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| 14:24.25 | Hanuman | Good Morning. |
| 14:32.46 | hans | is get with https secure? i.e. if I do https://username:password@members.dyndns.org/nic/update?... is username:password protected? |
| 14:48.34 | Hanuman | Not sure - good question, though. I've never really thought of that. |
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| 16:24.59 | sjansen | In perl, how do I embed a multi-line string in a print? |
| 16:25.24 | neybar | there are several ways... |
| 16:25.28 | sjansen | Something like here documents in shell scripting. |
| 16:26.00 | neybar | my $somevar = qq{ |
| 16:26.02 | neybar | line |
| 16:26.07 | neybar | }; |
| 16:26.12 | neybar | print $somevar |
| 16:26.22 | neybar | you can also do here docs |
| 16:27.26 | sjansen | neybar: I love you, you're beautiful, don't ever change. |
| 16:27.32 | neybar | my $somevar = <<END; |
| 16:27.33 | neybar | line |
| 16:27.38 | neybar | END |
| 16:28.50 | neybar | print <<END etc etc etc :-) |
| 16:36.05 | Hanuman | neybar: can't you just do: |
| 16:36.10 | Hanuman | print <<END; |
| 16:36.11 | Hanuman | line |
| 16:36.12 | Hanuman | line |
| 16:36.15 | Hanuman | END |
| 16:36.27 | Hanuman | and save yoruself some memory |
| 16:36.40 | neybar | sure, that was my last suggestion |
| 16:37.00 | Hanuman | oops - didn't read that one |
| 16:37.48 | sjansen | I ended up with print qq{}; 'cause I suspect my co-workers'll be able to understand that one. |
| 16:46.02 | Jayce^ | sjansen, remember, if you don't need interpolation, just do q{...} (single quote)... |
| 16:46.19 | Jayce^ | and {} can be any char you want it to be, if you need something else for your style |
| 16:51.08 | sjansen | Thanks. |
| 16:55.21 | hans | http://www.hp.com/calculators/articles/49gpluspr.html |
| 16:58.21 | sjansen | You've got this thing for calculators, haven't you? |
| 17:02.11 | hans | sjansen: i just haven't unsubscribed from the hp48 newsgroup ;-) |
| 17:02.44 | hans | actually, a lot of the people on that newsgroup think the 49(whatever) is trash compared to the 48. |
| 17:02.53 | Hanuman | hey - if you're going to have a calculator, may as well have the best |
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| 17:28.31 | Bradipo | Hehe, I used to play columns in physics. |
| 17:28.46 | Bradipo | Didn't have Joust. |
| 17:28.59 | Jayce^ | joust was my favorite hp game |
| 17:31.59 | levi | Mmm, yes, joust was good. |
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| 17:41.16 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, that design doesn't render too well in konq |
| 17:55.20 | brailsmt | my favorite though was a game called pheonix |
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| 18:02.17 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I noticed that the other day |
| 18:02.27 | Hanuman | Works great in Mozilla and IE, though |
| 18:02.40 | Hanuman | I think it's the font size that Konq uses by default |
| 18:03.23 | Jayce^ | well, the center column doesn't start the text until after the two side columns end |
| 18:18.13 | Hanuman | yeah - did that in my version of konq too |
| 18:18.19 | Hanuman | It does that if the font is too big |
| 18:18.28 | Hanuman | wonder if konq isn't recognizing all the css |
| 18:18.45 | sjansen | I think it's funny that OSS links to the FSF. I don't think either group would like that. |
| 18:19.08 | Hanuman | I'll have to see if I can get it to work under konq too |
| 18:19.17 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah - I kind of just threw that link in there |
| 18:19.23 | Hanuman | I ought to take it out anyway |
| 18:19.48 | Hanuman | I was just messing with finding content to put in there for now |
| 18:20.58 | sjansen | Definetly a konq CSS bug. |
| 18:21.03 | Hanuman | I'm still shaking my head at that MATLOCK guy's response - not sure what he was talking about there |
| 18:21.17 | sjansen | The floats should have been taken out of the flow. |
| 18:21.37 | Hanuman | sjansen: what do you mean? |
| 18:22.49 | sjansen | When konq calculates the position of the center column, it should ignore the left and right columns. |
| 18:24.34 | sjansen | What I suggest using position:relative on bottomhalf to reset the flow. Put middlecol first in the page, then use position:absolute for leftcol and rightcol. |
| 18:25.32 | sjansen | There's some IE bugs with absolute positioning. For leftcol, you'll want just "top:0" not "top:0; left:0" |
| 18:26.09 | sjansen | Not sure about rightcol. |
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| 18:26.30 | sjansen | I also don't have access to IE 5.5 so I don't know if it has extra bugs. (probably) |
| 18:27.03 | sjansen | Or you could just file a bug report with konqueror's developers. (What I'd do. ;-) |
