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| 00:41.20 | Hanuman | I can't get ssl to compile in with wine. ssl.h is in |
| 00:41.20 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.22 | Hanuman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.35 | Hanuman | sorry - was cutting and pasting from #winehq |
| 00:41.47 | Hanuman | wondering if any of you had any clue why this was happening |
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| 02:29.24 | hans | man, I miss out on all the good incarnations of cs classes at byu. this semester in 470 they're doing bzflag bots |
| 02:32.46 | hans | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/PfieldsLab.html |
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| 03:05.25 | Hanuman | hans: where are the logfiles stored specified in LOGFILE for procmail (in the .procmailrc)? |
| 03:12.21 | Hanuman | Also, in maillog, it's saying "Suspicious rcfile "/path/to/.procmailrc"" - what does that mean? |
| 03:21.08 | Hanuman | okay - figured out the second one - just needed to make the file a bit more secure |
| 03:21.31 | Hanuman | For some reason procmail's still not working, though |
| 03:24.43 | hans | Hanuman: MAILDIR |
| 03:26.46 | Hanuman | hmm...it's not processing my .procmailrc file then - it's not creating the logfile |
| 03:26.59 | hans | what are you logging? |
| 03:27.08 | hans | if you don't have LOGABSTRACT on there won't be much to see |
| 03:27.48 | Hanuman | in my .procmailrc, I have MAILDIR=$HOME - I want to know if it's being processed or not, because the rule I set isn't working |
| 03:28.54 | hans | i have LOGFILE=/home/fugalh/.procmail/log |
| 03:29.52 | hans | see also VERBOSE and LOGABSTRACT |
| 03:30.03 | hans | i was wrong, it will log the abstract unless you turn it off |
| 03:30.27 | Hanuman | maybe I need to create the logfile... |
| 03:33.22 | Hanuman | hans: do you use imap? |
| 03:34.49 | Hanuman | hmmm...still not logging to my log file |
| 03:38.08 | Hanuman | okay - /etc/procmailrc seems to be working somewhat |
| 03:41.13 | Hanuman | yes - it worked! Now to get it work in user boxes |
| 03:42.04 | Hanuman | question - is there a way to run a recipe on all messages currently in a mailbox, instead of just as they are received? |
| 03:44.50 | hans | Hanuman: check out formail, that'll probably help you. or maybe the pipe operation from mutt |
| 03:44.55 | hans | night |
| 03:45.01 | Hanuman | night |
| 03:45.05 | Hanuman | thanks for the help |
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| 05:20.44 | Bonez39 | greetings.... |
| 05:21.17 | Bonez39 | when I get my gnome window login..and enter my name, it responds back with Authentication Failure..never evenallowing me to enter a password... |
| 05:21.25 | Bonez39 | any ideas why it would do this? |
| 05:21.43 | Jayce^ | so it responds before you even type the password? |
| 05:21.43 | Bonez39 | prior, I had run fsck /dev/hda1 and it did lots of clean up on my HD |
| 05:21.57 | Jayce^ | can you log in from a terminal? |
| 05:21.58 | Bonez39 | yeah, I just type my name and it acts now like I don't exist on the system.. |
| 05:22.19 | Bonez39 | I am going to reboot it and see..but now, how to I reboot it..since I can't log in or do anything else? |
| 05:23.22 | Jayce^ | ctrl-alt-delete work? |
| 05:23.43 | Jayce^ | ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a login prompt. (try logging in there) |
| 05:23.44 | Bonez39 | hold on.. |
| 05:24.35 | Bonez39 | I try ctl alt F2 and it says login incorrect three times...and then returns the prompt.. |
| 05:24.52 | Jayce^ | uh-oh |
| 05:25.13 | Bonez39 | yeah, I think it's toasted.. |
| 05:27.08 | Bonez39 | Jayce^: I am rebooting it...going to see how it responds this time.. |
| 05:27.21 | Bonez39 | I guess if it toasted my profile..then I'll have to rebuild it |
| 05:28.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, depends on what happened |
