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| 01:28.47 | brailsmt | aren't Ms |\/|? |
| 01:29.30 | brailsmt | ahh, nethack :) |
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| 14:07.32 | Hanuman | gooood morning |
| 14:12.35 | Hanuman | dang it - I missed a Redhat user in need... |
| 14:14.08 | Hanuman | The comments on the Novell /. article are hilarious! |
| 15:13.56 | hans | bonez39: to enable swat you have to edit /etc/inetd.com |
| 15:14.01 | hans | er, /etc/inetd.conf |
| 15:14.17 | hans | look for the line #<off># swat ... and take out the #<off># |
| 15:14.24 | hans | (you're uncommenting the line) |
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| 15:15.06 | hans | iptables has nothing to do with it |
| 15:15.33 | hans | and swat is port 901 |
| 15:15.35 | Jayce^ | hans, does debian run swat on 601? |
| 15:15.43 | Jayce^ | ah, see, I mentioned that last night too |
| 15:15.59 | hans | yeah I read it just now. the marvels of screen :) |
| 15:19.39 | Hanuman | I should have noticed that right off - I thought the 601 looked funny |
| 15:19.50 | Hanuman | been awhile since I used Swat |
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| 15:29.14 | Jayce^ | hey neybar, my friend ben has to work at the adic booth at CTS :) |
| 15:29.17 | Jayce^ | free swag :) |
| 15:33.02 | Hanuman | Is that my cousin-in-law Ben Roper? |
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| 15:46.53 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, yeah |
| 15:48.12 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, just got him addicted to paintball :) |
| 15:49.31 | Hanuman | cool - still have never tried that |
| 15:49.49 | Hanuman | I'm afraid if I got addicted I'd spend too much money |
| 15:50.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, he just dropped a load.. bought just about *everything* he could :) |
| 15:50.24 | Jayce^ | now his stuff is nicer than mine :) |
| 15:51.04 | Hanuman | He's got a pretty nice job now too, from what I hear |
| 15:51.15 | Jayce^ | yeah, adic is treating him way nice |
| 15:51.18 | Hanuman | Hey - they aren't pregnant again are they? |
| 15:51.43 | Hanuman | I'm asking because about every other child in Holly's family is pregnant right now and that would kind of be funny. |
| 15:54.03 | Jayce^ | don't think so |
| 15:55.37 | Hanuman | k - I just thought that would be funny |
| 15:56.41 | Hanuman | She's got 7 kids in her family, 5 are married, and 3 are expecting. Very cool family though. |
| 16:30.53 | Jayce^ | Hanuman had to go bring mono into things :) |
| 16:37.18 | Hanuman | I had to just mention something. I think it's got great potential, and I love the idea, but it will be interesting to see what Microsoft pulls to stop it's production. |
| 16:37.35 | Jayce^ | ahh, just use parrot |
| 16:37.57 | Hanuman | I've learned it doesn't matter what legal ground you have to stand on - what matters is who has more money. |
| 16:38.19 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I dare you to mention that to the list... |
| 16:43.06 | Jayce^ | I'll probably mention it when the new site get's launched.. the current parrotcode site is very out of date |
| 16:43.52 | hans | ok, I need to make a dos boot disk that will give access to a CD (in my CDRW drive preferably) |
| 16:44.14 | hans | dos as in 6.22 or whatever |
| 17:04.47 | Bradipo | Uh-huh. |
| 17:05.06 | Bradipo | We know that you folks secretly have your DoS floppies that turn any PC in the computer labs into a DoS farm. |
| 17:10.14 | hans | ok, so if I take a standard dos 6.22 boot floppy with cdrom support, and make it the el torito part of a CD, I should be able to see the iso9660 filesystem on the rest of the CD right? |
| 17:11.30 | neybar | how can you tell if a hard drive is going bad with linux tools? my coworker's computer seems to require fscking on a fairly frequent basis |
| 17:12.00 | neybar | I haven't had to deal with failing hard drives yet... |
| 17:12.27 | hans | neybar: run fsck with the badblocks option |
| 17:12.31 | emcnabb | does anyone know of any program for windows that will log a user off if they are idle for more than X minutes (we have problems with people leaving their computer in the lab and going to class) |
| 17:12.38 | hans | if it finds badblocks, start thinking about a new drive |
| 17:13.10 | hans | emcnabb: a light calisthenics program will enable you to press the reset button. ;-) |
| 17:13.22 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 17:16.22 | neybar | is aborting fsck bad? |
| 17:17.01 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:17.14 | brailsmt | try it and see... ;) |
| 17:17.16 | brailsmt | no, don't... |
| 17:24.15 | neybar | grr, my boot cd doesn't have the badblocks program on it and I have to umount my disk to fsck it... |
