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| 02:11.19 | hans | someone tell me there is a simple open source defect-tracking system out there (aside from hosting the project on sourceforge) |
| 02:36.27 | Mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.35 | Mecworks | (completely off topic BTW) |
| 02:39.46 | hans | Mecworks: the really lame one |
| 02:40.03 | hans | or was that the one they did completely post-mortem with old footage? |
| 02:42.53 | Mecworks | No, the post mortem footage was after he died. I agree, the one that he died in was lame. I actual wanted to know so I could avoid buying it ... 8^) |
| 02:46.08 | Mecworks | Hm. Looks like he died in '80. Train of the pink panther was released in '82 |
| 02:46.28 | Mecworks | s/Train/Trail/g |
| 02:48.41 | uncle_jesse | Is there a way to map an xmodmap keycode to a bash shell command? |
| 02:49.08 | uncle_jesse | I'm setting up my ATI RemoteWonder and would like to use it to launch applications |
| 02:49.41 | Mecworks | You could use an alias |
| 02:49.57 | uncle_jesse | like how? |
| 02:50.45 | Mecworks | what type of command are you using to set the xmodmap keycode and how do you do your launching of the STI stuff? |
| 02:51.21 | Mecworks | s/sti/ati/g |
| 02:51.34 | uncle_jesse | Well, I want to launch "xmodmap $home/.xmodmap_mythtv | mythfrontend" |
| 02:52.16 | uncle_jesse | I have /etc/profile running "xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc" |
| 02:52.24 | Mecworks | alias mycmd="xmodmap $home/.xmodmap_mythtv | mythfrontend" |
| 02:52.30 | Mecworks | then run mycmd |
| 02:52.34 | Mecworks | set this in your .bashrc |
| 02:52.49 | uncle_jesse | yeah, but how do I get xmodmap to run that command? |
| 02:53.12 | uncle_jesse | I can only see ways to map particular keys to keycodes |
| 02:53.22 | uncle_jesse | in the .xmodmaprc files |
| 02:53.43 | uncle_jesse | I want to map a keycode to a command, not just a key |
| 02:53.49 | Mecworks | I see. |
| 02:53.52 | Mecworks | hm |
| 02:54.08 | uncle_jesse | I'm trying to get my tv button to launch MythTV on my computer |
| 02:54.32 | uncle_jesse | and the mythtvrc file above uses special keycodes for MythTV |
| 02:55.42 | Mecworks | I see. |
| 02:57.16 | Mecworks | no idea right now... |
| 03:15.53 | uncle_jesse | man - won't go on #mythtv again - those guys are really rude! |
| 03:19.35 | Mecworks | that's too bad |
| 04:35.30 | Jayce^ | uncle_jesse, look at xbindkeys for putting commands to keys |
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| 13:20.37 | uncle_jesse | Jayce^: found that last night - works beautifully |
| 13:20.41 | uncle_jesse | tnx |
| 13:21.24 | uncle_jesse | Now I just need to figure out why MythTV isn't accepting all the keycodes I sent it from xmodmap - some work but some don't |
| 13:21.35 | uncle_jesse | I think it's a mythtv issue, though |
| 13:21.49 | uncle_jesse | Anyone read Foxtrot this morning? |
| 13:21.58 | uncle_jesse | (w/ the blackboard) |
| 13:32.47 | Hanuman | I like this name much better I think |
| 13:40.52 | Hanuman | For those who didn't read Foxtrot: |
| 13:40.59 | Hanuman | #include <stdio.h> |
| 13:41.04 | Hanuman | int main(void) |
| 13:41.04 | Hanuman | { |
| 13:41.13 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.26 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.45 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.53 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.55 | Hanuman | } |
| 13:42.07 | Hanuman | That's going to be my son |
| 13:42.19 | hans | ROFL |
| 14:04.40 | Hanuman | hans: know of any other groups similar to afro celtic soundsystem? |
| 14:13.27 | hans | haven't found any quite like it |
| 14:13.47 | hans | the genre is world music though, so you might try there |
| 14:27.45 | Jayce^ | hans, you check out rt? |
| 14:33.42 | Hanuman | Jayce^: do you use xbindkeys for your Logitech mouse? |
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| 14:38.12 | Jayce^ | no |
| 14:38.24 | Jayce^ | been thinking about it though.. |
| 14:38.33 | Jayce^ | just extended keyboard keys |
| 14:39.03 | Hanuman | k |
| 14:39.15 | Hanuman | I'm thinking of what I'm going to do with my extra buttons right now |
| 14:39.37 | Hanuman | I want to get my rf remote working full-spell, first though |
| 15:01.48 | hans | Jayce^: is it hard to set up? |
| 15:02.44 | Hanuman | hans: xbindkeys? |
| 15:03.07 | Hanuman | xbinkeys is fairly easy to set up |
| 15:03.33 | Hanuman | I just hit TV on my remote and it launches mythtv with my xmodmap settings |
| 15:04.19 | Hanuman | The cool thing about it is that mythtv runs as its own x server, so I can run it on a machine in another room using my rf remote |
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| 15:05.34 | Bonez39 | hola |
| 15:05.50 | sjansen | Bonez39: oi |
| 15:06.26 | hans | Hanuman: no, rt |
| 15:08.53 | Hanuman | oh |
| 15:09.01 | Hanuman | ahoyhoy |
| 15:09.45 | sjansen | Hanuman: What language is that? |
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| 15:10.43 | Hanuman | sjansen: not sure - its from Simpsons |
| 15:14.06 | Hanuman | sjansen: mr burns always answers the phone w/ that |
| 15:17.49 | neybar | type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY n3yb4r |
| 15:19.56 | Bonez39 | sjansen: hello |
| 15:20.22 | Bonez39 | Burns answers that way? I never noticed, but will watch next time I watch the Simpsons |
| 15:20.31 | sjansen | Interesting piece of trivial, Bell tried to establish "ahoy" as proper etiquette for answering the phone. |
| 15:23.24 | Hanuman | sjansen: I was wondering that |