| 05:28.13 | Jayce^ | might be just passwd or something.. dunno |
| 05:28.36 | Bonez39 | ok.. |
| 05:29.50 | Bonez39 | I even try to login as 'root' at the prompt and it tells me it's invalid |
| 05:29.57 | Jayce^ | ouch.. |
| 05:30.04 | Jayce^ | gotta be passwd it seems.. |
| 05:30.19 | Jayce^ | you can login to single user mode maybe, and try repairing, |
| 05:30.26 | Jayce^ | or use a rescue disc maybe |
| 05:32.47 | Bonez39 | hmmmmm, I have a woody cd...that I could boot from......but hate to mess up my system...but maybe this is a good excuse for reloading it all..I hate the thoughts of that too though.. |
| 05:33.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, should be able to salvage.. bet some of the guys here could say how |
| 05:35.05 | Bonez39 | but seems you are the only other one here at this hour |
| 05:35.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, but I'm not the greatest at repairing systems :) my records says so :) |
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| 05:42.38 | Bonez39 | brailsmt: howdy...are you good at repairs? login trouble? |
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| 06:15.29 | Bonez39 | hello synic |
| 06:15.54 | synic | hello |
| 06:22.45 | Bonez39 | what do you do, synic? I am a chiropractor |
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| 06:40.08 | Bonez39 | hans? ah, my help.. |
| 06:40.12 | Bonez39 | are you back now? |
| 06:41.05 | Bonez39 | Hans? |
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| 06:44.17 | Bonez39 | hans? here for a while now? |
| 06:44.23 | Bonez39 | or is your machine just cycling off and on? |
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| 07:00.03 | Bonez39 | hans? |
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| 13:55.51 | Hanuman | hans: you here? |
| 13:56.44 | hans | yeah |
| 13:57.56 | Hanuman | Is there some special setting I need to get my individual user .procmailrc files to work? |
| 13:58.10 | Hanuman | my /etc/procmailrc works just fine now - I just can't get the user ones to work |
| 13:58.51 | Hanuman | The funny thing is that it's noticing when permissions are wrong on the user procmailrc files, but I don't think it's reading them when I do have permissions correct |
| 13:59.14 | hans | do you have a .forward? |
| 13:59.51 | hans | have you tried running procmail manually on something? |
| 14:00.03 | hans | if that works, then the problem is in getting procmail invoked. |
| 14:00.20 | hans | see procmail(1) |
| 14:00.20 | Hanuman | hans: in the user directories, yes - do I need one elsewhere? |
| 14:00.29 | hans | what's in the .forward? |
| 14:00.55 | Hanuman | |IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #jessestay |
| 14:01.42 | hans | cat: /home/fugalh/.forward: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.55 | hans | what mailer? are you sure procmail isn't set up per default? |
| 14:06.09 | hans | heh, depeche mode used to sing pretty off-key |
| 14:06.20 | hans | (dreaming of me) |
| 14:12.01 | Hanuman | hans: sendmail |
| 14:12.42 | Hanuman | Think I just figured it out - my procmail is in /usr/bin/procmail, not /usr/local/bin/procmail |
| 14:12.53 | Hanuman | suites me right for copying and pasting and not paying attention |
| 14:13.49 | Hanuman | Does this look like a good recipe for plug mail?: |
| 14:13.49 | Hanuman | :@: # move plug mail to the plug box |
| 14:13.50 | Hanuman | *^(From|Cc|To).*plug |
| 14:13.50 | Hanuman | PLUG |
| 14:14.53 | hans | nope |
| 14:14.57 | hans | but that's what most do |
| 14:15.12 | Hanuman | and yes, dm used to sing pretty off key, but that's what made them so good (in a way) |
| 14:15.16 | Hanuman | what do you do? |
| 14:15.33 | hans | * ^List-Id: .*pluglist |
| 14:15.56 | Hanuman | Didn't see that in the header |
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| 14:16.01 | Hanuman | Maybe I need to look again |
| 14:17.49 | Hanuman | yup - there it is. |