| 17:25.40 | neybar | anyone have a knoppix cd that is near riverwoods in provo? |
| 17:25.57 | hans | neybar: I'm at BYU and have one |
| 17:26.15 | Jayce^ | neybar, the byu, and xmission mirrors :) |
| 17:26.36 | hans | neybar: actually, I think my brother has a copy and he works about a block from riverwoods |
| 17:27.15 | Jayce^ | hans, just tell him to get his butt back in here then.. |
| 17:28.46 | hans | neybar: you also might consider grabbing a copy of flea ftp://uug.byu.edu/ |
| 17:28.55 | hans | great (cli) boot cd |
| 17:28.56 | neybar | what is flea? |
| 17:29.12 | hans | just about any tool you'd need to fix a system |
| 17:29.43 | emcnabb | http://www.petshed.com/advantage.asp |
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| 17:29.58 | neybar | sweet |
| 17:29.59 | lukfugl | neybar: hans says you need a knoppix cd |
| 17:30.14 | lukfugl | I got a 3.3 disk here at work |
| 17:30.22 | neybar | cool |
| 17:30.36 | neybar | I am downloading flea, knoppix would be nice too |
| 17:31.29 | neybar | lukfugl: jason underhill is coming to get that cd |
| 17:31.43 | lukfugl | oh really, you know jason? |
| 17:31.48 | neybar | I work with him |
| 17:31.58 | neybar | his computer is the one that is having the troubles |
| 17:32.02 | lukfugl | I guess he knows the directions -- he used to work here |
| 17:32.13 | neybar | that's what he said |
| 17:32.26 | lukfugl | ok, I'll have the CD ready for him |
| 17:32.31 | neybar | thanks |
| 17:33.14 | lukfugl | if he hasn't left yet, you can just tell him I'm in the cube that used to be Dave Hickenbotham's, and he can walk right in |
| 17:33.17 | hans | wow, twilight zone |
| 17:38.46 | lukfugl | exit |
| 17:38.49 | lukfugl | grr :) |
| 17:38.53 | lukfugl | wrong window |
| 17:39.14 | brailsmt | control-d is faster than typing 'exit' |
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| 17:42.17 | lukfugl | ah -- nice to know; thx, brailsmt |
| 17:42.53 | lukfugl | unfortunately, it doesn't work on gaim windows (but neither does 'exit' ;) ) |
| 18:10.05 | Hanuman | lukfugl: that's why I use screen - ctrl-a, d |
| 18:11.41 | bonez39 | hans: when I clean up /etc/inetd.conf, do I need to run something to register it.... |
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| 18:13.31 | hans | bonez39: shouldn't |
| 18:14.05 | bonez39 | I took the off comment off that line...and saved and closed it...should I now be able to open swat? I try and it still says I can't due to security issues |
| 18:14.44 | hans | what exactly is the error? |
| 18:15.35 | bonez39 | Access to the port number given has been disabled for security reasons. |
| 18:15.59 | bonez39 | that's what the dialogue shows |
| 18:16.45 | hans | bonez39: see INSTALLATION in man swat |
| 18:16.51 | bonez39 | ok |
| 18:16.57 | hans | i guess you do need to restart inetd |
| 18:17.15 | hans | /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 18:18.18 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.27 | bonez39 | I was trying :601 instead of :901 |
| 18:21.44 | bonez39 | hans: now I am in |
| 18:21.57 | hans | ibot, celebrate |
| 18:21.58 | | hans: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:22.27 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:26.31 | bonez39 | here's another question. I am running gnome...everything is huge..fonts..windows, etc..I have tried running xf86config and can't seem to change the resolution |
| 18:27.48 | tensai | to make inetd reload its config give it a SIGHUP: kill -hup $(pidof inetd) |
| 18:28.59 | bonez39 | tensai: here's a dumb question, how do I find the pid list? what's the command to run? |
| 18:29.18 | Hanuman | pidof processname |
| 18:29.25 | Hanuman | or ps -ax |grep processname |
| 18:29.46 | tensai | what do you mean by pid list? |
| 18:30.39 | bonez39 | you just talked about running kill -xxx pid there's something you type to list the pid the id numbers of processes.. |
| 18:30.45 | neybar | hans, can you let your brother know that jason will probably need that disk overnight |
| 18:31.23 | tensai | ps. I usually use ps aux. |
| 18:31.41 | tensai | that'll list all the processes, their pid, who started them, cpu time, etc |
| 18:32.36 | Hanuman | ax is sweet and simple - processname and it's pid |
| 18:33.16 | Hanuman | to kill all instances of processname, use "killall processname" - be careful with that one, though |
| 18:33.45 | hans | neybar: that's fine (my CD) |
| 18:34.17 | bonez39 | tensai: thank you |
| 19:39.13 | Hanuman | man I hate AOL |
| 19:39.37 | Hanuman | XP doesn't remove it entirely, and AOL's support doesn't know how to fix that |
| 19:40.38 | Jayce^ | man I wish I had a dvd burner.. |
| 19:41.57 | Hanuman | me too |
| 19:42.13 | Jayce^ | my media drive is at about 96% capacity.. |
| 19:42.53 | Hanuman | I have a backup drive that is getting near that |
