| 00:34.43 | hans | ok perl guys |
| 00:34.57 | hans | does perl do threads and if so are they lightweight or not? |
| 00:37.46 | Jayce^ | standard option in perl 5.8, but they do have to be turned on... |
| 00:38.08 | Jayce^ | depends on your distro if they are on by default or not |
| 00:38.21 | Jayce^ | seem to work great for me |
| 00:39.01 | hans | lightweight? |
| 00:39.11 | hans | e.g. in ruby they are, so when one thread blocks the whole process blocks |
| 00:39.53 | hans | which you can get around with select if you're clever, but... |
| 00:41.06 | Jayce^ | http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlthrtut.html |
| 00:41.14 | Jayce^ | that should answer most your questions |
| 01:01.16 | hans | hmm. machine/os-dependent |
| 01:01.43 | hans | looks like each perl thread is in a regular process thread, so it would behave like C on linux |
| 01:12.50 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 03:03.54 | Beandog | Has anyone seen the Book of Mormon movie yet |
| 03:04.22 | Jayce^ | nope |
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| 13:17.05 | hans | go hp |
| 13:17.09 | hans | http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/09/24/HNhpindemnify_1.html |
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| 13:23.48 | Hanuman | whaasssaaaap! |
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| 13:38.59 | Hanuman | Cool - I can run Linux on my Compaq Presario now and HP will protect me! |
| 13:39.17 | Hanuman | Oh - wait - I am running Linux on my Compaq Presario |
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| 13:44.26 | sjansen | Do we have an experience XSLT user in the house? |
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| 16:10.06 | Jayce^ | so is everything covered in smoke down in the valley? |
| 16:10.50 | sjansen | Yep. |
| 16:11.05 | sjansen | I like the smell, but not the haze. |
| 16:11.06 | Jayce^ | where is the fire that's causing this? |
| 16:11.20 | sjansen | I hear it's up provo canyon toward Heber. |
| 16:11.31 | Jayce^ | it's pretty bad when it's filled up my house.. we never get haze here.. |
| 16:11.32 | sjansen | Apparently a controlled burn that got out of control. |
| 16:11.45 | sjansen | Where do you live? |
| 16:11.57 | Jayce^ | the ranches.. |
| 16:12.10 | Jayce^ | right in the pass between utah valley, and cedar valley. |
| 16:12.36 | Jayce^ | that's weird that that much smoke would come from that direction |
| 16:14.34 | tensai | anybody watch wheel of fortune last night? |
| 16:14.59 | tensai | they had a trip to Utah as one of the prizes. that's a first |
| 16:15.25 | Jayce^ | what fun.... umm... yeah |
| 16:15.51 | tensai | apparently $7000 worth. the trip to Mexico was only 3 grand |
| 16:21.25 | Hanuman | Those fires used to always make me nervous. My house was the highest on our hill, and therefore would be the first to be burned in the fire. |
| 17:14.41 | hans | Hanuman: whether it's the first burned or the last burned, it's still burned. ;-) |
| 17:17.04 | Hanuman | that's definitely true |
| 17:19.44 | Hanuman | hans: we need to incorporate this into ibot somehow when SCO is mentioned: |
| 17:19.46 | Hanuman | http://www.rageagainst.net/scogenerator.php |
| 17:22.37 | sjansen | It would have to be cleaned up a bit. |
| 17:27.01 | Hanuman | I'd love to get the code to ibot if I get some time and add that in there. |
| 17:27.15 | Hanuman | Use LWP to use the scogenerator code. |
| 17:28.08 | hans | wow, only got 33 email viruses in the past 2 hours. it's slowing down maybe. (or maybe it's lunchtime) |
| 17:28.26 | Jayce^ | that new patch one? |
| 17:28.52 | hans | the ones that try to look like they're from microsoft. I just vgrep the subjects, haven't really analyzed them. |
| 17:29.29 | Jayce^ | I have a procmail that strips out the exe loaded emails. |
| 17:30.09 | Jayce^ | :0 B |
| 17:30.09 | Jayce^ | * ^ *Content-Disposition: attachment; |
| 17:30.09 | Jayce^ | * filename=".*\.(pif|exe|scr)" |