| 15:23.27 | Jayce^ | nice passwd neybar? |
| 15:23.30 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:23.49 | Hanuman | neybar - I typed it ;-) |
| 15:35.22 | Bonez39 | hans: any other ideas for my PAM problem? |
| 15:35.41 | Hanuman | Cool - got this from bugtraq: |
| 15:35.42 | Hanuman | http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?s=e6e7d0ce0abe19997425ef50fa7fe1df&threadid=10692 |
| 15:35.52 | Hanuman | Good 'ol MS |
| 15:45.35 | Hanuman | sjansen: http://www.ahoyhoy.org/about.html - don't know if that's where you got it from, but a great history lesson nonetheless |
| 15:47.41 | neybar | doh |
| 15:48.17 | Jayce^ | maybe I'll just start saying the co-salish "klahowya" then |
| 15:49.01 | Hanuman | neybar: that means "fart" in Thai |
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| 15:49.08 | neybar | lol |
| 15:49.46 | neybar | now I need to remember how to change passwords with nickserv ... |
| 15:49.50 | sjansen | Cool site. |
| 15:51.06 | Jayce^ | oh, saw on a board that jordan commons is going to do the full lotr's in one day... |
| 15:51.17 | neybar | sweet! |
| 15:51.23 | Jayce^ | anybody have a contact number for them so I can confirm/get tickets? |
| 15:51.28 | neybar | no kidding |
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| 15:53.15 | emcnabb | has anyone else had a lot of problems with Jabber recently? |
| 15:53.33 | sjansen | I don't use Jabber. Too much trouble, never could find a good server. |
| 15:53.37 | Jayce^ | there servers were down a bit |
| 15:53.51 | Jayce^ | but you could set up your own sjansen :) |
| 15:53.57 | Jayce^ | byu.edu jabber addresses ? :) |
| 15:54.09 | sjansen | Yeah, I looked at doing that, but it wasn't too much trouble. |
| 15:54.20 | sjansen | s/wasn't/was/ |
| 15:54.29 | emcnabb | we did it in the office for a while but it was a pain |
| 15:54.41 | emcnabb | mutt question |
| 15:55.03 | emcnabb | how do you forward a message with the attachments sent by default? |
| 15:55.13 | Jayce^ | http://www.ringfaq.com/slcline/ |
| 15:55.24 | sjansen | emcnabb: emerger evolution |
| 15:56.16 | emcnabb | sjansen, um... no |
| 15:56.39 | emcnabb | I prefer more manly mail clients |
| 15:56.50 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:59.45 | neybar | one that makes it difficult to forward an attachment? :-P |
| 16:02.53 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:03.13 | sjansen | Jayce^: PKing? |
| 16:04.12 | Jayce^ | player killing.... Legend of the Red Dragon |
| 16:07.19 | Hanuman | Jayce^: Jordan Commons is where I saw SW Ep. 1 for the first time. It was right next to my (then) fiance's house |
| 16:07.47 | sjansen | Argh. Our apache configuration wasn't designed to handle VirtualHosts. Now I'm trying to bolt it on. Everything is easy, except getting mod_jk and our auth system to play nice. |
| 16:07.48 | Bradipo | When is Star Wars III coming out? |
| 16:08.20 | Jayce^ | 2005 |
| 16:09.04 | emcnabb | Star Wars III - The Return of Longhorn |
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| 16:09.13 | emcnabb | they have the same release schedule |
| 16:09.26 | sjansen | I wish there were some way to put host specific directives in multiple places. |
| 16:10.21 | Jayce^ | sjansen, like what? |
| 16:12.44 | sjansen | We've split our configuration out into multiple files. The httpd.conf contains settings consisten across all machines. It includes local.conf with (surprise) local details. That way, if we need to make a change across all machines, we just update the file. |
| 16:13.16 | sjansen | httpd.conf contains <VirtualHost _default_:443> SSL directives, which we want to be handled the same everywhere. |
| 16:13.23 | emcnabb | did you guys read foxtrot today? |
| 16:13.51 | sjansen | But in the local.conf I need to add some mod_jk related directives for only _default_:443. |
| 16:14.05 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you know, with mod_perl you can do your httpd.conf programmatically? |
| 16:14.14 | Jayce^ | get the info from a db, ldap, files, whatever :) |
| 16:14.37 | sjansen | Most of our machines are handling only one host. We can get away with putting directives outside the VirtualHost and it updates nicely. |
| 16:15.07 | sjansen | Hmm.... that would be cool. Put our configuration in an ldap server. |
| 16:15.17 | sjansen | But short term it's not a solution. |
| 16:21.14 | Bonez39 | join #debian |
| 16:22.23 | emcnabb | Welcome to #debian |
| 16:22.24 | Jayce^ | need the slash first Bonez39.. |
| 16:22.44 | Bonez39 | Jayce^: thanks...I figured as much as soon as I hit ENTER |
| 16:23.51 | sjansen | Jayce^: So, can mod_perl also do reporting? I'm thinking it would be cool if in addition to reading its config from the ldap server, it could report it's version. |
| 16:24.15 | sjansen | That way the server helps maintain an inventory of itself. |
| 16:24.27 | Jayce^ | report the version?? eg which config it pulls? |
| 16:24.55 | sjansen | Something like: IP address, Apache 1.3.27, mod_ssl 0.97, etc. |
| 16:25.01 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 16:25.33 | Jayce^ | in mod_perl, you are just giving perl hooks into all the C api internals... so you can access/manipulate apache in any way that C could. |
| 16:25.41 | sjansen | So the server can _push_ this information during startup? |
| 16:25.46 | Jayce^ | it's a lot different then the content mods... |
| 16:26.07 | sjansen | s/the server/apache/ |
| 16:26.21 | Jayce^ | to an extent.. part of the header info is only alterable in compile time.. but you actually can modify thta part of the header some.. pushing on.. I've seen that done |
