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| 03:08.56 | linuxalien | Howdy |
| 03:09.42 | Jayce^ | lo |
| 03:10.14 | linuxalien | Is there a special command for fsck for reiser partitions? |
| 03:10.38 | linuxalien | I'd do man but I'm running off a business card bootable cdrom |
| 03:10.46 | linuxalien | man is not included |
| 03:10.59 | Jayce^ | reiserfsck |
| 03:11.16 | linuxalien | thanks! I'll give it a shot |
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| 13:08.55 | Hanuman | stupid wine |
| 13:09.02 | Hanuman | I can't get it to install w/ ssl support |
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| 13:20.02 | Bonez39 | anyone up here yet? |
| 13:21.02 | Bonez39 | I need help running e2fsck or something similar on my linux box (am on win box now).. had my linux box off and stored a week or so in my garage..now, it won't boot up...until I run some HD checking utilities |
| 13:35.46 | hans | hi Bonez39 |
| 13:46.56 | Bonez39 | hello hans |
| 13:47.04 | Bonez39 | I think I have toasted my fs again.. |
| 13:47.34 | Bonez39 | I was running my system yesterday, it froze...required a reset...and when it came back up...it went to that maintenance mode login... |
| 13:47.58 | Bonez39 | I ran fsck /dev/hda1 on it...and it's now grinding through all that |
| 13:51.06 | hans | Bonez39: probably didn't hose it. let us know if it asks you anything, but for the most part I just hit enter to whatever fsck says (because what do I know about how to handle it better? nothing) |
| 13:54.06 | hans | anyone know, can you set a default umask for a directory? e.g. I want this shared directory to always create files group-writable by default |
| 13:55.41 | Bonez39 | hans: thanks for encouragement... |
| 13:56.14 | Bonez39 | I know I need to get a bigger hard drive..hoping to get something really big, a la 120 gig...and carve it up for linux and such.. |
| 13:56.25 | Bonez39 | that should eliminate much of my space trouble |
| 13:57.24 | hans | yeah, it would |
| 13:57.49 | hans | course I have an 80 gig and somehow I'm managing to approach its limits |
| 13:59.42 | Bonez39 | funny how we tend to fill things up....eh? I would imagine you collect a lot of music..that's what i am hoping to do with my extra space |
| 14:00.03 | hans | yeah |
| 14:27.16 | Hanuman | I've got a 100 Gb Win/Linux machine and a 80 Gb Linux machine and both are now getting close to their limits. |
| 14:27.22 | Hanuman | Funny how that compares to life |
| 14:27.37 | Hanuman | you never seem to have enough money or hard-disk space |
| 14:28.42 | Hanuman | I'm going to get this Rhapsody to work under Wine on Linux if it kills me. |
| 14:28.58 | Hanuman | I think it's just ssl that's holding me back |
| 14:31.13 | Hanuman | This SCO roadshow cracks me up. Reminds me of my days in mutual. |
| 14:31.50 | Hanuman | would be even funnier if IBM were funding it instead of HP |
| 14:32.50 | Hanuman | That's surprising - they're not even coming to DC |
| 14:33.16 | Hanuman | It would be fun to organize a picket out here if they came |
| 14:33.27 | Hanuman | Maybe we could get some national attention - too bad |
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| 17:17.26 | Hanuman | anyone know of a good howto on how to setup ntfs partitions as viewable on Linux? |
| 17:17.33 | Hanuman | I used to know how, but forgot |
| 17:17.46 | Jayce^ | read only, or read write? |
| 17:18.10 | Hanuman | either |
| 17:18.18 | Hanuman | preferrably read write |
| 17:19.09 | Jayce^ | dont' do write with a 2.4 kernel.. |
| 17:19.25 | Hanuman | why is that? |
| 17:19.32 | Jayce^ | read is easy, most distro's have that enabled, you just need to mount |
| 17:19.35 | Jayce^ | experimental |
| 17:20.16 | Hanuman | I have some drives I wouldn't care about write with - anything different for write? |
| 17:20.59 | Jayce^ | just your mount flags.. you'd have to make sure write is enabled in the kernel |
| 17:21.43 | Hanuman | k |
