| 00:03.42 | brailsmt | ruby? |
| 00:03.50 | brailsmt | probably |
| 00:04.06 | brailsmt | thx, so either sqlite or bdb |
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| 00:52.29 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, another voice for sqlite |
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| 02:52.24 | tyce | anyone home? |
| 02:52.31 | jalance_ | yes |
| 02:53.02 | tyce | do you know hwat the package name for dig is for debian? |
| 02:53.20 | jalance_ | wouldn't that be a part of bind? |
| 02:54.05 | tyce | is there not a stand alone package for it? |
| 02:54.17 | jalance_ | not sure |
| 02:54.33 | Bradipo | bind-utils maybe? |
| 02:54.42 | Bradipo | bind is usually the daemon. |
| 02:54.51 | tyce | yeah, I guess thats what I have to get |
| 02:54.58 | Bradipo | bind-utils usually defines the client side utilities. |
| 02:55.06 | Bradipo | But I don't know if that is what debian calls it. |
| 02:55.18 | Bradipo | Isn't there an apt-cache search thing? |
| 02:55.29 | Bradipo | Where you can search for the name bind... |
| 02:59.31 | tyce | huh |
| 03:00.39 | tyce | do you have it installed? |
| 03:01.07 | jalance_ | I do, but I am using a Mandrake system so the packaging is completely different |
| 03:01.40 | tyce | if so can you do a 'dig leaderx.com mx' for me? |
| 03:02.03 | jalance_ | what do you want to know? |
| 03:02.50 | jalance_ | here comes the output... |
| 03:02.52 | jalance_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.52 | jalance_ | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 03:02.52 | jalance_ | ;; Got answer: |
| 03:02.52 | jalance_ | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24004 |
| 03:02.52 | jalance_ | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 16 |
| 03:02.55 | jalance_ | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 03:02.57 | jalance_ | ;leaderx.com. IN MX |
| 03:03.01 | jalance_ | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 03:03.03 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN MX 5 mx2.business.mindspring.com. |
| 03:03.05 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN MX 5 mx3.business.mindspring.com. |
| 03:03.07 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN MX 5 mx4.business.mindspring.com. |
| 03:03.09 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN MX 5 mx5.business.mindspring.com. |
| 03:03.11 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN MX 5 mx1.business.mindspring.com. |
| 03:03.15 | jalance_ | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 03:03.19 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN NS speakeasy.mspring.net. |
| 03:03.21 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN NS hearsay.mspring.net. |
| 03:03.23 | jalance_ | leaderx.com. 17854 IN NS rumor.mspring.net. |
| 03:03.27 | jalance_ | ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: |
| 03:03.29 | jalance_ | mx2.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.69 |
| 03:03.31 | jalance_ | mx2.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.70 |
| 03:03.33 | jalance_ | mx2.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.71 |
| 03:03.35 | jalance_ | mx2.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.68 |
| 03:03.37 | jalance_ | mx2.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.67 |
| 03:03.39 | jalance_ | mx3.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.67 |
| 03:03.41 | jalance_ | mx3.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.68 |
| 03:03.43 | jalance_ | mx3.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.70 |
| 03:03.45 | jalance_ | mx3.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.71 |
| 03:03.47 | jalance_ | mx3.business.mindspring.com. 2231 IN A 198.185.2.69 |
| 03:03.51 | jalance_ | mx4.business.mindspring.com. 2233 IN A 198.185.2.71 |
| 03:03.53 | jalance_ | mx4.business.mindspring.com. 2233 IN A 198.185.2.70 |
| 03:03.55 | jalance_ | mx4.business.mindspring.com. 2233 IN A 198.185.2.67 |
| 03:03.57 | jalance_ | mx4.business.mindspring.com. 2233 IN A 198.185.2.68 |
| 03:03.59 | jalance_ | mx4.business.mindspring.com. 2233 IN A 198.185.2.69 |
| 03:04.01 | jalance_ | speakeasy.mspring.net. 12200 IN A 207.69.231.2 |
| 03:04.06 | jalance_ | ;; Query time: 2234 msec |
| 03:04.07 | jalance_ | ;; SERVER: 216.148.227.68#53(216.148.227.68) |
| 03:04.09 | jalance_ | ;; WHEN: Thu Oct 16 21:01:52 2003 |
| 03:04.11 | jalance_ | ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 482 |
| 03:04.19 | tyce | just trying to test from outside sources |
| 03:04.22 | tyce | if it returns mx records for that domain |
| 03:07.04 | tyce | huh |
| 03:07.08 | tyce | thats strange |
| 03:09.04 | tensai | tyce: dig is in the dnsutils |
| 03:12.21 | hans | brailsmt: sqlite works super great for that sort of thing, and even outperforms mysql/postgres in some practical situations |
| 03:13.00 | hans | brailsmt: and ruby supports it quite well. I use the SQLite DBD for libdbi |
| 03:23.32 | Bradipo | Man. |
| 03:23.36 | Bradipo | BIND output sucks. |
| 03:24.36 | Bradipo | Here is the same query by a more intelligent utility: |
| 03:24.39 | Bradipo | [andyb@laptop:fangorn andyb]$ dnsqr mx leaderx.com |
| 03:24.39 | Bradipo | 15 leaderx.com: |
| 03:24.39 | Bradipo | 149 bytes, 1+5+0+0 records, response, noerror |
| 03:24.39 | Bradipo | query: 15 leaderx.com |
| 03:24.40 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21596 MX 5 mx3.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:24.41 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21596 MX 5 mx4.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:24.43 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21596 MX 5 mx5.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:24.45 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21596 MX 5 mx1.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:24.47 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21596 MX 5 mx2.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:24.52 | Bradipo | And if you are using the even more terse tool: |