| 16:26.28 | Jayce^ | axkit does it |
| 16:26.49 | Jayce^ | I'm probably going to have to give a presentation this month, so it'll probably be mod_perl... |
| 16:26.54 | sjansen | Right, I want to know compile time info. Make it easier to identify who needs to be updated. |
| 16:27.02 | Jayce^ | although that's the part of mod_perl I've done the least with. |
| 16:27.45 | Jayce^ | so you want your config to flash a warning if something is running an older version that $x |
| 16:28.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, have I got a book for you then |
| 16:28.30 | sjansen | I just want to be able to query the config database to inventory web servers. |
| 16:28.59 | sjansen | What book? |
| 16:29.13 | Jayce^ | the new mod_perl book.. gives a lot of info on that.. |
| 16:30.16 | sjansen | Which mod_perl book? |
| 16:30.53 | Jayce^ | practical mod_perl... possibly Mod_perl developers cookbook too.. |
| 16:31.08 | Jayce^ | although writing apache Modules in Perl and C might be up your alley too |
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| 16:54.15 | sjansen | I love pay day. |
| 16:54.37 | emcnabb | it would be payday if I would have remember to turn in my time card last week |
| 16:55.48 | sjansen | My last paycheck was off by $6/hour. Making this one especially nice. |
| 16:58.20 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 16:58.24 | Jayce^ | that's quite a cut |
| 16:59.25 | hans | man, I leave for an hour and a half and... |
| 16:59.34 | hans | Bonez39: did you ever get network access? |
| 16:59.46 | hans | new knoppix on ftp://uug.byu.edu btw |
| 16:59.57 | Jayce^ | hans, what version? |
| 17:00.01 | hans | 3.3 |
| 17:00.08 | sjansen | Jayce^: And I didn't even notice. Thankfully the secretary did. |
| 17:01.34 | hans | how do we get tickets to the big lotr showing? is it on just one day (the 16th)? |
| 17:01.57 | hans | I have a final on the 16th, i think |
| 17:02.14 | Bonez39 | no, have not yet |
| 17:02.18 | sjansen | hans: skip the final |
| 17:02.51 | sjansen | You can always repeat the class. But LOTR is a once in a life time chance. |
| 17:03.11 | Jayce^ | great.. new IE vulnerabilty, as of yet unpatched, exploitable by a banner ad in circulation right now |
| 17:03.36 | Jayce^ | hans, tickets aren't on sale yet.. but I will find a way to get some |
| 17:03.38 | Hanuman | hans: tell the professor you're engaged - that always works |
| 17:03.43 | hans | ah, nope - final's on the 17th |
| 17:03.48 | Hanuman | worked for me at least |
| 17:04.05 | hans | Hanuman: might work if i remember to remove my ring. ;) |
| 17:04.25 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I get new vulnerabilities every day from bugtrak - I'm on the win list |
| 17:04.30 | hans | Bonez39: I can't think of anything without network access. But there may be some pam expert somewhere who does know what to do |
| 17:04.46 | Hanuman | hans: tell him you're wife is pregnant and very morning sick - she needed you home |
| 17:05.13 | Hanuman | didn't see your post above - so you're okay then |
| 17:05.48 | Hanuman | emcnabb: yeah - read Foxtrot this morning - that will be my kids when they get punished in school |
| 17:06.38 | Hanuman | Jayce^: it's either new IE vulnerabilities or modssl exploits |
| 17:06.47 | Hanuman | s/modssl/openssl/ |
| 17:08.01 | emcnabb | Hanuman, :-) |
| 17:08.58 | neybar | Jayce^: did you find out when the tickets go on sale? |
| 17:10.08 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 17:10.19 | Jayce^ | somebody want to call jordan commons? |
| 17:10.24 | Jayce^ | should be soon.. |
| 17:10.46 | Jayce^ | theonering site has people getting together to try and buy them at once.. but it says they aren't selling to groups.. |
| 17:12.33 | brailsmt | when does rotk come out? |
| 17:12.45 | Jayce^ | 12:00 on the 17th.. |
| 17:12.50 | Jayce^ | of december |
| 17:12.54 | brailsmt | of... |
| 17:12.56 | brailsmt | ok... |
| 17:13.00 | brailsmt | my bday :) |
| 17:13.22 | Jayce^ | my bro's is the 16th |
| 17:14.08 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I thought the all-in-one-day showing was going to start at 11pm on the 16th |
| 17:14.16 | brailsmt | foxtrot is hilarious... |
| 17:15.04 | Jayce^ | be kinda hard to start at 11 on the 16th :) |
| 17:15.14 | Jayce^ | no, it starts at like 3 or so on the 16th, |
| 17:15.23 | Jayce^ | shows the first two, in extended format |
| 17:15.30 | Jayce^ | then at 12 shows rotk.. |
| 17:15.36 | neybar | ah crap |
| 17:15.45 | Jayce^ | who's theatrical release run-time is announced at 3 and a half hours!!! |
| 17:15.46 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:15.49 | Hanuman | No - the final of the 3 showings (ROTK) will show at 11 on the 16th |
| 17:16.01 | Jayce^ | neybar, what? |
| 17:16.01 | neybar | I just called jordan commons, the tickets go on sale at 9:00 AM on the 9th |
| 17:16.07 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 17:16.12 | Jayce^ | why crap? |
| 17:16.21 | neybar | but, you have to buy them in person, and they are letting people start lining up two days before hand |
| 17:16.27 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 17:16.31 | neybar | they have 1500 seats available |
| 17:16.54 | neybar | tickets are $30.00 |
| 17:17.10 | neybar | each person is allowed to buy 6 tickets |
| 17:17.53 | neybar | anyone here got two days to spare? |
| 17:17.56 | Jayce^ | neybar, your wife or mine could be there.. |