| 19:45.25 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, nice follow up.. was trying to figure out what the guy really needs. |
| 19:45.44 | Jayce^ | sounds like he's probably using the @ in double quotes though |
| 19:45.49 | Jayce^ | should just use singles |
| 19:46.06 | Hanuman | yeah - that was one of my answers for him |
| 19:46.19 | Hanuman | if db, use placeholders |
| 19:46.27 | Jayce^ | oh yeah... love the ? |
| 19:46.31 | Jayce^ | or bind vars.. |
| 19:46.34 | Hanuman | although I can't see how @ would mess something up in the db |
| 19:46.43 | Hanuman | I'm a ? person myself |
| 19:46.48 | Jayce^ | ditto |
| 19:47.24 | Hanuman | In fact I never manually write a value in a QS - I use a ? and write it in the execute |
| 19:47.51 | Hanuman | works great when writing for loops, too |
| 19:47.56 | Jayce^ | i only hard code if it is a fixed value, eg. NOW(), or something that will not change.. |
| 19:48.40 | Hanuman | yeah - I'll write functions into the query - I'm really picky on even constants, though - must be a ? |
| 19:49.03 | Hanuman | I don't know why - just my style I guess |
| 19:56.54 | bonez39 | Hanuman: are you running xchat? how do I get xchat to remember the servers to which I am attached? and connect to those next time I open xchat? |
| 19:57.15 | bonez39 | is that possible? |
| 19:57.47 | sjansen | X-Chat > Server List > Join Channels (plus check "Auto connect at startup") |
| 19:59.14 | bonez39 | that's for channels, how about for servers? |
| 19:59.50 | sjansen | Oh, okay. You want to pick a specific one of the multiple listed.... |
| 20:00.16 | bonez39 | there is no drop down list in my xchat...when I go to Server List | Join Channels |
| 20:00.31 | Jayce^ | bonez39, you running xchat 1 or 2? |
| 20:00.40 | bonez39 | 2.0.2 |
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| 20:03.54 | bonez39 | I am rebooting...back soon.. |
| 20:09.00 | sjansen | We really should be mentoring new developers... I'm reading the code a new hire wrote, mostly unsupervised. |
| 20:10.16 | sjansen | He should have written a single perl script. Instead I'm digging through multiple files to try and figure out why things aren't working... So how did this get into production again? |
| 20:10.32 | sjansen | All C, of course. Because when all you have is a hammer... |
| 20:15.14 | levi | C roxxors, dude |
| 20:15.49 | levi | but only if you can't write in asm |
| 20:17.30 | sjansen | Oh don't get me wrong. I love C. One of my favorite language. But really not appropriate here. |
| 20:18.33 | sjansen | Looks like he wrote it in C to get libxml functionality. Fine, getting the SAs to upgrade Perl or install XML libraries is probably impossible. But the file is so simple it could probably processed with regex. |
| 20:19.11 | sjansen | And he is using a perl. 25 lines of C code (including an unneeded pipe) to run a perl script! |
| 20:25.36 | sjansen | I take back what I said about only having a hammer. |
| 20:26.02 | sjansen | He's using C, libxml, perl, javascript, shell scripts, and I'm not sure what else I'm going to find. |
| 20:26.24 | Hanuman | he could probably do it just as well with a shell script nonetheless from what it sounds like |
| 20:50.49 | Jayce^ | grrr... for some reason my cdburner will only run at single speed since I put it on as a slave device.. |
| 20:51.03 | Jayce^ | it's setup right, detects the correct speed, but burns at single spee |
| 20:51.06 | Jayce^ | speed |
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| 21:10.05 | Hanuman | sure - he thanks Jayce^ when I said it first ;-) |
| 21:10.23 | Hanuman | okay - Jayce^ said it in here first, but that's where I was headed |
| 21:17.40 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:30.43 | Jayce^ | now I gotta wait for stuart to calm down and reply to justin's plug message (throwing C++ into the mix) |
| 21:30.47 | sjansen | Go to www.byu.edu, click on the picture in the upper right corner. |
| 21:30.51 | Jayce^ | 'eh sjansen? |
| 21:31.21 | sjansen | Honestly, what was the first thing that popped into your head? |
| 21:31.40 | HarleyPig | Swift kick |
| 21:31.55 | Jayce^ | gahhh |
| 21:32.15 | Jayce^ | goat____ :D |
| 21:33.26 | HarleyPig | I should have thought of that! |
| 21:34.22 | HarleyPig | Close ... if I'd been standing I would have gone to one knee. |
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| 21:46.49 | asian | hi |
| 21:47.02 | HarleyPig | hi |
| 21:47.07 | asian | anyone here familiar at all/have experience with a chap-secrets file? |
| 21:47.20 | HarleyPig | I do, but I can't talk about it. |
| 21:47.40 | asian | ? |
| 21:47.46 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig has all sorts of secrets involving chaps :D |
| 21:47.51 | asian | =) |
| 21:47.51 | HarleyPig | It's secret. |
| 21:47.52 | asian | haha |
