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| 00:11.09 | LrnChndlr | anyone used Mozilla's irc client? |
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| 01:00.41 | hans | synic_: do they need any more part-time programmers? My bro is looking for a job. (CS freshman) |
| 01:01.05 | hans | (and he's not one of these never-touched-a-computer froshes - he's done some coding) |
| 01:07.14 | hans | any time-management freaks in here? |
| 01:07.29 | hans | and don't tell me they're at the football game. what a waste of a time-management freak. ;-) |
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| 03:31.36 | Jayce^ | w00t... Perl just made it into the oxford english dictionary |
| 03:32.43 | emcnabb_ | cool! |
| 03:44.39 | Jayce^ | Every cloud has a silver lining (except for the mushroom shaped ones, which have a lining of Iridium & Strontium 90) |
| 03:49.07 | Hanuman | emcnabb_: what format of resume is argus-systems looking for? Word, text, html, pdf? |
| 03:49.56 | Jayce^ | hey, for a friend, is the path in winxp still set in autoexec? or where? |
| 03:50.33 | Hanuman | That's a good question...let me check (I don't like XP very much) |
| 03:50.46 | Jayce^ | me either, that's why I don't have it around here :) |
| 03:51.14 | Hanuman | touchdown! |
| 03:51.21 | Jayce^ | sweet.. |
| 03:55.17 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you can do it in the System properties... |
| 03:55.42 | Hanuman | right-click My Computer, select Advanced, and then Environment Variables |
| 03:55.48 | Hanuman | Then edit the PATH variable |
| 03:56.42 | Hanuman | Not sure what file those variables are being stored, though |
| 03:57.34 | Hanuman | sorry - right click my computer, select properties (then advanced), then follow my directions above |
| 03:57.54 | emcnabb_ | Hanuman, I think word or pdf is file |
| 03:58.01 | emcnabb_ | fine |
| 03:58.03 | emcnabb_ | not file |
| 03:58.50 | Hanuman | okay - some employers prefer Word, others look at you badly if you use anything Microsoft. I can do either, so I want to make sure I send what they like. |
| 03:59.03 | emcnabb_ | I AM GOING CRAZY; I AM HELPING SOMEONE USE WINAMP OVER IM AND SHE CAN'T FIGURE ANYTHING OUT |
| 03:59.07 | Bradipo | Send them a PDF. |
| 03:59.11 | Bradipo | Can't go wrong. ;-) |
| 03:59.29 | Bradipo | emcnabb_: Install VNC first. |
| 03:59.30 | Jayce^ | emcnabb_, dump her, she's not worth it.. |
| 03:59.43 | Hanuman | emcnabb_: tell them to use MusicMatch Jukebox instead. It's my favorite. |
| 03:59.44 | emcnabb_ | I'm not interested in her :-) |
| 03:59.47 | Hanuman | (on Windows) |
| 03:59.53 | Bradipo | Even VNC over dialup is better than helping out people like that. |
| 04:01.17 | Hanuman | yeah - VNC is a life-saver |
| 04:01.23 | Hanuman | What OS is she running? |
| 04:01.27 | emcnabb_ | XP |
| 04:01.31 | emcnabb_ | arrrgg.... |
| 04:01.49 | Hanuman | If you have another XP machine it has the capability of allowing another to remotely control the PC |
| 04:01.57 | Hanuman | never done it before, though, so I couldn't explain how |
| 04:01.58 | Bradipo | Doesn't have XP remote desktop? |
| 04:02.09 | emcnabb_ | interception!! |
| 04:02.21 | Hanuman | That's what I was talking about |
| 04:02.26 | Bradipo | And you can use rdesktop from linux too... |
| 04:02.31 | Bradipo | No need for another XP machine. :-) |
| 04:02.32 | emcnabb_ | I'm about ready to install VNC |
| 04:02.33 | Hanuman | emcnabb_: you watching local TV or ESPN? |
| 04:02.35 | Jayce^ | emcnabb_, Hanuman, you two are faster than the espn gamecast :) |
| 04:02.40 | emcnabb_ | ESPN2 |
| 04:02.42 | emcnabb_ | :-) |
| 04:02.49 | Hanuman | Bradipo: rdesktop works with remote desktop? |
| 04:02.52 | emcnabb_ | holding? |
| 04:02.54 | Hanuman | duh... |
| 04:03.01 | Bradipo | I believe that is what it was written for, yes. |
| 04:03.06 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, that's exactly what it does.. |
| 04:03.08 | Hanuman | emcnabb_: that would explain why you said interception as I saw it. |
| 04:03.10 | Jayce^ | I've had to use it before.. |