| 17:22.08 | Hanuman | Red Hat for some reason doesn't enable that by default |
| 17:22.26 | Jayce^ | that would be a smart move |
| 17:22.59 | Hanuman | should I go for 2.5 unstable? |
| 17:25.36 | Hanuman | ahh - here's why - "Red Hat currently doesn.t include a NTFS driver because of uncertainties surrounding the legal status of the driver" |
| 17:27.37 | Hanuman | Cool - no need to recompile - http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html |
| 17:56.15 | hans | cool, debian-installer hopes to be ready for testing by the developer community at large in the next couple of weeks. |
| 17:56.45 | hans | then comes feature freeze, user testing, and release (and likely next debian release) |
| 17:57.12 | Hanuman | hans: very cool - that was one of my biggest complaints when trying to install debian |
| 17:57.21 | Hanuman | besides my network card not working |
| 17:57.31 | Hanuman | but I don't think that was all Debian's fault |
| 17:57.44 | hans | *cough* SiS *cough* |
| 17:57.56 | Hanuman | Hey - it only breaks now and then |
| 17:58.08 | Hanuman | I've got other cards, but this one saves me a pci slot |
| 17:58.13 | hans | heh. can't give me that. I lived with a sis mobo for long enough to know better |
| 17:58.20 | Hanuman | and it's 10/100 |
| 17:58.44 | Hanuman | actually that's the only thing sis on the mobo |
| 17:59.00 | hans | ah. you're not so bad off then |
| 17:59.25 | Hanuman | I have an embedded sound card but it's not sis and I turned it off in the bios |
| 18:00.34 | hans | really impressed with lilypond here. I have 2.5 minutes (about 10 pages) of quality music. only 8.5 minutes to go... |
| 18:00.57 | Hanuman | what's lilypond? |
| 18:01.07 | hans | music engraving software |
| 18:01.25 | hans | http://fugalh.dyndns.org/~fugalh/music/ |
| 18:03.58 | Hanuman | so it takes midi files and writes the sheetmusic for it? |
| 18:04.20 | hans | no, the .ly is the source. midi is one of the outputs though |
| 18:04.35 | hans | there are midi->ly converters though I think |
| 18:04.52 | Hanuman | Or takes sheet music and makes a midi file from it? |
| 18:05.58 | Hanuman | oh - I see, so an xml music maker |
| 18:06.18 | hans | yeah, mostly. but the syntax isn't xml |
| 18:06.31 | hans | it's something between tex and scheme |
| 18:14.54 | Hanuman | my boss doesnt' have a clue about spam nor it's blocking software |
| 18:15.25 | Hanuman | I don't know why she's not consulting with me - she's talking to someone in her office nextdoor about how all spam software sucks |
| 18:16.02 | Hanuman | she thinks all spam-blocking companies are in some big conspiracy to just make money and not care what is spam and what is not |
| 18:16.41 | Hanuman | yet I can't convince her or our President to let me put some real (free) spam-blocking solutions on our own network, so she can't see what a real spam-blocking solution can really do |
| 18:17.09 | Hanuman | right now we have a subject-line scanner that just happened to come for free with Norton Antivirus |
| 18:17.21 | Hanuman | and she thinks that's supposed to block our spam |
| 18:17.22 | hans | maybe you can put it on your computer, and strut around like a peacock since you don't get spam |
| 18:17.31 | hans | play the jealousy card :) |
| 18:17.56 | Hanuman | It's on my home computer - and she knows I don't get spam there |
| 18:18.17 | hans | not the same in her mind. work email != home email |
| 18:18.18 | Hanuman | I'm going to setup a cheap linux box here someday with an express purpose of just handling smtp |
| 18:18.27 | Hanuman | and filtering spam |
| 18:18.42 | Hanuman | one day everyone's spam is just going to dissapear |
| 18:19.34 | Hanuman | the problem is we're using Exchange and I can't just use Mozillamail to get my e-mail |
| 18:20.20 | Hanuman | I don't know of any Open-source exchange clients that work on Windows, or even just spam-blocking solutions that are OSS |
| 18:20.52 | Hanuman | so for now unless I spend some of my own money it's either all or nothing |
