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| 13:53.14 | hans | 'Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro.' |
| 13:54.17 | hans | i would add that it's also important that the other letters are actually there. Having taken a speed reading course I can say this isn't a new concept - the whole key to speed reading is to see words, sentences, pages as patterns and to just understand them and not subvocalise them |
| 13:54.38 | hans | we're excellent pattern-recognizers and do great with fuzzy matches (which is what is going on above) |
| 13:55.22 | hans | 'wouthit porbelm' is subjective of course - I consider the slowdown a mild 'porbelm' |
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| 15:14.41 | Hanuman | hans: I loved that /. article |
| 15:14.55 | Hanuman | If only my English professors would accept that methodology |
| 15:15.41 | Hanuman | I just had one of our proof-editors (an English enthusiast) complain because I didn't put an apostraphe in her directory named "Gaylas Directory" |
| 15:16.20 | Hanuman | What everyone needs to realize is that the importance of a language isn't the writing or explanation of it, but the understanding of it |
| 15:16.41 | Hanuman | We all have the same understandings no matter what language we speak |
| 15:17.18 | Hanuman | So as long as we speak so we're understood, that's all that really matters |
| 15:17.38 | Hanuman | Only computer programmers could understand that, though - we're too technical about things |
| 15:23.05 | hans | don't get me wrong. I'm one of the worst language/spelling nazis you'll meet when I put forth the effort. :) |
| 15:24.14 | hans | the 'as long as the recipient understands' argument is fairly short-sighted, IMHO. |
| 15:24.34 | hans | Just look at the people in zarahemla vs. the nephites |
| 15:24.42 | Hanuman | I'm just coming up with excuses for mis-spellings and grammar |
| 15:26.54 | levi | Wow, I just visited our cluster build-up computer room. |
| 15:27.33 | levi | It's packed full of clusters that are being integrated. |
| 15:28.04 | levi | Including two very large dual-opteron clusters. |
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| 15:49.48 | Hanuman | very cool |
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| 15:55.46 | sjansen | If you haven't already seen it: |
| 15:55.49 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 16:07.01 | hans | peachy |
| 16:10.03 | levi | Oooooh, street legal Porsche 959. |
| 16:10.26 | levi | All the other headlines pale next to that one. ;) |
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| 16:33.41 | brailsmt_work | its just a car... ;) |
| 16:33.55 | brailsmt_work | though a really, really, really nice one |
| 16:38.24 | sjansen | You have to be careful how we do the push. Remember there are students |
| 16:38.25 | sjansen | and guests that bring there own computers to campus and forcing software |
| 16:38.25 | sjansen | to their computers my be a legal problem as well as a support nightmare. |
| 16:38.25 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.25 | sjansen | and request that we fix it. |
| 16:39.02 | sjansen | I'm sure we can just budget to supply a few chicken on demand. Of course, this will increase the risk of beaking their computers. |
| 16:46.44 | hans | did I miss something? |
| 16:46.47 | hans | what are you pushing? |
| 16:50.16 | hans | not your new porsche, I hope |
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| 16:56.59 | levi | You can push a new porsche 959 to me. |
| 17:15.44 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 17:18.12 | Hanuman | for once Billy is doing something good for the public |
| 17:18.21 | Hanuman | anyone on bugtraq? |
| 17:18.28 | emcnabb_ | yeah |
| 17:19.26 | Hanuman | looks like another ssh exploit - looks like /. has it listed too |
| 17:20.03 | Hanuman | man - I submitted the thin-air screens thing to /. 2 days ago and now they take someone else's submission when it's late news |
| 17:20.27 | levi | Hanuman: Slashdot hates you. |
| 17:20.31 | hans | rexml is pretty dang cool: puts root.elements["section/item[@stock='44']"].attributes["upc"] |
| 17:20.57 | Hanuman | they at least ought to give me extra points or something for submitting it first |
| 17:21.20 | hans | frist smbuit |
