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| 13:55.39 | Hanuman | Good morning all |
| 14:13.39 | levi | Yo. |
| 14:14.18 | hans_ | morning |
| 14:14.52 | hans | hmm, wednesday looks like the hard day to cover |
| 14:17.10 | levi | Hmm? |
| 14:18.16 | Hanuman | If you do a "raise money for Hanuman to fly out to Utah" campaign I'll cover all day Wednesday. |
| 14:18.22 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 14:18.49 | levi | Anyone here use gaim to talk on MSN? |
| 14:19.05 | Hanuman | oh the irony... ;-) |
| 14:19.08 | Hanuman | I don't |
| 14:19.31 | Hanuman | Didn't MSN block third-party IM client support? |
| 14:20.16 | hans | ~lart Hatch |
| 14:20.17 | levi | Well, from what the news was saying, they were going to start on the 15th, but I got a message saying I needed to upgrade my client today. |
| 14:20.22 | hans | Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has a dire warning for the millions of digital song file swappers out there -- what you're doing might be worse than shoplifting. Hatch, in remarks at the National Press Club last Friday, said that not only does file sharing rob artists and recording companies of their fair dues, it exposes people to identity theft and could trigger massive lawsuits against the technology community. |
| 14:20.43 | levi | None of my MSN buddies appear to be on, but I can't tell whether that's because MSN blocked me or they're really not on. |
| 14:21.07 | hans | levi: I thought that wasn't til mid-october |
| 14:21.17 | levi | Well, running Kazaa exposes you to spyware. |
| 14:21.21 | levi | hans: That's what I just said. |
| 14:21.34 | levi | I thought it wasn't either, but I got a 'you must upgrade!' message. |
| 14:22.00 | levi | Ahh, it's still working. :) |
| 14:22.23 | hans | ah, missed that |
| 14:22.29 | hans | too busy pasting. :) |
| 14:23.15 | levi | Orrin Hatch bugs me. He goes and does some good things, and then he turns around and does really annoying things. |
| 14:29.00 | hans | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/33212.html (verisign backs down) |
| 14:54.11 | Hanuman | Hatch tends to get over his head in things he doesn't know anything about |
| 14:54.26 | Hanuman | He understands music in this instance, but nothing about technology |
| 14:54.39 | Hanuman | Same thing with the patriot act |
| 14:54.58 | Hanuman | He had good intentions, but no idea as to where it would lead |
| 14:55.31 | Hanuman | levi: have you upgraded to the latest gaim? |
| 14:55.50 | Hanuman | I think at least trillion (don't know about gaim) has fixed most of those problems |
| 14:56.09 | Hanuman | with their latest release |
| 14:56.40 | Hanuman | Orin Hatch is still living in the Cold War |
| 14:57.09 | levi | Hanuman: Doesn't seem to really be a problem. A MSN buddy logged on and it's working fine. I guess it's just a warning before the Oct 15 cutoff. |
| 14:57.18 | Hanuman | maybe |
| 14:57.36 | Hanuman | yahoo's was doing that for awhile until it cutoff all the way |
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| 16:10.13 | Hanuman | stupid question (but serious) - openssl doesn't affect modssl any does it? |
| 16:10.21 | Hanuman | and what all does openssl affect? |
| 16:10.33 | Jayce^ | yes, recompile your mod_ssl |
| 16:10.50 | Jayce^ | openssh, samba, quite a few things.. depending on how they link to it |
| 16:10.57 | Hanuman | cool - that's what I wanted to know |
| 16:11.10 | Hanuman | I thought that, but wanted to make sure |
| 16:12.36 | sjansen | Are you guys talking about the ssl vulnerabilities of a week ago, or are there even more I haven't heard about? |
| 16:13.45 | Jayce^ | week ago |
