| 00:00.16 | hans_ | i'm confused, but happy. I went to try it again and it just worked. shrug |
| 00:00.36 | Jayce^ | the voodoo? |
| 00:00.40 | hans_ | yeah |
| 00:00.46 | Jayce^ | need I say it :) |
| 00:00.54 | Jayce^ | It's voodoo dude :D |
| 00:00.54 | hans_ | accelerated and everything. |
| 00:01.02 | Jayce^ | this on your new board? |
| 00:01.05 | hans_ | yeah |
| 00:01.15 | Jayce^ | you must be loving it :) |
| 00:01.31 | Jayce^ | how many mb is that card? 8 ? |
| 00:04.15 | Jayce^ | so is everybody coming to Plug tomorrow? |
| 00:04.26 | levi | Nope. :) |
| 00:04.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, but we never count on you levi :D |
| 00:04.53 | Jayce^ | levi, I tell you my brother got a miata the other day? |
| 00:05.14 | Jayce^ | was kinda fun to drive a small, rear-wheel drive car again.. |
| 00:06.28 | levi | Ooh, sweet. |
| 00:06.31 | levi | What year? |
| 00:07.22 | Jayce^ | 95 I believe.. |
| 00:07.35 | Jayce^ | maybe 96 |
| 00:07.44 | Jayce^ | white |
| 00:08.01 | Jayce^ | soft top |
| 00:09.13 | levi | Sweet. Did you drive it up a canyon? |
| 00:10.39 | Jayce^ | I haven't yet... going to though |
| 00:10.58 | Jayce^ | been driving AWD cars or trucks so much that it felt really wierd.. |
| 00:13.55 | levi | Heh, yeah. You'll get used to it quick, though. Drive it up to Sundance and over the Alpine loop. That'll put a grin on your face. |
| 00:14.01 | levi | I gotta go... talk to you later! |
| 00:14.09 | Jayce^ | later |
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| 03:43.51 | flyboy^ | Anyone awake/alive? |
| 03:46.35 | emcnabb_ | somewhat |
| 03:50.40 | Bradipo | Lurking... |
| 03:53.05 | Jayce^ | a bit |
| 04:19.16 | hans_ | flyboy^: are you the same cheater on bzflag xmission? |
| 04:19.18 | hans_ | hope not. gnight |
| 04:21.53 | flyboy^ | Well, I'm not a cheater at all. |
| 04:22.00 | flyboy^ | What's bzflag? Anyone know? |
| 04:22.11 | Bradipo | bzflag is a 3D tank game. |
| 04:22.17 | Bradipo | Pretty fun if you have a good video card. |
| 04:22.18 | flyboy^ | Oh. |
| 04:22.25 | flyboy^ | I don't. |
| 04:22.50 | flyboy^ | I've been starting to get into geocaching. I know a lot of folks aound here do that sorta thing. |
| 04:23.15 | flyboy^ | Can anyone suggest some good caches they consider "don't miss?" |
| 04:25.22 | Bradipo | Cool, another geocacher. |
| 04:25.34 | Bradipo | I would recommend Hobble up Hobble Creek. |
| 04:25.49 | flyboy^ | Bradipo: Do most utah guys use geocaching.com? |
| 04:26.01 | Bradipo | I use that one primarily. |
| 04:26.28 | flyboy^ | What's the page for Hobble up Hobble Creek? |
| 04:27.12 | Bradipo | http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=37903 |
| 04:28.19 | flyboy^ | Bradipo: How do you normally handle waypoints? |
| 04:28.34 | Bradipo | What do you mean? |
| 04:28.38 | flyboy^ | Well.... |
| 04:28.54 | flyboy^ | Since I'm just starting there are dozens I want to visit. |
| 04:29.12 | flyboy^ | Do you just do a few at a time, or do people generally make a whole days work out of it? |
| 04:29.15 | Bradipo | There is software available that you can use to upload waypoints in batches. |
| 04:29.24 | Bradipo | I only dew a few at a time. |
| 04:29.54 | flyboy^ | Another thing is - often times there is additional information on the geocacheing.com page. |
| 04:30.07 | flyboy^ | Like coordinates for parking lots and so forth. |
| 04:30.17 | flyboy^ | Do you print this information out and carry it with you? |
| 04:30.49 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 04:30.55 | Bradipo | I usually print out the printable version. |
| 04:31.44 | flyboy^ | So when you go out, you take 5-6 or whatever with you? |
| 04:34.30 | flyboy^ | That's pretty kewl that a guy in a helicopter flew to your cache. |