| 21:48.23 | asian | well maybe a hint...i need to write a program that configs a modem connection using pppd and chap-secrets |
| 21:48.43 | asian | but i see a list of usernames a passwords in some example chap-secrets files |
| 21:48.51 | asian | do i prepend my connection? |
| 21:48.53 | Jayce^ | sorry, haven't used that before.. |
| 21:48.56 | asian | or edit the first one |
| 21:49.23 | HarleyPig | I don't have any idea. Have you tried googling? |
| 21:49.48 | asian | yeah, it gives too much info...i can try again |
| 21:59.02 | Jayce^ | wow, glad to know I could never program in the same language as Jonothan Ellis.. |
| 22:00.55 | asian | you guys students of BYU ? |
| 22:01.52 | Jayce^ | a couple guys here are |
| 22:01.57 | Jayce^ | not I though |
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| 22:04.47 | Bradipo | I used to be. |
| 22:05.13 | lukfugl | ditto |
| 22:05.19 | Bradipo | asian: do you have to use chap or is pap an option? |
| 22:05.24 | lukfugl | kinda still am |
| 22:05.28 | lukfugl | but kinda not |
| 22:05.30 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.44 | lukfugl | what would cause a cookie to set fine in mozilla, but not IE? I'm not sure what I'm missing... |
| 22:05.52 | lukfugl | this is the text I'm printing into the header: "Set-Cookie: session_id=124756693; path=/; expires=Thu, 23-Oct-2003 22:55:00 GMT" |
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| 22:07.11 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, you setting that on a normal page, or on an error document? |
| 22:07.14 | HarleyPig | asian: Did you find this? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node121.html |
| 22:08.41 | sjansen | lukfugl: IE can be picky about the syntax it accepts. |
| 22:09.05 | lukfugl | Jayce^: normal page |
| 22:09.33 | sjansen | So, anybody want to give me a regular expression to extract an attribute from an XML tag? |
| 22:09.51 | lukfugl | sjansen: The cookie text is generated by a widely used perl module (CGI::Simple) so I'd trust it to have reliable syntax |
| 22:10.03 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.08 | lukfugl | sjansen: that's a fun one :) |
| 22:10.22 | HarleyPig | uh ... /(use perl XML::Parser)/ |
| 22:10.30 | lukfugl | if it weren't for those durn quotes... |
| 22:10.30 | lukfugl | heh |
| 22:10.42 | sjansen | Sorry guys, I'm not jumping through hopes to get he SAs to install perl modules in production. |
| 22:10.53 | sjansen | Pretend you've got nothing more than an old copy of perl 5. |
| 22:11.25 | tensai | sjansen: start with perl -MCPAN ... :) |
| 22:11.50 | sjansen | tensai: Start with I don't have root and don't want to deal with the issues. Vanilla perl. On HP-UX. |
| 22:11.52 | HarleyPig | sjansen: Don't install it, just use it in your project directory. |
| 22:11.55 | asian | HarleyPig: thanx, i was looking at that one, i hope i can figure out how to 'modify' the file...it explains how its used |
| 22:12.03 | tensai | seriously though, explain a bit more what you want |
| 22:12.06 | tensai | with examples |
| 22:12.16 | asian | i just need to look into it --- it notso clear to me=) |
| 22:12.26 | HarleyPig | asian: Hmmm ... what language are you using? |
| 22:12.33 | asian | c++ |
| 22:12.42 | asian | but im handy with file manip'ing |
| 22:13.20 | lukfugl | simple and nowhere near robust: sub getAttribute { my ($tag, $attribute) = @_; if ($tag =~ /$attribute=("|')([^\1]*?)\1/) { return $2; } else { die "a horrible death"; } } |
| 22:13.25 | sjansen | Given <sometag value1="abc" value2="xyz"> I want to be able to extrax value2 so that $var = 'xyz' |
| 22:13.54 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, that cookie looks fine, can you dump with the rest of the header? |
| 22:14.31 | lukfugl | yeah, just a second |
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| 22:14.41 | HarleyPig | asian: Sorry ... no experience with c++ |
| 22:15.16 | Jayce^ | sjansen, there are pure perl xml parsers on cpan, then you wouldn't even really need to install :) |
| 22:16.00 | sjansen | Is it really that hard to extract an attribute? I want to keep this as simple as possible. |
| 22:16.12 | Jayce^ | use lukfugl's example then :) |
| 22:16.29 | HarleyPig | sjansen: Given *just* the above $var = $tag =~ /.*="(.*?)"/ |
| 22:17.10 | sjansen | Right, but I need to match quotes. |
| 22:17.17 | tensai | sjansen: it's that hard to extract it reliably |
| 22:17.44 | Jayce^ | so you need it not assume valid xml? |
| 22:18.42 | tensai | Jayce^: that's quite an accomplishment. congrats |
| 22:18.56 | HarleyPig | Oh ... try $var = $tag =~ /.*=(['"]?).*?\1/ |
| 22:20.19 | Jayce^ | ooh, nice use of the backref HarleyPig.. |
| 22:20.36 | Jayce^ | you're not as out of practice as you look like :D |
| 22:20.53 | HarleyPig | ummm ... that would be $var = ( $tag =~ /.*=(['"]?).*/\1/)[1] |