| 17:18.01 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:18.07 | Jayce^ | plug is the night before.. |
| 17:18.12 | Hanuman | That would be a devoted wife |
| 17:18.12 | Jayce^ | maybe we could rotat |
| 17:18.14 | Jayce^ | rotate |
| 17:18.17 | Hanuman | have the plug meeting in line |
| 17:18.18 | neybar | yeah... right. |
| 17:18.25 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, my wife would kill me if we didn't get tickets |
| 17:18.47 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I've met your wife - I'm not surprised. Mine loves the shows, but not that much |
| 17:18.59 | neybar | so you're willing to watch garion for two days? :-D |
| 17:19.00 | Hanuman | I can't get her to even read the books, and she loves reading books |
| 17:19.26 | Jayce^ | took a bit to get her to read them.. but once she started, she was addicted.. |
| 17:19.40 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, of course you've met her :) only worked in the same building for how long?? |
| 17:19.50 | Hanuman | :-) |
| 17:20.02 | Hanuman | I think you were only married for about a year at that time |
| 17:20.13 | neybar | oh, and you get free popcorn and drinks... |
| 17:20.15 | Hanuman | I was married for like 3 mos |
| 17:20.42 | Hanuman | Does onering.net have listings of theatres that are doing it? |
| 17:21.13 | Jayce^ | they have city line listings |
| 17:21.18 | Hanuman | cool |
| 17:23.29 | Hanuman | just where I thought it would be |
| 17:24.50 | hans | so jordan commons is the only one around here? |
| 17:25.14 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:25.15 | hans | the ninth of which month? |
| 17:25.32 | neybar | this month |
| 17:25.58 | sjansen | Less than a week. |
| 17:26.17 | sjansen | I wonder how quickly they'll sell out. I really can't stay in line for 2 days. |
| 17:26.20 | neybar | maybe we should get a pool of people to take shifts |
| 17:26.31 | sjansen | I _might_ be able to do a shift. |
| 17:26.47 | hans | quick, let's hack it up |
| 17:27.03 | neybar | we should figure out how many people want tickets |
| 17:27.05 | sjansen | How many people are we talking? |
| 17:27.07 | hans | i could probably do a shift. problem is sounds like you can only share a spot with 6 people |
| 17:27.17 | neybar | yes |
| 17:27.40 | hans | although it doesn't always have to be the same six people - there just have to be as many people / 6 in line at any time |
| 17:27.51 | neybar | that's what I was thinking |
| 17:28.13 | hans | so like my wife and I could go for awhile and hold two spots |
| 17:28.20 | Jayce^ | I could take a shift.. |
| 17:28.33 | Jayce^ | I count as 2 (wife and I).. ticket wise |
| 17:28.48 | Jayce^ | neybar and his wife.. then two more? |
| 17:28.57 | hans | my wife is actually not so excited about going all at once, so I probably only count for one ticket |
| 17:28.59 | Jayce^ | neybar, would your wife want to go to that many showings? |
| 17:29.06 | hans | but my brothers (who can probably take turns too) are two more |
| 17:29.12 | neybar | I don't know if miekka would want to go, or stand in line with the baby either |
| 17:29.31 | hans | but my wife would probably stand in line with me for awhile (if I'm nice) |
| 17:30.04 | Jayce^ | k, so if it was kelly (my wife), me, neybar, hans, sjansen.... we got room for one more |
| 17:30.25 | hans | now, if there was wireless and power we could get some laptoppers there probably. :) |
| 17:30.25 | Bonez39 | hans: about the net access..I think I'll reseat my card..my box was in the garage..maybe it had some moisture init, or just dust from sitting in there...or the cold...different from where it was in my office..I bet it will get working then |
| 17:30.34 | hans | good idea |
| 17:30.37 | neybar | my brother may want to go |
| 17:30.48 | Bonez39 | I'll let you know after I try that |
| 17:31.04 | hans | my brothers (2) want to go |
| 17:31.20 | Jayce^ | hans.. limit of 6 tickets per person in line |
| 17:31.25 | sjansen | If we get too many people involved, this will be a real headache. |
| 17:31.32 | Jayce^ | so we'd have to split it, two people in line when it get's up front |
| 17:32.00 | Hanuman | I'll stand in line here in Richmond for you |
| 17:32.06 | neybar | heh |
| 17:32.12 | hans | wonder if they'll let us hold n spots open as long as there's one person in line the whole time (and more as the time approaches) |
| 17:32.17 | sjansen | Personally, I think anyone that wants tickets should be willing to put in time in line. (Or be the spouse of someone in line.) |
| 17:32.18 | Hanuman | Did you know there's a Richmond, Utah? |
| 17:32.28 | hans | sjansen: I agree. |
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| 17:33.24 | sjansen | Stacking the line just before sales starts seems like a pretty rotten thing to do. |
| 17:33.33 | hans | shouldn't be too hard to coordinate so we always have n/6 people in line |
| 17:33.42 | hans | pretty straightforward web form |
| 17:34.06 | sjansen | Most people would be happy with a piece of paper. |
| 17:34.23 | hans | i'm talking world domination here. unix geeks in utah county unite |
| 17:34.36 | hans | and slc county too, whatever. :) |
| 17:34.55 | Jayce^ | straight from plug to my spot in line :) with a sleeping bag of course |
| 17:35.08 | hans | we should have the meeting there |
| 17:35.26 | hans | entertain and educate our neighbors. community service |
| 17:35.33 | Jayce^ | hey, that sounds good.. |
| 17:35.36 | Jayce^ | install fest.. |
| 17:35.47 | Jayce^ | should see if we can get a net connection.. and power.. |