| 14:17.58 | Hanuman | That probably is a better recipe |
| 14:19.59 | Hanuman | Very cool - I need to figure out a way to hide individual SPAM boxes now so it still gets filtered by user, but the user can't see their SPAM |
| 14:20.31 | Hanuman | I guess I could put write-only permissions on the SPAM folder |
| 14:20.43 | Hanuman | for the user |
| 14:52.42 | sjansen | Sometimes I wonder why my coworkers don't stare at me when I use phrases like "glob pattern" and "here document". |
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| 15:45.37 | Bonez39 | Hallo |
| 15:46.05 | sjansen | Bonez39: Howdy. |
| 15:48.56 | synic_ | Bonez39, so yeah, you asked last night, but I went to bed before I got it. I'm a webmonkey. |
| 15:50.44 | Bonez39 | a webmonkey, eh? ...I see..;) |
| 15:51.32 | Bonez39 | I am trying to get back in to my system..I can boot up...even to a gnome login screen...but I can't login...no matter what entry I give..it responds with 'authentication failure' |
| 15:54.01 | Bonez39 | my /etc/passwd /etc/group. those files appear to be intact..I try to view them with vi or vim and I can see the first page.but can't move around with either vi or vim |
| 15:54.15 | Bonez39 | hans is trying to help me.... |
| 15:54.24 | Bonez39 | but your input is appreciated too |
| 16:03.22 | synic_ | Bonez39, sorry... I'm at work now. It takes a while to respond. Have you tried to edit the files with knoppix or anything? |
| 16:10.38 | Bonez39 | no, I guess I need to get knoppix....Hans suggested that as well |
| 16:10.45 | Hanuman | Bonez39: what bootloader do you use - lilo or grub? |
| 16:12.35 | Hanuman | and do you know how to enter single user mode in either? |
| 16:14.06 | Hanuman | bbl - lunch |
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| 16:39.34 | Bonez39 | grub |
| 16:47.09 | Bonez39 | I can certainly enter single user mode...remind me what the command is.. |
| 16:50.43 | tensai | init s |
| 17:06.40 | Hanuman | in grub, type e for edit, select your kernel, e for edit again, type in " single", go back to the kernel listings and b for boot on the kernel you just edited |
| 17:08.13 | Hanuman | I have to do that about every time I install redhat because they won't fix their stupid drivers for my graphics card and by default they load into graphical login |
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| 17:09.15 | Hanuman | han_solo: are you hans or someone else? |
| 17:09.25 | han_solo | i'm hans. trying to figure out why I can't get to my computer. |
| 17:09.34 | han_solo | has hans been disappearing and reappearing? |
| 17:09.49 | Hanuman | this morning, yeah |
| 17:10.04 | han_solo | since I left at 9:40? |
| 17:10.22 | uncle_jesse | may as well play characters while we're at it... |
| 17:10.47 | Jayce^ | ugh.. that's bad.. :) |
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| 17:11.16 | uncle_jesse | hey - don't knock Dukes of Hazard |
| 17:13.41 | sjansen | Anyone else on campus here? Did you lose power too? |
| 17:13.58 | han_solo | sjansen: I'm in the talmage. no power loss |
| 17:14.10 | han_solo | but that _might_ explain why my computer at home isn't responding |
| 17:14.53 | tensai | brailsmt: are you the same brailsmt who wrote sql_iabbr.vim? |
| 17:14.58 | han_solo | i have a dinky ups. lasts about 2 minutes |
| 17:15.12 | Jayce^ | power loss? how much rain are you guys getting? |
| 17:15.14 | sjansen | I haven't tested mine yet. No idea how long it'll last. |
| 17:15.29 | han_solo | Jayce^: it was just sprinkling about 15 minutes ago. there was thunder though |
| 17:15.43 | tensai | mine says it'll go for 60 minutes but I've never tested it |
| 17:15.47 | Jayce^ | can see some rain from here.. couldn't tell how much |
| 17:15.53 | sjansen | Almost none. We were joking that the guys across the street in a cherry picker shut everything off so they could change a lamp bulb. |