| 03:25.07 | Bradipo | [andyb@laptop:fangorn andyb]$ dnsmx leaderx.com |
| 03:25.08 | Bradipo | 5 mx3.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:25.08 | Bradipo | 5 mx4.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:25.08 | Bradipo | 5 mx5.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:25.08 | Bradipo | 5 mx1.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:25.09 | Bradipo | 5 mx2.business.mindspring.com |
| 03:29.28 | tensai | Bradipo: are those tools part of djbdns? |
| 03:37.20 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 03:37.22 | Bradipo | They are. |
| 03:41.38 | tyce | if you want to see something even stranger, try getting leaderx.com's nameserver info |
| 03:41.49 | tyce | with different methods |
| 03:42.09 | tyce | Im either seeing earthlink.net or mspring.net depending on teh method I use |
| 03:43.10 | tyce | my guess would be that he is in the midst of changing nameservers |
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| 03:50.36 | Bradipo | Let's see... |
| 03:50.54 | Bradipo | I get three from my cache: |
| 03:51.03 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 20004 NS speakeasy.mspring.net |
| 03:51.03 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 20004 NS hearsay.mspring.net |
| 03:51.03 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 20004 NS rumor.mspring.net |
| 03:51.36 | Bradipo | The GTLD servers only give out two: |
| 03:51.42 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 172800 NS hearsay.earthlink.net |
| 03:51.42 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 172800 NS speakeasy.earthlink.net |
| 03:52.07 | Bradipo | If I ask one of those I get three: |
| 03:52.12 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21600 NS rumor.mspring.net |
| 03:52.12 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21600 NS speakeasy.mspring.net |
| 03:52.13 | Bradipo | answer: leaderx.com 21600 NS hearsay.mspring.net |
| 03:52.21 | Bradipo | So, it simply looks like they have screwy DNS that's all. |
| 03:54.28 | Bradipo | The following shows that they do indeed have some problems: |
| 03:54.31 | Bradipo | http://www.zonecut.net/dns/index.cgi?domain=leaderx.com |
| 03:55.16 | Bradipo | Hopefully he is changing registrars... |
| 03:55.19 | Bradipo | Not just nameservers. |
| 03:55.54 | tyce | that is really cool page |
| 03:57.08 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 03:57.13 | Bradipo | Very helpful. |
| 03:57.24 | Bradipo | Too bad it doesn't explain the graphical respresentation much. |
| 03:57.32 | Bradipo | But if you know DNS it is apparent what the problem is. |
| 03:57.58 | Bradipo | Check out this one: |
| 03:58.01 | Bradipo | http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=leaderx.com |
| 03:58.53 | Bradipo | Another fun one is: |
| 03:59.28 | Bradipo | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=leaderx.com&type=MX |
| 03:59.39 | Bradipo | http://www.dnsstuff.com/ |
| 04:00.03 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. ever look at your /. fans, and wonder who some of these people are? |
| 04:00.15 | Bradipo | Sometimes. :-) |
| 04:01.11 | Bradipo | I'm also wondering how investors like this work. |
| 04:01.19 | tyce | :) |
| 04:01.37 | Bradipo | I'm sure one guy in the firm doesn't just walk up to his neighbor and say, ``I think we should invest $50M in company X'' |
| 04:01.41 | Jayce^ | hehe... hey, at least you can think you have more paychecks coming right? |
| 04:02.00 | Bradipo | They must research it and truly believe that they will make more money than their initial investment, else why would they do it? |
| 04:02.28 | Jayce^ | right, we'd hope :) |
| 04:02.30 | tyce | too much money, not enough projects? |
| 04:02.38 | Bradipo | I mean, if you had $50M would you just invest it in any joe blow company off the street on a whim? |
| 04:02.51 | Jayce^ | course these are the same types of investors who gave millions to places like online petfood stores. |
| 04:03.00 | Bradipo | lol |
| 04:03.29 | Jayce^ | I kinda lost faith in a few of them :) |
| 04:03.45 | Jayce^ | so anybody here tried playing "savage" ? the free demo? |
| 04:04.32 | tyce | no, any good? |
| 04:04.38 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 04:04.48 | Jayce^ | yeah, some real interesting ideas.. |
| 04:05.11 | Jayce^ | first person, with swords/etc.. but then it has RPG experience type stuff, and levels.. |
| 04:05.15 | Jayce^ | purchasing upgrades.. |
| 04:05.20 | Jayce^ | and a person can be 'commander' |
| 04:05.32 | Jayce^ | and plays like RTS, gathering resources, researching technology |
| 04:06.58 | Bradipo | I'm still waiting for MERP on a computer. |
| 04:07.18 | Bradipo | One day when I have enough free time I may learn how to write an RPG and do it myself. |
| 04:08.02 | Jayce^ | I'd like an ai of a quality to design Paranoia games on the computer |
| 04:08.57 | Jayce^ | anyone who's played paranoia can understand the craziness of that.. |
| 04:09.22 | Bradipo | I haven't played it. |
| 04:10.44 | Jayce^ | takes a lot of creativity... makes a lot of fun of a twisted orwellian style futures.. |
| 04:28.01 | brailsmt | anyone for a game of chess? |
| 04:35.14 | tyce | wish my mind could wrap around teh chess board right now |
| 04:35.31 | tyce | Im just waiting to go home for the weekend tonight |
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| 04:42.43 | emcnabb | we had 30 people at the UUG meeting tonight! |
| 04:42.49 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 04:42.57 | emcnabb | the room was pretty full |
| 04:43.19 | emcnabb | I ended up giving part of the presentation too |
| 04:43.24 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 04:43.32 | Jayce^ | wanted to be there.. but waaaay too busy |
| 04:43.43 | emcnabb | I know what you mean |
| 04:43.49 | emcnabb | it's study time :-) |
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| 04:44.01 | emcnabb | night all |