| 18:24.43 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, I remember on /. a while back, a python based bayesian filter for outlook |
| 18:28.06 | Hanuman | I tried that - it wasn't very good |
| 18:28.48 | Jayce^ | hans, picked up the first two afro-celt albums |
| 18:29.08 | Hanuman | It would denote what was spam and what wasn't, but had no way of moving the mail. And it involved creation of custom fields in Outlook which rules can't be created for. |
| 18:36.23 | neybar | any postgres guys here? |
| 18:37.48 | hans | Jayce^: cool |
| 18:40.13 | Jayce^ | hans, in the usual spot |
| 18:55.35 | Hanuman | Jayce^: is that the Afro Celt Sound System? |
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| 18:56.56 | hans | Hanuman: that's the one |
| 18:58.03 | Hanuman | very afro-celty |
| 19:09.03 | Hanuman | Reminds me of my nonafro-yet celtic ancestors |
| 19:09.34 | Jayce^ | bah, gaelic jig... not the *real* celts :) |
| 19:09.48 | Hanuman | Actually, I've got more Scottish blood in me |
| 19:11.02 | Hanuman | My Tartan is Royal Stewart |
| 19:11.22 | Hanuman | At least we get to wear skirts |
| 19:11.23 | Jayce^ | well, depending on how much you like the movie braveheart, I might have more scottish in me than is documented :) |
| 19:11.35 | Jayce^ | we'll remember you said that Hanuman.. |
| 19:11.48 | Jayce^ | Longshanks is one of my anceastors |
| 19:12.44 | Hanuman | Hey - whoever invented the pants for men didn't know what he was thinking about. We need clean air flowing down there probably more than the ladies. |
| 19:12.58 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 19:13.26 | Hanuman | It was probably a woman who invented the pants anyway |
| 19:13.39 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 19:14.05 | Hanuman | I don't think my wife wants to see me in a skirt |
| 19:14.19 | Jayce^ | I just think it's funny, that will all my norse heritage, I still can't grow a beard... |
| 19:14.41 | Hanuman | Me too - my dad can, though - I don't know why |
| 19:15.13 | Hanuman | Its because we're not wearing skirts |
| 19:15.28 | Jayce^ | uhhhhhh... you go test your theory.. I'll wait |
| 19:17.31 | tensai | Hanuman: was is SpamBayes that you tried? |
| 19:17.37 | tensai | s/is/it/ |
| 19:18.32 | tensai | We use that here and it eliminates 90% or so of our spam. It is an Outlook plugin, so server side filter don't work. but client filtering does. |
| 19:21.54 | Hanuman | tensai: yeah - maybe I was using it wrong |
| 19:24.22 | Hanuman | hans: actually, this afro-celt stuff is pretty good |
| 19:25.15 | tensai | Hanuman: if you want to give it another try sometime, let me know |
| 19:26.00 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, listen to volumn 3, my favorite.. |
| 19:26.10 | Jayce^ | falling is the track peter gabriel did with them |
| 19:26.47 | Hanuman | tensai: I'm trying right now |
| 19:26.58 | Hanuman | Jayce^: will do - gotta reboot first, though |
| 19:27.00 | Hanuman | cool |
| 19:28.08 | Jayce^ | silly windows user... gotta reboot :D |
| 19:31.46 | Hanuman | tensai: I keep getting "Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer faild; code 0x00000000." |
| 19:31.51 | Hanuman | when I try to install |
| 19:32.38 | tensai | you installed python and all the com extensions? |
| 19:33.21 | Hanuman | nope |
| 19:33.26 | Hanuman | guess I need to do that, don't I? |
| 19:33.57 | tensai | yeah. I just use the win32all rather than picking each package. |
| 19:34.36 | tensai | http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/win32/Downloads.html |
| 19:35.39 | Hanuman | downloading it now |
| 19:36.10 | tensai | cool. here's the problems I've seen with it: |
| 19:36.38 | tensai | sometimes outlook will remove the plugin for no good reason. you have to re-run addin.py to re-register it. I make a shortcut for my users. |
| 19:37.02 | tensai | the plugin makes outlook load a little slower |
| 19:37.22 | tensai | since the parsing is done client side, you'll see the message flicker in your inbox before being trashed |