| 17:35.54 | Jayce^ | I'd stay all night if they gave that |
| 17:36.13 | hans | neybar: when precisely do they let people line up? |
| 17:36.32 | neybar | I didn't get that, I know the 7th though. I'll call |
| 17:36.38 | Jayce^ | now the real line is the line to make sure you dont' get a front row seat.. |
| 17:36.40 | Jayce^ | neybar, |
| 17:36.44 | hans | so that's two evenings |
| 17:36.49 | Jayce^ | see if they can say anything about power/wireless |
| 17:37.13 | sjansen | Ah, brings back the happy memores of the Star Wars re-releases. |
| 17:38.02 | neybar | 7th @ 9:00 AM |
| 17:38.08 | Jayce^ | even better though.. |
| 17:38.15 | Jayce^ | wow, so that's 2 days for the ticket line |
| 17:38.15 | neybar | kid didn't know about power/wireless access |
| 17:38.45 | hans | wonder how many people will be there. |
| 17:38.46 | neybar | he assumed they would keep the bathrooms open... :-) |
| 17:38.51 | hans | just have to get in the first 1500 |
| 17:40.10 | hans | neybar: and when do they start moving the line on the 9th? |
| 17:40.18 | neybar | 9:00 AM |
| 17:41.19 | Jayce^ | k, that's a little better. |
| 17:41.31 | neybar | I represent on ticket for sure, maybe two if my brother wants to come |
| 17:41.51 | Jayce^ | my wife would *kill* me if I got a ticket, and she didn't.. |
| 17:41.58 | Jayce^ | just so she'd get the ticket |
| 17:43.18 | neybar | I am available mornings/nights |
| 17:43.28 | Jayce^ | yeah, I can stay a night. |
| 17:43.37 | Jayce^ | if I can get net access, I can do some good time.. |
| 17:43.42 | neybar | I'm thinking the day shifts will be the hardest to pull |
| 17:43.59 | Jayce^ | neybar, maybe broadband solutions could put an add, and get connections there :) |
| 17:44.02 | neybar | Jayce... BBSC has a wireless station on top of it |
| 17:44.11 | hans | neybar: some of us students are easy to convince to slack during the day |
| 17:44.18 | neybar | it being jordan commons |
| 17:44.34 | Jayce^ | neybar, so see if we can get open connections right there... |
| 17:44.44 | Jayce^ | then I could work, and be in line |
| 17:44.51 | neybar | some one want to do a little warwalking there? |
| 17:45.52 | Jayce^ | next issue.. power.. |
| 17:46.14 | hans | we could have battery charge runs |
| 17:46.15 | Bonez39 | here's a SLLUG question...is the meeting still on the 3rd Wednesday evening every month? I want to start coming |
| 17:48.52 | neybar | I'm sure that there is power, but who knows how pegged it might be, and how many people bring electronics |
| 17:49.02 | Hanuman | You all ought to pitch in money for a gas-powered generator. If everyone in plug donates some money, you could have a generator for many types of PLUG events |
| 17:49.08 | Jayce^ | "laptop in hand" :) |
| 17:49.13 | neybar | d'oh |
| 17:49.26 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, that's a lot of money from little old plug... dont' see that happening |
| 17:49.29 | neybar | I wonder if the line is going to be inside or outside |
| 17:49.37 | Jayce^ | probably outside.. |
| 17:49.42 | brailsmt | you cant rent generators |
| 17:49.45 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I figured, but it was worth mentioning. ;-) |
| 17:49.51 | Jayce^ | too large to keep inside, plus they need to lock things up |
| 17:49.54 | brailsmt | s/cant/can |
| 17:50.02 | Hanuman | Maybe someone has a generator they could let the club borrow |
| 17:50.16 | Hanuman | Everyone over here owns generators |
| 17:50.27 | Hanuman | Ask a ham - I bet you many of the hams have generators |
| 17:51.05 | hans | 48 hours / 6 people = 8 hours/person (at least as an average) |
| 17:51.12 | brailsmt | most hams i know go best on a sandwich... |
| 17:51.21 | hans | less if you don't insist on being there from time 0 |
| 17:52.00 | hans | some could camp, some could do two 4-hour shifts |
| 17:52.08 | hans | or 2 hours in the morning, 2 in the evening... |
| 17:52.13 | Jayce^ | of course, staying a night would be easier to take larger blocks |
| 17:52.27 | hans | yeah, could probably tacket 10 or 12 |
| 17:52.34 | hans | s/tacket/tackle/ |
| 17:52.37 | neybar | the line is going to be outside near the Super Screen entrance |
| 17:53.04 | sjansen | I can do a long night, but no way I can do an 8 hour day. |
| 17:53.22 | Jayce^ | I can only do a long day if I'm online |
| 17:53.35 | sjansen | Jayce^: Working from "home". |
| 17:53.40 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:53.47 | neybar | Jayce, let me see what I can swing with BBSC. |
| 17:53.50 | hans | i can do a big chunk of day |
| 17:53.51 | Jayce^ | neybar, could you find out about that possiblity? |
| 17:54.02 | Hanuman | Someone ought to offer to set up a WAP during that time if they let you borrow their network |
| 17:54.02 | neybar | power will still be a problem though |
| 17:54.19 | Jayce^ | heck, be online, I'll stay the whole time :) no shower and I'll be scaring lots of contenders off |
| 17:54.25 | neybar | lol |
| 17:54.25 | hans | lol |
| 17:54.35 | neybar | bring your chair and a card table |
| 17:54.39 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:54.40 | Jayce^ | got both |
| 17:55.05 | Hanuman | man - I want to move to Utah now. |
| 18:00.49 | neybar | before I call BBSC would we be willing to give a space in return for broadband? |
| 18:01.08 | hans | a space - as in one person or 6? |
| 18:01.13 | neybar | one person |
| 18:05.46 | sjansen | How many want tickets? I want 1. Running total: 1 |
| 18:05.49 | hans | i think that sounds fair (but I'm not the one with wireless) |