| 04:34.36 | flyboy^ | Just amazing. |
| 04:35.46 | Bradipo | Yeah, that was definitely a different way to do it. |
| 04:35.59 | Bradipo | Usually I only take about 2--3 though. |
| 04:36.22 | flyboy^ | Do you mostly do out of the way ones, or urban type ones? |
| 04:36.34 | Bradipo | Depends on the vehicle I have available. |
| 04:40.28 | flyboy^ | Bradipo: What software do you recommend? |
| 04:42.32 | Bradipo | I suppose that depends on your GPS. |
| 04:42.40 | Bradipo | But there are a lot of free ones on freshmeat.net |
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| 13:28.42 | Hanuman | Good morning all |
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| 14:05.07 | elg | I hope the media eats into this RIAA suing people as a nice juicy "coporation vs. the people" |
| 14:05.35 | elg | I don't think they can possibly resist. we're already seeing articles about it. |
| 14:13.56 | elg | news media is a fickle friend |
| 14:16.48 | Hanuman | I think twice before buying CDs now, that's for sure |
| 14:17.02 | Hanuman | and I was a CD buyer, not much of an mp3 downloader |
| 14:17.16 | Hanuman | (used to DJ church dances) |
| 14:17.44 | Hanuman | I absolutely can't believe the case against the 12-year old girl and her single mother |
| 14:19.47 | Hanuman | There was actually a time when I used to buy 4 or 5 cds a week |
| 14:20.25 | Hanuman | Maybe I'll go to buying used CDs so the recording industry still doesn't get my money |
| 14:21.06 | Hanuman | That and artists that offer mp3s for direct buy off of their own websites or through their own labels (that aren't affiliated w/ the RIAA) |
| 14:22.44 | Hanuman | The thing that is being missed here is that this isn't about people stealing mp3s - it's about people protesting against the high prices of the major recording companies. |
| 14:22.48 | Hanuman | That story is never told |
| 14:23.54 | Hanuman | Maybe if that story were the focus, people would stop downloading mp3s for free and start buying cds because the recording labels would be forced to bring prices down |
| 14:53.18 | elg | Hanuman: I agree. I never really got all that worked up about it to the point that I wouldn't buy a CD I really like (not that I buy many: too expensive) |
| 14:53.50 | elg | but this is ridiculous. I am definitely boycotting the RIAA for the forseeable future. (thanks to used music stores I can still get my fix) |
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| 15:07.47 | Hanuman | I wonder if we proposed a boycott for 3 months on slashdot (who most viewers are notorious for mp3 downloads) how big of an impact that would make on the RIAA. |
| 15:09.05 | Hanuman | If it were successful, it would at least make a point that mp3 downloaders are their main CD buyers as well, and to target them will lose them business |
| 15:16.16 | elg | i'm afraid I wouldn't help much. haven't bought a CD in the past three months and I wasn't even boycottings |
| 15:22.39 | neybar | wow, I just saw a banner ad for the BSA. The ad wants you to report your company if you think they may be pirating. |
| 15:24.09 | neybar | naw... the soviets love pirates... :-) |
| 15:25.11 | neybar | I'm fairly sure that the ad rotates but I found it here. http://www.tomshardware.com/network/20030904/index.html |
| 15:25.11 | elg | not pirating so much as the whole approach. when the revolution happened people were encouraged to turn others in if they were doing something 'unfair' |
| 15:25.36 | neybar | I know, I was being silly |
| 15:26.27 | tensai | did you guys read the story on /. recently about the BSA and the guitar company? good read |
| 15:26.34 | elg | i think the boss looks better as a pirate, personally. :) |
| 15:26.35 | neybar | yes |
| 15:26.40 | neybar | lol |