| 04:03.21 | emcnabb_ | I want to see if I can get her working without VNC |
| 04:03.36 | Bradipo | If you aren't interested in her, it isn't worth it to try without VNC. :-) |
| 04:03.43 | Hanuman | That is cool (rdesktop) |
| 04:03.46 | Bradipo | Too frustrating. |
| 04:03.53 | emcnabb_ | I've never used rdesktop |
| 04:03.57 | emcnabb_ | I have it installed |
| 04:04.07 | emcnabb_ | what do they need to do on the windows side? |
| 04:04.07 | Bradipo | I haven't had to either. |
| 04:04.11 | Hanuman | I helped a girl over the phone that had just dumped me. Now that's frustrating |
| 04:04.13 | Jayce^ | well, you have to have a system running terminal services to connect too :) |
| 04:04.30 | Bradipo | I thought you didn't need that with XP? |
| 04:04.49 | Hanuman | Yeah - I thought remote desktop was independant from TS |
| 04:05.01 | Jayce^ | for a short span of time, they tried getting us all to use project :) we of course couldnt' run it, and even their "web" access is Windows IE only.. |
| 04:05.44 | Hanuman | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gomobile/remotedesktop/default.asp |
| 04:06.03 | emcnabb_ | Hanuman, thanks |
| 04:06.13 | Bradipo | Ahh, but this requires XP Professional. |
| 04:06.24 | Jayce^ | yeah, all it's using is TS.. |
| 04:06.39 | Bradipo | That's lame. |
| 04:06.50 | Bradipo | I thought XP Home had remote desktop built in as well. |
| 04:06.57 | Bradipo | Forget MS crap, put VNC on there. :-) |
| 04:07.21 | Hanuman | You can use remote desktop to install VNC |
| 04:09.09 | Bradipo | lol |
| 04:10.07 | emcnabb_ | why me? did I do something to deserve this pain and suffering? |
| 04:10.12 | emcnabb_ | arrggg.... |
| 04:11.22 | Jayce^ | emcnabb_, you haven't gotten married yet, and are a geek... so the girls think that's how they get your attention :D |
| 04:11.28 | Jayce^ | if they only knew :D |
| 04:11.40 | emcnabb_ | About 6 months ago I went over to a guys apartment to help them to set up a wireless network... it turns out it was Matt Berry :-) |
| 04:11.58 | Hanuman | lol - that's hilarious |
| 04:12.14 | Jayce^ | funny |
| 04:12.18 | emcnabb_ | this is my brother's girlfriend (he just left on his mission); I want to clear up that I am NOT hitting on her |
| 04:12.28 | Jayce^ | wow, vim.sf.net has an interesting front page now :) |
| 04:12.31 | Jayce^ | LOL! |
| 04:12.38 | Hanuman | emcnabb_: you should just go over to the girl's place. Maybe she's got a cute roommate |
| 04:12.57 | emcnabb_ | she's in Illinois |
| 04:14.08 | Hanuman | Have her mail the computer to you - never underestimate the bandwidth of the US Postal System |
| 04:14.21 | emcnabb_ | high latency though |
| 04:14.25 | emcnabb_ | :-) |
| 04:14.50 | Bradipo | Yeah, interesting. |
| 04:15.12 | Bradipo | The question is, did vim implement the method as prior art? |
| 04:22.01 | Hanuman | interception! |
| 04:23.19 | Hanuman | dang it - I've got to reboot - I really need to get a Linux desktop other than my server for home |
| 04:23.23 | Hanuman | brb |
| 04:25.01 | emcnabb_ | the dorms there must be blocking vnc |
| 04:30.09 | Bradipo | Wait! |
| 04:30.14 | Bradipo | VNC has a nifty feature... |
| 04:30.19 | Bradipo | It can do reverse connections. |
| 04:30.26 | emcnabb_ | really? |
| 04:30.39 | Bradipo | i.e. you start up VNC client on your system and tell it to wait for connections. |
| 04:30.54 | Bradipo | Or something like that. |
| 04:30.56 | Bradipo | I have done it before. |
| 04:31.02 | Bradipo | Very nice of VNC to put it in there. |
| 04:31.51 | Bradipo | I believe it's vncviewer --listen |
| 04:32.01 | emcnabb_ | ok, I'll try that |
| 04:32.02 | Bradipo | Then you have her startup the VNC server and have it connect to your viewer. |
| 04:32.06 | Bradipo | Or something like that. |
| 04:32.18 | Bradipo | vncviewer -listen rather. |
| 04:32.21 | Bradipo | It's cool. |
| 04:35.01 | emcnabb_ | I;'m giving up for tonight |
| 04:35.07 | emcnabb_ | for my sanities sake |
| 04:37.59 | Bradipo | emcnabb_: Get that to work? |
| 04:40.59 | emcnabb_ | we gave up; it's an hour later in Illinois; we'll try it tomorrow |
