansen | Or ../www/file1 -> /home/www/file1 |
| 00:28.14 | lukfugl | hmmm |
| 00:28.51 | lukfugl | `pwd` will get the current working directory, but isn't platform-independent |
| 00:29.17 | lukfugl | and there's no easy (as in nice library routine) way that I can find to deal with the ../ situation |
| 00:29.26 | lukfugl | I though there was, but if so, I can't find it now |
| 00:30.08 | sjansen | Score one for Ruby. |
| 00:30.26 | HarleyPig | I believe ... ummm ... bindir? I think. |
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| 00:31.16 | sjansen | Where would that be documented, it's not in perlfunc |
| 00:31.33 | lukfugl | don't think perl will ever have a chance of catching ruby :) |
| 00:31.50 | HarleyPig | nope, not bindir ... it's not a function, it's a module, but I think it's included in the core. |
| 00:33.42 | lukfugl | *maybe* File::Basedir can help, but I'm not sure. My brains a little too tired to make sense of it at the moment. It seems to be limited to going the other direction, from what I can tell |
| 00:38.26 | emcnabb | does anyone here do "consulting" for their main source of income? |
| 00:41.07 | Jayce^ | FindBin (for perl) |
| 00:41.14 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, yeah, technically that's what I do |
| 00:43.51 | sjansen | Jayce^: Not quite. |
| 00:45.32 | Jayce^ | well, what exactly are you trying to do sjansen? |
| 00:45.45 | Jayce^ | because findbin tells you where you are.. |
| 00:46.00 | Jayce^ | so any relative path from there.. |
| 00:46.46 | sjansen | Okay. But it doesn't look like it is available in 5.005_02 |
| 00:46.47 | emcnabb | Jayce^, is it hard for you to say focused, especially when working at home? |
| 00:46.58 | sjansen | focused |
| 00:47.03 | sjansen | focused |
| 00:47.12 | sjansen | Nope, I don't have any problem saying it. |
| 00:47.20 | HarleyPig | His wife and child are always gone ... he has nothing to lose focus over! :> |
| 00:47.27 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 00:50.05 | HarleyPig | wow ... didn't mean to kill the convo! |
| 00:50.50 | Jayce^ | sjansen, ah yes, wasn't in core until 5.6 |
| 00:51.01 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 00:51.45 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, I always have trouble focusing, but that's me :) I actually like it better because I have an easier time jumping between tasks |
| 00:52.34 | Jayce^ | so I can get distracted, have fun, but then work later if I want to |
| 00:54.01 | Jayce^ | and I can do really cool things like sign up for the CTS booth (hint hint...) |
| 00:55.17 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 00:55.48 | emcnabb | yeah, I'm trying to decide what to do when I gradute (yes, there are miracles), and that has come into my mind a lot |
| 00:55.55 | emcnabb | (consulting that is) |
| 00:58.31 | Jayce^ | hard thing with consulting, is it's really, all about the contacts.. |
| 01:02.16 | emcnabb | what's hard about the contracts? |
| 01:02.23 | emcnabb | oh, contacts |
| 01:02.24 | emcnabb | haha |
| 01:02.26 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 01:02.34 | Jayce^ | it's all in who you know |
| 01:02.40 | emcnabb | true |
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| 01:39.09 | Jayce^ | http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/humor/ms-psychic-friends.html |
| 01:39.12 | Jayce^ | quite funny |
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| 05:13.44 | emcnabb | has anyone used AFS before? |
| 05:17.06 | Jayce^ | no, but we were looking at doing it recently |
| 05:17.20 | Jayce^ | were having serious nfs issues.. wound up being hardware though |
| 06:18.05 | asian | perl question... |
| 06:18.35 | asian | well, really its a question about an old c-like function im using in perl |
| 07:57.32 | brailsmt | anyone awake? |
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| 13:28.52 | bonez39 | hallo hans |
| 13:29.03 | bonez39 | how are you today? |
| 13:29.25 | bonez39 | just say, if you get tired of my questions |
| 13:30.10 | bonez39 | I'll be back in 5 |
| 13:48.52 | bonez39 | hola |