| 16:16.14 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 16:17.03 | Hanuman | We just had our hosting guys do the updates and I was just making sure on what I needed to test. |
| 16:17.20 | Hanuman | Cool - bugtrak just announced a root exploit on SUSE |
| 16:17.28 | sjansen | We had a crazy couple of weeks there. |
| 16:18.08 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 16:18.11 | Jayce^ | via what? |
| 16:19.05 | sjansen | Just referring to the batch of SSH/SSL vulnerabilities. |
| 16:19.22 | sjansen | Oh, you're referring to the SUSE exploit. |
| 16:21.01 | Hanuman | "A symlink vulnerability exists in the shell script |
| 16:21.01 | Hanuman | /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.susewm, line 86. This shell script is part of the |
| 16:21.01 | Hanuman | "susewm" package. This package is required by the package "kdebase3", so if |
| 16:21.03 | Hanuman | KDE3 is installed on your system(s), you should be vulnerable." |
| 16:21.46 | Hanuman | So I wouldn't be vulnerable |
| 16:21.57 | Hanuman | No KDE here |
| 16:22.04 | Hanuman | No SUSE either |
| 16:49.48 | Hanuman | Jayce^: when and where is OSCON next year? |
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| 16:52.09 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 16:52.37 | Hanuman | ahoyhoy |
| 16:53.04 | Bonez39 | ah, Mr. Burns..... |
| 16:53.15 | Bonez39 | why does he say that? did you tell the other day? |
| 16:54.44 | Hanuman | www.ahoyhoy.org |
| 16:55.24 | Hanuman | sorry - http://www.ahoyhoy.org/about.html |
| 16:55.30 | Bonez39 | thaks |
| 16:55.32 | Bonez39 | thanks |
| 16:56.52 | hans | Bonez39: did you get things figured out? |
| 16:56.57 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, Portland, July |
| 16:57.20 | levi | Heh. A coworker and friend of mine runs ahoyhoy.org |
| 16:57.45 | levi | He's a cool guy, I was just over chatting with him. |
| 16:58.30 | sjansen | I can't help but notice that we still don't have full coverage for the LOTR line. |
| 16:59.30 | hans | i was noticing the same thing |
| 16:59.48 | hans | and unfortunately it's the more important segment of the time. tuesday's probably not that vital, I bet |
| 17:02.47 | Jayce^ | depending on the wireless connection, I'll be filling it |
| 17:02.53 | Jayce^ | we should hear about that today |
| 17:04.34 | neybar | my brother will fill in for part of wednesday, I'm guessing the middle part of the day. |
| 17:08.01 | Hanuman | levi: that's funny |
| 17:08.54 | levi | What's funny? |
| 17:08.55 | Hanuman | Jayce^: is there just one convention to pay for? Or are there multiple things going on at the same time? |
| 17:09.05 | Hanuman | levi: the fact that you know the guy that runs that site |
| 17:09.12 | Hanuman | I just looked it up on google a couple days ago |
| 17:09.30 | levi | I think that's where he gets a lot of his hits. |
| 17:09.41 | Hanuman | he's number one for ahoyhoy |
| 17:09.50 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:10.28 | Hanuman | he ought to put up ads for simpsons memorabilia and make some money from it |
| 17:10.43 | Hanuman | that and thinkgeek |
| 17:14.31 | hans | how do I tell what user a process is running as? |
| 17:14.33 | hans | and group |
| 17:15.09 | sjansen | ps |
| 17:15.25 | hans | found it - u flag in ps |
| 17:38.48 | Bonez39 | hans..no, but I am making progress |
| 17:39.24 | sjansen | So I'm doing some internal documentation of apache virtual hosts. Because of our chosen security provider, it's a real pain. |
| 17:39.26 | Bonez39 | hans: here's what I found: if I log on under 2.4.18 kernel, I get net access, but still can't get past the gdm screen to login in to gnome |