| 22:21.05 | HarleyPig | Heh ... thought that first one looked in complete. |
| 22:21.12 | HarleyPig | :] Thanks Jayce^ |
| 22:21.18 | tensai | I don't think regexes can properly handle escaped "s though |
| 22:21.39 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... then whatever the \x value is for ' and " ... it's been awhile. |
| 22:21.43 | lukfugl | but (['"]?) will match '' |
| 22:22.28 | Bradipo | Jayce^: That is quite an accomplishment for sure. |
| 22:22.38 | Bradipo | Especially if you are using openldap. |
| 22:22.40 | lukfugl | and if it matches attrib=value, the second part needs to be whitespace delimited (not .* but \S*) |
| 22:22.46 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, yup.. |
| 22:23.00 | Jayce^ | and using pam to login based off it |
| 22:23.12 | Bradipo | I'm still struggling with it (though I don't dedicate a lot of time to it either). |
| 22:23.20 | Jayce^ | our cluster all uses that, and nfs mounted home dirs.. |
| 22:23.24 | Jayce^ | very very slick |
| 22:23.31 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 22:23.31 | Jayce^ | failover works too |
| 22:23.34 | tensai | Jayce^: are you using SASL or just simple auth? |
| 22:23.43 | Jayce^ | right now simple.. |
| 22:23.48 | tensai | with ssl? |
| 22:23.51 | Jayce^ | was having enough trouble with openldap.. |
| 22:23.58 | Jayce^ | no, just only over a private net.. |
| 22:24.07 | Jayce^ | security comes second :) |
| 22:24.13 | HarleyPig | Security? |
| 22:24.40 | Jayce^ | right now the only security is some basic ACL settings, and having it run on a private network, also behind a PIX |
| 22:24.55 | Jayce^ | otherwise sasl/tls would have been first :) |
| 22:25.07 | tensai | there was a Linux Journal article about doing LDAP over SSL I think last month |
| 22:25.19 | tensai | if you ever get bored with a working system :) |
| 22:25.43 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:25.46 | lukfugl | so { $tag =~ /$attrib=(?:(['"])(.*?)\1/|([^'"]\S*))/; $value = $+; } should do it |
| 22:26.08 | Jayce^ | actually I'm kinda itching to try sasl or tls.. never set them up before.. and would like to know how to doit |
| 22:26.15 | HarleyPig | I need to turn off graphical smileys when talking regexes. |
| 22:26.24 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:26.43 | Bradipo | xchat doesn't have graphical smileys (at least not for me it doesn't). |
| 22:26.48 | Jayce^ | and of course, even better if you use the /x modifier to that regex and add whitespace.. |
| 22:26.57 | Jayce^ | comments.. |
| 22:28.01 | neybar | fsck -c on an 80 gig hard drive takes a while... |
| 22:28.18 | HarleyPig | Uh ... I need to lookup $+ |
| 22:28.19 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 22:28.29 | sjansen | lukfugl: Care to explain to me the magic you're doing there? |
| 22:28.35 | lukfugl | :) |
| 22:28.37 | Bradipo | You should try fsck on a 150GB RAID. |
| 22:29.03 | HarleyPig | Ah... nice. |
| 22:29.09 | lukfugl | sjansen: (?:fred|barney) matches either 'fred' or 'barney' without storing into $1, $2, etc. |
| 22:29.45 | sjansen | Right, but I don't understand the reason for ([^'"]\S*) |
| 22:30.19 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, use /x and newline the elements.. will help sjansen a lot |
| 22:30.31 | tensai | Jayce^: I found those articles. Want I should email you the links? |
| 22:30.41 | Jayce^ | yes, please |
| 22:31.00 | lukfugl | I'm not familiar with /x |
| 22:31.01 | sjansen | You seem to be trying to find an attribute not in quotes. |
| 22:31.20 | sjansen | But, IIRC, valid XML must always have a quote. |
| 22:31.37 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it means capture the non 'or " or whitespace chars |
| 22:32.15 | lukfugl | correct -- I was just correcting HarleyPig's (['"]?), incase you wan't to accept non-well-formed XML that leaves the quotes off |
| 22:32.17 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, doing =~ //x allows you to put whitespace, newlines, and comments into your regex |
| 22:32.26 | Jayce^ | so it becomes readable.. |
| 22:32.55 | lukfugl | I would go with you and say just the first half ( ['"].*?\1 ) if you're not worried about malformed XML :) |
| 22:33.13 | lukfugl | the way I did it the first time |
| 22:33.28 | lukfugl | Jayce^: what syntax? |
| 22:33.32 | neybar | sjansen: what was your original question? |
| 22:33.45 | neybar | I am looking at that regex and trying to figure out the application |
| 22:33.47 | Jayce^ | $foo =~ s/(?: |
| 22:33.48 | Jayce^ | ['"] |
| 22:33.48 | Jayce^ | .*? |
| 22:33.48 | Jayce^ | \1 |
| 22:33.48 | Jayce^ | ) |
| 22:33.48 | Jayce^ | /x; |
| 22:34.08 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: That requires a ' or ". |
| 22:34.30 | Jayce^ | $foo =~ s/(?: # this starts the non-capturing grouping |
