| 00:04.29 | hans | yup |
| 00:14.07 | tyce | hans, Im an idiot and didn't right down your room number on campus before I closed the window. |
| 00:14.30 | tyce | can you give it to me one more time |
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| 01:34.00 | hans | tyce: 152 CB |
| 01:34.14 | hans | tyce: when do you plan on swinging by? |
| 01:48.20 | Hanuman | wow - Mozilla's really working to improve their user interface w/ firebird |
| 02:08.30 | hans | wow, the chinese did it |
| 02:18.45 | hans | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031009.html <-- cringley has another interesting idea |
| 02:20.16 | Hanuman | I'm converted to Mozilla Firebird now |
| 02:20.28 | Hanuman | Very impressive |
| 02:33.53 | tyce | well I installed it and was actually starting to like it... but then the mozilla curse popped up and caused it to hang on me |
| 02:34.41 | tyce | there it goes... coming back to life now |
| 02:35.15 | tyce | still though... I can't understand why Mozilla doesn't give me the option to open new windows in tabs only! |
| 02:35.23 | tyce | seems like such a little request |
| 03:10.30 | Jayce^ | thought that was a preference option... |
| 03:10.57 | tyce | nope |
| 03:11.21 | tyce | they only preference for tabs has to do with opening them in the background |
| 03:13.27 | tyce | Im not afraid to admit it, Im a tab-whore and the only browser that deals with them the closest to how I want them handled is galeon |
| 03:17.37 | Jayce^ | I like konq's tabs... and will even more in 3.2 |
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| 04:49.11 | bonez39 | helo Jalance |
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| 06:01.12 | Bonez39 | anyone around? |
| 06:22.49 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 06:23.04 | Bonez39 | brad, but you are, eh? |
| 06:23.12 | Bradipo | lol |
| 06:23.15 | Bradipo | I guess. |
| 06:23.26 | Bonez39 | do you know Blake Stowell? |
| 06:23.27 | Bradipo | I'm barely here at this hour. :-) |
| 06:23.34 | Bradipo | Oh yeah. |
| 06:23.51 | Bonez39 | he emailed me back, after I inquired about linux and SCO... |
| 06:24.23 | Bonez39 | he layed out the millions that are being lost on account of all that purloined code.... |
| 06:24.31 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 06:25.06 | Bradipo | In a legal battle it all comes down to how much damage was caused. |
| 06:26.05 | Bradipo | i.e. how many $$$ |
| 06:27.47 | Bonez39 | yeah...so true |
| 06:37.08 | tyce | or is it? ... |
| 06:37.22 | Bonez39 | hmmm tyce..not sure now.. |
| 06:37.34 | Bonez39 | tyce, do you know how to resolve a boot problem? |
| 06:44.19 | tyce | with what boot loader? |
| 06:51.37 | Bonez39 | grub |
| 07:00.39 | tyce | to be honest I faught with grub and then decided that despite its flaws I like'd lilo |
| 07:00.52 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 07:01.01 | tyce | closing time for me... we'll talk to you later... |
| 07:01.07 | Bradipo | I prefer grub's interface and functionality. |
| 07:01.13 | Bradipo | lilo just seems easier sometimes. |
| 14:00.53 | Hanuman | morning |
| 14:01.02 | Hanuman | any of y'all work in retail? |
| 14:01.28 | Hanuman | I'm trying to find a good Linux-based retail management system that doesn't require a broadband connection between the stores and headquarters |
| 14:15.34 | hans | new mozilla, thunderbird, firebird releases |
| 14:19.06 | Hanuman | and I just installed firebird last-night |
| 14:19.12 | Hanuman | guess I'll have to update |
| 14:19.28 | tewk | Grub is the bomb |
| 14:21.41 | Hanuman | anyone here use analytics software to manage their website? (something powerful, that can track user paths, product purchasing data, etc) |
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| 15:02.24 | Hanuman | Very cool - http://www.phpopentracker.de/index.html |
| 15:04.40 | Hanuman | beats spending $1000/mo to do the same thing |
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| 19:57.32 | tensai | Hanuman: what's EDI? |
| 19:57.38 | Hanuman | tensai: Electronic Data Interchange - its the method of distributing information between vendors for a company |
| 19:57.38 | Hanuman | (did I mentione EDI somewhere? I seem to recall it, but can't see it in the backlogs) |
| 19:57.39 | Hanuman | That was an interesting discussion - my boss asking me why open-source write the programs they write. She was trying to grasp the concept of programming for free. |
| 19:57.39 | Hanuman | s/open-source/open-source programmers/ |
| 19:57.39 | Hanuman | oh - I remember now - in my PLUG post |
| 19:57.39 | Hanuman | yes, EDI is the methods of sending product and or monetary data between a retail company's vendors and it's distribution company |