| 19:37.56 | tensai | it's especially noticable after a long weekend because it takes a bit to filter all the spam |
| 19:38.09 | tensai | overall my users really love it |
| 19:41.28 | Hanuman | that's right - I remember - it was a button that moved all the spam to the spam box |
| 19:41.39 | Hanuman | You couldn't set up an auto-filter rule in Outlook |
| 19:41.46 | Hanuman | that's what I didn't like about it |
| 19:42.02 | tensai | there are filters, but not in the normal place. it has its own filter manager |
| 19:42.20 | tensai | the buttons are for training |
| 19:42.21 | Hanuman | so it will automatically filter mail without the user having to push a button? |
| 19:42.29 | tensai | yes |
| 19:42.45 | Hanuman | cool - I couldn't figure out how to get that working before |
| 19:44.24 | tensai | it creates a button labeled "Anti-spam Manager" which has a drop down containing a filter manager button |
| 19:44.40 | tensai | that pops up a window to manage the filters |
| 19:45.45 | tensai | for the filters, I use > 85% for certainly spam and > 30% for possibly spam |
| 19:48.51 | Hanuman | s/ien/ine/ |
| 19:49.11 | tensai | just don't try reading it. between python and COM+, it's a mess |
| 19:50.41 | Hanuman | whoa - what's that? Perl's sticking its tongue out at Python on my machine |
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| 20:29.30 | Jayce^ | Vegetarians eat Vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me. |
| 20:41.21 | Hanuman | Mozilla needs to pre-program Mozilla so /. goes to slashdot.org |
| 20:41.40 | Hanuman | or maybe ctrl /. |
| 20:50.03 | Hanuman | Any idea what Drupal was written in? |
| 20:50.10 | Hanuman | I guess I could look it up |
| 20:50.35 | hans | php |
| 20:54.10 | Hanuman | k - wish it was perl |
| 20:54.42 | Hanuman | I'd like to take my family website system and build it on top of a content-management system like that rather than build it from the ground-up. |
| 20:54.50 | Hanuman | I guess I could learn PHP if I really wanted to. |
| 20:59.28 | Hanuman | can anyone get to http://www.cwdkids.com ? |
| 21:00.20 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 21:00.20 | Hanuman | nm - I just did from home |
| 21:00.23 | tensai | Hanuman: yeah. seems fine |
| 21:00.24 | Hanuman | tnx |
| 21:00.29 | Hanuman | it's just me then |
| 21:00.30 | Jayce^ | crap, every friggen image tries setting a cookie |
| 21:00.45 | Hanuman | cya guys later... |
| 21:02.27 | Jayce^ | ~/o The sun is a mass of incandescent gas, a giant nuclear furnace o/~ |
| 21:02.30 | | okay, Jayce^ |
| 21:03.28 | Jayce^ | points to those who know the song |
| 21:12.29 | levi | They Might Be Giants |
| 21:12.42 | levi | And it's a 'gigantic nuclear furnace' |
| 21:19.39 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:19.52 | Jayce^ | what I meant :) |
| 21:41.54 | neybar | I thought my email wasn't working... I hadn't recieved anything from plug today |
| 21:48.03 | levi | How bizarre. The top two URLs on my referrer list don't even point at my web page. |
| 21:48.10 | levi | One of them is a 404, too. |
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| 22:01.30 | Jayce^ | w00t! |
| 22:01.36 | Jayce^ | pig's in the house |
| 22:03.09 | HarleyPig | Oink! Has anyone heard of homecs.com ? HomeCareer Searches, it's a pay for membership (apparently one time $30 fee) site that claims to provide match up services for telecommute job seekers and employers. |
| 22:03.43 | HarleyPig | Just wondering if it's worth the money. |
| 22:03.46 | Jayce^ | never heard of them |
| 22:20.27 | HarleyPig | Is it fun? |
| 22:23.15 | Jayce^ | seems to be.. |
| 22:35.04 | hans | ~the sun? |
| 22:35.19 | hans | ibot, the sun? |
| 22:35.21 | | hans: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:35.28 | hans | quite |
| 23:04.09 | hans | next thing you know, I might write a review... |
| 23:04.21 | Jayce^ | woohoo |
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