| 22:34.32 | lukfugl | /$attribute\s*=\s*("|')([^\1]*?)\1/ |
| 22:34.37 | Jayce^ | that's an example of using a comment in it |
| 22:34.43 | sjansen | Extracting an attribute from an XML tag. |
| 22:34.55 | lukfugl | to amend for whitespace around the = |
| 22:35.05 | neybar | any tag, or just the second pair set? |
| 22:35.36 | lukfugl | /$attribute\s*=\s*(["'])([^\1]*?)\1/ |
| 22:35.53 | lukfugl | sorry -- the [] version is one char longer, but more readable than the | version :) |
| 22:36.11 | Jayce^ | anyways, as always, I'll resuggest what sjansen blew off... use cpan... XML::Simple is my favorite, but you could also use XML::Twig or others |
| 22:39.49 | bonez39 | hans: is hans around? |
| 22:39.55 | HarleyPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.02 | sjansen | I'll think about it. But it's one more way to break. |
| 22:40.07 | HarleyPig | would allow for a non-quoted value. |
| 22:40.17 | sjansen | The first time this has trouble in production, I'll change it, I promise. |
| 22:40.26 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:40.32 | HarleyPig | :D Yeah ... I've heard *that* before! |
| 22:40.39 | Jayce^ | no kidding.. |
| 22:40.52 | Jayce^ | just dont' blame us for "unreadable line noise code".. |
| 22:41.05 | hans | bonez39: headed home now catch me in about an hour |
| 22:41.22 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 22:42.36 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: not quite |
| 22:42.46 | HarleyPig | What'd I miss? |
| 22:43.01 | lukfugl | if a non quoted value is begun, that'll go ahead and read up to the next quoted value |
| 22:43.20 | lukfugl | because the . allows whitespace, and if no quotes are used, whitespace delimits the value |
| 22:43.37 | HarleyPig | boot=/dev/hda |
| 22:43.38 | HarleyPig | crap |
| 22:43.58 | lukfugl | if I supply "attr1=val1 attr2="val2"' then your regex'll match "val1 attr2=" |
| 22:44.37 | lukfugl | (oops, read [^\1] instead of . in the preceding statement) |
| 22:45.22 | HarleyPig | np |
| 22:45.32 | HarleyPig | wrongwindwoagain |
| 22:45.41 | HarleyPig | ahhh my space key stuck |
| 22:46.14 | HarleyPig | hmmm ... good point. |
| 22:46.41 | HarleyPig | So how would you allow for no quotes? or just assume it's b0rken if it's not quoted. |
| 22:48.16 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: I personally would do the latter and only accept well formed XML (although this reges still isn't complete in that case... it doesn't correctly catch "fear_factor='I\'m yellow'", for instance) |
| 22:48.30 | sjansen | Call it broken. I don't care what Larry says, trying to be too liberal in what you accept is dangerous. |
| 22:48.55 | HarleyPig | Sounds good to me. |
| 22:49.29 | lukfugl | Jayce^: using CGI::Simple, how can I supply CGI parameters to the script when running it from command line (in order to grab the headers) |
| 22:49.30 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:49.44 | lukfugl | sjansen: agreed |
| 22:49.44 | Jayce^ | according to xml, it's broken, so call it such |
| 22:50.01 | HarleyPig | lukfugl: It should be the same as CGI. |
| 22:50.13 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: then how do I do so with CGI.pm? :) |
| 22:50.21 | HarleyPig | Oh ... sorry. |
| 22:50.24 | lukfugl | np |
| 22:50.32 | HarleyPig | cgi_app.pl name=value name=value |
| 22:50.57 | Jayce^ | lemme find a page a friend did.. you supply the page/params, it fetches it and gives you all that stuff |
| 22:52.18 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: didn't work :( |
| 22:52.30 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... maybe not. I thought it was inherited from CGI. |
| 22:52.34 | HarleyPig | Turns out it'sn ot. |
| 22:52.51 | lukfugl | Jayce^: won't help -- the page isn't visible outside my local net |
| 22:53.02 | lukfugl | still in production environment |
| 22:53.20 | lukfugl | err, development :) production means something else in software circles :) |
| 22:54.01 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:54.31 | lukfugl | ah, need to set the -debug pragma when "use"ing CGI::Simple |
| 22:54.55 | lukfugl | default is to use the "-no_debug" pragma, which "turns off the command-line processing features" |
| 22:55.41 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 22:55.58 | HarleyPig | lukfugl: nevermnd ... you found it. |
| 22:55.59 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 22:57.52 | lukfugl | ok, Jayce^, full headers coming up: |
| 22:58.01 | Jayce^ | http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/23/offbeat.boys.viagra.prank.reut/index.html |
| 22:58.19 | lukfugl | Set-Cookie: session_id=595075133; path=/; expires=Thu, 23-Oct-2003 23:49:14 GMT |
| 22:58.25 | lukfugl | Status: 302 Redirect |
| 22:58.31 | lukfugl | Location: index.i |
| 22:58.36 | Jayce^ | there you go |