| 17:21.38 | Hanuman | Next thing you know they'll be submitting the story about the FBI's CIO stepping down (former LDS CIO) and not giving me credit |
| 17:22.00 | Hanuman | I was trying to submit it before someone made the church look bad |
| 17:22.09 | hans | i think roblimo lives to rob you of /. credit |
| 17:22.16 | Hanuman | I think so too |
| 17:22.23 | levi | Hey, if you've got all these cool stories, you should start your own blog. |
| 17:22.39 | hans | "man, it's that indain guy again..." |
| 17:22.45 | Hanuman | He let one through, but it was ask /. and was put on the less-popular pages |
| 17:22.51 | Hanuman | levi: I've thought of that |
| 17:23.09 | Hanuman | I often see stories that don't appear on /. until alot later |
| 17:40.24 | hans | ok, how do I install a patched ssh on mandrake? afaik urpmi is currently only configured to use the CDs (bec. I haven't bothered to figure anything else out) |
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| 17:45.43 | Hanuman | hans: good luck - I hated doing anything with the source on Mandrake |
| 17:46.44 | hans | maybe it will be easier to uninstall ssh and manually install it |
| 17:47.54 | tensai | hans: can you apt-get install debian? :) |
| 17:48.01 | hans | tensai: I wish. :) |
| 17:48.59 | brailsmt_work | where are the mdk zealots when you need them? |
| 17:49.27 | tensai | probably off with the python guys |
| 17:49.29 | brailsmt_work | mandrake is the best distro on earth, until you try another one... |
| 17:49.33 | brailsmt_work | :) |
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| 18:33.07 | Hanuman | hans: you can always switch to Red Hat - they have rpms available already ;-) |
| 18:34.10 | Hanuman | Of course we already came to the conclusion that both Debian and Redhat were better than Mandrake so my trying to start a distro-war is pointless. |
| 18:38.42 | neybar | hans, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ that will tell you how to setup urpmi sources |
| 18:39.22 | Beandog | Ive never had any success with Debian |
| 18:39.23 | neybar | once you get a source for updates, contrib and main do an urpmi.update -a |
| 18:39.40 | neybar | then urpmi --auto-select |
| 18:40.29 | neybar | if you haven't run an update in a while you will probably have alot of patching to do :-) |
| 18:46.13 | brailsmt_work | 'urpmi' sounds like bad manners... |
| 18:46.30 | neybar | :-P |
| 18:47.06 | brailsmt_work | and it felt like it when I had to use it... |
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| 18:51.19 | Beandog | hee hee |
| 18:51.48 | neybar | btw... who came to the conclusion that RH was better then Mandrake... :-P |
| 18:52.13 | Hanuman | I did |
| 18:52.20 | Hanuman | So did Hans |
| 18:52.34 | hans | neybar: not that that's saying much ;-) |
| 18:52.36 | brailsmt_work | i said this "mandrake is the best distro on earth, until you try another one..." |
| 18:52.40 | Hanuman | See that wasn't a question for us - the question is whether Red Hat is better than Debian |
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| 18:53.05 | Hanuman | Jayce^: welcome back! Haven't seen you in awhile |
| 18:53.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, in CA.. |
| 18:53.24 | Hanuman | figured you were on business |
| 18:53.29 | Jayce^ | and it's a pain usually to have this open on my laptop with everything else.. |
| 18:53.32 | neybar | The thing is that debian is in it's own class, it caters to the people who like to tinker |
| 18:53.42 | Hanuman | you can travel over here this week sometime and join me for the hurricane |
| 18:53.52 | neybar | yeah, that looks intense |
| 18:53.54 | brailsmt_work | neybar: gentoo caters to those that like to tinker... |
| 18:53.58 | brailsmt_work | much more so than debian... |
| 18:54.04 | neybar | I was there for Hugo, that was fun... |
| 18:54.14 | hans | debian caters to those who like to tinker _and_ get stuff done |
| 18:54.19 | Hanuman | That wasn't that much fun from what I hear |
| 18:54.20 | Jayce^ | actually, I've been in VA twice, both time caught the edge of hurricanes |
| 18:54.22 | brailsmt_work | whatever... |
| 18:54.30 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 18:54.35 | neybar | right, I was leaving out the source distros on purpose, that goes beyond tinkering to full on building your own engine etc. |