| 13:53.26 | hans | here for about 7 minutes mroe, then out most of the day |
| 13:54.11 | bonez39 | ok...any suggestions on changing my screen resolution? ctlr-shft-alt with - or + changes between 600x800 or 480x680 |
| 13:54.14 | bonez39 | it's ugly |
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| 13:56.17 | hans | in X? |
| 13:56.38 | hans | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:57.19 | hans | find the monitor section and comment out any HorizSync or VertRefresh lines |
| 13:57.36 | hans | e.g. there should only be Identifier and perhaps Option "DPMS |
| 13:57.44 | hans | check that that still works |
| 13:58.07 | hans | then if it works but isn't better, look for 800x600 in the file |
| 13:58.12 | hans | it should be something like |
| 13:58.12 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.42 | hans | If it has higher modes on that line, then we have to figure out why it's not using them. if it doesn't, add whichever mode(s) you want and try again |
| 13:59.29 | hans | Failing that, post the output of the following here: |
| 14:00.16 | hans | cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep "^(\(WW\|EE\)" |
| 14:01.14 | hans | also look at the file manually and look for lines like this: (II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range) |
| 14:01.32 | hans | there will be lots. what you want to find is why the modes you want are being disabled. |
| 14:01.52 | bonez39 | thanks...I'll work on these.. |
| 14:03.17 | hans | later |
| 14:03.40 | bonez39 | THANKS |
| 14:11.59 | Hanuman | good morning all |
| 14:20.57 | Hanuman | I am sooo glad xmms finally has a gtk2 frontend |
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| 17:07.37 | Hanuman | it's quiet in here today |
| 17:10.03 | brailsmt | is there an explanation for this linker error... |
| 17:10.13 | brailsmt | /tmp/ccSUYZca.o(.text+0x7b): In function `main': |
| 17:10.13 | brailsmt | : undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 17:10.13 | brailsmt | /tmp/ccSUYZca.o(.text+0x9e): In function `main': |
| 17:10.13 | brailsmt | : undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 17:10.14 | brailsmt | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:11.00 | brailsmt | is my glibc borked? |
| 17:11.37 | Hanuman | weird - never seen that before |
| 17:13.30 | brailsmt | here is the C file... brailsmt.homelinux.org/test.c |
| 17:14.49 | synic | Uh... I'm a c n00b, but you did compile with -lpthread, right? |
| 17:15.22 | sjansen | synic: You beat me to the punch by 5 seconds. |
| 17:15.23 | brailsmt | nope... :| |
| 17:15.41 | sjansen | The pthread stuff is in libpthread, not glibc. |
| 17:15.55 | brailsmt | sjansen: yeah, i should've known that... |
| 17:17.45 | brailsmt | stupid job skills test wants a multi-threaded hello world ansi c program... with synchronization... how stupid can it get? |
| 17:19.12 | brailsmt | s/stupid/contrived |
| 17:20.14 | brailsmt | anyone on a windows machine that can verify that my little multi-threaded hello world program works in windows too? |
| 17:21.32 | sjansen | emcnabb: Well done valiant warrior. Take the battle to the people. Pop must be called by its proper name! Death to the infidels who use any other term. |
| 17:22.00 | brailsmt | wow, sloccount really gives wild cost estimates... this 20 line C file is worth $444 of dev money... |
| 17:22.23 | brailsmt | and it should have taken 3 weeks |
| 17:22.30 | brailsmt | not 10 minutes |
| 17:23.22 | Hanuman | that's if you include testing, and approval process in some companies |
| 17:24.33 | lukfugl | lo |
| 17:24.33 | lukfugl | l |
| 17:24.36 | brailsmt | 3 weeks?!? |
| 17:24.54 | brailsmt | sloccount is best for a good laugh... |
| 17:25.24 | sjansen | Well now if you're talking about a 100,000+ line program, adequately testing those 20 lines could take awhile. |
| 17:25.40 | sjansen | Especially if you have less than competant programmers on your staff. |
| 17:26.24 | brailsmt | sjansen: this is the only file in the source tree... the estimate is a little silly based on that... |
| 17:26.50 | sjansen | yeah, I know |
| 17:27.06 | sjansen | But adding that bit of logic would increase development costs for the tool. |
