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| 12:33.47 | bonez39 | greetings |
| 12:34.43 | hans | morn |
| 12:35.49 | bonez39 | areyou here a while? |
| 12:36.19 | bonez39 | could you help me a minute (more)? |
| 12:36.23 | hans | yeah, until about 8:30 |
| 12:36.39 | bonez39 | Ithink my linux system is ok, just the authorization process is fouled ...somewhere. |
| 12:38.01 | hans | try this |
| 12:38.22 | bonez39 | you mentioned that if I use vim to view /etc/passwd for example..that pressing G would take me to the bottom of a file..it does NOT take me there..I can open vi or vim but it will only display one page of those files |
| 12:38.23 | bonez39 | ok.. |
| 12:38.28 | hans | apt-get --reinstall install libpam-modules |
| 12:39.20 | bonez39 | just at a root prompt? |
| 12:39.27 | hans | yup |
| 12:40.52 | bonez39 | wow...it's doing something |
| 12:41.15 | bonez39 | but then it said something wicked happened when attempting to get files...at most or all of the sites in my lists |
| 12:41.41 | hans | hmm, so your network is down |
| 12:41.57 | hans | try dpkg-reconfigure libpam-modules |
| 12:43.24 | bonez39 | well, I just plugged my linux box back in..do I need to reboot it so that it will connect? I will do that now |
| 12:43.38 | hans | no, you should be able to do |
| 12:43.42 | hans | ifup -a |
| 12:43.45 | bonez39 | it shows connected at my hub...but I don't know that it sees the net right now |
| 12:44.04 | hans | if that doesn't work, do |
| 12:44.05 | bonez39 | ifup says it's already configured |
| 12:44.08 | hans | ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 12:45.14 | bonez39 | ok, that returned some other things |
| 12:45.42 | bonez39 | no such file on cat /var/run/dhclient.etho.pid |
| 12:45.47 | bonez39 | and more stuff |
| 12:46.10 | hans | should be fine. try the apt-get line again |
| 12:46.59 | bonez39 | still didn't work..I am rebooting it... |
| 12:47.14 | bonez39 | to maintenance mode...with it plugged in...seeing if this will get it working |
| 12:48.19 | hans | ko |
| 12:48.31 | bonez39 | dyslexic? hehe |
| 12:48.43 | bonez39 | on? sey? |
| 12:49.00 | hans | :) |
| 12:49.50 | bonez39 | at all those sites..in my /etc/apt/lists..whatever that file is called...all respond with "something wicked happened resolving url xyz..... |
| 12:50.02 | hans | so the network still isn't coming up |
| 12:50.15 | bonez39 | yeah... |
| 12:50.27 | hans | do you know what ethernet card you have? |
| 12:50.33 | bonez39 | I am connected through the same hub....on my windows box here..and it connects fine, clearly |
| 12:51.00 | bonez39 | it's a generic ne2000 card..in my linux box..and worked fine a week or so ago... |
| 12:51.27 | hans | see if the ne2000 or whatever module shows up in lsmod |
| 12:52.41 | bonez39 | the card uses the tulip NIC driver..and it is there...in lsmod |
| 12:52.49 | hans | hmm |
| 12:53.10 | hans | can you ping google.com or do some other basic networking tasks? |
| 12:53.34 | hans | try telnet 209.210.58.42 smtp |
| 12:53.41 | bonez39 | I tried pinging a known good site..no go.. |
| 12:53.46 | bonez39 | let me try the telnet |
| 12:54.41 | bonez39 | hmmm network unreachable |
| 12:55.36 | hans | ok. try dpkg-reconfigure libpam-modules |
| 12:56.25 | hans | do you have a knoppix or flea CD? |
| 12:56.49 | bonez39 | I don't |
| 12:56.58 | hans | do you have a way to make one? |
| 12:57.44 | bonez39 | hmmm I don't have a floppy on my windows machine here...I had a woody cd that you left me...not sure where it is at the moment.. |
| 13:02.00 | hans | you mean cd burner? |
| 13:03.51 | uncle_jesse | morning guys |
| 13:04.37 | bonez39 | howdy, unclejesse |
| 13:05.01 | bonez39 | hans: my windows box has no floppy drive. |