| 19:57.39 | Hanuman | ie - if you need to constantly be updating availability of items for an e-commerce website, and prices are constantly changine, or you have a lot of vendors that constantly need changes made, you need that information to get processed as quick as possible so as to be reflected by the customer |
| 19:57.40 | Hanuman | Many companies are doing that now with XML (at least those that are up-to-date with technology) |
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| 20:03.01 | bonez39 | hans: how do I verify my static IP at the firewall? |
| 20:03.10 | bonez39 | hans:I have tech supp on the line now |
| 20:05.20 | hans | bonez39: verify what? |
| 20:05.27 | hans | try ssh'ing into your static ip |
| 20:05.40 | hans | what is your static ip? 64.122.114.148? |
| 20:05.57 | bonez39 | the tech just verified that it is forwarded... |
| 20:05.57 | bonez39 | that's correct |
| 20:07.01 | hans | i still get connection refused |
| 20:07.11 | hans | can you ssh into your box locally? (10.whatever) |
| 20:07.30 | hans | e.g. from your windows box (using putty) |
| 20:09.19 | Jayce^ | sweeeeeeeet |
| 20:09.33 | Hanuman | hans: or Thai |
| 20:14.29 | brailsmt | Jayce^: when is it going to be available? |
| 20:16.12 | Jayce^ | the teaser or the set? |
| 20:16.22 | hans | Jayce^: where's the teaser? |
| 20:16.25 | Jayce^ | november for the set I think |
| 20:17.08 | bonez39 | hans: never have used putty.but I will give it a try.. |
| 20:17.36 | Jayce^ | http://suprnova.lagalot.com/torrents/445/preview_the.lord.of.the.rings_the.two.towers_special.extended.dvd.edition-avi(1).torrent |
| 20:18.03 | hans | anyone have a torrent file for the new firebird? |
| 20:23.40 | sjansen | brailsmt: Knowledge of Portuguese is a blessing extended only to the worthy. |
| 20:25.11 | Hanuman | hans: I've got the new Windows veresion, but no linux yet |
| 20:25.19 | Hanuman | s/veresion/version/ |
| 20:25.31 | Hanuman | no torrent either |
| 20:25.54 | sjansen | Ugh. I just don't understand why Python is becoming so popular. |
| 20:27.25 | levi | Because Python is so cool. :) |
| 20:28.15 | Hanuman | Python's becoming popular? |
| 20:28.21 | Hanuman | with who? |
| 20:28.46 | sjansen | Linux desktop application programmers. |
| 20:29.11 | Hanuman | It's not popular with me ;-) |
| 20:32.59 | bonez39 | back |
| 20:33.24 | bonez39 | hans: I am getting putty going on my windows machine..to test this |
| 20:38.47 | brailsmt | python will be popular with me when it goes away |
| 20:38.48 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:39.08 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 20:39.16 | Hanuman | me too |
| 20:39.44 | Jayce^ | this is nice.. group of people who all hate python :) for various reasons of course.. |
| 20:39.58 | levi | Hey, you're forgetting me. I like python. |
| 20:40.14 | Jayce^ | nah, you just don't count :D |
| 20:40.26 | hans | i like monty python |
| 20:40.37 | Jayce^ | hans, different beast |
| 20:40.47 | hans | but isn't that where it got its name? |
| 20:41.07 | bonez39 | hans: you are right..I can't get access to it using PUTTY either |
| 20:41.19 | levi | I would, quite seriously, rather use python than perl. I don't like perl. |
| 20:41.21 | Hanuman | I like slithery, slimey things, but I don't like python |
| 20:41.36 | hans | bonez39: is ssh installed on your linux box? |
| 20:41.46 | Hanuman | uh oh - I see a flame war coming |
| 20:42.09 | hans | oh good, a flame war about two languages I don't use often, I can get some real work done now. :) |
| 20:42.11 | brailsmt | i would prefer using perl over python |
| 20:42.25 | Hanuman | bonez39: also, make sure you have ssh selected in putty - it defaults to using just telnet |
| 20:42.36 | levi | Oh, I'm not flaming. Just stating my opinion. |
| 20:43.28 | levi | I have no opinion about ruby, so I won't share one. |
| 20:43.29 | Hanuman | <*bam*> |
| 20:43.43 | Hanuman | <*pow*> |
| 20:44.13 | bonez39 | hans: I believe ssh is install..how do I tell? |
| 20:44.14 | Hanuman | #${slap}# |
| 20:44.46 | Hanuman | #${whack}# |
| 20:45.20 | bonez39 | hanum: I checked that it said ssh instead of telnet..but I am really not sure whether I have the subnet address, the 10.0.0.11 entered in the rightplace in Putty |
| 20:46.25 | bonez39 | ok, I did NOT have ssh installed on my machine..so..am apt-getting it now |
| 20:47.47 | brailsmt | : |
| 20:47.49 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:48.33 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I do! I do! |
| 20:49.12 | brailsmt | its ok, but i like gentoo better for myself, though debian is faster to install things than gentoo, portage and gentoo results is a much more uniform system |
| 20:49.43 | brailsmt | debian is not my favorite distro, but if it weren't for gentoo i would be using it |
| 20:50.01 | brailsmt | so call it my second favorite... |
| 20:50.13 | brailsmt | though i only use it at work... |