| 17:27.56 | brailsmt | now i have to read a text file and parse it without using functions from <string>... whee... |
| 17:28.55 | sjansen | What is this for? |
| 17:29.26 | brailsmt | job skills assessment for a job i applied to at monster |
| 17:29.36 | brailsmt | pretty contrived stuff... |
| 17:29.55 | brailsmt | as if i will ever develop something without the use of some string functions... |
| 17:30.54 | lukfugl | thank goodness for state machines and 235, right? |
| 17:31.42 | brailsmt | lukfugl: can you say overkill... thank goodness for strings being char arrays that are null terminated... :) |
| 17:32.36 | lukfugl | heh |
| 17:32.40 | brailsmt | for(idx=0; str[idx] != 0; idx++) { /*code here*/ } |
| 17:32.44 | Hanuman | How in the world do you find a manual download for SP1 for WinXP? - they make it impossible |
| 17:33.14 | brailsmt | and this config file is really simple... |
| 17:33.24 | brailsmt | they give us the config file to use... |
| 17:34.58 | brailsmt | but it is just really contrived... I can never imagine a boss asking me to write a config file parser without using the <string> functions or asking that I write a multi-threaded hello world program... |
| 17:35.11 | brailsmt | ahh... the hoops we must jump through to become employed... |
| 18:00.30 | neybar | sweet, I just found out that xinerama has edge resistance between monitors |
| 18:06.43 | brailsmt | now i can't get this to compile "#include <fstream> int main() { ifstream in("config.txt"); }" it says ifstream undeclared... |
| 18:12.37 | tensai | Hanuman: look for the SP1 for Administrators or something similar |
| 18:13.12 | lukfugl | brailsmt: using namespace std; ? |
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| 18:38.37 | Hanuman | tensai: yeah - I found it - their search is terrible, though |
| 18:47.09 | sjansen | Our systems and security guys are tired of always being blamed for strange problems. Today, I started seeing strange log messages in apache every 30 seconds. This usually means one of the monitoring products we use. I go and ask the guy responsible, and he says he hasn't done anything that should generate the message. I check user histories, etc. (Sure is nice to have root.) Finally, I write a simple tarbaby to catch the resposible program. Sure enou |
| 18:47.10 | sjansen | gh, it was a wonderful CA product stupidly requesting a non-existent resource using the wrong protocol. (Speaking HTTP to 443.) |
| 18:47.44 | sjansen | So he double checks the configuration of the monitoring software. Can't find a reason why it is doing that. |
| 18:47.57 | sjansen | And they wonder why we don't trust the monitoring and security software. |
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| 19:57.45 | bonez39 | hans: back? I think he's back much later, right? |
| 20:20.13 | Jayce^ | wow, interesting job ad on plug |
| 20:22.11 | sjansen | yeah |
| 20:22.41 | Jayce^ | wonder how many takers there will be |
| 20:22.46 | Jayce^ | and what the job is really like |
| 20:26.54 | sjansen | Yeah. |
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| 20:49.04 | neybar | gotta love "entry level positions" and "solidly familiar with" in the same sentance |
| 20:49.59 | neybar | I think what he means is "crappy pay positions for mid level programmers" |
| 20:50.42 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:51.06 | Jayce^ | either we hire you, or some guy in india.. same pay though |
| 20:51.21 | neybar | 5.50 and hour? |
| 20:51.34 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:51.40 | neybar | slave driver free of charge... |
| 20:55.15 | Bradipo | Hmm, I read an interesting article about outsourcing to India. |
| 20:55.44 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 20:56.00 | Bradipo | It was in Network Computing. |
| 21:13.49 | Bradipo | Sorry. |
| 21:14.50 | Bradipo | Got sidetracked. |
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| 23:44.23 | Mecworks | Is there an archive for the plug list? |
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| 23:57.07 | TimRiker | Mecworks: how's the server shipping industry? |