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| 05:38.44 | tyce | brb |
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| 06:56.09 | tyce | nite |
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| 07:26.48 | LrnChndlr | anyone awake? |
| 07:29.42 | LrnChndlr | guess not |
| 07:29.48 | LrnChndlr | bummer |
| 07:33.33 | bonez39 | LrnChndlr: howdy |
| 07:33.40 | bonez39 | I am...I am crazy though.. |
| 07:36.16 | LrnChndlr | bonez: know much perl? |
| 07:37.29 | bonez39 | none |
| 07:37.31 | bonez39 | sorry... |
| 07:37.35 | LrnChndlr | ok :) |
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| 14:18.30 | Hanuman_ | morning |
| 14:20.58 | Hanuman_ | any UNIX people in the house? |
| 14:45.00 | levi | Unix people in the house say HO! |
| 14:46.55 | Hanuman | HO! |
| 14:47.38 | Hanuman | I can't figure out how to configure my shell in Sun Solaris |
| 14:47.51 | Hanuman | (btw - just installed vim finally - much better) |
| 14:47.59 | levi | Hmm. |
| 14:48.06 | levi | It uses tcsh? |
| 14:48.25 | Hanuman | probably - not sure though |
| 14:48.55 | Hanuman | there are no user dirs, so I can't just go to /home/user/.whateverrc to configure the shell config |
| 14:49.16 | levi | Hmm. No users? |
| 14:49.27 | Hanuman | there are users, just no user dirs |
| 14:49.37 | levi | That is strange. |
| 14:49.40 | Hanuman | that I know of |
| 14:49.45 | Hanuman | Solaris is really weird |
| 14:49.47 | levi | What is the home dir of the users set to? |
| 14:50.04 | Hanuman | there is none - I do a find, and nothing comes up, yet I can login as the user |
| 14:50.20 | levi | When you log in as the user, what dir are you in? |
| 14:50.41 | Hanuman | \/ |
| 14:50.44 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.02 | Hanuman | plain 'ol "/" root |
| 14:51.04 | levi | Oh. |
| 14:51.14 | levi | Well, the global defaults for the shell should be in /etc |
| 14:51.45 | Hanuman | I don't see any conf files for that |
| 14:51.54 | levi | And /etc/passwd should say where the home dirs for the users should be. You probably ought to create them. |
| 14:52.18 | levi | Perhaps 'man sh' will tell you what shell and where its conf file is. |
| 14:52.49 | Hanuman | NAME |
| 14:52.49 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.49 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.56 | Hanuman | jsh? |
| 14:58.20 | levi | Huh. |
| 14:58.22 | levi | Beats me. |
| 14:59.13 | Hanuman | oh well |
| 15:00.02 | levi | What are you playing with Solaris for? |
| 15:00.31 | Hanuman | Our website is hosted on Solaris - I'm trying to setup some log-analyzers among other things |
| 15:00.49 | Hanuman | It's just annoying not to have tab-complete work |
| 15:01.00 | Hanuman | or the up-arrow for shell history, etc |
| 15:01.25 | levi | Yup. |
| 15:01.45 | levi | It's easy to get spoiled by bash and other fancy modern shells. |
| 15:05.56 | Hanuman | you'd think Solaris would have improved with all the money they make and all |
| 15:06.07 | Hanuman | I see why so many people are switching from UNIX to Linux |
| 15:26.53 | Hanuman | any of you use webalizer? |
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| 15:42.14 | sjansen | We got a new boss recently. He's actually in the same (possibly condemned) building as us. He's actually going around talking to people. Amazing, compared to our previous boss who I saw maybe three times over six months. |
| 15:42.47 | sjansen | And this morning he came by with Krispy Kreme for everyone. |
| 15:43.03 | sjansen | Okay, I'm cheap, but I've decided I like him. |
| 15:44.16 | Hanuman | does he like linux? |
| 15:44.37 | sjansen | Haven't asked. |
| 15:44.58 | sjansen | But he agrees that it's ridiculous to take 4 days to get an email account. |
| 15:45.05 | Hanuman | He's just schmoozing you...what kind of boss is that? ;-) |
| 15:45.28 | Hanuman | Did you get him anything for boss's day yesterday? |
| 15:45.34 | sjansen | You lie! He gave us donuts! He loves us! |
| 15:45.52 | Hanuman | we have to bring our own donuts around here... |
| 15:46.41 | levi | We always have Krispy Kreme donuts on friday. Mmmm. |
| 15:47.00 | Hanuman | ~lart levi's company |
| 15:47.08 | levi | Unfortunately, when you eat them while drinking mountain dew, a nuclear reaction is triggered in your stomach. |
| 15:47.17 | Hanuman | lol |
| 15:47.32 | Hanuman | Have you seen the site on the experiments done w/ twinkies? |
| 15:47.43 | levi | Oh yeah. :) |
| 15:48.10 | Hanuman | they need to do that w/ krispy kremes |
| 15:57.57 | Hanuman | I love OSS! |
| 15:58.22 | Hanuman | the program didn't do what I wanted it to, so I made it do it |
| 15:58.58 | Hanuman | edit, recompile - nothing sweeter |
| 15:59.16 | Hanuman | except krispie kremes provided by my boss on Friday |
| 16:04.33 | levi | I need to write me a datalogging app for my Zaurus, so I can do some more advanced engine tuning with my new ECU. |
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| 16:17.06 | Hanuman | I kinda want to own a Zaurus just for the geek-factor of owning it |
| 16:17.16 | Hanuman | don't know what I'd use it for yet - I already have a palm |
| 16:19.43 | sjansen | Hanuman: I could sell you a dead one. |
| 16:21.57 | Jayce^ | mm, value added sales :) |
| 16:26.03 | Hanuman | sjansen: that would accomplish my purpose - owning it for the geek-factor |
| 16:27.59 | levi | I don't use my Zaurus for PDA stuff. I recently revived my Palm V, which is MUCH better at being a PDA. |
| 16:30.30 | levi | I'd consider one of those. A phone/PDA combo would be nice. |
| 16:31.26 | Jayce^ | especially one that's not a wince device |
| 16:31.31 | levi | The Treo 600 seems a little bit chunky, though. |
| 16:32.12 | levi | There's a flip-open Samsung PDA phone that runs PalmOS 4.1 that tempts me. It's about the same size as my current phone. |
| 16:41.10 | Hanuman | I like the all-in-one idea of the Treo. I don't mind it being a bit chunky just because I've never used a cell-phone much |
| 16:48.52 | Hanuman | Also, beats the weight of both a cell-phone and a PDA in my pockets |