| 17:39.47 | Bonez39 | I can, under 2.4.18 access the net, so I know my NIC and networking is working on my linux box... |
| 17:39.57 | sjansen | The first line is "You really don't want to do this." I include all kinds of "__Do not__" and even "(I told you you didn't want to do this.)" |
| 17:40.03 | sjansen | sheesh, what a pain |
| 17:40.22 | Bonez39 | under 2.4.20 I can't access the net, but I get to the same level ...it now allows my user name, but after the password is entered it gives another errors and says to enter user name again |
| 17:43.47 | hans | Bonez39: ok, then boot into 2.4.18 and do this: |
| 17:43.53 | hans | apt-get --reinstall install pam-modules |
| 17:46.37 | Bonez39 | ok...right away |
| 17:49.25 | Bonez39 | instead of pam-modules, I am trying libpam-modules..it couldn't fine pam-modules....using apt-cache search pam |
| 17:49.49 | Bonez39 | anyway, it installed, that....should I reboot it now ? |
| 17:54.19 | hans | very good. |
| 17:54.33 | Bonez39 | ok, should I reboot it? |
| 17:54.42 | hans | you shouldn't have to reboot. |
| 17:54.50 | Bonez39 | ok.....where to now? |
| 17:54.53 | hans | i assume you're in single user mode? |
| 17:55.05 | Bonez39 | yeah, but tellme..how do I check what mode I am in? |
| 17:56.04 | hans | ps afx | grep init |
| 17:56.19 | hans | I think the number in brackets is the current runlevel |
| 17:56.24 | hans | I could be hallucinating though. |
| 17:56.40 | hans | ok, then switch to runlevel two (telinit 2) and see if you can log in |
| 17:56.58 | hans | if the display manager doesn't let you, try again at the virtual console |
| 17:57.33 | Bonez39 | it all says {s} |
| 17:57.39 | Bonez39 | or rather [S] |
| 17:58.02 | hans | s for single user |
| 17:58.10 | Bonez39 | OK....it's switching to run level 2 |
| 17:59.20 | Bonez39 | ok, I get the graphical login prompt...I enter Scott...and then it replies with "System bootup in progress, please wait"..i hit ithe enter key and it asks my password. |
| 18:00.19 | Bonez39 | then after a few seconds..it replies...Incorrect login...username or password are incorrect..please use correct upper and lower case, blah blah blah...It of course won't allow me to log in as root |
| 18:02.04 | Bonez39 | ok, at a virtual console, I can change password....I su to scott..then changed the password, then changed it back..so I know that 'scott' exists..and that I can alter the password...from virtual console.. |
| 18:02.14 | Bonez39 | it's just that nothing works at the graphical login. |
| 18:02.39 | hans | and you can log in as scott from the virtual console? |
| 18:03.11 | Bonez39 | NO, it won't let me from there..but it will as root |
| 18:04.04 | Bonez39 | if I attempt to login as 'scott' at virtual console, it renders "System bootup in progress - please wait. and returns with Login incorrect and then the login prompt. |
| 18:05.58 | Bonez39 | betcha wish you never ran into me, eh? |
| 18:10.03 | hans | hmm. |
| 18:12.26 | hans | looking into that |
| 18:12.41 | hans | you are all booted into runlevel two, right? |
| 18:13.12 | hans | Does the file /etc/nologin exist? |
| 18:14.03 | hans | if so, remove it and try again |
| 18:14.22 | hans | (it's created at boot time and then should be removed. you're not going to hurt anything doing it manually) |
| 18:15.52 | hans | ok, thanks to stuart I have figured out jspwiki for here at work. I could move the lotr line wiki if we think there's enough value-add |
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| 18:16.45 | neybar | probably not worth it, unless you are bored. we only have one more day left on the line aspect... |