| 20:50.47 | levi | I was excited about gentoo, but now I am not so much. |
| 20:51.02 | levi | Compiling everything annoys me. |
| 20:51.24 | levi | And doesn't offer me enough of an advantage to really care. |
| 20:51.38 | levi | So, no future boxes of mine will get gentoo. |
| 20:51.41 | bonez39 | Hans: stilla round? |
| 20:51.46 | bonez39 | I have ssh installed now |
| 20:57.28 | bonez39 | back later |
| 20:59.07 | brailsmt | i have an opinion on being back later... |
| 20:59.09 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 21:44.16 | synic | brailsmt, so I thought I saw you in #c++. I was wondering if you have done any XML parsing with C++? |
| 21:49.34 | brailsmt | synic: i avoid it like the plague... |
| 21:49.39 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 21:49.59 | brailsmt | i have done xml parsing in java and ruby... never in C/C++ |
| 21:50.24 | synic | pfft. Well, you're no help ;-) j/l |
| 21:50.27 | synic | er.. j/k |
| 21:50.56 | synic | hrmm. I was thinking about using xerces... but I can't get it to compile |
| 21:51.09 | brailsmt | i used xerces in java.... |
| 21:51.18 | brailsmt | that was like 3 years ago though... ;) |
| 21:52.12 | synic | I'm still not sure if I get XML entirely yet... |
| 21:52.39 | synic | it seems like it should be a really easy concept, but I can't help but feel as though I'm missing something. |
| 21:53.14 | brailsmt | it is easy, but parsing it can seem difficult to grasp with all the OO stuff thrown in... |
| 21:53.53 | brailsmt | XML parsing is pretty basic, an XML parser contructs a Tree structure from the document |
| 21:54.41 | synic | what's all this DTD stuff? Or the namespace? Why to they have URLs in them? |
| 21:54.51 | brailsmt | the root of the tree is the root tag (the least indented tag if you properly indent your XML files), and each level is a branch from the root |
| 21:55.28 | brailsmt | dtd allow you to define a specific format for a certain type of XML file... |
| 21:55.48 | brailsmt | namespace does what the name implies... |
| 21:56.21 | brailsmt | the url for a dtd is, iirc, a place that the parser can access the DTD in order to parse the XML document according to the DTD |
| 21:56.23 | synic | so what's with the URL in these two elements? |
| 21:56.49 | brailsmt | for namespaces, I don't know why there is a URL... |
| 21:56.59 | brailsmt | and you are rapidly depleting my XML knowledge... |
| 21:57.07 | synic | lol :) |
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| 21:58.20 | synic | well, thanks for the information you did have. Amazing we were both here at the same time for once. |
| 22:02.02 | synic | ok... here's one more go at xerces-c source... |
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| 22:03.46 | bonez39 | :) |
| 22:04.55 | synic | heya bonez39 |
| 22:05.08 | bonez39 | Is there a way to redirect, where files are sought...when linux was installed from a cdrom...? when I iwant to install comething that relies on the original installation location..can I cause it to point to the web instead of to my cdrom drive? |
| 22:05.16 | bonez39 | synic: howdy |
| 22:08.16 | bonez39 | anyone? |
| 22:08.35 | bonez39 | ok |
| 22:08.58 | levi | I have no idea what you're asking. |
| 22:09.14 | levi | What Linux distribution? |
| 22:10.18 | brailsmt | bonez39: that will depend on the linux distribution you are using |
| 22:11.06 | synic | bleh. xerces hates me. |
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| 22:19.56 | bonez39 | levi: debian.. |
| 22:20.24 | bonez39 | it was recentl installed from disc...now when I install something else it routes to the disc, when I would prefer it look online for what it may need |
| 22:20.34 | levi | Ahh. In that case, you want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:21.02 | levi | It should have some lines in there for you to uncomment to do network installs. |
| 22:21.21 | bonez39 | levi: ok..that first entry there..points to the cdrom |
| 22:21.26 | bonez39 | now that makes sense |
| 22:22.07 | levi | If you use dselect, then it has a menu option for selecting your source or something like that. |
| 22:22.19 | levi | I don't remember it very clearly, as I haven't used dselect much in a long time. |
| 22:39.46 | neybar | anyone here passionate about version control (cvs)? |
| 22:40.08 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 22:40.20 | neybar | I am in the process of implementing cvs for my company and I want some idea on the "right" way to do it |
| 22:41.24 | neybar | we are a web company, currently we have a production and a dev server. There is no particular rhyme or reason to where something gets developed or bug fixed. |
| 22:41.57 | brailsmt | so just install cvs and import what you have... ;) |
| 22:43.52 | synic | woohoo. firebird .7 is pretty nice. |
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