| 22:58.37 | lukfugl | (then another newline) |
| 22:58.37 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I heard about that. |
| 22:58.44 | sjansen | When I got to work today, I really didn't want to be here. I was going to leave early. Then I got a job that could be done in perl and now I don't mind staying late. |
| 22:58.46 | Jayce^ | LOL.. you guys are still using .i !!!! |
| 22:58.46 | HarleyPig | ? index.i |
| 22:58.55 | Jayce^ | thought vermotion would have finally switched.. :) |
| 22:58.56 | lukfugl | Jayce^: yup :) |
| 22:58.57 | HarleyPig | I just found out about it. |
| 22:59.01 | Jayce^ | .i == infogenix code.. |
| 22:59.03 | HarleyPig | Oh ... that explains it. |
| 22:59.07 | Jayce^ | stuff we wrote in the day.. |
| 22:59.09 | lukfugl | really? lol |
| 22:59.19 | Jayce^ | and you will now get to know HarleyPig (who just started there) |
| 22:59.23 | lukfugl | I always wonders what that extension was supposed to mean |
| 22:59.37 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. it's funny how many places in the valley now use that stuff because matt's broken out and sold it out.. |
| 23:00.16 | lukfugl | We're actually E-Promo now, run by JR (Matt's brother) |
| 23:00.25 | HarleyPig | When I found out about it makes me want to make all my extension hjp |
| 23:00.33 | lukfugl | And my little brother is doing custom work for yet another of the Cook brethren |
| 23:00.53 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, yeah, e-promo was the name they used for the product when they started working together.. |
| 23:00.59 | lukfugl | I know |
| 23:01.21 | Jayce^ | my brother and friends are infogenix.. |
| 23:01.29 | Jayce^ | I've worked with them many times |
| 23:01.32 | lukfugl | I was the first new programmer Matt brought on after you guys split :) |
| 23:01.38 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 23:01.51 | Jayce^ | anyways, the problem is setting a cookie in a redirect.. IE dont' like that.. |
| 23:01.58 | Jayce^ | it's considered by them an error code.. |
| 23:02.12 | Jayce^ | googling should show you some stuff with that. |
| 23:02.21 | lukfugl | I see -- how do I get around that (I thought that's the way all our other login pages were doing it ... ?) |
| 23:03.02 | lukfugl | I guess I could print out a page with a Javascript 'redirect' on it, but that seems like an ugly hack |
| 23:03.02 | Jayce^ | well, you using mod_perl? or just cgi? |
| 23:03.07 | lukfugl | modperl |
| 23:03.15 | Jayce^ | ahh, you can do more with that.. |
| 23:03.24 | Jayce^ | mod_perl list has several examples.. |
| 23:03.30 | lukfugl | please enlighten me :) |
| 23:03.46 | Jayce^ | course I'd suggest checking into Apache::AuthCookie :) |
| 23:04.04 | Jayce^ | basiclay by using handlers in the Auth phases, you can handle it better.. |
| 23:04.19 | Jayce^ | but that's something that might be more of a change than you want with your existing codebase |
| 23:04.57 | sjansen | IE shouldn't have any problem setting a cookie in a redirect. It happens all the time here. |
| 23:05.23 | lukfugl | Maybe I have to put the cookie after the status, rather than before? |
| 23:05.42 | Jayce^ | shouldn't, yes, but does many times, unless you really make it happy |
| 23:05.48 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, yes |
| 23:05.56 | lukfugl | let me try that |
| 23:06.20 | sjansen | It's probably just an order issue or something like lukfugl said 'cause we do it all the time without any trouble. |
| 23:06.55 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yes, you have to do it exactly right for cookies to work on redirects with IE.. |
| 23:07.26 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, how are you forming your header? |
| 23:07.33 | Jayce^ | manually, or with your cgi |
| 23:07.34 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 23:09.02 | lukfugl | Jayce^: mixed... I print out all the header information line by line, but for the cookies, the line I print is generated from $q->cookie(...)->as_string |
| 23:09.50 | HarleyPig | Seems kind of wasted effort ... why not make $q build all your headers for you? It'll print them in the right order for you. |
| 23:10.20 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 23:10.30 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: just cause it was what I was used to -- I never used CGI.pm to build/print the page or headers, just to get the input |
| 23:10.44 | lukfugl | I should probably learn to use CGI for the headers |
| 23:12.18 | lukfugl | for another thing, I'm doing each part of the headers in different places. The cookies are printed out in either Client::login() or Session->authorize() (which checks the cookies to see if they're logged in and renews the cookie after successful authorization) |