| 13:05.27 | bonez39 | so I can't make a copy of anything on it, at the moment...to then move, via sneaker net to my linux box |
| 13:05.49 | bonez39 | I am going to reboot once more..and see what it shows during boot about the network |
| 13:07.24 | uncle_jesse | man - never install the v4l kernel rpm |
| 13:07.43 | uncle_jesse | it messed up my system at home - was up till 2am last night trying to fix it |
| 13:08.14 | uncle_jesse | I think next time I need those modules I'm just going to re-compile the kernel from source |
| 13:08.15 | bonez39 | what's the v4l kernel ? |
| 13:08.38 | uncle_jesse | video4linux - gives some extra video and tv capability to linux for certain cards |
| 13:08.59 | uncle_jesse | I was trying to get my tv capture card working better with mythTV |
| 13:09.00 | bonez39 | hans: when I moved, and changed service, my IP address changed...as well the internal DHCP assigned subaddresses..would that affect connecting ? |
| 13:09.35 | uncle_jesse | not sure how much I like mythTV either - it tries to sabotage your system |
| 13:10.32 | hans | bonez39: not if you were getting dhcp before |
| 13:10.44 | bonez39 | ok...I was..and it worked fine before.. |
| 13:12.36 | bonez39 | what is net-PF-17? during boot, it reports can't locate module net-PF-17 |
| 13:15.15 | hans | hmmm |
| 13:15.18 | hans | never heard of that module |
| 13:15.25 | bonez39 | nor have I |
| 13:15.38 | hans | this is the same kernel you always use, right? |
| 13:16.01 | bonez39 | yeah, haven't switched to other kernel |
| 13:17.07 | bonez39 | is next move to reseat my NIC and then try again? |
| 13:18.49 | hans | shouldn't have to unless you've been moving the computer or bumping it hard or something. but sure |
| 13:19.07 | hans | you say you don't have a burner? |
| 13:19.53 | bonez39 | I don't have a burner..I need to get one...maybe santa...will bring me one this year.;) |
| 13:20.26 | bonez39 | wait..I do have a burner....at home.....wife has one...I'd have to download and burn stuff later on..through her laptop.. |
| 13:20.43 | bonez39 | it's a USB burner...1.x instead of 2.0....slooooooowwwwwwwww but I can burn something with it |
| 13:21.54 | hans | couldn't burn with it via your windows computer? |
| 13:22.48 | bonez39 | it's USB..and have no USB ports on this windows machine |
| 13:25.07 | hans | ahh |
| 13:26.18 | bonez39 | I need to do some serious upgrading here... |
| 13:26.34 | bonez39 | bigger hard drives...usb ports..and such......I'll get those going in a few weeks |
| 13:28.21 | hans | :) |
| 13:36.45 | bonez39 | what do I run to check my ip connection..my NIC..and such? |
| 13:37.11 | bonez39 | it uses the tulip driver.. what else beside lsmod? isn't it ifconfig to find the ip address it should be using? |
| 13:39.30 | hans | ifconfig -a |
| 13:39.45 | hans | that will show you what it is (or isn't) using (and other info) |
| 13:40.45 | hans | do you have a line that says "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 13:59.25 | uncle_jesse | any RedHat users in here? |
| 14:28.22 | uncle_jesse | is there a way to downgrade a currently installed package using apt? |
| 14:28.33 | uncle_jesse | (or yum) |
| 14:29.21 | uncle_jesse | is there an irc channel that anyone knows of for apt and/or yum? |
| 14:47.55 | uncle_jesse | I'll add one more question to my list - anyone here use gnucash or one of the finance programs on linux? |
| 14:53.35 | hans | i use gnucash |
| 14:53.50 | hans | hmm, judging by the activity on the list I'd say yum is the epitomy of good UI. (not) |
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| 15:02.07 | uncle_jesse | hans: ui has some improvement, but the way it handles rpm is much more efficient than apt |
| 15:02.23 | uncle_jesse | uses the same libraries and code as anaconda |
| 15:02.45 | uncle_jesse | hans: how similar is it to Quicken (have you ever used Quicken?) |