| 18:06.09 | hans | i want 1. my two brothers are probably willing to pull their weight too |
| 18:06.24 | sjansen | So is that running total 2 or 4? |
| 18:06.37 | Jayce^ | 2 here |
| 18:06.46 | hans | say 1 for me for now |
| 18:07.06 | sjansen | Running total: 4. (me, hans, Jayce^, Jayce^) |
| 18:07.32 | sjansen | neybar: What about you? |
| 18:07.44 | hans | he might be on the phone? |
| 18:09.00 | hans | the 7th is tuesday, eh? I can pull all eight during the day there |
| 18:09.18 | Jayce^ | well, doesn't it start the night of the 7th? so no real need |
| 18:09.33 | hans | i thought neybar said 9am on the 7th |
| 18:10.13 | Jayce^ | he did.. |
| 18:10.13 | Jayce^ | sorry |
| 18:13.35 | sjansen | I'm free after 11AM on tuesday. |
| 18:14.07 | neybar | two for me, my brother can pull his wieght also |
| 18:14.21 | hans | i'm sure 1500/6 people won't show up before 11am |
| 18:14.26 | neybar | morning of the 7th |
| 18:14.34 | neybar | @ 9:00 AM |
| 18:15.41 | sjansen | Bringing our total to 6 exactly. |
| 18:16.10 | sjansen | hans: Looks like if you're brothers want in, we'll need two people in line. |
| 18:16.33 | hans | right. I think we can find 4 more pretty easy as well |
| 18:18.06 | Bonez39 | here's another question. I just recently signed up with Integra Telecom...no more Qwest for me...my accout does not include web space. They offer it for $14.95 per month for 20 megs..is this a good deal or is there something better...costwise ? Suggestions? |
| 18:18.26 | hans | Bonez39: would you need 20 megs? |
| 18:19.02 | hans | what's a good wiki? |
| 18:19.07 | hans | good == simple |
| 18:19.51 | Jayce^ | Bonez39, lousy price.. |
| 18:22.37 | Jayce^ | just got a new book from new riders :) |
| 18:22.49 | Jayce^ | Core Techniques and Algorithms in Game Programming :) |
| 18:23.02 | Bonez39 | hans, likely not that much.... |
| 18:23.19 | Hanuman | Jayce^: looking at programming games? |
| 18:23.30 | Jayce^ | no, but it's a free book for review :) |
| 18:23.35 | Hanuman | cool |
| 18:23.37 | Bonez39 | I just need something for information....where patients can access information about my practice... |
| 18:23.43 | hans | I know of at least one place where you could host for <$10 |
| 18:23.56 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I got my O'reilly catalog yesterday, too - circling items as we speak |
| 18:24.04 | hans | do you have a static ip? will they let you run services? |
| 18:24.08 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, lot's of good new ones.. |
| 18:24.25 | Bonez39 | yeah, I have a static IP |
| 18:24.37 | Hanuman | I've just skimmed so far, but seen some good stuff. My wife wants me to circle my top 5 for her to get me for Christmas |
| 18:24.43 | neybar | ok, here is the deal on wireless access... First it is iffy if we can even get access, you have to be able to see the top of the tower, and we might be in the shadow where the line is. Second that specific tower is for their premium customers and it isn't really setup for hotspot wireless. My contact said he would look into it, but he doesn't know. |
| 18:25.10 | neybar | if anyone is near JC we need to find out if you can see the tower |
| 18:25.13 | Jayce^ | see if they could get a wap to connect to it, then share locally |
| 18:25.38 | Jayce^ | then you could be out at an angle, get a good connection, and then limit local access |
| 18:25.59 | hans | Bonez39: then you can do it yourself for free |
| 18:26.02 | Jayce^ | tell them they should talk to JC about putting an ad up, then provide connection for those waiting in line.. |
| 18:26.08 | Jayce^ | be a good chance to advertise |
| 18:26.13 | Hanuman | neybar: encourage them to pass out flyers for the free connection advertising their company. It will be their type of audience if they sound like the type of company they are |
| 18:26.21 | Hanuman | Jayce^: jynx |
| 18:26.29 | Jayce^ | wireless ISP, totally their crowd.. |
| 18:27.02 | Hanuman | Someone ought to offer to put up a wireless blog from the line, with advertisements to their company |
| 18:27.17 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:27.52 | neybar | if we wanted to make this a marketing pitch then we should get in touch with marketing or someone like that. |
| 18:30.32 | Jayce^ | there you go.. |
| 18:30.52 | Hanuman | find someone technical in marketing - alot of marketing people don't always see the advantage of such a technical crowd, and what they could do with it |
| 18:31.53 | Hanuman | I imagine as a wireless ISP their marketing people ought to understand their type of audience, though |
| 18:32.03 | Jayce^ | would hope so |
| 18:32.19 | Hanuman | Jayce^: jynx again - I was typing that same phrase as you said it |
| 18:32.29 | Jayce^ | yeah, but I was first :D |
| 18:32.42 | Hanuman | I was one word away from being finished |
| 18:33.13 | Hanuman | so \w+jynx |
| 18:34.02 | Hanuman | Did I mention how much I hate M$ Access? |
| 18:34.20 | Jayce^ | no, but I'm sure we can all feel for you. |
| 18:34.27 | sjansen | *Nelson voice* Ha ha |
| 18:34.58 | Bonez39 | hans: how would I do it myself then? |
| 18:34.59 | Hanuman | I just redesigned our (yes, MS SQL server) db and now I'm having to redesign our Access frontend to work with my new changes |
| 18:35.24 | Hanuman | It's much easier to work with now, but man - it's still a pain in the neck! |
| 18:35.35 | Hanuman | sjansen: :-p |
| 18:35.42 | neybar | access isn't so bad if you use it as a single person small db. problems arise when you try to create applications out of it. not that I like access btw.. :-) |