| 16:52.51 | levi | My cell phone is my only phone, and I carry it all the time. It'd better be comfortable in my pocket. |
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| 17:21.58 | bonez39 | when a file, such as /dev/dsp is marked crw-rw---- what does the c stand for? |
| 17:36.01 | Bradipo | character device |
| 17:41.34 | bonez39 | oh, I see.. |
| 17:41.56 | bonez39 | when I boot up, I get a note saying that sound wont' initialize due to permission problem with /dev/dsp |
| 17:54.44 | Jayce^ | probably not a member of its group |
| 17:55.56 | sjansen | Our new boss has the smallest room in the building. He doesn't even have a door knob. |
| 17:56.19 | Jayce^ | what a nob :) |
| 17:56.21 | sjansen | Finally, someone is feeling our pain instead of grabbing a cooshy spot. |
| 18:02.51 | Hanuman | hopefully he likes linux |
| 18:06.03 | bonez39 | how do I tell what version of xfree I have on my system? |
| 18:07.17 | tensai | bonez39: what distro? |
| 18:08.58 | bonez39 | debian 3.0 |
| 18:09.05 | bonez39 | I found it.. X -version |
| 18:09.40 | bonez39 | ok, it's working now.. |
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| 18:42.04 | synic|home | so... itunes came out for windows |
| 18:47.44 | Hanuman | wow - we're up to 3 mil hits/day now |
| 19:00.47 | Jayce^ | wuss :) |
| 19:57.04 | sjansen | So how hard is it to compile mod_perl? |
| 19:58.18 | Jayce^ | depends on your distro... |
| 19:58.23 | Jayce^ | but I think it's easy |
| 19:58.29 | Jayce^ | use apachetoolbox to try it.. |
| 19:58.34 | Jayce^ | makes it *real* easy |
| 19:59.09 | Jayce^ | whew, just brought gimli (my ss 20) online)... same circuit as my main box.. |
| 19:59.14 | Jayce^ | now my monitor is dancing :D |
| 20:00.28 | levi | ss 20? |
| 20:01.13 | Jayce^ | sparc station 20 |
| 20:01.27 | Jayce^ | sucker draws power like crazy |
| 20:04.24 | sjansen | Okay, how hard is it to compile mod_perl to work with vanilla apache running on HP-UX and using acc? |
| 20:05.10 | sjansen | Or in other words, how hard is it to do by hand? |
| 20:05.15 | Jayce^ | haven't done hpux |
| 20:05.19 | Jayce^ | not hard at all.. |
| 20:05.30 | levi | I still need to get rid of my SparcStation ELCs. |
| 20:05.48 | Jayce^ | levi, I'd accept at any you'd give :) |
| 20:06.01 | Jayce^ | probably going to have another surplus swap pretty soon.. |
| 20:06.50 | levi | I don't want to swap, I just want to get rid of. I have too much junk. |
| 20:06.55 | Jayce^ | sjansen, http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/index.html |
| 20:07.02 | levi | And I have to move at the end of the year, on account of my roommate getting married. |
| 20:07.08 | Jayce^ | levi, that's ok, people gave stuff away too |
| 20:07.20 | Jayce^ | sweet.. got a lot of people that will want your freebies :) |
| 20:07.33 | Jayce^ | sjansen, first chapters in the user guide tell how to install |
| 20:07.47 | levi | I'll have to go through my boxes of computer parts and put together a list of stuff I need to get rid of. |
| 20:08.16 | Hanuman | sjansen: that's my favorite doc as well in installing |
| 20:08.44 | Hanuman | I like the good 'ol fashion way of doing things when it comes to apache |
| 20:08.44 | Jayce^ | apachetoolbox is real nice.. |
| 20:08.48 | levi | I no longer have the time or desire to tinker with aging computer bits, so they're taking up a lot of precious space. |
| 20:08.52 | Jayce^ | bash script that does it easily |
| 20:09.19 | Hanuman | someday I'll try it - I hate trusting scripts, though |
| 20:09.54 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, all it is is a front end for the downloading, and setting the make flags |
| 20:10.13 | Jayce^ | course I always do EVERYTHING=1 in mod_perl... never had a reason not too |
| 20:10.51 | Hanuman | me too |
| 20:11.10 | Bradipo | That's what Windows developers say about enabling everything in their OS too. ;-) |
| 20:11.24 | Hanuman | "Yes to all..." |
| 20:11.35 | Jayce^ | lol... Bradipo, there is a difference here though.. |
| 20:11.59 | Jayce^ | basically, it's "do you want to allow perl to use all the API like c, or cut it down" |
| 20:12.00 | Bradipo | Yeah, the difference is you know what you're getting into because you can see what you are enabling. |
| 20:12.20 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, nah, I've been through all the options... |
| 20:12.29 | Bradipo | With Windows they ship it to you and don't even tell you what is enabled. |
| 20:12.33 | Bradipo | They don't even know themselves. |
| 20:12.44 | Jayce^ | they are all on with C, this is just allowing perl to use them also |
| 20:12.49 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:15.47 | Hanuman | sounds a bit like the new Mandrake... ;-) |
| 20:16.16 | Hanuman | I don't understand why Linux keeps trying to mimick Windows - Linux is much more superior if it would just be itself |
| 20:16.40 | levi | Superior for whom? |
| 20:16.58 | Hanuman | for all users. Linux just needs to make their interface more user-friendly, not copy Windows |
| 20:17.31 | levi | I guess I agree with you there. |
| 20:17.47 | Hanuman | Make it straightforward up-front, but allow the geeks to still get under the hood and do what they want with it |
| 20:17.52 | levi | Though, making things Windows-like is the easy way to make them accessible to 90% of PC users. |
| 20:18.27 | Hanuman | I think what's more appealing is allowing Windows apps to run on Linux, and working on replacements for other Windows apps |
| 20:18.28 | levi | Because, although Windows has usability problems, pretty much everyone has learned to deal with them and doesn't want to learn something else. |
| 20:18.59 | Hanuman | If the interface is straightforward and user-friendly, there shouldn't be much to learn - it should explain itself |
| 20:19.03 | Bradipo | Linux is superior when used by clueful users. |
| 20:19.15 | Hanuman | My wife hasn't had a problem figuring out Linux |
| 20:19.21 | Bradipo | You put an idiot in front of linux and they are the same whether it's WIndows or Linux. |