| 18:54.38 | Hanuman | Actually, they're now predicting by the time it hits Richmond it will only be a tropical storm, which is good |
| 18:54.59 | Hanuman | I've been in a cat 2 hurricane in Houston before - we were inland, so it wasn't bad at all |
| 18:55.22 | brailsmt_work | i've seen tornados before... |
| 18:55.24 | brailsmt_work | so there... |
| 18:55.27 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 18:55.34 | Hanuman | I saw 2 at the same time before - so there |
| 18:55.47 | Hanuman | Actually, they were cyclones - over the ocean |
| 18:55.54 | Hanuman | In Galveston |
| 18:56.07 | Jayce^ | only seen a tornado once, first time I went to tx got caught in the airport.. |
| 18:56.15 | neybar | for Hugo the whole town boarded up in anticipation of the damage. The main focus of the storm misses us to the north by 50 miles or so, so we just got a really stong storm |
| 18:56.18 | Jayce^ | had a double twister over the airport itself |
| 18:56.25 | brailsmt_work | i got picked up by a tornado when i was little... it dropped on my parent's lawn, which explains the lack of early childhhod pictures in my home... :) |
| 18:56.39 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 18:56.51 | Hanuman | that beats my experience |
| 18:57.01 | brailsmt_work | *psst* I have some ocean front property in Kansas too |
| 18:57.03 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 18:57.04 | Hanuman | luckily we were driving away from the tornadoes when I saw mine |
| 18:57.08 | Hanuman | brb - mtg |
| 18:57.24 | neybar | quick, where's the boss screen... |
| 18:57.25 | brailsmt_work | i've seen them pass overhead |
| 18:57.30 | brailsmt_work | lol |
| 18:57.36 | hans | i saw lots of tornados on the movie Twister |
| 18:57.42 | hans | and The Wizard of Oz |
| 18:58.29 | brailsmt_work | the best part about twisters is all the news coverage that they *still* give to the little overgrown dust devil that hit SLC a few years ago... |
| 18:59.04 | brailsmt_work | i think I will puke the next time KSL does an anniversary special on that tornado... |
| 18:59.09 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 18:59.24 | hans | ah dustdevils. I've seen lots of those |
| 18:59.25 | neybar | lol |
| 18:59.50 | brailsmt_work | i mean if that tornado had been any weaker it would not have even classified as a tornado... |
| 19:02.06 | brailsmt_work | you wanna see devastation... |
| 19:02.17 | brailsmt_work | anyone... |
| 19:02.26 | brailsmt_work | Utah weather is boring... |
| 19:03.38 | neybar | I agree |
| 19:04.22 | Jayce^ | nah, it's either very hot and dry, or a really really weak winter (that's all I've seen here) |
| 19:06.33 | brailsmt_work | it has always snowed more in KC, MO than it has here... |
| 19:06.49 | brailsmt_work | at least 'always' refering to the years that I am here in UT |
| 19:07.03 | brailsmt_work | 93-94, 97-present |
| 19:07.13 | brailsmt_work | s/97/96 |
| 19:08.20 | Jayce^ | 98-present for me.. everybody always told me about all the snow. |
| 19:08.49 | Jayce^ | I got as much at 50 ft above sea level on the coast back home as i have here.. |
| 19:10.15 | Jayce^ | dee - bee- ehn |
| 19:10.26 | neybar | heh |
| 19:11.20 | hans | Jayce^: that's the wrong pronunciation. :) |
| 19:13.52 | Jayce^ | I know.. |
| 19:13.58 | Jayce^ | that's why it annoys me.. |
| 19:14.18 | Jayce^ | here's a fun one... |
| 19:14.48 | Jayce^ | primer : primm-ehr prime -ehr which one? anybody else know? |
| 19:17.44 | brailsmt_work | prime -ehr |
| 19:18.21 | brailsmt_work | howabout "wash" not "warsh" |
| 19:18.35 | hans | and milk not melk |
| 19:18.46 | brailsmt_work | my ears fall off when i hear "Warshington D.C." |
| 19:19.29 | brailsmt_work | SFLC == syphillus, or ess eff ell cee? |
| 19:19.35 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 19:25.29 | Jayce^ | actually, the correct pronunciation depends on the usage |
| 19:26.37 | Jayce^ | a "primmm -ehr" is a tutorial, "prime-ehr" is the first coat of paint.. |
| 19:27.15 | Jayce^ | i'm from Washington state, and that is *NOT* our accent |
| 19:51.47 | hans | Jayce^: I don't belive you. prove it |
| 19:55.28 | Jayce^ | the accent, or the primer thing? |
| 19:56.15 | hans | primer |
| 19:56.24 | Jayce^ | look it up.. |
| 19:56.37 | Jayce^ | oxford, etc... |
| 19:56.51 | Jayce^ | we had a big discussion on it at a job a few years back... |