| 18:18.51 | Bonez39 | hans? yeah, .... I think ...checking that.. |
| 18:19.51 | Bonez39 | yes at run level 2 now |
| 18:20.17 | Bonez39 | I installed xchat-text on my linux machine..and can run it, but can never figure out how to exit it yet... |
| 18:20.36 | Bonez39 | if that would be easier, Icould load and run that..and join the channel here from that machine. |
| 18:20.52 | hans | Bonez39: I use irssi for text irc |
| 18:20.57 | hans | (i.e. all the time. ;-) |
| 18:21.12 | hans | either way, that's fine |
| 18:21.33 | Bonez39 | yeah..../etc/nologin exists..and it has that sentence System bootup inprogress - please wait. |
| 18:22.45 | Bonez39 | maybe I should grab irssi..is it easy to set up and use? |
| 18:24.57 | Bonez39 | I am installing irssi now.. |
| 18:28.05 | Bonez39 | +++ here's another issue. I installed irssi and then wanted to read the man page..so I entered man irssi.. which caused a response of the system telling me that Terminal was setup properly...to hit Return...then the man page came up...any ideas why it would do that? is X needing to be refreshed? updated? |
| 18:28.10 | Hanuman | Bonez39: irssi rules |
| 18:28.56 | Bonez39 | Hanuman: good, glad I am picking a good text chat client |
| 18:29.04 | Hanuman | ok - since I can't upload to cvs, files, etc. right now - for those in ldsoss, let me know what you think: |
| 18:29.12 | Bonez39 | so I just tellit "irssi-text" to launch it? |
| 18:29.13 | Hanuman | http://www.thestays.org/ldsoss.html |
| 18:29.30 | Hanuman | irssi irc.freenode.net |
| 18:29.42 | Hanuman | sorry - just irssi |
| 18:29.58 | Hanuman | I always make that mistake |
| 18:30.13 | Hanuman | I think there's a comman-line option to tell it where to connect |
| 18:30.39 | Hanuman | or "screen irssi" if you want to use screen and access your session from multiple machines |
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| 18:32.25 | root_ | I know..I shouldn't run as root..how do I quit xchat-text...so I can switch to user name? |
| 18:33.09 | Bonez39 | that's me..that root_..I can't quit from xchat-text... what should I try to kill that and restart as a user? |
| 18:34.53 | root_ | I am going to try to kill this and restart.. |
| 18:38.47 | hans | Bonez39: maybe /quit |
| 18:38.58 | Bonez39 | tried that.. no response |
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| 18:40.35 | bonez | ok...it's me..doctor..;) |
| 18:40.52 | Bonez39 | leaving this one...willb e here as bonez at other machien.. |
| 18:41.48 | hans | Bonez*: I'll be up your way tomorrow for some reason, and if you're still having trouble I could help in exchange for someone taking my spot in line in the meantime. :) |
| 18:42.46 | bonez | really? any |
| 18:42.49 | bonez | e |
| 18:42.53 | bonez | any |
| 18:42.56 | bonez | A |
| 18:43.03 | bonez | any idea when you are coming up? |
| 18:43.22 | bonez | normally I am off Tuesday, but I can check my schedule with my wife..and see about a time to meet with you |
| 18:43.34 | bonez | I have moved to a different location, just north on 700 East.. at 8045 south |
| 18:44.13 | bonez | how do I change my profile...I hate broadcasting my ie identity to the net.. |
| 18:44.39 | bonez | never mind |
| 18:44.51 | bonez | I'll grin and bear it this way for now |
| 18:45.12 | bonez | |
| 18:48.33 | Hanuman | bonez: I would totally help you in exchange for a Chiropractic massage/visit, but I live in VA |
| 18:48.58 | bonez | really? well, wish I could extend my era reach to Virginia.. |
| 18:49.05 | Hanuman | :-) |
| 18:49.13 | bonez | I'll be right back..I think I figured out how to exit from xchat |