| 20:19.39 | Bradipo | Neither has mine. |
| 20:19.41 | Hanuman | She actually prefers it because of its speed, but doesn't like it's lack of support for applications |
| 20:19.44 | levi | Hanuman: That's the ideal, but in reality it takes a while for people who are scared or not confident with computers to pick up anything new. |
| 20:19.54 | Bradipo | I think my wife sees the light. |
| 20:20.03 | Hanuman | yeah, but those type of people that are currently using w |
| 20:20.08 | Bradipo | We have been running Slackware 3.4 for 4 years without a glitch. |
| 20:20.17 | Hanuman | Windows aren't comfortable with even Windows at the moment |
| 20:20.25 | Bradipo | She hears everyone complain about this virus, or how their system crashes all the time. |
| 20:20.36 | Bradipo | Our computer just keeps going. |
| 20:20.41 | Bradipo | No problems, no crashes. |
| 20:20.51 | Bradipo | I'm kind of worried about the hardware though. |
| 20:20.59 | Bradipo | It is after all 4 years old. |
| 20:21.00 | Hanuman | I still run a dual-boot windows system for certain apps that I have to have access to (or my wife), but she uses Linux primarily |
| 20:21.20 | Hanuman | We need Windows for our kids cheap games |
| 20:21.26 | Hanuman | like Barney, etc |
| 20:21.28 | levi | They're not terribly comfortable with it, but comfortable enough to not want to start over, generally. They're the ones that learn how to do things by rote, so switching to Linux where the routine is easy but different would be a monumental task. |
| 20:22.03 | Hanuman | Those people aren't the ones that will switch to Linux anyway. I imagine they are also a small minority compared to other users |
| 20:22.46 | Hanuman | Linux has been too focused on getting those types to support, while they're neglecting the silent majority that is getting larger of the younger generation |
| 20:24.09 | Jayce^ | my wife was getting along with linux... then she got her ibook :) |
| 20:24.17 | Jayce^ | now she actually really likes computers.. |
| 20:24.28 | Jayce^ | and I haven't had to do tech support for more than 10 minutes in the last few months |
| 20:24.34 | levi | I'm happy to hear of people getting Macs. |
| 20:24.37 | bonez39 | Jayce^: doesn't it run unix/linux? osx 10? |
| 20:24.41 | levi | My next new computer will be a Mac. |
| 20:24.43 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:24.45 | Jayce^ | os x |
| 20:24.47 | bonez39 | cool... |
| 20:24.48 | levi | Hopefully a G5. |
| 20:24.52 | Bradipo | I just wish Mac would cater more to *nix. |
| 20:24.57 | Jayce^ | yeah, she got an ibook, and everything is just easy for her |
| 20:25.00 | Bradipo | If they would, they would start to be my favorite company. |
| 20:25.08 | Jayce^ | and I'm jealous, because her laptop is a lot better than mine |
| 20:25.11 | Bradipo | For example, if they would release iTunes for *nix |
| 20:25.28 | levi | Bradipo: They have iTunes for thier own variety of *nix. |
| 20:25.33 | Bradipo | I know. |
| 20:25.43 | Bradipo | But I want it for whatever version of *nix I happen to be using. |
| 20:25.48 | levi | That's an extremely unreasonable demand, though. |
| 20:25.51 | Bradipo | Linux/BSD |
| 20:25.58 | Bradipo | Heck, BSD shouldn't be too far of a stretch for them. |
| 20:26.15 | Jayce^ | shouldn't.. but is.. |
| 20:26.22 | Bradipo | I don't think it's unreasonable at all considering they are using BSD under the hood. |
| 20:26.33 | Jayce^ | the big thing would be if they could release aqua for *nix.. |
| 20:26.41 | Bradipo | That would be nice, but I don't need it. |
| 20:26.42 | Jayce^ | that would make the rest porting easy |
| 20:26.49 | Bradipo | If I have an iPod, I don't need Aqua. |
| 20:26.55 | Bradipo | But I would definitely need iTunes. |
| 20:27.03 | Jayce^ | but that is where a lot of the porting issues are.. |
| 20:27.10 | Jayce^ | tightly coupled with the interface |
| 20:27.12 | tensai | Hanuman: ever tried GCompris? great kids games. |
| 20:27.13 | Bradipo | Do they have Aqua for Windows? |
| 20:27.19 | levi | Aqua is NICE. I love it. |
| 20:27.21 | Bradipo | They just released iTunes for Windows... |
| 20:27.37 | Jayce^ | no, but they are emulating a lot of it |
| 20:27.38 | Bradipo | What did they do about the ``porting issues'' there? |
| 20:27.47 | levi | Windows actually has a significant number of users. |
| 20:28.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, market made it worth it to do everythign necessary |
| 20:28.24 | Jayce^ | but it wasn't as simple as a make --with-aqua-win32 |
| 20:28.39 | levi | There's really no economic incentive for them to port iTunes to Linux, much less BSD. |
| 20:29.09 | Bradipo | What economic incentive is there for them to use their own platform? |
| 20:29.25 | Bradipo | How much market share does Mac have vs Linux? |
| 20:30.04 | Bradipo | I guess as a desktop OS there is no question. |
| 20:30.05 | levi | Uh. |
| 20:30.06 | Jayce^ | what percentage of the linux market bought their distro, and will buy the upgraded version? |
| 20:30.24 | levi | Are you not thinking about this, or just being obstinate? |
| 20:30.34 | Bradipo | Just because Linux is free doesn't mean that all software that runs on Linux need be free. |
| 20:30.42 | Jayce^ | WOOHOO... flame/troll time starting :D :D |
| 20:30.52 | Bradipo | I'm serious about this. |
| 20:31.02 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, I agree... of course the FSF would have a heart attack at the thought :) |
| 20:31.05 | Bradipo | It irks me that they think their own Macintosh is all that and that iTunes wouldn't work on linux. |
| 20:31.47 | Bradipo | As it stands, I have to have either Mac or Windows to use iTunes. |
| 20:31.48 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, they could make itunes for linux, but they've developed it very tightly with a gui that doesn't work on linux.. that's the issue.. |
| 20:31.52 | Bradipo | Which means I won't get it. |