| 18:30.03 | Hanuman | k - I think if it doesn't work in someone's browser they can update to the latest version, but I'll figure something out with konq - thanks for the help |
| 18:31.22 | retina | here's a trival question, but it's one that challenges me. How do I find a file on my system? I have used 'locate' in the past, but it shows files, which when I navigate to where it shows they should exist, there is nothing there. |
| 18:31.38 | retina | does that make sense? |
| 18:31.46 | Bradipo | The locate database must not be updated. |
| 18:31.57 | Bradipo | Normally it runs either once a day or once a week. |
| 18:32.18 | Bradipo | So if the file has been deleted, then it is possible that it will still show up in the locate database but not exist on the filesystem anymore. |
| 18:32.34 | retina | how do I update the locate database? that's local to my system, right? |
| 18:32.46 | Hanuman | retina: locate -u |
| 18:32.56 | retina | or find? is that one to look for files/ similar to dir in dos? |
| 18:33.10 | Hanuman | locate is much faster if your db is up to date |
| 18:33.23 | Hanuman | I've had to create a cron to run locate nightly on some systems I've had |
| 18:38.34 | retina | Hanuman: ok, it shows some options..not sure what to enter with that... |
| 18:38.53 | retina | it's finding that db that is the problem for me...not sure where it is or what it is called |
| 18:42.20 | Hanuman | when you do "locate -u" what does it do? |
| 18:43.23 | retina | scott:/home/scott# locate -u |
| 18:43.23 | retina | locate: invalid option -- u |
| 18:43.23 | retina | Usage: locate [-d path | --database=path] [-e | --existing] |
| 18:43.23 | retina | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.23 | retina | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.23 | retina | Report bugs to <bug-findutils@gnu.org>. |
| 18:43.27 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.32 | brailsmt | argh... |
| 18:43.43 | retina | brailsmt: me too...since I was born..;) |
| 18:44.06 | retina | eh? |
| 18:44.13 | brailsmt | or OP for Ocular Property |
| 18:44.14 | retina | law? suit? ... |
| 18:44.36 | retina | > dons his anti suit and anti attorney suit.......... |
| 18:45.04 | retina | Hanuman: so my version of locate doesn't say much about the database.. |
| 18:45.30 | retina | I'll be back in 5... |
| 18:47.01 | Hanuman | must be a weird Debian version then ;-) |
| 18:47.39 | Hanuman | retina: what does locate --version give you? |
| 19:28.06 | retina | Hanuman: locate --version says 4.1.20 |
| 19:34.38 | Hanuman | weird - mine says: |
| 19:34.39 | Hanuman | Secure Locate 2.6 - Released May 21, 2001 |
| 19:35.26 | Hanuman | I think mine must be symlinked to slocate or something. |
| 19:47.55 | Jayce^ | I gotta agree with gary on that timestamp thing on uug.. |
| 19:48.09 | Jayce^ | I dont' see that as a "mysql gotcha".. but as a desireable field type |
| 19:54.43 | retina | Hanuman: maybe I should install slocate then..if that works better. |
| 20:00.07 | Hanuman | yeah - I think it's called slocate at least. That's what I recall. |
| 20:02.47 | retina | ok... |
| 20:04.47 | sjansen | Jayce^: When I think timestamp, I think a static field with high resolution. |
| 20:05.20 | sjansen | It might be a nice feature, but I don't like the name. |
| 20:06.24 | tensai | especially since timestamp is such a field in other rdbmses |
| 20:06.25 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it has the same resolutions as the datetime filed, just the added trigger |
| 20:07.34 | Hanuman | I think Mysql is the Perl of dbms's |
| 20:08.05 | sjansen | Strange, I think of Perl as the Oracle of scripting languages. |
| 20:08.17 | Jayce^ | I'd relate to sjansen's more.. |
| 20:08.22 | Hanuman | Depends on what you think of Perl |
| 20:08.34 | Jayce^ | mysql is cool, but I wouldn't rate it near perl :) |
| 20:09.00 | sjansen | Nah. Perl is the biggest, hardest to use, most powerful. |
| 20:09.00 | Hanuman | I like oracle, but Mysql has some features that make it very fast and easy to work with |
| 20:09.15 | Jayce^ | wouldn't say hardest to use, just most to learn... |
| 20:09.29 | sjansen | Same thing. |
| 20:09.30 | Jayce^ | perl can be as easy as mysql, or feature filled as oracle. |
| 20:09.39 | Hanuman | Jayce^: that's true |
| 20:09.56 | Hanuman | Maybe someone just needs to create a dbms like Perl |
| 20:10.29 | sjansen | I'd call MySQL the Python of dms. Kinda okay, but more popular than it deserves to be. |
| 20:10.45 | tensai | Hanuman: you can use pl/perl in postgres. is that close enough? |
| 20:27.13 | retina | here's another question: I run gnome and have installed gnucash. I want to run gnucash..I type simply gnucash at the prompt and NOTHING happens. |