| 15:27.03 | elg | that's a funny headline, btw: "ProblemSolver: WinXP's IPsec client really can work." |
| 15:27.20 | neybar | I know, morbid curiousity. |
| 15:29.23 | Hanuman | well, just submitted my proposal for a boycott - we'll see if they think it's worth posting or not |
| 15:37.16 | Hanuman | nope - they didn't like it - rejected |
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| 17:30.06 | Hanuman | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=581&e=1&u=/nm/20030910/tc_nm/column_pluggedin_dc |
| 17:30.19 | Hanuman | This is cool - displays out of thin air |
| 17:30.28 | Hanuman | (think R2-D2) |
| 17:39.00 | Jayce^ | hehe... from the /. article on gnome 2.4. |
| 17:39.02 | Jayce^ | Is there a new file dialog box or is it still trying to emulate the one found in Windows 1.0? |
| 17:39.03 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.22 | Jayce^ | and that got modded as flamebait.... :) I actually really agree with it |
| 17:40.48 | Hanuman | I was chatting with Steve about how the problem with the Linux desktop is it just hasn't quite learned from Windows yet (note - I said desktop, not server). |
| 17:40.59 | Jayce^ | tensai, wow, I had forgotten about verbose mode on identify... |
| 17:41.24 | Hanuman | Windows has an extremely easy to use interface, yet allows the ability for someone who knows how to get into it and modify it how they like it to be. |
| 17:41.51 | Hanuman | I'm not saying Linux should look like Windows, but it ought to follow that same philosophy to get into the mainstream desktop market |
| 17:41.57 | Jayce^ | sure doesn't let me modify it the way *I* want it to be.. |
| 17:42.12 | Hanuman | How is that? |
| 17:42.12 | neybar | "you have unused icons on your desktop"... /me "go away!" |
| 17:42.31 | Hanuman | I think you can get rid of that through regedits |
| 17:42.39 | Jayce^ | I like having my virtual desktops for one :) |
| 17:42.51 | Jayce^ | and different backgrounds on each :) |
| 17:42.52 | elg | o yeah, regedits now there's the epitomy of usability |
| 17:43.05 | Hanuman | That is one thing not embedded in Windows, but there are programs that will allow it |
| 17:43.16 | Jayce^ | oh, and a taskbar (yeah, I do have one of those on this box) that doesn't span the full screen.. |
| 17:43.30 | Jayce^ | actually, it only sits on part of one monitor, not the other.. |
| 17:43.55 | Jayce^ | oh, and a separate 'taskbar' like they have.. my app bar and task bars are different.. |
| 17:44.05 | Hanuman | I'm just saying that same concept ought to be implemented into Linux - they don't have to do it the same way |
| 17:44.36 | Hanuman | I agree with all your comments |
| 17:44.42 | Jayce^ | I think KDE has provided most of that, but still allows for plenty of customization... |
| 17:45.17 | Hanuman | Linux has many features it can add to that concept that I think if done right can make it ab etter desktop OS than Windows |
| 17:45.46 | Hanuman | But so far what I've seen is either too geek-like, allowing too-much customization visible to the user, or no customization allowed at all |
| 17:46.40 | Hanuman | I'm just commenting on the new Gnome - haven't used it yet, but I hear it is much less configurable than previous versions |
| 17:47.00 | Jayce^ | sounds like gnome, I think they've really cut out way too much in the last versions.. |
| 17:47.07 | neybar | I can't comment on Gnome, but KDE is very nice |
| 17:47.54 | Hanuman | I used to really like gnome, but if it is now what I hear it is, I may just switch to KDE |
| 17:48.15 | Hanuman | I do think KDE presents too much to the user, though (from first install) |
| 17:48.29 | Jayce^ | yeah Hanuman, I remember we used to both do the e/gnome combo |