| 17:15.59 | uncle_jesse | Crap - procmail's still not sending to user folders |
| 17:16.10 | han_solo | lol |
| 17:16.15 | han_solo | tensai: probably he is. |
| 17:16.36 | tensai | just wanted to thank him for a nice script |
| 17:18.07 | sjansen | Bummer. Just lost a coupla' months up time on a work computer. |
| 17:19.19 | sjansen | "I need a UPS for my work desktop. Could the department get one?" "Why?" "So I can have better uptime." "Why?" "Uhm.... 'cause." |
| 17:19.37 | uncle_jesse | I have 2 UPS's for my work desktop |
| 17:19.47 | uncle_jesse | Haven't gotten around to finding a use for the second one yet |
| 17:20.20 | sjansen | My primary is a laptop. The desktop is mostly there because I refuse to let the take it. |
| 17:21.20 | uncle_jesse | My last job we all got 2 machines - one Linux and one Windows (Windows was just so we could receive e-mail with our headquarters in San Diego). We rarely used the Windows machine. |
| 17:21.55 | sjansen | If you could the Windows machine I've got two desktops. But I don't count it. |
| 17:22.30 | uncle_jesse | For some reason they wanted us to have a Windows machine even though we didn't use it. I never could figure that out. |
| 17:23.44 | hans | well shoot. looks like it's down |
| 17:23.59 | hans | or something in the path to the network is |
| 17:25.53 | tensai | sjansen: tell them a UPS will regulate voltage so you don't fry your motherboard with a brownout or a spike |
| 17:26.10 | uncle_jesse | anyone have any suggestions (again) on how to get my procmail working for each user rather than sitewide? /etc/procmailrc works - just the user directories .procmailrc files don't work |
| 17:26.42 | Jayce^ | they work for me |
| 17:26.47 | hans | jesse, did you put "|exec /usr/bin/procmail" in your user's procmailrc files? (with the quotes) |
| 17:26.58 | hans | and did you try with no procmailrc files for users? |
| 17:27.02 | uncle_jesse | no - that is in .forward, though |
| 17:27.13 | brailsmt | tensai: yes |
| 17:27.13 | hans | oh yeah, I meant .forwar |
| 17:27.14 | hans | d |
| 17:27.26 | uncle_jesse | hans: what will having no procmailrc file do? |
| 17:27.51 | tensai | brailsmt: cool. I've wanted a script like that for some time. I like it. |
| 17:27.52 | hans | having no .forward should follow the default for the system, which usually includes run procmail. haven't seen a system that doesn't in a while |
| 17:27.54 | brailsmt | tensai: though there are a few contributors that significantly improved what I wrote... |
| 17:28.22 | uncle_jesse | hans: so remove the .forward, then is what you meant, right? |
| 17:28.24 | uncle_jesse | From pluglist-admin@plug.org Wed Oct 1 13:01:49 2003 |
| 17:28.24 | uncle_jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.27 | hans | yeah |
| 17:28.31 | uncle_jesse | sorry |
| 17:28.35 | uncle_jesse | right-clicked |
| 17:28.38 | hans | that's in your log? |
| 17:28.47 | uncle_jesse | actually, yes |
| 17:29.05 | uncle_jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.17 | uncle_jesse | it should say Folder: PLUG |
| 17:31.05 | hans | hmm. well if that's in your log then procmail is getting run |
| 17:31.31 | Jayce^ | btw.. anybody who can, help on that question.. it's a friend of mine at novell, who is just getting started in linux... as in total newb.. |
| 17:31.39 | Jayce^ | salesguy |
| 17:32.09 | uncle_jesse | hans: it is, but it's not running the user procmailrc |
| 17:32.20 | uncle_jesse | That should be correct for the /etc/procmailrc |
| 17:33.52 | hans | ok, let's start fresh. can you temporarily move your /etc/procmailrc? |
| 17:34.40 | uncle_jesse | yeah - just a sec |
| 17:34.51 | hans | /etc/procmailrc is sourced first, and if it delivers the message you'll never get to the user's file |
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| 17:47.24 | uncle_jesse | what's the chmod to remove world-writeable |
| 17:48.18 | uncle_jesse | ie - if I only want the user and root to write to it |