| 20:27.59 | Hanuman | tensai: I guess I'm talking about overall use of it, not just coding (in theory) |
| 20:28.16 | Hanuman | retina: is gnucash in your PATH? |
| 20:28.34 | Hanuman | do a locate on gnucash (if you got locate working) and find out where it is |
| 20:28.57 | retina | not sure, if it's in the PATH..I need to find gnucash.bin, right? |
| 20:31.38 | tensai | retina: no, just gnucash |
| 20:32.00 | retina | ok.. |
| 20:32.36 | retina | ok, now I am getting somewhere; it replies with scott:/etc# gnucash |
| 20:32.36 | retina | ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in ("/usr/share/guile" "/usr/share/gnucash/guile-modules" "/usr/share/gnucash/scm" "" "/usr/share/guile/site" "/usr/share/guile/1.6" "/usr/share/guile" ".") |
| 20:32.36 | retina | \ |
| 20:37.33 | retina | tensai: that's what it responds with now. |
| 20:40.08 | Hanuman | the easiest way would be to find slib/require.scm and create a symlink to it from one of those directories I would think. Not sure, though. |
| 20:40.15 | Hanuman | Do you have the latest version of gnucash? |
| 20:41.36 | retina | Hanuman: yeah, I believe so... |
| 20:41.52 | retina | ok....I'll try the symlink solution first |
| 20:42.53 | Hanuman | if that doesn't work, you can try an older version of gnucash. How did you originally install gnucash? From a deb or source? |
| 20:43.30 | retina | apt-get |
| 20:44.06 | Hanuman | k - not sure then. I'm not very familiar with Debian and the way it's setup. |
| 20:45.00 | retina | ok....thanks anyway |
| 20:45.54 | Hanuman | If you ever decide to try Redhat, I can usually help you there |
| 20:48.22 | retina | ok |
| 20:52.29 | Hanuman | Just don't ask for my help on Solaris |
| 20:53.20 | retina | Hanuman: ok, let's say I want to make the symlink to resolve my slib/require.scm woes.. |
| 20:53.52 | Hanuman | ln -s /path/to/original /path/to/symlinkfile |
| 20:53.55 | retina | here's the full text of the places looking for slib/require.scm |
| 20:54.24 | retina | ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in ("/usr/share/guile" "/usr/share/gnucash/guile-modules" "/usr/share/gnucash/scm" "" "/usr/share/guile/site" "/usr/share/guile/1.6" "/usr/share/guile" ".") |
| 20:54.24 | retina | scott:/etc# |
| 20:54.58 | retina | I find it in /usr/share/slib.. so I know it's there on my system.. |
| 20:55.17 | Hanuman | try this: |
| 20:55.32 | Hanuman | mkdir /usr/share/guile/slib |
| 20:55.41 | retina | ok.. |
| 20:56.00 | Hanuman | ln -s /usr/share/slib/require.scm /usr/hare/guile/slib/require.scm |
| 20:57.08 | retina | Hanuman: well that linked the files, now I am on to other problems..hehe, anyway, that worked for that step |
| 20:58.30 | Hanuman | sounds like your version of gnucash has some problems with your version of debian for one reason or another |
| 20:58.41 | Hanuman | that or something else that was installed on the system. |
| 20:58.52 | retina | yeah, that's what it's looking like |
| 21:00.06 | Hanuman | well, time to go home - cya later |
| 21:00.47 | retina | later |
| 21:12.05 | hans | trivia time |
| 21:12.22 | retina | hi hans |
| 21:12.27 | hans | did you know that Gangsta's Paradise is actually a cover of a Stevie Wonder song: Pastime Paradise? |
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| 21:31.41 | hans | music lovers: http://home.mit.bme.hu/~markus/projects/organ/demos/ruf_simu_full.mp3 |
| 21:32.08 | hans | would you believe that is not an organ at all, but synthesized? |
| 21:36.55 | retina | hans: wish I could listen..I get a message when I boot up...that my sound doesn't work..any suggestions on things to check? I am running gnome now..sound worked fine before with old installation.. |
| 21:37.13 | retina | retina=bonez39=Dr. Jones : fyi |
| 21:40.27 | hans | retina: first check that the module for your sound card is loaded. if not, try to load it. if you can't, figure out why. |
| 21:41.19 | retina | ok....thanks |
| 21:42.24 | retina | my soundcard is a creative labs soundblaster, awe 64 if I am not mistaken..I see a module 'soundcore' which lsmod shows loaded |
| 21:42.54 | hans | the module that should be loaded is probably sb |
| 21:43.08 | hans | and do you remember exactly what the error was? was ALSA involved? |
| 21:43.27 | hans | what kernel are you running? (uname -a) |
| 21:43.37 | hans | (and is that the kernel you want to be running?) |
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| 21:48.41 | hans | off to class |
| 21:49.15 | retina | 2.4.22, yes |
| 21:49.18 | retina | anyway, catch ya later.. |
| 21:49.26 | retina | no ALSA involvement |
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| 22:35.46 | tyce | quiet in here the past few days |
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