| 17:30.09 | Jayce^ | /dev/null |
| 17:32.11 | Jayce^ | this doesn't catch that latest one, but I'm just looking at modifying it for that.. |
| 17:35.05 | Hanuman | hans: I've been getting a large amount of those as well |
| 17:35.19 | Hanuman | They go directly into my Spam box - fprot detects them first |
| 17:35.47 | Hanuman | MailScanner detects the .exe's for me |
| 17:37.42 | Hanuman | I think my bayesian filter through SpamAssassin is now detecting them now. |
| 17:37.54 | Hanuman | s/is now// |
| 17:37.59 | Hanuman | doh |
| 17:38.04 | Hanuman | s/is now/is/ |
| 17:38.06 | hans | spamassasin hasn't missed a single one I've looked at, but it's been an interesting challenge for my bayesian filter |
| 17:38.39 | hans | it still gets most of them, but an occasional one slips through. I'm almost intrigued enough to figure out why. |
| 17:39.09 | Hanuman | interesting - I actually haven't really been reading the headers lately to see what all is detecting it |
| 17:39.32 | Hanuman | I know fprot is catching them because they all get marked with a *****Virus?***** in the subject |
| 17:47.37 | Hanuman | I think I'm going to write a quick perl script to take a new style-sheet in the url and submit that for the style-sheet in the html |
| 17:48.03 | Hanuman | Then we can allow people to submit their own style-sheets and put links to the style-sheets on ldsoss.org for people to view |
| 17:49.05 | Hanuman | I'll write the html with good div tags with id's so people can control how those divs are displayed w/i the stylesheet |
| 17:49.48 | Hanuman | of course, all must match w3c xhtml and css standards compliance |
| 17:49.53 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you said you registered it as a project, or are going too? |
| 17:50.25 | Hanuman | I did - just waiting for it to get approved. Steve's unsure on how to do that, so I'm going to see if I can look at the docs this evening for gforge to figure all that out. |
| 17:50.38 | Jayce^ | k |
| 17:50.41 | Hanuman | ideally it would go to the committee list to be approved. |
| 17:51.17 | Hanuman | As soon as it's ready, you'll just be able to download the code via cvs and try it out yourself |
| 17:51.24 | Jayce^ | right. |
| 17:51.46 | Jayce^ | need to get a login and sudo, so we can get all the other stuff up too |
| 17:52.07 | Hanuman | yeah - I think Steve and Charles are both working on that together. |
| 17:52.21 | Hanuman | Steve's making alot of progress now that he's got gforge setup. |
| 17:52.36 | Jayce^ | yeah, I want to get those separate apache's going... |
| 17:52.40 | Hanuman | He just finally got the lists setup and we're arranging to transfer from Dan's to ldsoss.org |
| 17:52.50 | Jayce^ | that will help the server's performance |
| 17:52.54 | Hanuman | I agree |
| 17:53.30 | Hanuman | in fact, I'll IM him right now and see what his progress on sudo and logins is |
| 17:54.06 | Jayce^ | guess I should get his IM info... been waiting to see him here. |
| 17:54.46 | sjansen | Do we have any Tomcat users in the house? |
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| 17:57.26 | synic|laptop | bleh. why can't the slug have regular meetings? |
| 17:57.31 | Hanuman | Steve's going to be contacting you Jayce^ |
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| 17:57.47 | Hanuman | speak of the devil... ;-) |
| 17:59.38 | Hanuman | who was the group that sang "500 miles" (with the Scottish or whatever accent)? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't think of their name |
| 17:59.57 | Jayce^ | the proclaimers |
| 18:00.08 | Jayce^ | album is "sunshine on leith" |
| 18:00.32 | Hanuman | that's right - knew it started with a p |
| 18:00.58 | Hanuman | I'm addicted to this Rhapsody |
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| 19:14.52 | hans | heh. this sounds more and more like debian: The first release of Fedora Project Linux is not yet available. It's |
| 19:14.57 | hans | due |