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| 18:50.09 | bonez | ok..back..and I can can close now..so I am not in xchat-text hell |
| 18:51.54 | bonez | xchat-text doesn't even document / |
| 18:52.12 | bonez | they do not document that '/close' will exit from the program. |
| 18:55.39 | hans | bonez: between 9 and 5 |
| 18:56.39 | bonez | hmmmm let me get back to you..you are coming up here to shop or take care of other business, right? I can give you my cell and office numbers and coordinate that way..if that works fo ryou |
| 18:57.10 | bonez | can I disconnect my keyboard (it's USB) without powering down? |
| 18:57.21 | bonez | I guess I need to be powered off to disconnect it or the mouse, right? |
| 18:59.36 | brailsmt | you should be able to connect and disconnect usb devices at will... |
| 19:01.15 | brailsmt | i unplug my usb from my laptop all the time |
| 19:01.46 | brailsmt | my usb mouse that is |
| 19:01.52 | bonez | the keyboard is usb..has a USB connector, but also has the bus connector, the round with 8 pins or so..is that still ok? the mouse mosue ok to disconnect? |
| 19:02.07 | bonez | sorry, my typing is weird..not used to this chat client |
| 19:03.05 | brailsmt | will if your kbd has bot connectors, and it is plugged in with just the usb, then it should be ok to unplug... |
| 19:03.16 | brailsmt | just try it, what is teh worst that can happen? a reboot? |
| 19:03.53 | bonez | yeah, I guess |
| 19:05.52 | bonez | ok |
| 19:05.54 | bonez | I am back |
| 19:05.56 | bonez | that's cool |
| 19:06.12 | brailsmt | did it work? |
| 19:06.15 | bonez | can you still see me ? yeah |
| 19:06.19 | bonez | it appears to have worked |
| 19:06.28 | brailsmt | well, your typing has improved :) |
| 19:06.47 | bonez | |
| 19:06.56 | brailsmt | well, it had at least... |
| 19:06.59 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:07.08 | bonez | thanks, at least it gets the cords from hanging over the edge f the desk |
| 19:07.20 | bonez | is it looking ok now? |
| 19:07.59 | bonez | how do Ilist the users in this channel? |
| 19:09.56 | bonez | ? |
| 19:10.19 | bonez | am I still on ? |
| 19:10.51 | bonez | I am rather lost as I can't tell who else is in the channel |
| 19:14.33 | sjansen | There's a bunch of us here. |
| 19:15.06 | Hanuman | I'm here |
| 19:16.09 | Hanuman | bonez: /help is your friend |
| 19:16.58 | bonez | ok.. |
| 19:17.07 | bonez | hu |
| 19:17.44 | bonez | Hanuman: I know it shold be should be my friend, but as with the /close argumaent which is undocumented..I think there are other undocumented xchat-text commands that I need..but can not access |
| 19:18.06 | bonez | I'll figure it out eventually...maybe I should exit out and try irssi instead |
| 19:18.07 | Hanuman | oh - you're using xchat-text |
| 19:18.10 | bonez | yeah.. |
| 19:18.13 | Hanuman | I can only help you with irssi |
| 19:18.16 | Hanuman | (somewhat) |
| 19:18.22 | bonez | ok..I will exit and launch irssi |
| 19:18.33 | Hanuman | anyone here familiar with gforge at all? |
| 19:18.39 | Hanuman | ie setup |
| 19:18.50 | Hanuman | ie=for example, not internet explorer |
| 19:19.18 | Hanuman | I need a good howto |
| 19:21.57 | sjansen | http://www.itworld.com/Man/2685/031006sgisco/ |
| 19:21.58 | *** join/#utah bonez (~scott@64.122.114.148) |
| 19:22.29 | bonez | Hanuman: I can't load irssi-text it says I don't have setuparm set up, or set up files in ~/. .irssi/ |
| 19:22.42 | sjansen | Wouldn't it be sad if this whole thing turns out to be some junior programmer forgetting to ignore empty lines while doing the audit. |
| 19:23.03 | Hanuman | bonez: what distro are you using? |