| 15:03.22 | hans | used quicken. it's fine |
| 15:03.29 | hans | never lets me down |
| 15:03.41 | hans | uncle_jesse: when it comes to administration, UI is more important than efficiency |
| 15:05.05 | uncle_jesse | Oh - I agree. yum has much to improve, but it's got the foundation to move on. Now that it will be part of fedora, I think there will be much faster development of it in the future. |
| 15:05.48 | uncle_jesse | hans: any chance it will import Quicken files? |
| 15:06.19 | hans | it does QIF but it's not pretty. QIF's aren't pretty, which is why. |
| 15:06.23 | hans | but it does them. |
| 15:07.30 | uncle_jesse | cool |
| 15:07.35 | uncle_jesse | my wife will be happy with that |
| 15:08.14 | uncle_jesse | I actually prefer to use apt at the moment. Yum just doesn't allow enough options, nor have enough support for the moment. |
| 15:08.28 | uncle_jesse | and yum is harder to lookup on a search engines |
| 15:08.37 | uncle_jesse | I keep getting Yum brands information |
| 15:08.50 | uncle_jesse | It's just like wine |
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| 15:18.10 | uncle_jesse | I wonder if it's possible to create optical illusions with just ascii characters |
| 15:18.19 | uncle_jesse | (random thought for the day) |
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| 17:25.05 | tensai | Jayce^: probably CPPFLAGS="-I/opt/bdb4" |
| 17:26.17 | Jayce^ | tensai, doesnt' work.. finds some older version in /usr/include first.. |
| 17:26.34 | Jayce^ | but this is a RH box (work server) and we can't get rid of that rpm .. |
| 17:28.51 | tensai | does it have to be compiled on that box? or could you compile it somewhere else and copy the binary? |
| 17:29.56 | Jayce^ | could be copied... could be a @#$#@% rpm if we could find a good one.. |
| 17:30.04 | tensai | hmm. the gcc man page says "Directories named by -I are searched before the standard system include directories" |
| 17:30.12 | Jayce^ | rh only gives 2.0 |
| 17:30.26 | tensai | what program? |
| 17:31.08 | Jayce^ | openldap |
| 17:31.56 | tensai | hang on. shouldn't it be -I/opt/bdb4/include ? |
| 17:32.05 | Jayce^ | yeah, been using that |
| 17:32.17 | tensai | nuts. thought I had it figured out. |
| 17:33.08 | tensai | can you uninstall the other bdb -dev package? the runtime will still work fine |
| 17:33.32 | Jayce^ | not sure.. |
| 17:33.45 | Jayce^ | trying other backends first... |
| 17:34.02 | Jayce^ | looks like ldbm (gdbm) works.. going to try a binary with that instead |
| 17:36.17 | uncle_jesse | Jayce^: I'm running into the same problem on RH9 with wine and modssl |
| 17:36.24 | uncle_jesse | Let me know what you find out with this one |
| 17:37.13 | Jayce^ | ~slashdot |
| 17:37.25 | Jayce^ | love that first article!!!!! |
| 17:37.45 | uncle_jesse | cool - open-half-life??? |
| 17:37.56 | Jayce^ | not just half-life :) half-life2! |
| 17:38.00 | tensai | cat's out of the bag. might as well GPL it, right? :) |
| 17:38.07 | uncle_jesse | yeah |
| 17:38.15 | uncle_jesse | halflife works under wine |
| 17:38.29 | uncle_jesse | if you count that |
| 17:38.33 | tensai | I used to play it until my cdrom ate my hl cd |
| 17:39.12 | tensai | Jayce^: looks like 2.1 is in rawhide |
| 17:39.40 | Jayce^ | this is a 7.3 server though :) |
| 17:39.48 | Jayce^ | grabbed the rawhide src rpm though... |
| 17:41.39 | Jayce^ | wonder if hl2 is gcc 3.2 friendly :D |
| 17:42.39 | tensai | why do you need 2.1 over 2.0? |
| 17:43.08 | Jayce^ | 2.0 has serious problems |
| 17:43.30 | Jayce^ | if you'd been able to be hear last month for plug, you'd know :D |
| 17:43.57 | uncle_jesse | theres a libc6 contrib at this URL: |
| 17:43.59 | uncle_jesse | http://at.rpmfind.net/opsys/linux/RPM/openldap.html |