| 23:12.41 | lukfugl | while the redirects or content-type headers are printed elsewhere in the code. |
| 23:13.03 | lukfugl | The only guarantee I have on order is that the headers won't follow the actual content :) |
| 23:13.35 | Jayce^ | well, if in each of those places, you just populate your variable as necessary, when you do your actual headers out it will do them right |
| 23:14.08 | lukfugl | Then I have to start passing $q around though... |
| 23:14.53 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:15.09 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 23:15.14 | HarleyPig | I understand. |
| 23:16.07 | lukfugl | well, I guess I'll start restructuring to have CGI do all my headers for me :) |
| 23:17.38 | lukfugl | does this sound like a good idea to you: |
| 23:18.03 | lukfugl | in my util package, I add the following code... |
| 23:18.20 | lukfugl | use vars { $cgi_query }; |
| 23:18.37 | lukfugl | sub get_cgi_query { |
| 23:19.04 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.09 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.12 | lukfugl | } |
| 23:19.35 | lukfugl | END { $cgi_query = undef; } # make sure we start fresh with each script |
| 23:19.58 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but sub get_cgi_query { return $cgi_query ? $cgi_query : new CGI::Simple } would be simpler |
| 23:20.26 | HarleyPig | woops ... |
| 23:20.29 | lukfugl | HarleyPig: except that doesn't catch it for future uses |
| 23:20.34 | lukfugl | :) |
| 23:20.44 | HarleyPig | sub get_cgi_query { return $cgi_query ? c |
| 23:20.51 | HarleyPig | stoopid enter key |
| 23:21.12 | lukfugl | then I can just grab my singleton query variable from the util package everywhere without making it global or needing to pass it around |
| 23:21.28 | HarleyPig | yeah ... that'll work. |
| 23:21.56 | lukfugl | thx |
| 23:22.04 | HarleyPig | sub get_cgi_query { return $cgi_query ? $cgi_query : $cgi_query = new CGI::Simple } |
| 23:22.23 | HarleyPig | I believe that'll return the correct variable. |
| 23:22.40 | lukfugl | should, but I'll leave it spread out, for maintenance's sake :) |
| 23:23.06 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 23:32.06 | lukfugl | how in the world do I send STDERR from the script to the server error log? I'm used to littering my development code with warns in order to get debug output, and can't do that right now |
| 23:32.50 | lukfugl | my warns just seem to go to /dev/null for all I can tell |
| 23:33.05 | Jayce^ | uh, that would be default.. |
| 23:33.32 | lukfugl | Jayce^: what's the default? what I have, or what I want? |
| 23:33.33 | Jayce^ | unless STDERR is being redirected (it's just a filehandle, you can put it anywhere).. or if your apache is misconfigured.. |
| 23:33.54 | Jayce^ | default under apache is STDERR goes to the error log for your virtual host |
| 23:34.31 | lukfugl | apache2 -- I don't remember any directive that advertised that behavior being set by me |
| 23:35.16 | Jayce^ | what's the virtual host have for the error log value? |
| 23:35.37 | lukfugl | what's "LogLevel warn" do? That was in the default apache2.conf gentoo gave me |
| 23:36.37 | Jayce^ | hrmm. that could be an issue.. |
| 23:37.05 | Jayce^ | apache has several log levels... trivial, warn, ... all the way to super critical (I forget the real names).. |
| 23:37.17 | Jayce^ | it could be tuned to ignore the warns and such.. |
| 23:37.28 | Jayce^ | that's an apache2 thing |
| 23:37.40 | Jayce^ | appears that maybe they've got that set higher than you want |
| 23:37.41 | lukfugl | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 23:37.41 | lukfugl | ServerName myserver.com |
| 23:37.41 | lukfugl | DocumentRoot /path/to/document/root |
| 23:37.41 | lukfugl | Alias /icons/ /path/to/icons/folder/ |
| 23:37.41 | lukfugl | Setenv VLOG /path/to/logs/folder |
| 23:37.43 | lukfugl | ErrorLog /path/to/logs/folder/error_log |
| 23:37.46 | lukfugl | </VirtualHost> |
| 23:38.18 | lukfugl | where the logs folder is unique to this virtual host |
| 23:38.31 | tyce | debian question |
| 23:38.34 | tyce | debian-30r1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
| 23:38.55 | tyce | is that whats the difference between that and one that may say US |
| 23:40.35 | tensai | nonus contains things that aren't freely distributable inside the us |
| 23:40.48 | tensai | crypto code, patented stuff |
| 23:41.41 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, can't remember what VLOG is, so wonder if that's messing you up |
| 23:44.22 | Jayce^ | bbiab.. dinner |
| 23:44.30 | lukfugl | SetEnv just sets environment variables, so it's setting $ENV{VLOG}='/path/to/logs/folder' |
| 23:45.32 | HarleyPig | lukfugl: has the file been deleted and manually restored? That will sometimes cause wierd things like this. |
| 23:47.17 | lukfugl | what file, the log file? |