| 17:48.57 | Jayce^ | I don't think so, on kde. Especially most distro's today show a front that looks incredibly familiar to a windows user... |
| 17:49.08 | Jayce^ | of course I have to immediately remedy that if I'm using it.. |
| 17:49.19 | Hanuman | I guess I can't vouch too much - I haven't used KDE in over a year |
| 17:49.50 | Jayce^ | wow, I wonder how many of us will respond with 'identify' to jeff's email :) |
| 17:49.51 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I wish I knew about just plain Enlightenment at that time |
| 17:51.00 | neybar | at least 4... |
| 17:51.44 | Jayce^ | mine still hasn't come through. |
| 17:51.53 | neybar | I have it |
| 17:52.47 | Jayce^ | k, should fetchmail any second then :) |
| 17:52.54 | Hanuman | I got 5 |
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| 17:57.15 | Hanuman | that makes 6 |
| 17:57.53 | Jayce^ | at least he won't have trouble knwoing what the group recommends :D |
| 17:58.13 | neybar | anyone know of a good way to split up a binary into smaller files? I have tarball that is 1G and I want to put it on two CD's. I tried playing with tars splitting capabilities, but it will split exactly where I set the file size (650M) even if it is mid file. |
| 17:58.57 | Bradipo | split |
| 17:59.21 | elg | won't that do the same thing? |
| 18:18.38 | Hanuman | neybar: how much perl do you know? |
| 18:18.59 | Hanuman | You could probably do it with the read command in binary mode |
| 18:19.01 | neybar | I feel pretty comfortable in it |
| 18:20.14 | neybar | lol, I took an easier (and dark) way to solve my problem... I copied the dir to a windows box and used winzip on it. Horrible I know :-) |
| 18:20.41 | Hanuman | I wonder if gzip or regular zip on Linux does the same thing |
| 18:20.57 | neybar | I haven't found it if it does |
| 18:21.10 | elg | neybar: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:21.46 | neybar | I want a large dir (1.5 gigs) saved to a CD. |
| 18:21.55 | neybar | cds I should say |
| 18:22.55 | elg | and you apparently don't want to just span CDs, but have each CD be useful on its own accord |
| 18:23.03 | neybar | yes |
| 18:23.42 | elg | how did winzip help? or did you extend the definition of useful to include "insert the last CD in the archive..."? |
| 18:24.18 | neybar | no, winzip will take a zip file and split it into different files, but it won't chop up files inside of the zip |
| 18:25.33 | elg | different independent zip files? or the 'span disks' type of zip file? |
| 18:25.42 | neybar | independant zip files |
| 18:25.48 | elg | ahh |
| 18:26.02 | Hanuman | Linux needs a utility to make iso's based on a designated max capacity |
| 18:26.10 | Hanuman | for purposes like this |
| 18:26.44 | Hanuman | ie "isomake /usr/mydir/* 650" |
| 18:27.19 | neybar | the thing is that I would be very surprised that there isn't already a tool that does this, it is just finding it. There are so many cool tools in *nix, and 90% of them you find by experience |
| 18:27.57 | Hanuman | yeah - let me know if you hear of one - I've wanted to do the same thing plenty of times |
| 18:28.09 | elg | neybar: is compression important? |
| 18:28.16 | neybar | not really |
| 18:28.40 | elg | so making it an archive isn't really either. probably a bonus if you have it just as a filesystm on the cd, eh? |
| 18:29.11 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, I think there is, because some of the apps have that option.. |
| 18:29.24 | Jayce^ | no clue what the tool is, but I've seen that. |
| 18:30.24 | neybar | it is irrelevent in this particular case, I just want it archived off my computer. I probably won't ever use it on the cd, but I also don't want to have to try and reverse engineer what ever magic I have to do to get it onto the cds next time I want it. Might be years. |
