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| 14:42.46 | hans | he lives |
| 14:42.47 | Hanuman | Good Morning everyone |
| 14:43.09 | Hanuman | Power was out for 2 days - we're the lucky ones |
| 14:43.37 | Hanuman | It actually stayed on until the eye of the hurricane was just about over us |
| 14:45.52 | Hanuman | Cool - Red Hat's stock is at an all-time high of $10.24/share right now |
| 14:46.31 | Hanuman | A couple months ago it was at $5/share |
| 14:50.34 | hans | you'd better sell before SCO wins |
| 14:50.52 | hans | and buy stock in SCO while you're at it |
| 14:52.23 | Hanuman | I'm selling half today. But I'll buy again with what I gained when it goes back down. |
| 15:10.24 | Hanuman | hans: I've made your friend Christy jealous with my power being on |
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| 15:28.28 | hans | heh. she says they're saying thursday, if not a month |
| 15:30.19 | Hanuman | yeah - some people are really nervous around here about how long their power will be out |
| 15:31.12 | Hanuman | Not to mention we have to boil all our water before drinking |
| 15:32.51 | Hanuman | Word to the wise - keep water in your food storage. I never understood that until this hurricane hit. |
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| 15:47.28 | sjansen | There's an even more important reason to have some non-potable water: the toilet. |
| 15:47.45 | sjansen | After a severe storm in ND, my family was one of the few able to flush for a few days. |
| 15:48.36 | Hanuman | yup |
| 15:49.09 | Hanuman | One secret some don't know is that if you take a bucket of water and poor it into the toilet bowl, it flushes it for you |
| 15:49.38 | Hanuman | That's all they had to flush on my mission in Thailand |
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| 17:24.25 | sjansen | Apache documentation says that muliple VirtualHosts using SSL each require their own IP address. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 17:28.48 | Jayce^ | SSL certs require unique IP's.. |
| 17:33.51 | sjansen | I don't follow. I haven't seen that. |
| 17:35.33 | sjansen | Jayce^: I've been able to use certs on multiple servers. |
| 17:35.40 | Jayce^ | it's a requirement for the certs.. according to verisign or whoever.. |
| 17:36.08 | sjansen | All that seems to matter is the hostname, which does resolve to multiple IPs. |
| 17:52.15 | tensai | ssl certs contain the hostname. the certs are exchanged before apache knows which website they want. so for each ip it can only present one cert. |
| 17:54.24 | tensai | one hostname -> multiple IPs works fine. it's the one IP -> multiple hostnames that's the problem |
| 18:09.13 | Hanuman | I usually to save money buy one single-hostname cert, and have all of my hostnames pass different variables to it so I can use the single secure hostname to produce output for all of my websites. |
| 18:09.38 | Hanuman | you could do the same with a wildcard cert as well |
| 18:11.10 | Hanuman | If you pass sessionID's through your URL you could store those variables in the session |
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| 18:14.31 | Hanuman | I convinced a guy the other day that I'll probably do freelance work for that instead of having me setup a website that he's had written for him already on a Windows server, that it might save him money in licensing fees, etc. to just pay for my extra time to convert it to work with Linux and Apache |
| 18:16.00 | Hanuman | The site's already written in Perl on Windows - I just have to get rid of any ODBC calls, ActiveX, etc., setup PostGres or MySQL, Apache, and he's saved himself at least $2000 |
| 18:16.32 | Hanuman | compared to the $4-6000 he'd spend on MS Licensing for Windows, MS SQL Server, etc |
| 18:16.44 | Hanuman | now if I could just get my current employment to see that |
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| 18:28.21 | sjansen | tensai: Thanks. |
| 18:29.28 | sjansen | So I could probably accomplish the same thing using multiple ports? |
| 18:30.07 | sjansen | BTW, looks like I need to bone up on my HTTP. |
| 18:31.24 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 18:32.02 | Hanuman | yew |
| 18:32.04 | tensai | sjansen: yeah, you could |
| 18:32.20 | tensai | Hanuman: ash, hickory |
| 18:33.04 | Hanuman | tensai: farm, pig |
| 18:33.10 | Hanuman | mmm...sausage |
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| 18:42.54 | Hanuman | cavities? |
| 18:43.01 | hans | likely |
| 18:43.09 | Hanuman | I had to do that just 2 weeks ago. |
| 18:43.14 | hans | been a bit too long |
| 18:43.44 | hans | sjansen: that's exactly what's happening here |
| 18:44.08 | sjansen | I'm sure I'm going to have some major work. Stupid back teeth. |
| 18:44.13 | hans | now that we can afford it, my consciense went ahead and set up the appointment. (my wife) |
| 18:44.18 | Hanuman | I had to pay $100 for my cavity - and it was just a small one |
| 18:44.43 | Hanuman | That's with insurance |
| 18:48.13 | Jayce^ | dental insurance is a farce |
| 18:51.47 | Hanuman | I need to see if I can get a deal with my Stake President. He's a dentist. |
| 18:52.18 | Hanuman | I could just get my temple-recommend while he's cleaning my teeth then. ;-) |