| 20:31.56 | levi | Well, I don't see why you should be annoyed at the fact that they think their own product is 'all that' and that they make business decisions in order to sell more of their product. |
| 20:31.58 | Bradipo | And I won't get an iPod either because of it. |
| 20:32.25 | Jayce^ | ipods are nice, but there are features I wish it had that others support |
| 20:32.27 | Bradipo | But I probably would if I could. |
| 20:32.30 | Jayce^ | get an archos or something |
| 20:32.45 | levi | I don't think there are significant technical difficulties in making a Linux iTunes port. That's just entirely not the issue. |
| 20:33.08 | Jayce^ | line-in, color screen, encoding on input, mic, tv out, camera attachments, memory card attachments, etc.. |
| 20:33.20 | levi | Bradipo: There are free software packages that support the Windows version of the iPod in Linux. |
| 20:34.12 | Bradipo | Right, but iTunes? |
| 20:34.21 | Hanuman | anyone tried wine with itunes yet? |
| 20:34.23 | Bradipo | BTW, I don't download MP3s either. |
| 20:34.37 | levi | No. But what's that got to do with the iPod, really? |
| 20:34.43 | Bradipo | iTunes. |
| 20:34.45 | levi | The iPod works pretty darn well without iTunes. |
| 20:34.55 | Bradipo | WHere would I get my music? |
| 20:34.56 | Hanuman | I pay for software for Windows - I would also pay for software for Linux if certain apps were made for it. |
| 20:35.00 | levi | I don't actually use iTunes on my Mac very much. |
| 20:35.02 | Bradipo | I just stated I don't download MP3s. |
| 20:35.05 | levi | Bradipo: Rip from CDs. |
| 20:35.11 | Bradipo | I don't want to buy CDs. |
| 20:35.15 | Bradipo | That's the point of iTunes. |
| 20:35.20 | Bradipo | CDs are overpriced. |
| 20:35.25 | Bradipo | And come with songs I don't want. |
| 20:35.33 | levi | The point of iTunes is to play music. The iTunes Music Store is to sell music. |
| 20:36.25 | Hanuman | I think the reason companies don't make software for Linux is because if people switch to Linux, OSS developers would make replacements for the purchaseable products, putting those products out of business |
| 20:36.41 | Hanuman | What those companies ought to do is change their strategy |
| 20:38.02 | levi | Bradipo: Anyway, I'm pretty sure if you do a cost analysis for iTunes for Linux, it would come out a loser. Therefore, why should they do it? |
| 20:38.22 | Bradipo | I guess. |
| 20:38.40 | levi | I would prefer for Apple to continue to make money so that they can stay in business and provide me with cool Macintosh computers. |
| 20:38.43 | Bradipo | Well, then all they need to port is the iTunes Music Store. |
| 20:38.54 | Bradipo | As long as there is a way to listen to the music once it's downloaded. :-) |
| 20:39.06 | Bradipo | Macintosh computers are overrated. |
| 20:39.17 | levi | Well, that's your opinion. |
| 20:39.22 | Bradipo | The best thing they did to Mac was put Unix under the hood. |
| 20:39.23 | Hanuman | Bradipo: exactly. itunes music store on Linux would make them just as much money as it does on Mac |
| 20:39.23 | levi | I happen to like them very much. |
| 20:39.36 | Bradipo | Right, so why not do it... |
| 20:39.38 | Hanuman | They are saying number of Linux desktop users will exceed that of Mac this year |
| 20:39.38 | levi | Hanuman: I highly doubt that. |
| 20:40.07 | levi | The Mac desktop users are far more likely to spend money. |
| 20:40.46 | Bradipo | Hmm, I guess the linux crowd is just full of pirates and thieves. |
| 20:40.57 | Bradipo | They want everything for free... |
| 20:41.00 | Jayce^ | arrrrr matey |
| 20:41.06 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 20:41.20 | levi | Being a pirate and a theif is not the same as wanting everything for free. |
| 20:41.35 | Bradipo | It's no wonder that corporate America is so wary with respect to linux. |
| 20:41.51 | Hanuman | Most linux users I know would pay for their music - in fact more than alot of Windows users I know |
| 20:42.07 | Bradipo | Most linux users I know also do warez |
| 20:42.08 | Hanuman | Linux users to me seem more respectful of IP |
| 20:42.12 | Bradipo | Download MP3s, etc... |
| 20:42.13 | Hanuman | and copyright |
| 20:42.23 | Hanuman | Bradipo: really? |
| 20:42.27 | Bradipo | Download DVDs, movies, etc... |
| 20:42.40 | Hanuman | I did that on Windows until I switched to Linux |
| 20:42.46 | levi | Most people I know do warez, download mp3s and movies, etc. These include Windows, Mac, and Linux users. |
| 20:42.47 | Hanuman | Now I can afford to buy those things |
| 20:42.54 | Bradipo | lol |
| 20:42.56 | levi | But I don't think the people I know are representative of any significant demographic. |
| 20:43.08 | Jayce^ | I'm not ashamed to admit my downloading.. |
| 20:43.18 | Bradipo | Me either, but I'm just making a point. |
| 20:43.25 | Jayce^ | had ahd the two towers screener, dvd rip a long time ago.. |
| 20:43.30 | Bradipo | The reason why there is no decent software for linux is not because of the market share. |
| 20:43.32 | Jayce^ | course, I'm buying the dvd too.. so I feel ok |
| 20:44.10 | Bradipo | It's because most linux users are cheap. |
| 20:44.29 | Bradipo | Oh, I have padded the media industries wallets with my purchases as well. |
| 20:44.40 | Bradipo | I think media is still grossly over priced, but that could change. |
| 20:44.54 | Jayce^ | hopefully.. |
| 20:44.58 | Jayce^ | dvd's have gotten better.. |
| 20:45.04 | Jayce^ | music however, hasn't |
| 20:45.05 | Bradipo | Still over priced. |
| 20:45.07 | Bradipo | Think about it... |
| 20:45.18 | Bradipo | How much do you pay to see it on the big screen? |
| 20:45.18 | Jayce^ | oh, I agree.. |
| 20:45.20 | brailsmt | dvd's are reasonable, cds aren't |
| 20:45.22 | Bradipo | $7 |
| 20:45.26 | Jayce^ | I said better :) |
| 20:45.34 | Bradipo | Yet to buy it for viewing in your own home it's $20 |
| 20:45.37 | levi | I suspect that a significant number of Linux users are cheap, and that this is why commercial software for Linux hasn't been terribly successful. That, and difficulty in producing binary software that actually works on the moving target that is Linux. |