| 18:30.40 | Hanuman | That's a feature very expensive in Windows, because all the CD-burning apps that have that feature all cost a ton of money |
| 18:34.39 | elg | a script to make an iso using mkisofs that's under a certain size would be cake |
| 18:34.56 | elg | and multiple ISOs, whatever it takes |
| 18:35.05 | elg | throw compression in, and it's harder |
| 18:36.10 | Hanuman | That's true |
| 18:36.32 | Hanuman | mkisofs doesn't have that option itself does it? |
| 18:36.47 | elg | nope |
| 18:38.25 | elg | it wouldn't be too bad with tar/bzip2 if you did files one at a time and checked the size after (one file look-ahead, if you will) |
| 18:38.45 | elg | but I don't know how much overhead that would introduce. (scan the tar for every file!) |
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| 18:42.53 | jayce_ | that was just a little freaky.. |
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| 18:43.28 | Jayce^ | my stereo went all staticy, and my box hard locked |
| 18:43.37 | Jayce^ | wouldn't even respond to pings |
| 18:44.12 | neybar | 107.5 is praticing their "take over the world" song? |
| 18:44.33 | Jayce^ | wow, I really want to go to that concert (inland invasion) |
| 18:44.50 | neybar | me too |
| 18:49.11 | elg | http://radio.pureobscure.com/default.asp |
| 19:01.19 | Jayce^ | http://www.thecure.com/news.html |
| 19:01.26 | Jayce^ | that is a seriously good concert lineup |
| 19:02.30 | Hanuman | ahh..107.5 - haven't heard that for awhile |
| 19:14.15 | Jayce^ | elg, funny thing is I think I have quite a bit more rare tracks than this guy in several areas :) |
| 19:17.47 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I'll pick up the key ;-) |
| 19:18.06 | Hanuman | since I live so close to the CEDO building |
| 19:18.24 | Hanuman | ouch! |
| 19:19.03 | Hanuman | I remember working two buildings down from that building - ahh the days... |
| 19:19.09 | Hanuman | And the 7-11 runs |
| 19:20.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, I've worked in that building a few times now (just using space, contracting, and with IDI) all three floors even |
| 19:20.17 | Hanuman | Did I tell you someone contacted me from finding my resume on google and wants me to freelance for them? |
| 19:20.48 | Jayce^ | yeha, interesting.. |
| 19:21.04 | Hanuman | I'm now working on making my resume more visible in other areas on google |
| 19:21.21 | Hanuman | what other jobs did you work in that building? |
| 19:21.44 | Jayce^ | did some work for encenta, and infogenix was there for a while. |
| 19:23.46 | Hanuman | that's right - I kind of remember that infogenix took that spot |
| 19:29.37 | emcnabb__ | Jayce^, I'll be at the meeting tonight |
| 19:31.05 | Jayce^ | any way I can get you to pick up a key for me?? |
| 19:34.10 | emcnabb__ | I actually have class in a little bit (I'm up on campus) |
| 19:34.19 | emcnabb__ | what time do their offices close? |
| 19:35.21 | Jayce^ | 5 |
| 19:35.35 | Jayce^ | sometimes 4:30 if they don't know of anyone coming by.. |
| 19:35.36 | emcnabb__ | that's when I get out of class (well, 4:50) |
| 19:35.40 | emcnabb__ | dang |
| 19:35.50 | Jayce^ | although if you can't, sometimes I can get them to hide the key for me.. guess I'll try that.. |
| 19:47.41 | tensai | ouch. "you're layed off, but before you go...". I thought a "tar cf /dev/null" would be appropriate. |
| 19:52.11 | Jayce^ | uhhhh... |
| 19:52.17 | Jayce^ | you get laid off tensai? |
| 19:53.11 | tensai | yup |
| 19:53.18 | Bradipo | From where? |
| 19:53.20 | elg | ouch |
| 19:53.22 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 19:54.01 | tensai | Novell, last year. It's okay. I got to move to Oregon |
| 19:54.31 | Jayce^ | oh, I thought you got laid of just now.. |