| 17:48.52 | uncle_jesse | The reason I'm asking is because in /var/log/maillog I get: |
| 17:48.54 | uncle_jesse | Oct 1 13:51:13 localhost sendmail[22329]: h91HoV8w022314: forward /home/jessestay/.forward.localhost: World writable directory |
| 17:48.57 | uncle_jesse | Oct 1 13:51:13 localhost sendmail[22329]: h91HoV8w022314: forward /home/jessestay/.forward: World writable directory |
| 17:49.22 | uncle_jesse | I think that might be causing it to stop trying procmail |
| 17:50.57 | tensai | chmod o-w |
| 17:51.42 | tensai | .forward shouldn't be a directory, though. It's supposed to be a text file. |
| 17:52.49 | uncle_jesse | yeah - that's what I thought - don't know why it's saying that |
| 17:54.35 | tensai | is /home/jessestay world writable? |
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| 17:55.02 | uncle_jesse | it was probably |
| 17:58.31 | uncle_jesse | okay - how do I get rid of group-writeable now? |
| 17:59.17 | tensai | chmod g-w |
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| 18:00.32 | uncle_jesse | sweet! That did it - it's going to my user's directory |
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| 18:01.58 | uncle_jesse | thanks for all your help guys |
| 18:02.22 | uncle_jesse | btw - I just read the man page for chmod so hopefully I won't have to ask again |
| 18:03.28 | uncle_jesse | what does this mean: |
| 18:03.30 | uncle_jesse | attempt to use "procmail.-f-.||.exit.75.#jessestay" (stat failed) |
| 18:12.48 | uncle_jesse | ever since that first time it worked I'm now getting that and the message is getting rejected |
| 18:15.47 | tensai | try using the full path to procmail, ie /usr/bin/procmail |
| 18:17.12 | uncle_jesse | I am |
| 18:17.29 | tensai | ok. I'm out of ideas. :( |
| 18:18.15 | uncle_jesse | |IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #jessestay |
| 18:18.21 | uncle_jesse | That's what's in my .forward file |
| 18:19.38 | hans | why so complicated? |
| 18:20.00 | hans | and have you tried removing your .forward? |
| 18:20.03 | hans | it should work without it. |
| 18:20.28 | hans | rm ~/.forward; rm /etc/procmailrc; return and report |
| 18:23.07 | Bonez39 | hans: ....back with you soon...those files |
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| 18:27.25 | uncle_jesse | hans: that worked. Now to get it to read my recipes |
| 18:30.06 | uncle_jesse | This recipe should work, right?: |
| 18:30.07 | uncle_jesse | :0: |
| 18:30.07 | uncle_jesse | *^From: jesse@cwdkids.com |
| 18:30.08 | uncle_jesse | PLUG |
| 18:30.24 | uncle_jesse | doh - the . needs to be \. |
| 18:31.09 | Bonez39 | hans...I can see the etc/passwd and other filesy ou mentioned...I try to open them using vi or vim and I can see the first page....but vi won't let me scroll down to see the rest.. |
| 18:31.22 | Bonez39 | hans: my /home/ folder seems like it's all in tact.. |
| 18:31.40 | uncle_jesse | Bonez39: are you in single user mode now? |
| 18:38.27 | uncle_jesse | cool - I'm up and working now w/ procmail |
| 18:46.14 | Bonez39 | no...llet me get there... just 'init s' right? |
| 18:47.13 | hans | Bonez39: if you're not in single user mode - are you in knoppix or flea? |
| 18:47.18 | hans | or did you manage to log in? |
| 18:47.56 | hans | Bonez39: can you go to the end of they file by typing G? |
| 18:48.07 | Bonez39 | I am moving now to single user mode...do I just issue " init s ? |
| 18:48.24 | Bonez39 | ok...it's calculating dependencies.. |
| 18:48.32 | Bonez39 | now I have a promt for maintenance mode. |
| 18:48.46 | Bonez39 | the root pass there...gets me a promt |
| 18:49.01 | Bonez39 | now it's "Going single user" |
| 18:49.15 | hans | k good |
| 18:49.23 | Bonez39 | maybe..I typed "init s" and am waiting for it to do something |
| 18:49.40 | Bonez39 | it's just sitting there....will it switch to run level 1 on its own? |
| 18:49.43 | hans | where did you type init s? |