| 18:36.23 | Hanuman | neybar: agreed completely - it would be better to just create a VB app, not that I'm promoting VB or anything |
| 18:36.40 | Hanuman | Actually, for db connectivity I'm even more for cgi apps |
| 18:36.53 | Hanuman | much more secure |
| 18:36.57 | hans | Bonez39: apt-get install apache |
| 18:37.27 | hans | you might have to configure it (or have someone help you) but if it's just a static site (I assume you already have the web pages) you'll never have to think about it again |
| 18:37.43 | Jayce^ | hans, was meaning to ask you about that some... |
| 18:37.47 | Bonez39 | ah.....ok, appache...I know I'll need more space to get apache installed. |
| 18:37.49 | Hanuman | Bonez39: for dns, use zoneedit.com - free for up to like 5 domains |
| 18:38.02 | sjansen | Bonez39: Just be sure to check the terms of your contract. It'd be a shame to get shutdown one day if this is work related. |
| 18:38.08 | Hanuman | then just use your dsl or cable connection and a dynamic dns updater script |
| 18:38.11 | Jayce^ | does debian (the version on lds-oss) have debs for apache2? and can apt-get allow for multiple apache installs? |
| 18:38.25 | Bonez39 | sjansen: if what is work related? |
| 18:38.27 | hans | you can have both installed, and it is in apt |
| 18:38.29 | Jayce^ | eg, an apache 2, an apache1 + php, and apache1 + mod_perl |
| 18:38.34 | sjansen | The website. |
| 18:38.38 | Bonez39 | sjansen: which contract do you mean? |
| 18:38.48 | sjansen | With your ISP. |
| 18:38.57 | Bonez39 | oh...I see |
| 18:39.15 | sjansen | Some can be stinky and start blocking ports if they notice you're hosting. |
| 18:39.52 | Hanuman | mine just does it anyway. Supposedly it's to protect from Nimda, but I doubt it. |
| 18:40.19 | Hanuman | zoneedit allows for webforwarding, so you can send www.thestays.org to ww2.thestays.org:8080 |
| 18:40.29 | Hanuman | works great with search engines, too |
| 18:46.49 | hans | http://uug.byu.edu/~fugalh/cgi-bin/kwiki/index.cgi?LordOfTheRingsLine |
| 18:49.39 | hans | kwiki is really kwik |
| 18:50.12 | Jayce^ | hopefully we can get wireless and power.. if so I'll definately pull a full night, and then some |
| 18:51.03 | sjansen | Ugh, me asks himself if he really wants to camp out on a sidewalk. |
| 18:51.43 | Hanuman | better than uneven dirt, leaves, and rocks |
| 18:51.59 | Jayce^ | actually, it transfers the cold more, so not really |
| 18:53.19 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. sjansen, you edit took out my line about net/power |
| 18:53.28 | Jayce^ | guess kwiki doesn't like multiple editors |
| 18:53.35 | hans | lol |
| 18:53.50 | hans | i don't think the wiki concept was overly concerned with concurrency |
| 18:54.59 | sjansen | Some wiki's are. I was disappointed to discover my changes disappear too. |
| 18:55.08 | sjansen | Not impressed with kwiki. |
| 18:55.28 | hans | it took 5 minutes to set up |
| 18:55.35 | hans | I'm impressed, regardless |
| 18:55.43 | hans | if you want a robust one, go ahead. :) |
| 18:55.46 | sjansen | Jayce^: Go ahead an put your changes back in. |
| 18:56.19 | sjansen | JspWiki is robust and simple. |
| 18:56.48 | Jayce^ | and in jsp, therefore needs how large of a cluster to run it? |
| 18:56.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:57.18 | hans | great, but setting up jsp is not |
| 18:57.25 | hans | (simple that is) |
| 18:57.32 | sjansen | For our needs, a 133 would be fine. |
| 18:57.47 | hans | 133? |
| 18:57.48 | sjansen | Sure it is: unzip tomcat.zip |
| 18:57.57 | sjansen | Pentium 133 MHz |
| 18:58.18 | sjansen | Well, maybe I overstate. But the 300MHz next to my desk is fine. |
| 18:58.20 | hans | does it use a database? |
| 18:58.37 | sjansen | File system. Although you can plugin custom back ends. |
| 18:58.45 | hans | that doesn't sound too bad |
| 18:59.56 | hans | but does it run with any of the free javas? |
| 19:01.47 | sjansen | As long as tomcat does. Can't say I've ever tried. |
| 19:13.51 | Hanuman | Cool... http://www.kk.org/recomendo/archives/000158.php |
| 19:14.03 | Hanuman | I've always wanted to do this |
| 19:22.14 | Hanuman | Hey - anyone know when the new Handspring Treo is supposed to come out in the US - have they set a date yet? |
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| 19:38.46 | hans | sjansen: I have tomcat running but can't get jspwiki working |
| 19:40.01 | sjansen | Cool. You need to unpack the .war |
| 19:40.12 | hans | where at? |
| 19:40.26 | hans | I have /var/lib/tomcat4/webapps/ROOT/ - there? |
| 19:40.34 | sjansen | You'll want to edit the WEB-INF/jspwiki.properties |
| 19:41.26 | sjansen | You've got the jspwiki war file, right? |
| 19:41.52 | sjansen | Looks like for your installation it should be unpacked in /var/lib/tomcat5/webapps |
| 19:41.59 | hans | ok |
| 19:42.27 | sjansen | I've configured mine so that jspwiki.fileSystemProvider.pageDir = /data/wiki/ |
| 19:42.47 | sjansen | jspwiki.basicAttachmentProvider.storageDir = /data/wiki/ |
| 19:42.50 | brailsmt_work | /bin/sh: line 1: HI!: command not found |
| 19:42.53 | brailsmt_work | dangit... |
| 19:43.06 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.06 | brailsmt_work | | | | |_ _| | |
| 19:43.06 | brailsmt_work | | |_| || || | |
| 19:43.06 | brailsmt_work | | _ || ||_| |
| 19:43.06 | brailsmt_work | |_| |_|___(_) |
| 19:43.08 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.11 | brailsmt_work | thats better... |
| 19:43.12 | sjansen | jspwiki.baseURL=https://localhost/ry/webapp/wiki/ |
| 19:43.32 | sjansen | jspwiki.encoding=UTF-8 |