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| 19:56.27 | sanchiro | hanu |
| 19:56.30 | sanchiro | hanumah |
| 19:56.38 | sanchiro | Hanuman: still h |
| 19:56.40 | sanchiro | here? |
| 19:56.49 | sanchiro | or sjansen? |
| 20:02.16 | Hanuman | i |
| 20:02.19 | Hanuman | i i i |
| 20:02.24 | Hanuman | I'm her |
| 20:02.25 | Hanuman | here |
| 20:02.27 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 20:05.09 | brailsmt_work | that's a freudian slip if I ever saw one... :) |
| 20:06.55 | sjansen | sanchiro: Yes? |
| 20:29.45 | sjansen | Ack, bear. |
| 20:36.16 | Hanuman | cool - just discovered a mongolian bbq in our area |
| 21:00.02 | hans | sanchiro: still there? |
| 21:06.51 | Jayce^ | might have wireless access there.. |
| 21:07.36 | hans | anyone know yet how much it will cost? |
| 21:07.53 | Jayce^ | trying to get free access |
| 21:08.18 | hans | no, the tickets |
| 21:09.06 | Jayce^ | ah, I think they said $30 each |
| 21:09.33 | neybar | yup |
| 21:09.45 | hans | $30? are you rounding up or are they charging more than $7 a movie? |
| 21:10.00 | Jayce^ | think it includes a popcorn and drink |
| 21:10.14 | Jayce^ | hopefully with refills :) |
| 21:10.43 | neybar | I just got word back on wireless. Evidently pclaptops is setting up wireless access points around the commons area. I am trying to get ahold of some one from pclaptops to see how the access is going to work. I have no idea if it is free or not yet. |
| 21:10.45 | hans | better be unlimited refills to charge $9 for it |
| 21:10.59 | Jayce^ | neybar, let me try my contacts.. |
| 21:10.59 | neybar | yes "free" refills on popcorn and drinks |
| 21:11.10 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 21:11.50 | neybar | the guy wasn't sure if there was going to be access available outside where the line is |
| 21:12.33 | Jayce^ | as long as the line has access |
| 21:12.47 | Jayce^ | hans, maybe I'll head up with you in the morning to scope things out.. |
| 21:12.51 | Jayce^ | see what all we need |
| 21:14.47 | hans | Jayce^: sure, that'd be cool. Then I wouldn't have to ride the bus all the way up |
| 21:15.45 | Jayce^ | k, got my neighbor who works at TAC is calling people at pclaptops.. |
| 21:15.55 | neybar | looks like the lineup is mostly full execpt for 3:30-7:30 on wed |
| 21:15.57 | Jayce^ | hans, when can you get to Lehi? |
| 21:16.09 | Jayce^ | if we have power/online, I can handle it |
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| 21:19.59 | hans | Jayce^: I can get to center and main at 8:07 or 8:37 |
| 21:21.24 | Jayce^ | 8 would be best.. |
| 21:21.53 | Jayce^ | then we'll be there in time |
| 21:24.32 | hans | k, 8:07am |
| 21:29.16 | Jayce^ | free 802.11 in line |
| 21:34.22 | Jayce^ | check that, that's for december.. nothing this week.. |
| 21:34.28 | Jayce^ | neybar, can you talk to bbsc then? |
| 21:34.37 | Jayce^ | just talked to VP of pclaptops.. |
| 21:38.44 | neybar | cool, what did he say? |
| 21:40.59 | Jayce^ | they are setting up wireless starting this weekend, and getting things ready for matrix and lotr lines when people are trying to get in.. |
| 21:41.04 | Jayce^ | but *not* for this week.. |
| 21:41.16 | Jayce^ | so whoever talked to bbsc misinformed them |
| 21:42.54 | neybar | tsck... the lady I talked to wasn't very technical. It isn't surprising that she misunderstood me. |
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| 23:37.41 | hans | scott_, bonez39, sanchiro, etc.: gimme a call to talk about tomorrow. You still have my number right? If you don't get ahold of me you can find me in line at Jordon Commons Cineplex |
| 23:37.49 | hans | (tomorrow) |