| 17:44.08 | uncle_jesse | don't know if that will work on 7.3 or not |
| 17:44.33 | Jayce^ | http://www.worldoverclockers.com/Downloads/pafiledb.php?action=license&id=1&file=71 |
| 17:44.41 | Jayce^ | torrent for the hl2 code |
| 17:45.53 | jalance | lol |
| 17:46.10 | uncle_jesse | looks like they get an early release |
| 18:44.02 | uncle_jesse | That HL2 article site doesn't have a password on their db: |
| 18:44.04 | uncle_jesse | http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=665 |
| 18:44.22 | uncle_jesse | mysql://postnuke_game:@localhost.localdomain/gamerswithjobs_com_-_main |
| 18:46.26 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 18:46.35 | Jayce^ | php users :) |
| 18:47.59 | uncle_jesse | It would be nice if they decided not to use a password to at least produce an error page on db errors so users can't blatently see that |
| 18:48.41 | uncle_jesse | Wonder how many /.'ers have e-mailed them to let them know |
| 18:48.47 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. anybody know what linux cd programs can read/burn windows .cue and .bin files? |
| 18:48.48 | uncle_jesse | and how many are currently trying to hack them |
| 18:49.30 | tensai | Jayce^: cdrdao |
| 18:49.49 | uncle_jesse | win4lin |
| 18:49.54 | uncle_jesse | ;-) |
| 18:50.24 | Jayce^ | tensai, it does them? sweet.. |
| 18:50.52 | Jayce^ | reading man now.. nice |
| 18:52.00 | uncle_jesse | I hope they have their mysql port closed and permissions are set right to not allow public access (see above post) |
| 18:53.06 | uncle_jesse | from that we know that it resides on the same machine as the webserver, username is postnuke_game, no password - very cool if you really wanted to hack |
| 18:54.10 | uncle_jesse | but we'll do them a service since they announced the hl2 code |
| 18:58.22 | Jayce^ | ok, this guy needs a clue stick beating... from the /. article about the new boot process.. |
| 18:58.28 | Jayce^ | he says it'll be faster because it's in python.. |
| 18:58.41 | Jayce^ | and it also requires a working gnome system to startup the box.. |
| 18:58.55 | Jayce^ | just say no to a python/gnome requirement for init! |
| 19:02.50 | uncle_jesse | what is it with booting/setup and python? |
| 19:03.00 | uncle_jesse | anaconda was written in python too, and so is yum |
| 19:03.31 | Jayce^ | redhat has several python people, so that's what their tools have been written in. |
| 19:03.44 | uncle_jesse | yeah - and this guy I'm sure is probably a redhat user |
| 19:04.14 | Jayce^ | sorry, but requiring gnome to start my server is just too windows-ish |
| 19:05.12 | uncle_jesse | yeah - that's the one thing I hate most about redhat - they force a graphical install on first boot |
| 19:05.27 | uncle_jesse | so if they detect your card wrong, you're relying on single user mode |
| 19:11.59 | uncle_jesse | hmmm...wonder if bittorrent doesn't work under WinXP |
| 19:14.05 | Jayce^ | they have win clients |
| 19:24.56 | uncle_jesse | yeah, but this win client isn't working on my XP machine |
| 19:25.04 | uncle_jesse | works at home, though on win2k |
| 19:29.52 | Jayce^ | mm, oreilly now has an xforms book |
| 19:34.21 | Jayce^ | ooh, a TTK book too |
| 19:36.00 | Jayce^ | gah.. too many good new books.. |
| 19:36.04 | Jayce^ | iptables pocket ref |
| 19:36.09 | Jayce^ | perl debugger pocket ref |
| 19:37.23 | uncle_jesse | I've got a book full of circles so my wife knows what to buy me for Christmas, bdays, etc |
| 19:38.57 | Jayce^ | just got their new catalog today |
| 19:40.34 | uncle_jesse | cool - that means I'll be getting mine soon |
| 19:41.14 | uncle_jesse | Cool - ATI seems to slowly be producing Linux supported software |
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| 22:18.09 | jalance | I want the iptables pocket ref |