| 20:45.46 | Bradipo | And most people only have a dinky system, not nice 5.1 surround sound. |
| 20:45.47 | brailsmt | when a soundtrack fro a movie costs only $2-$3 less than the whole movie, something is screwy |
| 20:46.37 | Bradipo | Anyway, how did we get off on such a tangent. :-) |
| 20:46.39 | Jayce^ | anybody ever listen to Paul okenfold music before? |
| 20:46.45 | levi | Bradipo: That's an unlimited amount of viewings for $20, as opposed to $7 for one viewing. |
| 20:46.51 | Jayce^ | that's one I just recently downloaded, and have decided I really like.. |
| 20:46.56 | levi | I used to listen to Oakenfold all the time. |
| 20:47.02 | Bradipo | True. |
| 20:47.03 | Jayce^ | guy is good |
| 20:47.05 | levi | I've got his Tranceport CD. |
| 20:47.21 | Bradipo | I guess that makes sense, but seriously how many times do you watch a DVD? |
| 20:47.30 | Jayce^ | listened to that yesterday, listening to journeys today |
| 20:47.37 | Bradipo | The only movies I can stand to watch time and time again are Star Wars and LotR. |
| 20:47.46 | brailsmt | don't forget the dvd gives you the ability to puase... at least until it is ruled against the DMCA for disrupting the artists intended flow of the movie... |
| 20:47.47 | levi | If you like him, check out Paul Van Dyk. Vorsprung Dyk Technic is excellent. |
| 20:48.01 | Bradipo | lol |
| 20:48.04 | Bradipo | That's funny brailsmt |
| 20:48.09 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, that's like me.. however.. take my kid.. he watches certain movies like crazy |
| 20:48.33 | levi | I don't buy a DVD unless I think it's got replay value. |
| 20:48.42 | levi | So, my DVD collection is really small. |
| 20:48.43 | Jayce^ | course, I also usually won't go to a theater.. don't like the crowd/prices.. |
| 20:49.00 | Jayce^ | now, for trilogy tuesday, that's more than worth it |
| 20:49.02 | brailsmt | i go to movies 8 on tuesdays |
| 20:49.08 | brailsmt | $.50 for a show |
| 20:49.29 | levi | I used to go to $.50 night up here, but then I got other things to do on Wednesday nights. |
| 20:49.36 | Bradipo | I do like the big screen for big movies. |
| 20:49.36 | levi | Now that's a killer deal for movie-watching. |
| 20:49.43 | Bradipo | But I don't go just for any movie. |
| 20:50.04 | levi | I like going to movies at the nice theaters towards the end of their run. The theater is nearly empty, and you get to sit where you want. |
| 20:50.11 | Bradipo | I loved the scene from LotR TT when they were approaching the statues of the ancient kings. |
| 20:50.13 | Jayce^ | like I said, trilogy tuesday :) |
| 20:50.16 | Bradipo | That was stunning on the big screen. |
| 20:50.25 | brailsmt | i usually only go to the theatre for big special effects movies, Matrix, LotR, Star Wars, Hulk, etc... |
| 20:50.27 | Bradipo | Not TT. |
| 20:50.34 | Bradipo | The first one. Fellowship of the Ring. |
| 20:50.39 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (~doc@64.122.114.148) |
| 20:50.41 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:51.17 | brailsmt | the big special effects and sound just aren't the same at home |
| 20:51.21 | Bradipo | I think the movie industry has lost it's luster. |
| 20:51.28 | Bradipo | The movies they come out with lately are horrible. |
| 20:51.44 | brailsmt | Bradipo: ppl have been saying that for a long time... |
| 20:51.48 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 20:51.55 | Bradipo | I haven't been to movies in a long time. |
| 20:52.01 | brailsmt | the difference is that now there are so many bad movies marketed as good movies |
| 20:52.04 | Bradipo | The last movie I saw in a theatre was LotR. |
| 20:52.29 | levi | I think that movies have been crap for a long time. It's just that you don't remember all the crap ones from the past, because they've been forgotten while the gems remain. |
| 20:52.32 | Bradipo | They're coming out with too many movies. |
| 20:52.36 | brailsmt | there are still good movies, but they usually don't get the hype |
| 20:52.38 | Bradipo | Quantity versus Quality. |
| 20:52.55 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 20:52.55 | brailsmt | movies like Shine, etc |
| 20:53.08 | levi | I think there's also a much bigger focus today on opening weekend, rather than long runs. |
| 20:53.13 | Bradipo | There have been a few that I wanted to see, but just didn't get the right impetus. |
| 20:53.20 | Bradipo | Probably due to hyping the wrong movie. |
| 20:53.29 | levi | So the marketing is all skewed. |
| 20:53.30 | brailsmt | if you haven't seen Shine, I highly recommend it |
| 20:53.34 | Bradipo | It certainly seems that way. |
| 20:53.41 | Bradipo | They always judge a movie by it's opening night. |
| 20:53.48 | Bradipo | I haven't seen it. |
| 20:54.06 | brailsmt | everyone always wants to see if some blockbuster will break some opening record... |
| 20:54.12 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 20:54.18 | Bradipo | I could care less how much money it makes. |
| 20:54.29 | brailsmt | Bradipo: it is a good movie, good story, good acting, happy ending, etc... |
| 20:54.30 | Bradipo | Just infuriates me more because I contributed to their piss-poor films. |
| 20:55.22 | brailsmt | Remember the Titans is good too |
| 20:55.30 | brailsmt | and Sixth Sense |
| 20:55.32 | Bradipo | It was pretty good. |
| 20:55.39 | Bradipo | It wasn't too bad. |
| 20:55.42 | levi | I can take feel-good films, but not sports feel-good films. |
| 20:55.54 | Bradipo | Rudy! |
| 20:56.02 | Bradipo | Rudy is a classic. |
| 20:56.03 | levi | I so don't want to see another ad for Radio. It's a sports feel-good film about a retarded guy. |
| 20:56.11 | brailsmt | Scorpion King is simply excellent though... |
| 20:56.12 | levi | TOO MANY CLICHES! |
| 20:56.21 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:56.21 | Bradipo | Never saw Scorpion King. |
| 20:56.24 | Bradipo | Didn't look very good. |
| 20:56.25 | brailsmt | dont |