| 18:49.51 | Bonez39 | at the promt |
| 18:49.53 | Bonez39 | prompt |
| 18:49.59 | hans | how did you get the prompt? |
| 18:50.16 | hans | i thought you couldn't log in as root or you? |
| 18:50.25 | Bonez39 | I told it to boot, in the grub loader,, into maintenance mode...then hit the root pass to get the prompt |
| 18:51.04 | Bonez39 | I just entered "exit" and it said it's entering run level 2 now |
| 18:51.44 | hans | oh ok. maintenance mode is the same thing as single user mode |
| 18:51.54 | hans | it asked for your password, right? And it let you in? |
| 18:52.11 | hans | but when you try to log in as root in a normal runlevel it doesn't? |
| 18:52.32 | Bonez39 | yeah, the root pass |
| 18:52.53 | Bonez39 | right, normal run level, 6....at the gnome prompt...I get authentication failure every tiem |
| 18:53.14 | hans | how about with a virtual console? <ctrl-alt-f2> |
| 18:54.32 | Bonez39 | a virtual console would provide a prompt but not allow me to log in at that prompt, not with user name or with root |
| 18:54.41 | Bonez39 | now, I have a prompt...logged in maintenance mode.. |
| 18:56.43 | uncle_jesse | can you do a passwd root? |
| 18:58.24 | Bonez39 | uncle_jesse: not sure what you mean |
| 18:58.31 | uncle_jesse | type "passwd root" |
| 18:58.36 | uncle_jesse | it should ask you for a password |
| 18:58.38 | Bonez39 | ok, one moment |
| 18:58.49 | uncle_jesse | enter in your root password, and try to re-login under root |
| 18:58.53 | hans | sorry, I have to run to lunch |
| 18:59.07 | hans | Bonez39: while you're at it do "passwd scott" too (or whatever your username is) |
| 18:59.14 | uncle_jesse | yeah |
| 18:59.49 | Bonez39 | passwd root returns "passwd: Module is unknown" |
| 19:00.02 | uncle_jesse | try /usr/bin/passwd root |
| 19:00.06 | Bonez39 | ok... |
| 19:00.12 | uncle_jesse | or wherever your passwd file is |
| 19:00.18 | uncle_jesse | s/file/program/ |
| 19:00.40 | Bonez39 | the /usr/bin/passwd root returned the Module is unknown response |
| 19:00.57 | uncle_jesse | is there a /usr/bin/passwd, or is passwd in another directory? |
| 19:01.18 | uncle_jesse | could be /usr/bin/passwd, /usr/local/bin/passwd, /usr/sbin/passwd, /usr/local/sbin/passwd |
| 19:02.36 | tensai | it sounds like a pam problem. what distro is it? |
| 19:03.25 | Bonez39 | 3.0...debian |
| 19:03.41 | Bonez39 | i know there is a passwd file in /etc |
| 19:04.23 | uncle_jesse | Bonez39: not that one - that's the file for storing passwords. |
| 19:04.24 | Bonez39 | what is PAM |
| 19:04.34 | uncle_jesse | we're looking for an executable program called passwd |
| 19:04.35 | tensai | pluggable authentication modules |
| 19:04.46 | Bonez39 | uncle_jesse: I thought so....I'll have to track down where my passwd executable file is |
| 19:05.17 | tensai | the let you have different back ends for authentication. the default is /etc/passwd files but you can use LDAP and such |
| 19:05.37 | uncle_jesse | tensai could be right, too - see if you can find the passwd program first, because that's the easiest route if it's your problem |
| 19:06.26 | uncle_jesse | ~slashdot |
| 19:06.26 | tensai | uncle_jesse: what are you thinking it is? |
| 19:07.00 | uncle_jesse | tensai: unlikely, but his root password could have gotten corrupt (along w/ other passwords) or changed |
| 19:07.13 | uncle_jesse | running passwd again might fix it |
| 19:07.25 | uncle_jesse | I may not know what I'm talking about, though |
| 19:07.53 | uncle_jesse | funny - my brother-in-law works for a big VC firm up in Utah, and SCO approached them to be bought just recently |
| 19:08.19 | uncle_jesse | my brother-in-law investigated them and couldn't come up with any method they were making money other than lawsuits |
| 19:08.42 | tensai | to enter single user mode in Debian it requires the root password, so it must be in there somewhere |
| 19:08.53 | tensai | I doubt he had to investigate very much |
