| 01:10.18 | Hanuman | anyone remember the SysRq key combination to kill the current process (ie to kill X when it freezes)? |
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| 04:35.16 | brailsmt | anyone know of a good resume style for latex? |
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| 15:00.08 | hans | Hanuman: uname -a |
| 15:00.10 | hans | and check lsmod |
| 15:00.52 | hans | debian does patch kernels, but so does redhat. I doubt either messes with the sis900 module though. If you can see what configuration works then theoretically you should be able to get the debian install to work. |
| 15:01.20 | hans | Then there's the debootstrap approach, where you install debian over redhat from redhat. |
| 15:08.10 | Hanuman | If they could just combine redhat's install with debian's apt repositories, we'd all be just fine |
| 15:08.38 | sjansen | Fedora is going at it from one direction. The new Debian installer from the other. |
| 15:09.01 | sjansen | But as another ice age doesn't seem to even be on the horizon, I'm betting Fedora gets it done first. |
| 15:10.01 | Hanuman | yeah - I haven't seen Debian's new installer, but that would be nice. Fedora isn't quite there yet as far as apt, etc. goes - it will be interesting to see what direction they take. |
| 15:10.18 | Hanuman | right now I still have to use rhn to use up2date with Fedora |
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| 15:12.09 | Hanuman | Ximian doesn't seem to support fedora yet either - do you think its because its not stable yet? |
| 15:17.17 | sjansen | Yeah. I wonder what kind of support they'll give in the future. They greatly reduced their support in the past. |
| 15:19.44 | sjansen | Whoever came up with the name "firewall" did the world a disservice. |
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| 15:20.51 | sjansen | They should have called it something like IEPB (intranet edge port blocker) so that non-technical and non-informed "technical" people didn't think it did everything including filter spam. |
| 15:21.25 | Hanuman | sjansen: I completely agree |
| 15:55.26 | sjansen | Mirror? |
| 15:56.09 | Jayce^ | link from aol servers is handling well |
| 15:56.12 | Jayce^ | link is on /. |
| 16:00.34 | sjansen | Thanks. |
| 16:01.17 | Jayce^ | wish they had a higher res version |
| 16:08.46 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I'm not seeing that link on /. |
| 16:08.57 | Hanuman | what's shelob? |
| 16:09.34 | Jayce^ | go read the LOTR books, and you'll know :) |
| 16:10.01 | Hanuman | oh - I know what you're talking about now |
| 16:10.12 | Hanuman | Never got to Return of the King, though |
| 16:10.21 | Hanuman | Ran out of time |
| 16:10.48 | Hanuman | which one was shelob? I saw the trailer |
| 16:11.32 | Bradipo | Ran out of time... |
| 16:11.42 | Bradipo | I have read LotR 10 times since I was 14 years old. |
| 16:11.54 | Bradipo | Including the Hobbit. |
| 16:12.26 | Bradipo | Best books I've ever read. :-) |
| 16:19.02 | Hanuman | I like technical manuals better |
| 16:19.21 | Hanuman | You can't make a movie out of those, though |
| 16:25.01 | Bradipo | I like technical manuals when I have the need to learn something new. |
| 16:25.07 | Bradipo | They don't make good novels though. |
| 16:25.37 | sjansen | Bradipo: Sure they do, just harder to find the theme or plot. |
| 16:25.46 | Hanuman | I watch movies for good novels - much faster and to the point |
| 16:26.03 | Hanuman | that's the beauty of modern technology |
| 16:26.09 | sjansen | Hanuman: No comparison. The book is almost always better. |
| 16:26.33 | Hanuman | sjansen: I know, but when you don't have time to read the book, at least you get the point from the movie |
| 16:26.41 | sjansen | Take an MS manual, the plot is "all your code are belong to us." |
| 16:26.55 | Hanuman | I can make much more money reading tech manuals than novels |
| 16:27.05 | sjansen | Of a Java book, "life is futile, just accept it and code." |
| 16:27.13 | Hanuman | When I retire I'll start reading novels again |
| 16:27.40 | Hanuman | lol |
| 16:31.01 | Bradipo | I can make a lot more money doing a lot of things, but I would be bored to death doing them. |
| 16:31.29 | Hanuman | I enjoy making money |
| 16:31.35 | Hanuman | and computers |
| 16:31.47 | Hanuman | so I have no problem reading tech manuals |
| 16:32.01 | Hanuman | My kids love the Camel book |
| 16:33.19 | Hanuman | unfortunately the Camel's about the only thing that interests them at this point |
| 16:33.32 | Hanuman | I can't get them to sit still for the other pages |
| 16:46.45 | sjansen | How old are they? |
| 16:58.56 | hans | Hanuman: I'd rather read a good book than watch its movie any day. I usually end up doing both though |
| 16:59.16 | hans | it's like reading the camel book vs. perl for dummies or something. |
| 16:59.26 | hans | or doing someone's web tutorial... |
| 16:59.43 | sjansen | Besides, you can't take a movie into the bathroom. |
| 16:59.55 | sjansen | And if you've installed a TV in there... you've got a serious addiction. |
| 17:15.01 | neybar | lol |
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| 17:24.34 | Hanuman | my kids are 1.5 and 3.2 |
| 17:27.36 | Hanuman | Jayce^: do you own Practical mod_perl yket? |
| 17:27.44 | Hanuman | s/yket/yet/ |
| 17:29.29 | Hanuman | Is this true?: |