| 19:14.58 | hans | out, well, "when it's ready". |
| 19:22.37 | levi | Woo, I'm going to go see Interpol tonight. Anyone else going? |
| 19:26.21 | Jayce^ | WTF is a "superglobal"?? |
| 19:26.32 | Jayce^ | and why is it different than a global? |
| 19:28.51 | sjansen | Jayce^: Trippin' on more Perl acid? |
| 19:30.56 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I was asking myself the same question |
| 19:31.03 | Hanuman | what is this new programing term? |
| 19:31.32 | Hanuman | my my $superglobal; |
| 19:32.46 | Hanuman | hans: I think that was to recruit all you Debian guys - you know what it means |
| 19:33.11 | Hanuman | It was code for "Come to me, Debian users, come to me..." |
| 19:35.16 | Jayce^ | no, the php quesiton on plug.. |
| 19:38.02 | Hanuman | my code reference was an answer to Hans's "when it's ready" comment |
| 19:38.15 | Hanuman | the my my was in answer to superglobal |
| 19:39.20 | Jayce^ | see, it sounds like that would be the opposite. |
| 19:40.53 | Hanuman | PHP is just weird |
| 19:40.57 | Jayce^ | yes.. |
| 19:41.08 | Hanuman | it's a Perl wannabe that just can't get there |
| 19:41.17 | Jayce^ | but anyways, dave was talking about 'superglobals' and that just gave me the willies.. |
| 19:41.26 | Hanuman | yet won't go there entirely |
| 19:41.51 | Hanuman | superwillies |
| 19:42.56 | Hanuman | I think everyone wants to be like perl subliminally |
| 19:43.03 | sjansen | One thing I'll say for writing XSLT. It sure beats parsing. |
| 19:43.06 | Hanuman | They just don't know it yet |
| 19:43.30 | Jayce^ | beats parsing the xml? or what? |
| 19:43.30 | Hanuman | yes, but XSLT can only parse XML |
| 19:43.54 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, get your terms right.. it's 'transform'.. not parse.. :D |
| 19:44.25 | Hanuman | sorry - you are correct |
| 19:44.41 | Hanuman | m// vs s/// |
| 19:45.13 | sjansen | Jayce^: Beats writing parsers. Everything should be XML so no parser ever has to be written again. |
| 19:45.24 | Jayce^ | lol.. riiiight.. |
| 19:45.37 | Hanuman | Try convincing my boss of that |
| 19:45.47 | sjansen | XSLT is ugly, but writing a parser is worse. |
| 19:45.52 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you doing this for your tomcat.. |
| 19:46.08 | sjansen | Nah. Just dinking around. |
| 19:46.24 | Jayce^ | XML::Simple is one of my favorites :) |
| 19:46.32 | Jayce^ | for just reading in xml. |
| 19:46.44 | Jayce^ | slurp that baby into a hash.. |
| 19:47.51 | sjansen | At the moment I'm learning about RSS. Toying with the idea of using XSLT to transform feeds. |
| 19:48.06 | Hanuman | mmm...hashes |
| 19:48.26 | Hanuman | sorry - I was thinking of hashbrowns, not hashes |
| 19:48.58 | Jayce^ | think there is some stuff already... remember seeing people discussing that for use with Axkit.. |
| 19:49.14 | Jayce^ | (fyi, axkit is a mod_perl based xml application server) |
| 19:49.41 | Hanuman | does PHP have a hash equivalent? |
| 20:09.57 | Hanuman | hmmm...what's another good album I can listen to - any recommendations? |
| 20:10.52 | Jayce^ | genre? |
| 20:15.36 | Hanuman | any genre |
| 20:15.42 | Hanuman | I like em all |
| 20:16.12 | Jayce^ | you listened to the new camouflage album yet? |
| 20:16.58 | Hanuman | no - never listened to camouglage ever - never heard of them |
| 20:17.14 | Jayce^ | very very much like depeche mode... |
| 20:17.15 | Hanuman | s/camouglage/camouflage/ |
| 20:17.30 | Jayce^ | I know for sure you've heard some of their stuff.. I know I've played it around you before.. |
| 20:17.47 | Jayce^ | the new one is their best IMHO.. |
| 20:18.15 | Jayce^ | some of their other good songs.. |
| 20:18.20 | Jayce^ | the great commandment |
| 20:18.23 | Jayce^ | love is a shield |
| 20:18.27 | Jayce^ | that smiling face.. |
| 20:18.35 | Jayce^ | those come to mind |
| 20:18.46 | Hanuman | none of their stuff is on Rhapsody - any other recommendations? |