| 19:09.07 | uncle_jesse | yeah - he pretty much laughed at the request |
| 19:09.20 | uncle_jesse | tensai: you're probably right on the root password thing |
| 19:09.42 | uncle_jesse | Bonez39: try it anyway, though if it's not too much trouble |
| 19:09.46 | tensai | plus the Module is unknown message sounds PAMish |
| 19:09.50 | uncle_jesse | yeah |
| 19:15.14 | Bonez39 | ok, I'll work on this later..I have to run to the post office. |
| 19:59.21 | hans | Bonez39: definitely sounds like PAM |
| 19:59.43 | hans | I'm not really familiar with pam or how to fix it - is anyone else? I'm guessing a reinstall is the easiest |
| 20:00.00 | hans | Is there somewhere you can back up your /home to? |
| 20:04.11 | hans | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html |
| 20:04.23 | hans | i could (and probably will) spend a whole day reading the stuff there |
| 20:06.28 | hans | but today, I work on my resume. :-P |
| 20:06.50 | uncle_jesse | I thought that was a book - didn't realize I could read it online. Cool - will have to read |
| 20:14.33 | hans | uncle_jesse: only(!) 9 chapters are online |
| 20:17.03 | hans | cool. byu has it in the library (checked out) |
| 20:17.29 | uncle_jesse | cool - wish I was at byu right now |
| 20:17.56 | uncle_jesse | This new OO looks very cool. |
| 20:19.42 | sjansen | Of all the days to break production. |
| 20:19.54 | sjansen | Gotta do that more often, kinda a rush. ;-) |
| 20:36.33 | hans | new OO? |
| 20:39.06 | uncle_jesse | ~slashdot |
| 20:39.16 | uncle_jesse | OpenOffice 1.1 |
| 20:40.23 | uncle_jesse | the sdk has Basic support |
| 20:40.48 | uncle_jesse | which is good for companies that can't easily switch to Linux because of Access apps |
| 20:41.12 | hans | oh, not related to byu |
| 20:41.16 | hans | i was confused |
| 20:41.32 | hans | this from that joel site. hilarious, yet true. |
| 20:41.33 | hans | Many of my days go like this: (1) get into work (2) check email, read the web, etc. (3) decide that I might as well have lunch before getting to work (4) get back from lunch (5) check email, read the web, etc. (6) finally decide that I've got to get started (7) check email, read the web, etc. (8) decide again that I really have to get started (9) launch the damn editor and (10) write code nonstop until I don't realize that it's already 7:30 pm. |
| 20:41.57 | hans | only problem is I get cut off about step 10 most days |
| 20:42.00 | uncle_jesse | sorry - I'm a bit scatter-brained |
| 20:42.40 | uncle_jesse | hans: how true |
| 20:43.51 | hans | the problem I'm having right now is getting into the zone at all while working. part time and I don't jive very well because I never ramp up |
| 20:44.15 | uncle_jesse | man - I'm addicted to this afro-celt |
| 20:44.52 | uncle_jesse | hans: yeah - If I'm doing something really interesting it's easy, but on days I have boring things to do, it's harder to get started |
| 20:45.25 | uncle_jesse | my last job I was much more excited to get in and do work |
| 20:45.40 | uncle_jesse | alot of it had to do with the way the company was run |
| 20:46.00 | uncle_jesse | very little micro-management, and alot of teamwork |
| 20:46.31 | uncle_jesse | I had to report to both a technical manager and product manager there as equals, yet I was not inferior to them |
| 20:47.23 | uncle_jesse | Everyone played a part in everything and noone was looking over your shoulder all the time |
| 20:47.56 | uncle_jesse | best of all - we all ran Linux on our desktops! |
| 20:48.18 | uncle_jesse | (we even got the product management team to start using cvs for certain docs we wanted to store) |
| 21:02.42 | uncle_jesse | cya guys later... |
| 23:10.57 | hans | hmm |
| 23:11.39 | hans | two hours with no activity, not even signs on and off. in the middle of the day. weird. |
| 23:14.13 | Jayce^ | and you had to go ruin it with your incessent chatter.. |
| 23:23.47 | hans | what? I thought I was thinking to myself |