| 17:29.32 | Hanuman | http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=79016&cid=7086185 |
| 17:30.52 | Jayce^ | yes I have the book |
| 17:31.31 | Jayce^ | no that isn't. |
| 17:32.38 | Hanuman | I've got the cookbook |
| 17:32.43 | Hanuman | also very good |
| 17:33.31 | Jayce^ | got all three.. |
| 17:33.41 | Jayce^ | they make great set... work well together.. |
| 17:33.50 | Jayce^ | so far that is.. only about 1/3 of the way through this one.. |
| 17:35.37 | Hanuman | I've got it circled in my O'Reilly catalog (Practical mp) |
| 17:35.41 | Hanuman | Maybe Christmas |
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| 17:47.59 | Hanuman | Man - Windows would be so much more appealing (and that's not saying much) to me if it just had it's own decent editor |
| 17:48.06 | Hanuman | And don't even mention notepad |
| 17:52.42 | levi | Windows would be so much more appealing if you could fix it without reinstalling the OS, and therefore reinstalling EVERY PIECE OF SOFTWARE on the stupid machine. |
| 17:53.31 | levi | You can just download vim for it to fix your editor woes. Software installation is pretty seriously broken. |
| 17:57.56 | Hanuman | Can you get vim w/o cygwin? |
| 17:58.13 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:58.16 | Jayce^ | vim.sf.net |
| 17:58.23 | Hanuman | cool |
| 17:58.38 | Hanuman | is there a graphical vim (similar to gvim)? |
| 17:58.59 | Jayce^ | that's exactly what it is... just a simple windows installer.. works great |
| 17:59.05 | Hanuman | cool |
| 17:59.31 | Hanuman | That's one more Microsoft reliant program I don't have to worry about |
| 18:00.22 | Hanuman | Question - are mythTV and Freevo about the only major Linux PVR solutions out there? |
| 18:01.09 | hans | Hanuman: I shouldn't tell you this, but I believe you can get w32 versions of emacs too. |
| 18:01.26 | Hanuman | I knew that was coming |
| 18:01.35 | Jayce^ | as if windows needs help running slower.. |
| 18:01.57 | hans | i only mention it because it _is_ an improvement over notepad. :) |
| 18:02.13 | Hanuman | that is definitely true |
| 18:08.06 | Hanuman | One more question - is there a Wine irc channel out there somewhere? |
| 18:08.38 | Hanuman | As in "Windows Emulator" not the stuff that people drink |
| 18:14.27 | levi | I'm sure there is. |
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| 18:46.58 | hans | have you heard this: http://www.whois.sc/verisign-dns/ |
| 18:47.08 | hans | talk about idiocy |
| 18:47.14 | hans | try this: |
| 18:47.38 | hans | $ host somereallyobscureandcertainlyuntakendomainname.com |
| 18:47.47 | hans | ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. |
| 18:47.48 | hans | somereallyobscureandcertainlyuntakendomainname.com has address 64.94.110.11 |
| 18:50.42 | sjansen | I suspect lawsuits will be more effective than a petition. |
| 18:57.28 | hans | sjansen: I can sign a petition. I don't see how I can bring a lawsuit to bear. But I hope some do. |
| 18:58.03 | hans | having just watched the rotk trailer, the 'steward' of gondor comes to mind. VeriSign is a 'steward' of the root dns |
| 18:58.32 | Jayce^ | and doesn't want to give it up |
| 19:01.43 | Hanuman | can you say monopoly? |
| 19:01.52 | Hanuman | Next thing you know Microsoft will be buying Verisign |
| 19:02.18 | Hanuman | I hate working with SQL Server |
| 19:04.36 | Hanuman | After working with Oracle I just want my stupid ltrim and rtrim functions |
| 19:04.44 | Hanuman | and not just stripping off whitespace |
| 19:05.54 | Hanuman | or just give me some decent regex capabilities and I'll be set |
| 19:07.32 | Hanuman | cool - regex is possible (if you can't tell I like to think aloud) |
| 19:07.43 | Hanuman | and there's noone but you guys around me to hear |
| 19:08.01 | hans | what? did you say something? |
| 19:23.14 | Jayce^ | interesting is one word for it.... |
| 19:23.27 | Jayce^ | uug definatly make s the plug list look like it always stays on topic :D |
| 19:27.21 | Hanuman | what does uug stand for - "Unix Users Group"? |
| 19:27.33 | Hanuman | "Utah Users Group" |
| 19:31.56 | sjansen | Hanuman: Right the first time. |
| 19:33.57 | Hanuman | That's what I thought |
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| 20:23.41 | Jayce^ | so did these people on the UUG list just miss the plug surplus meet? :) |
| 20:23.53 | Jayce^ | guess it's about time for another.. |
| 20:40.19 | Hanuman | Wow - that Lamo case is really getting interesting |
| 20:40.32 | Hanuman | I don't know how I feel about the Patriot act now |
| 20:41.01 | Hanuman | How are we supposed to make a voice known when certain issues are happening without risking the FBI stealing all confidential conversations? |
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| 21:05.40 | tensai | Hanuman: that's the point. The Patriot Act is bad. Bad, bad, bad. Unless you don't /want/ your civil liberties, of course. And that pesky free speech. |
| 21:06.52 | Jayce^ | part of the nightwatch program :) |
| 21:07.47 | Jayce^ | babylon 5 |
| 21:08.26 | Hanuman | tensai: I used to be for it until this case - now I'm seeing where its weaknesses lie |
| 21:09.11 | Hanuman | well, gotta head home - bbl |
| 21:10.04 | tensai | ah. he leaves just when the conversation was getting interesting. |
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