| 18:52.51 | Hanuman | That would be an interesting interview. |
| 18:57.18 | Hanuman | Hey - where's the cheapest place to get a new Mac? |
| 18:57.32 | sjansen | Yeah, but think about the penalty for paying your bill late. |
| 18:57.37 | Hanuman | I'm thinking of saving for an ibook for Christmas |
| 18:57.40 | Hanuman | sjansen: lol |
| 19:23.05 | brailsmt_work | cheap and mac do not belong in the same sentence... |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt_work | unfortunately... |
| 19:23.54 | brailsmt_work | if mac hardware was roughly the same price as intel compat hardware, I would buy a mac in a heartbeat... |
| 19:23.59 | Hanuman | is there a single place that sells better deals than I can get online at apple.com? |
| 19:24.27 | brailsmt_work | as it stands i will still probably buy a mac next, but not for another year or more... |
| 19:24.39 | brailsmt_work | not until i can afford it... |
| 19:25.33 | brailsmt_work | the difference in price can be boiled down to a simple phrase... "competition is a good thing" |
| 19:25.49 | brailsmt_work | apple doesn't have price wars with AMD... :( |
| 19:27.52 | hans | the effects of competition are not all perfection, though |
| 19:28.11 | sjansen | As witnessed by my Dell laptop. |
| 19:28.15 | hans | competition cuts corners, and as such is often at odds with idealism |
| 19:28.33 | sjansen | hans: s/idealism/quality/ |
| 19:28.44 | brailsmt_work | yeah, but on the whole competition leads to better products at cheaper prices... |
| 19:28.48 | hans | which is one of apple's strengths. Alas along with idealism comes other less desirable traits (as manifest in Jobs very own personality) |
| 19:29.07 | brailsmt_work | jobs has a personality? |
| 19:29.16 | brailsmt_work | oh yeah... |
| 19:29.20 | hans | so while competition probably does usually give you the best quality per dollar, it does come at a price. |
| 19:29.28 | hans | but then so do all things (e.g. freedom) |
| 19:29.41 | Hanuman | so is there one place that will be cheaper than others to buy a Mac? |
| 19:29.44 | brailsmt_work | bill gates is the one with no personality... |
| 19:29.56 | brailsmt_work | Hanuman: i have no clue... |
| 19:30.28 | hans | Hanuman: ebay? ;-] |
| 19:30.47 | brailsmt_work | pricewatch.com? |
| 19:30.59 | brailsmt_work | i know nothing about local companies though... |
| 19:31.15 | brailsmt_work | i have driven by MadMac, that's all I know about them though... |
| 19:34.18 | brailsmt_work | intel v. apple would be competition enough if software companies made software for both, and/or more people used apple... |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | Hanuman: Do you have any connection to an educator? |
| 19:36.50 | sjansen | The best deal is usually through educator discounts. |
| 19:42.05 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah - a couple |
| 19:42.41 | Hanuman | I'll have to look into that |
| 19:42.47 | Hanuman | What about student discounts? |
| 19:43.05 | sjansen | Not sure. |
| 19:45.48 | levi | Yeah, that's my favored form of discount. :) |
| 19:49.28 | Hanuman | I need to try this centerICQ - very cool |
| 19:59.56 | Hanuman | Just found this - here's some good buying tips: |
| 19:59.57 | Hanuman | http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ |
| 20:00.19 | Hanuman | I also found out on that site that there is a student discount - you have to ask for it, though I think |
| 20:02.02 | Hanuman | Looks like Amazon seems to have the best prices |
| 20:15.55 | Jayce^ | what's the vim command for running the last regex command? |
| 20:16.15 | hans | Jayce^: what do you mean by regex command? |
| 20:16.18 | Jayce^ | ahh, command history, how I love thee |
| 20:16.23 | Jayce^ | :%s///g |
| 20:16.41 | hans | yeah, I was going to suggest :<up> ad nauseum |
| 20:20.27 | Jayce^ | ok, now what's the option (while in vim if possible) to turn off the mouse 'support' |
| 20:20.43 | Jayce^ | where it uses the mouse to do visual selections, etc.. |
| 20:21.00 | Jayce^ | won't let me copy & paste between sessions with that on.. ticking me off |
| 20:23.59 | brailsmt_work | Jayce^: in a term? |
| 20:25.03 | brailsmt_work | try ':set mouse=""' |
| 20:25.42 | brailsmt_work | :he mouse-using |
| 20:25.48 | Hanuman | hans: cygwin? |
| 20:26.15 | Hanuman | not quite sure how you'd run it off a CD, though |
| 20:26.31 | hans | Hanuman: you odn't need cygwin for openoffice |
| 20:26.48 | Hanuman | I know, but if you run the Linux version on Windows, it would be unobtrusive |
| 21:00.17 | Hanuman | well, time to go cya guys later |
| 21:00.46 | Hanuman | doh - didn't screen this |
| 21:00.55 | Hanuman | well, I'll have to quit then |
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| 22:42.10 | Jayce^ | ok, I thought I knew how to do this, but I have a location directive in apache, but a previous .htaccess seems to be messing it up.. how do I ignore directives from a .htaccess in a parent dir? |
| 22:43.48 | tensai | rm ../.htaccess :) |
| 22:44.07 | Jayce^ | heh.. I wish, but not my code area. |
| 22:44.24 | Jayce^ | I thought allowoverrides none was supposed to do it.. |
| 22:44.42 | tensai | allowoverrides is for children. I've never heard of doing it to a parent |