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| 07:18.58 | michael_1 | i booted to winxp and it hosed my entire disk drive... |
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| 13:27.45 | Hanuman_ | good morning all |
| 13:29.09 | elg | howdy |
| 13:29.33 | elg | my fingers burn |
| 13:30.33 | elg | I was roasting, peeling, and chopping chiles last night. I should have worn gloves. doh! |
| 13:31.42 | elg | ooh, cool, I just got an email from Harrison Ford |
| 13:32.26 | elg | oh wait, spam. gee I was so fooled. These spammers are so smart. |
| 13:32.52 | elg | ibot, sarcasm? |
| 13:32.52 | | rumour has it, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit |
| 13:32.52 | Hanuman_ | did it get through your spam filter? |
| 13:33.07 | elg | Hanuman_: nope - in the spam box |
| 13:33.18 | Hanuman | cool |
| 13:33.38 | Hanuman | I've got to setup IMAP first, though |
| 13:33.56 | elg | I vgrep the titles/senders to make sure there are no false positives. I get a couple when I do online ordering and stuff. Of course retraining a single message from the vendor prevents future false positives. |
| 13:34.41 | Hanuman | what's an example of that? |
| 13:35.10 | Hanuman | dang it - ufies is down |
| 14:00.52 | elg | the order I placed at newegg yesterday - first confirmation was spamboxed. I retrained that message and all other newegg emails went to my inbox. Same thing happened recently with a textbook I bought from half.com |
| 14:01.13 | elg | but I rarely do any shopping online so it had no reason to think otherwise. |
| 14:42.42 | Hanuman | elg: so basically all you're doing is whitelisting |
| 14:44.00 | elg | Hanuman: well, I'm just guessing at the effect - I imagine the words 'newegg' and 'half.com' or 'ebay' are carrying the weight to keep it from being tagged spam, since so much spam has the other words likely to be in these emails, like 'order', 'confirm', etc. |
| 14:44.46 | elg | but it's more complex than that. my bayesian filter 'just knows', and it learns quick. If I were to start doing more online ordering it would probably get it right even if I order from a new site. |
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| 15:18.52 | Bradipo | Moin. |
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| 16:28.42 | Jayce^ | http://www.komotv.com/stories/27000.htm |
| 16:28.53 | Jayce^ | lol, that's from the station in seattle even |
| 16:31.25 | Hanuman_ | I get a new one every week - it's getting annoying |
| 17:13.35 | Hanuman | Windows networks are the worst networks to administer for a sysadmin |
| 17:13.59 | jalance_ | seriously |
| 17:16.41 | Bradipo | Seriously. |
| 17:17.02 | Bradipo | Indeed just yesterday two new vulnerabilities in MS Office were identified. |
| 17:17.26 | Bradipo | Now every desktop must be upgraded or risk some kind of a macro virus, or VB virus. |
| 17:17.50 | Jayce^ | 4 including the ones from today |
| 17:18.04 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 17:18.23 | Jayce^ | including a 'critical' in vb for applications (so, *everything*).. |
| 17:18.31 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 17:19.26 | neybar | too bad the ultimate patch isn't acceptable in most situations... |
| 17:20.39 | Hanuman | yeah, and that patch isn't easy to find through M$ either |
| 17:20.53 | neybar | lol |
| 17:20.59 | Hanuman | I found a program that will update all the machines on your network for you, but they want bookoo bucks for it |
| 17:21.24 | Hanuman | I have no idea why a small business like this with limited budget would choose M$ as their OS |
| 17:22.04 | neybar | cause it is easier to reboot a machine then it is to learn how to actually use it |
| 17:22.17 | michael_1 | Hanuman: the perception that for software to be successful it must be written/run on windows |
| 17:22.26 | Hanuman | It's funny - they chose Microsoft, but any request I make to buy software to maintain the network they deny |
| 17:22.48 | Hanuman | not too mention the lack of licenses that I'm trying to get approved |
| 17:22.52 | neybar | vnc was definately my friend at my last job. |
| 17:22.58 | Hanuman | (you didn't hear that from me, though) |
| 17:23.56 | Hanuman | neybar: I definitely need to install vnc on everyones' machines here. I've got it on mine, but it would be nice to remotely access everyones' machine in the evenings and update their computers for them. |
| 17:24.32 | Hanuman | The problem with these office exploits is that they all require the office cd to update the computer, so you actually have to physically be at every machine to install them |
| 17:24.51 | Hanuman | now - that's a security flaw in and of itself if you ask me |
| 17:24.52 | neybar | d'oh |
| 17:25.30 | Hanuman | I think on this one I'm mainly going to rely on Norton Antivirus on our e-mail server to filter out the bad attachments |
| 17:25.30 | neybar | busy work = productivity right? |
| 17:25.52 | Hanuman | yeah, right |
| 17:25.57 | neybar | what is your mail server? |
| 17:26.16 | Hanuman | Unfortuneately (hold your breath), Exchange |
| 17:26.36 | neybar | just curious |
| 17:26.47 | Hanuman | I'd like to sometime setup at least an SMTP proxy on Linux that can do most of the handling of our mail |
| 17:26.53 | Hanuman | That would be just the start |
| 17:27.51 | neybar | I can't remember who it was, maybe someone on this list has a sendmail (or exim whatever) server that actually handles the email then just forwards it to an exchange server. |
| 17:28.10 | Hanuman | Most of the employees here aren't even using the Exchange features that you would use Exchange for, so I don't even know why we're using it |
| 17:28.17 | neybar | that way you don't have an exchange server on the front line, but the phb's still see the pretty exchange server. |