| 20:56.31 | levi | Scorpion King was... cheesy. |
| 20:56.38 | brailsmt | it is the dumbest movie i have seen in a long time |
| 20:56.50 | levi | I enjoyed it, it was worth the $.50 I paid to see it. ;) |
| 20:56.51 | brailsmt | 2 fast 2 furious is pretty bad too |
| 20:56.54 | levi | Not much more than that, though. |
| 20:57.07 | levi | Kangaroo Jack was an awful one. |
| 20:57.17 | brailsmt | i avoid kangaroo jack... |
| 20:57.23 | brailsmt | Holes was really good though |
| 20:57.23 | levi | Yes. Good plan. |
| 20:57.29 | levi | Oh yeah, Holes was great. |
| 20:57.35 | levi | Secondhand Lions was not too bad, either. |
| 20:57.43 | brailsmt | i was surprised how good it was, i wasn't expecting it to be |
| 20:57.47 | levi | Didn't like it as much as Holes, though. |
| 20:57.53 | Jayce^ | heard really good things about lions |
| 20:58.14 | Jayce^ | I think I'm only seeing two more movies in the theater this year.. |
| 20:58.30 | Jayce^ | well, 4 if you count it right |
| 20:58.40 | Jayce^ | and probably will see one of those more than once in there |
| 20:59.16 | levi | I watched 'Gigantic: A Tale of Two Johns' in the theater. That was cool. :) |
| 20:59.51 | Bradipo | I wanted to see Tomb Raider II. |
| 20:59.53 | Bradipo | Never did though. |
| 20:59.59 | levi | That's probably for the best. |
| 21:00.02 | Bradipo | Holes was lame. |
| 21:00.05 | levi | I enjoyed The Italian Job. |
| 21:00.12 | Jayce^ | italian job was good |
| 21:00.16 | Bradipo | Well, the only reason why I would see it is to see Laura Croft. ;-) |
| 21:00.32 | Bradipo | Not because I think it is a good movie. |
| 21:01.06 | levi | Well, I'm sure you could download pictures of her from the 'net, if that's what you're after. ;) |
| 21:01.36 | Bradipo | More action in a movie. |
| 21:02.29 | Bradipo | What good movies have come out this summer? |
| 21:02.46 | Jayce^ | last movie I went to was pirates... |
| 21:02.49 | Jayce^ | that was real good |
| 21:03.02 | Bradipo | That's what I've heard. |
| 21:03.22 | Jayce^ | that's one I'll buy (me saying that after I've seen it says a lot) |
| 21:03.34 | Bradipo | I'm sure it does. |
| 21:03.39 | Bradipo | There aren't many that I would buy either. |
| 21:03.45 | levi | Hmm. I just checked rottentomatoes.com, and now I'm tempted to go see School of Rock. |
| 21:03.52 | Bradipo | I have both regular and extended LotR. |
| 21:04.02 | Jayce^ | since I usally wont' replay movies, and like others here, won't buy it unless I'm going to watch it again |
| 21:04.04 | levi | Yeah, Pirates was quite fun. |
| 21:04.09 | Bradipo | Where can I find a list of movies that were released in the past six months? |
| 21:04.24 | levi | Probably rottentomatoes or imdb |
| 21:04.34 | levi | Not sure if either of those does exactly that, though. |
| 21:07.24 | levi | Ooh, Christopher Walken is in The Rundown. May have to go see that. |
| 21:08.07 | Jayce^ | best christopher walken performance is in that fatboy slim video "weapon of choice" |
| 21:08.40 | levi | Yeah, that was a fun video. |
| 21:08.56 | Jayce^ | love seeing him dance to the dune quotes |
| 21:09.14 | levi | He was also in Kangaroo Jack. His scenes were almost worth watching, but there were not many. |
| 21:10.03 | Jayce^ | who knew that rowan atkinson (mr bean) was in lion king? :) |
| 21:10.22 | levi | I also just saw him in Blast from the Past, which was a fun movie. |
| 21:10.29 | levi | Silly, but fun. |
| 21:10.31 | Jayce^ | was funny |
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| 21:12.03 | tensai | Jayce^: who was he? |
| 21:12.20 | Bradipo | http://cookiedunker.com/ |
| 21:12.21 | Jayce^ | tensai, zazu (the kings bird assistant) |
| 21:12.23 | Bradipo | What do you all thikn of that? |
| 21:12.29 | Bradipo | Is that a good idea that could be marketed? |
| 21:13.16 | Jayce^ | heh.. I probably wouldn't use it... |
| 21:14.29 | Bradipo | If it came in a bag of Oreo cookies... |
| 21:14.51 | Jayce^ | my kid might like, then use it.. |
| 21:14.52 | Bradipo | I usually use spoons because I don't like getting my fingers wet. |
| 21:15.14 | Bradipo | And I can't stand an Oreo that isn't completely immersed. |
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| 22:19.37 | Jayce^ | ok deb folks.. got a box that won't update coreutils, gives an error (illegal instruction) during the "pre-removal" script.. |
| 22:19.47 | Jayce^ | so it won't install, and nothing else can upgrade. |
| 22:20.16 | Jayce^ | how can I force it? since what it seems to be doing is ok (removing a .info file) says the remove command is wrong |
| 22:20.33 | levi | I'd go edit the pre-removal script so it doesn't croak anymore. |
| 22:20.42 | levi | I hate it when that happens. |
| 22:20.48 | Jayce^ | k |
| 22:30.01 | Jayce^ | grr, now console-common says its pre-inst script is returning an error, but no line numbers or anything.. |
| 22:46.52 | Hanuman | is there a file that loads shell commands when X starts up every time? I want to get xbindkeys to run on x-startup |
| 22:47.15 | Hanuman | I tried xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit but that didn't work |
| 22:49.54 | levi | Do you use startx, or some sort of xdm-alike? |
| 22:50.00 | Hanuman | kdm |
| 22:50.22 | levi | There should be a script that runs inside the kdm config directory. |
| 22:51.32 | Hanuman | ah - Xstartup |
| 22:52.14 | Hanuman | tnx - that's what I was looking for. |
| 22:52.36 | Hanuman | One more (hopefully) quick question - is there a command to turn off or put the monitor into sleep mode? |
| 22:52.50 | Hanuman | (I'm configuring my remote) |
| 22:52.58 | tensai | xset |
| 22:53.30 | tensai | xset dpms force off |
| 22:53.51 | Hanuman | and would any key re-enable the monitor? |
| 22:54.17 | tensai | yeah, or mouse |
| 22:54.31 | Hanuman | yup - just tried it - thanks tensai |
| 22:54.45 | Hanuman | cool - I can do some cool stuff w/ my rf remote now |
| 22:56.25 | levi | What sort of rf remote? |
| 22:56.36 | Hanuman | ati remote wonder |
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