| 19:58.07 | hans | http://dict.die.net/primer/ |
| 19:59.26 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.26 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.26 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.34 | hans | pronounced Prim"er |
| 20:02.09 | Jayce^ | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=primer |
| 20:02.24 | Jayce^ | two pronunciations |
| 20:02.37 | hans | oxford says (prm(r), pram(r)) |
| 20:02.47 | hans | well, no, it says something funky that apparently won't cut & paste |
| 20:02.55 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:03.11 | brailsmt_work | dict primer -- all give the same pronunciation... |
| 20:03.30 | Jayce^ | dict.com shows two |
| 20:04.24 | brailsmt_work | well, dictd doesn't |
| 20:04.35 | Jayce^ | lol |
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| 20:11.01 | hans | OTOH, oed says advertisement must be pronounced with a short i, emphasis on ver |
| 20:11.21 | hans | and gives not the option to say it with the emphasis on ad and with a long i. |
| 20:11.40 | hans | (or perhaps the emphasis on the long i, secondary emphasis on the ad) |
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| 20:12.12 | hans | in Spanish, of course, primero is always pronounced, well, primero. |
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| 20:12.41 | Hanuman | did you guys get my "cache" thing with that Netsplit? |
| 20:13.05 | hans | no cache thing |
| 20:13.24 | Hanuman | okay - here's one - "cache" - cash or cash "ay"? |
| 20:13.29 | Hanuman | I have a professor who keeps pronouncing it "cashay" and it |
| 20:13.35 | Hanuman | drives me nuts |
| 20:13.41 | Hanuman | He's an old military guy |
| 20:14.45 | hans | http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00030860?query_type=word&queryword=cache&edition=2e&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=0CCg-DQk9Yi-5090&result_place=1 |
| 20:14.56 | hans | which may not work if it's relying on cookies or something. |
| 20:15.01 | hans | cache is pronounced cash |
| 20:15.33 | Hanuman | Yes, then why does the military pronounce it "cachay" |
| 20:15.49 | hans | it also used to be as in german tag |
| 20:16.04 | Hanuman | and that's the Oxford English dictionary - what about the american dictionaries? |
| 20:16.50 | hans | perhaps he's thinking of cachet |
| 20:17.01 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.11 | hans | that is pronounced cash-ay |
| 20:17.51 | Hanuman | yes, but I've heard numerous military personell call a stash of weapons a "cashay" |
| 20:18.28 | hans | i suspect they are wrong |
| 20:20.04 | hans | looks like a french word so they overexerted themselves in pronouncing it frenchly |
| 20:20.07 | brailsmt_work | anyone that might be interested in a cmd line music player would be interested in brailsmt.homelinux.org/clim |
| 20:20.47 | brailsmt_work | cachay is spelled 'cachet' |
| 20:20.53 | brailsmt_work | uhmm... |
| 20:21.14 | brailsmt_work | i mean 'cashay' is spelled 'cachet' |
| 20:24.16 | Hanuman | sow 'cashay' iz spellt 'cachet'? |
| 20:24.41 | brailsmt_work | yez |
| 20:24.46 | brailsmt_work | eet iz |
| 20:33.50 | Hanuman | hans: you figure out how to upgrade Mandrake? |
| 20:34.02 | Hanuman | They just issued instructions on bugtraq |
| 20:56.47 | Hanuman | cya guys later... |
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| 22:58.07 | hans | Jayce^: don't you have remote editing in vim working, so poor Ross doesn't have to succumb to the emacs crowd? |
| 22:58.25 | Bradipo | Anyone know the MIME type for an ISO image? |
| 23:09.45 | Jayce^ | Hans? |
| 23:09.53 | hans | Jayce^. |
| 23:10.58 | Jayce^ | what question? |
| 23:11.27 | hans | on uug, "the evils of FTP" |
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| 23:12.48 | Jayce^ | ah, gotta catch up on that one.. |
| 23:16.11 | Jayce^ | ok, I know the help for the net stuff talks about a file that you have to store your info in |
| 23:21.26 | tensai | Bradipo: 'file -i foo.iso' reports application/octet-stream |
| 23:21.57 | hans | http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html |
| 23:22.03 | hans | orson scott card on the RIAA. very good. |
| 23:26.52 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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