| 17:28.24 | Jayce^ | about has been doing that.. |
| 17:28.50 | Hanuman | neybar: That's what I'm talking about as an SMTP proxy |
| 17:29.05 | Hanuman | I'd like to get rid of Exchange all together sometime |
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| 17:29.45 | Jayce^ | sjansen must have just rebooted after applying his microsoft patches.. :D |
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| 17:30.00 | Hanuman | As soon as I get time and get IMAP setup at home I'm going to try some of these opengroupware suites and see how they compare to Exchange |
| 17:30.01 | neybar | work up the numbers, licenses, time to manage etc vs a sendmail setup. if your bosses are slightly logical they may go for it... maybe lol |
| 17:30.30 | Hanuman | neybar: I've tried that - they don't care. They're point is if it's not broken, don't fix it |
| 17:30.35 | neybar | although, I haven't noticed that many bosses have much to do with logic. |
| 17:30.41 | Hanuman | What they don't realize is that it already IS broken |
| 17:31.04 | Hanuman | Also, they say I have too many more 'important' things to do with my time |
| 17:31.14 | neybar | like patch office? |
| 17:31.22 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 17:33.02 | Hanuman | If I can keep the fault off of me and just let some of these vulnerabilities through because I'm spending time in other areas, I'm hoping they get fed up enough that they want something done about it |
| 17:33.14 | neybar | good luck |
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| 17:33.34 | Hanuman | yeah - I need a lot of it. I don't think it's going to happen in my situation |
| 17:33.55 | Jayce^ | gahhhh... why is it kids know exactly which button is the power button |
| 17:34.22 | Hanuman | My son does the same thing - I think it's instinct |
| 17:34.23 | Bradipo | My power button is unplugged from the mobo. |
| 17:34.32 | Bradipo | And it takes 7 seconds to use the reset. |
| 17:34.34 | Hanuman | Bradipo: that is an excellent idea |
| 17:34.38 | Bradipo | Or maybe its the other way around. |
| 17:35.04 | Hanuman | That and the power to the TV |
| 17:35.52 | neybar | how do you turn it on then? |
| 17:36.02 | sjansen | Jayce^: Lookup the term "molly toggle" or something like that. |
| 17:37.21 | Hanuman | no - I mean my son always knows how to find the power on the TV for some reason |
| 17:37.35 | sjansen | Ah, here it is: http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~gjm11/jargon/jargM.html#molly-guard |
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| 17:38.53 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you just need to add a molly guard to your case-mod |
| 17:39.24 | neybar | I am going to be in trouble in about six months... all my computers are on the ground. |
| 17:39.47 | Hanuman | oh yeah you will |
| 17:40.33 | Jayce^ | hrmm, so I finally restarted with my new mouse settings then.. I dont' like the buttons now.. gotta switch them around some.. |
| 17:41.56 | Hanuman | You should set the middle button to switch between screens in KDE |
| 17:42.32 | Jayce^ | nah, got keyboard setting for that.. |
| 17:42.41 | Jayce^ | use those more. |
| 17:42.47 | Hanuman | Yeah, but now you can do it with your mouse |
| 17:43.01 | Jayce^ | got a pager that does it too.. |
| 17:43.11 | Jayce^ | I copied another guys mx700 settings, but I dont' really like them |
| 17:43.30 | Hanuman | what do each of the buttons do? |
| 17:47.57 | Jayce^ | basically all the same thing, like I have 3 scrollers right now |
| 17:48.17 | Jayce^ | looks like my xinitrc wasnt' run though, so it didnt' do my xmodmap correctly |
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| 18:26.32 | Hanuman | You guys should ask Bruce Eckel what he thinks of Bruce Perens |
| 18:42.31 | Hanuman | nm - I'm confusing people here |
| 18:45.30 | Jayce^ | "Bring me the router of the wicked switch of the Qwest!" |
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| 19:55.04 | Bradipo | Anyone here know how to change the default route on a novell box. |
| 20:01.31 | Jayce^ | ahh, nothing like a discussion on DRM to spice up the lists |
| 20:02.59 | tensai | Bradipo: I know I've done it before but it's been a while. There was a console based application. netcfg or something |
| 20:05.14 | Bradipo | Well, I used to have fun with the send command. :-) |
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| 21:01.57 | Hanuman | Cool - I'm on GAIM - power must have gone out at my house or something |
| 21:08.46 | Hanuman | well cya guys later - I'm heading home... |
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| 21:29.55 | guest | is everyone here from utah? |
| 21:30.39 | guest | is there realy a drought going on? |
| 21:30.47 | levi | Mostly everyone is. |
| 21:30.59 | levi | And yeah, it's been dry here for the past few years. |
| 21:31.12 | levi | Drier than usual, that is. |
| 21:31.41 | guest | was it worse this year or last year? |
| 21:32.20 | Jayce^ | quite a drought.. |
| 21:32.27 | Jayce^ | this year |
| 21:32.52 | guest | is the prediction worse next year or better? |
| 21:33.22 | Jayce^ | no clue |
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| 22:35.52 | Jayce^ | now that's a DANG cool commercial.. |
| 22:35.59 | Jayce^ | anybody else watch the ibm commercial yet? |
| 22:59.24 | tensai | Jayce^: I dunno. that was kinda weird |
| 23:00.57 | Jayce^ | I like the comment about "knowledge amplification" |
| 23:03.05 | tensai | I would have liked to see the kid do something |
| 23:04.28 | Jayce^ | " Knowledge amplification. What he learns, we all learn. What he knows, we all benefit from. " |
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