| 19:54.41 | Bradipo | Oregon would be nice. |
| 19:54.48 | tensai | oh, no. somebody on the mailing list just did |
| 19:55.18 | elg | do you need more attention tensai? ;-) |
| 19:55.22 | Jayce^ | plug turns 7 today! |
| 19:55.28 | Jayce^ | gotta bring food for tonight.. |
| 19:55.39 | elg | sweet |
| 19:55.41 | emcnabb__ | elg, have you finished your HW yet for 465? |
| 19:55.43 | tensai | elg: desperately :) |
| 19:55.56 | elg | emcnabb__: nope. but I've read and looked at it. |
| 19:56.14 | elg | figure I'll start about 3, and use flightgear as a motivator. |
| 19:56.32 | tensai | Bradipo: Oregon is nice. come and visit. |
| 19:57.12 | emcnabb__ | elg, I'm working on it right now |
| 19:57.19 | Jayce^ | tensai, what part of oregon? |
| 19:58.12 | tensai | south western. it's salmon season |
| 19:58.21 | elg | mmmm salmon |
| 19:58.36 | Jayce^ | how south west? city name? |
| 19:58.43 | tensai | Grants Pass |
| 19:58.54 | Jayce^ | k |
| 19:59.00 | tensai | 1 1/2 from california and the coast |
| 19:59.04 | Bradipo | How's the business up there? |
| 19:59.22 | Jayce^ | I love the Pac northwest... grew up there, wish I could be back |
| 19:59.25 | tensai | what type of business? |
| 19:59.55 | Jayce^ | there is stuff other than logging and fishing up there :D |
| 20:00.43 | tensai | Jayce^: yeah, and Democrats :) |
| 20:00.55 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, forgot about that.. |
| 20:05.27 | Bradipo | Well, computer industry. |
| 20:07.54 | tensai | Bradipo: there's not a ton of computer stuff in the area. more up toward Portland. doing about as well as any place I guess. I was lucky to find one that is doing well. |
| 20:10.35 | neybar | you would think that people would proofread want ads before submitting them. |
| 20:11.02 | neybar | it is kind of surprising how bad many of these ads are. |
| 20:11.11 | Bradipo | I would stay out of Portland area... |
| 20:11.26 | Bradipo | I'm thinking of somewhere that I could startup a small ISP or something. |
| 20:11.40 | Bradipo | My brother lives out in Haines (Baker) area. |
| 20:14.13 | tensai | I know jack squat about business so I can't make any recommendations. starting an ISP would be fun though |
| 20:15.14 | tensai | a wireless ISP might fly. there's tons of 802.11 users around here. |
| 20:17.47 | Hanuman | I've heard of alot of people that have had problems running an ISP. Ask Mike Handy about his experiences at Eaglenet. |
| 20:18.31 | Hanuman | I've heard main problems are support issues - that and larger companies taking away the business |
| 20:32.24 | elg | say I'm logged into my home machine and want to pop up a window for my wife, but can't because can't open display |
| 20:32.34 | elg | (when I set DISPLAY=0:0) |
| 20:32.44 | elg | what do I use? xauth? anyone know the syntax? |
| 20:39.13 | levi | I just do 'xhost +' |
| 20:39.30 | elg | xauth merge .Xauthority worked too |
| 20:39.32 | levi | Then anyone can open a window on your box, but I don't care about that. |
| 20:39.44 | elg | levi: or run blackhole. ;-) |
| 20:39.49 | levi | elg: That's the proper, safe way to do it. ;) |
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| 21:02.36 | Jayce^ | cool, the key is covered.. |
| 21:04.16 | elg | Jayce^: does that mean it's under the mat? |
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| 21:04.58 | Jayce^ | yup :) |
| 21:05.09 | Jayce^ | gotta love cedo's security policies sometimes.. |
| 21:05.27 | neybar | lol |
| 21:06.02 | elg | 'covered' being the operative word, then. :) |
| 21:06.21 | Jayce^ | I'm glad you noticed elg :) was talking in code .. |
| 21:06.25 | Jayce^ | pun code.. |
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| 23:46.32 | emcnabb__ | Jayce^, did you get the key? |