| 19:45.10 | sjansen | There's a bunch of starter .txt files in there somewhere. You might want to copy some of them to /data/wiki (or wherever you chose). They include instructions on how to wiki, etc. |
| 19:46.52 | hans | can't figure out what the url is |
| 19:46.58 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: ahoyhoy |
| 19:47.34 | sjansen | What do you mean? |
| 19:48.16 | hans | I've unzipped it in /var/lib/tomcat4/webapps/wiki/ and created the data directory and edited the prefs |
| 19:48.20 | sjansen | Ah, you don't have much experience with JSPs. You set that in WEB-INF/web.xml |
| 19:48.23 | hans | but can't figure out what to put in the browser to find it |
| 19:48.40 | sjansen | By default, Tomcat is listening on :8080 |
| 19:49.33 | hans | I can get to tomcat |
| 19:49.39 | hans | and the sample webapps that I installed |
| 19:49.45 | hans | (with apt) |
| 19:49.48 | hans | but not to the wiki |
| 19:50.13 | sjansen | Oops... Argh. We've got a custom setup here. I don't remember the default off the top of my head. |
| 19:50.25 | hans | 8180 is where tomcat is here |
| 19:50.29 | sjansen | Can you get to /manager/html/list ? |
| 19:51.03 | hans | password box |
| 19:51.09 | hans | and I didn't set up any passwords |
| 19:52.15 | sjansen | Right. Manager is protected by default. Should be able to configure in /var/lib/tomcat4/server/webapps/ |
| 19:54.02 | sjansen | One of the first things I do is rip that out and setup mod_jk. |
| 19:54.29 | sjansen | I guess this is easy after you've done it a few times, but hard the first time. |
| 19:54.29 | hans | all I want is my wiki |
| 19:54.36 | hans | :) |
| 19:54.47 | sjansen | Yeah, if you've got a working Tomcat JSPWiki is really easy. Otherwise... |
| 19:55.19 | hans | http://vmac3.et.byu.edu:8180/index.html |
| 20:00.01 | hans | so you see I have a working tomcat |
| 20:01.17 | sjansen | Yep. |
| 20:01.34 | sjansen | Hmmm... Let me grab the war and refresh my memory. |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | fter you've installed the engine and checked that it works, you just |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | make a subdirectory under $TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/. For example, if you |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | want your application to be called 'MyWiki', just create a directory |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | called 'MyWiki', then extract all files from the war files into that |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | directory, preserving the directory structure. |
| 20:06.40 | hans | did that |
| 20:06.50 | hans | $TOMCAT_HOME/webapps/wiki/ |
| 20:08.38 | sjansen | Restart tomcat. |
| 20:09.02 | sjansen | Or change the manger password and use it to load the wiki. |
| 20:09.46 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.46 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.46 | brailsmt_work | | | _| | | | | | | | | || | | |_) | | |_ / _ \ | \| \___ \| | | | |
| 20:09.46 | brailsmt_work | | |_| | |_| | | |__| |_| || | | _ < | _/ ___ \| |\ |___) |_|_|_| |
| 20:09.46 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.48 | brailsmt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.41 | Hanuman | what does that say? |
| 20:14.41 | hans | sjansen: com.ecyrd.jspwiki.InternalWikiException: No wiki engine, check logs. |
| 20:14.53 | hans | restarting made a difference |
| 20:16.25 | sjansen | Is it working now? |
| 20:35.11 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 20:35.27 | Hanuman | And she minored in psychology |
| 20:35.53 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 20:36.18 | Hanuman | No - I will probably lose both most of the time, but this time it actually worked |
| 20:38.38 | Hanuman | I wonder if the bell and the dog trick will work with my children |
| 20:38.51 | Hanuman | (no, I didn't use that on my wife) |
| 20:45.27 | hans | ok, I'm going to pass the link to plug and uug |
| 20:53.11 | Jayce^ | cant' wait to see how many people join in |
| 20:53.25 | Bonez39 | hans? still here? |
| 20:53.36 | Bonez39 | I reseated my NIC, but still no network... |
| 20:54.29 | hans | leaving |
| 20:54.33 | hans | for the weekend. :( |
| 20:54.44 | hans | do you dual boot it? can you see if it works in windows? |
| 20:59.49 | Bonez39 | oh, I don't even have windows on this machine any more...just linux... |
| 21:00.09 | Bonez39 | the directories appear to all be there...in tact....I can navigate through them all....just can't get it to boot right |
| 21:00.16 | Bonez39 | or to get an IP address |
| 21:01.57 | Hanuman | cya guys later... |
| 21:02.04 | Jayce^ | can it boot with knoppix or something? |
| 21:08.03 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. Dan crookston says he's waiting in our line?? |
| 21:12.44 | Jayce^ | ah, now he asked for help on uug... giving him advice |
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| 22:53.08 | neybar | I like the lotr wiki |
| 22:55.10 | Bradipo | Where is it at? |
| 22:57.39 | Hanuman | anyone here familiar with input.h? |
| 23:01.06 | Jayce^ | http://uug.byu.edu/~fugalh/cgi-bin/kwiki/index.cgi?LordOfTheRingsLine |
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| 23:27.38 | Hanuman | I need to use input_event with input.h (in the kernel modules) to simulate pressing "shift+backslash" in order to produce the "|" key |
| 23:27.47 | Hanuman | anyone ever done anything with this function call? |
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