| 20:20.23 | Hanuman | each artist has its own radio station with their own music and similar music even if no albums are available |
| 20:20.30 | Hanuman | (on Rhapsody) |
| 20:20.34 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 20:21.24 | Hanuman | man this song sounds like erasure ;-) |
| 20:21.45 | Hanuman | a mix between erasure and depeche mode |
| 20:22.55 | Jayce^ | gee.. wonder why |
| 20:25.14 | Jayce^ | http://www.camouflage-music.com/english/home.html |
| 20:31.34 | Hanuman | interesting...the background music is very similar to depeche mode, yet the vocals are very unique |
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| 20:35.33 | levi | I also recommend Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot |
| 20:40.21 | levi | Interpol was originally recommended to me as similar to Joy Division, but I think the similarities are superficial. |
| 20:41.15 | Hanuman | I've never heard of any of them |
| 20:41.20 | Hanuman | Wilco sounds familiar |
| 20:42.03 | levi | Joy Division is one of those hugely influential but little-known bands from the late 70s. Their lead singer killed himself, and the rest of them went on to form New Order. |
| 20:42.04 | hans | Hanuman: that would be because you played space quest too much |
| 20:44.46 | Hanuman | yes - I did play alot of Space Quest |
| 20:45.00 | Hanuman | In fact, I just got Kings Quest 6 yesterday |
| 20:45.02 | levi | Wilco is an alt-country band who now play folk-tinged rock with a bit of noise experimentation. |
| 20:45.15 | Hanuman | I'm realizing that |
| 20:45.34 | Hanuman | interesting |
| 20:46.04 | levi | You might also like Neko Case - Blacklisted |
| 20:47.09 | Hanuman | Some days you'll hear me listening to Classical, other days New Age, other days R&B, other days hard rock (to an extent), other days 80s, other days 60s and 70s, and sometimes even Brittany Spearsish songs |
| 20:47.22 | Hanuman | I think I like classical most |
| 20:47.35 | levi | Which is pure country, which I usually despise, but is really great in her case. |
| 20:47.46 | Hanuman | Not a big fan of rap, unless it's not profane and has more than just a beat and words |
| 20:48.00 | Hanuman | I listen to country sometimes, too |
| 20:48.04 | Hanuman | I have to - I'm from Texas |
| 20:48.30 | Hanuman | Doesn't mean I always have to admit it, though |
| 20:48.33 | levi | I lived in Texas for 7 or 8 years and still hated country music. |
| 20:49.09 | Hanuman | In high school I learned that all the best girls liked country, so I gained a tolerance for it. |
| 20:49.58 | hans | define best girls. ;-) |
| 20:50.10 | levi | Yeah, that depends largely on your qualifications for 'best girls' :) |
| 20:50.21 | levi | For me, 'good taste in music' is a significant factor. |
| 20:50.32 | Hanuman | well, the really cool ones despised country, but those were rare |
| 20:50.39 | hans | me too. country-lovin' was almost a sure spam factor |
| 20:51.14 | hans | to apply the email nomenclature |
| 20:52.24 | levi | For some non-vulgar hip-hop/rap, try Red Snapper - Making Bones |
| 20:53.52 | levi | It's got funky bass guitar and jazzy horn playing along with drums and some electronic effects. |
| 20:56.11 | Hanuman | cool |
| 20:56.48 | levi | One of the few acts of their kind to use real instruments instead of just samples. |
| 20:57.48 | Hanuman | well, time to go - cya guys later |
| 21:00.41 | levi | Seeya. |
| 21:23.00 | tensai | what's the tag in XML to embed tags? |
| 21:24.53 | tensai | nm. I found it: <![CDATA[]]> |
| 21:25.27 | levi | <!#$@#%@@##{{{{[[{EMBED_XML_TAG_HERE}[{]]]{!@$!@%!@!@> |
| 22:00.36 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, camouflage takes being likened to DM as a great complement.. it's their favorite band :)... but I like the similar style, but definately, umm ,happier.. different |
| 22:19.07 | Jayce^ | lol... found a bittorrent for sco unixware ... there's one that won't use my bandwidth |
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