| 04:41.20 | Jayce^ | dangit, wish they'd gotten a TD outta that series.. |
| 04:41.28 | emcnabb_ | yeah |
| 04:48.38 | emcnabb_ | fumble |
| 04:48.44 | emcnabb_ | I know Aaron Fransico |
| 04:48.47 | Hanuman | D-fense is doing a nice job |
| 04:49.05 | emcnabb_ | he and his girlfriend were at my friends house last week |
| 04:49.08 | Hanuman | s/D-fense/Defense/ - I'm getting tired |
| 04:49.17 | emcnabb_ | we talked about laptop brands |
| 04:52.47 | Hanuman | What's the best way to convert a Word doc to ps? |
| 04:54.16 | Hanuman | nm - figured it out |
| 04:54.24 | emcnabb_ | night all |
| 04:54.35 | Hanuman | good night |
| 04:54.40 | Hanuman | night all |
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| 15:55.47 | levi | So, you all missed out on the Radiohead show. |
| 15:55.54 | Jayce^ | how was it? |
| 15:57.29 | levi | It rocked. |
| 16:02.51 | Hanuman | cool |
| 16:03.03 | Hanuman | It was a good BYU game, too |
| 16:06.48 | Mecworks | Well, off to Moab. Have a good holliday weekend everyone!!!! |
| 16:08.20 | Bradipo | Moab! |
| 16:08.24 | Bradipo | Have fun. |
| 16:12.00 | Mecworks | Ding some geocahing there too if I have time. |
| 16:13.01 | Hanuman | Going biking? |
| 16:29.19 | levi | Mmm, Moab. |
| 16:29.28 | levi | I'm off to Seattle later tonight. |
| 16:29.38 | elg | I'm off to provo |
| 16:29.41 | Jayce^ | now I'd rather go to seattle.. |
| 16:30.11 | levi | I'd rather go a lot of places before I'd want to go to Provo. ;) |
| 16:30.49 | Jayce^ | I'd rather go to seattle than moab is what I had said, elg just made it an even easier decision |
| 16:32.57 | levi | Yeah, I prefer Seattle over Moab too, but Moab is definitely way up higher than Provo. |
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| 17:28.28 | Jayce^ | GAHHHHH!!! oh horror of horrors.. |
| 17:28.52 | Jayce^ | something just modified my kde, so that .pm (perl modules) are associated with emacs.... |
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| 17:44.34 | jalance_ | ack! |
| 17:45.13 | elg_ | syn |
| 17:46.15 | Jayce^ | that obviously became a top line priority to fix :) |
| 17:49.37 | Jayce^ | you were gone when I described the horror.. |
| 17:50.00 | Jayce^ | something changed my wm's file association for perl modules to emacs, from gvim... |
| 17:50.29 | elg_ | ick |
| 17:50.37 | elg_ | remind me not to use your WM |
| 17:51.18 | Jayce^ | hehe.. it was some update I did.. luckily it's very easy to correct that problem.. |
| 17:51.36 | elg_ | yeah, once you can figure out how to get out of emacs |
| 17:52.14 | Jayce^ | I think I hurt my hands trying to do that :) |
| 17:52.44 | emcnabb_ | killall -9 emacs |
| 17:52.54 | emcnabb_ | that works for me |
| 17:52.57 | elg_ | you're supposed to use your nose, too - that's why |
| 17:55.09 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 18:11.41 | jalance_ | or grown an addition few fingers or maybe a new hand |
| 18:15.19 | emcnabb_ | Emacs Software Requirements: 500 MB Disk Space, 128 MB RAM, 3 Hands |
| 18:22.29 | Jayce^ | does anybody have a good link for describing the different SQL join types, and what each is... I always go so long between needing the "wierd ones" that I forget which is which |
| 19:29.37 | Jayce^ | ok, I just got a really wierd spam.. |
| 19:30.24 | Jayce^ | filled with stuff like <font color="#ffffff">corroborated <font color="#ffffff">example |
| 19:30.50 | Jayce^ | it's just an opening html and body tag, then a lot of randome words like that, with opening (white) font tags.. |
| 19:31.00 | Jayce^ | then at a couple of places $RANDOMIZE appears |
| 19:31.30 | Jayce^ | ahh, found an img tag in the middle: <img border="0" |
| 19:31.30 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.30 | Jayce^ | </a> |
| 19:31.37 | Jayce^ | interesting image uri |
| 19:35.07 | emcnabb_ | strange |
| 19:37.05 | Hanuman | interesting how they are taking advantage of the yahoo redirect |
| 19:39.17 | Hanuman | I never thought I'd see the church using Perl |
| 19:39.29 | Hanuman | read your LDSOSS e-mail yet? |
| 19:44.50 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, gee, I don't know if I'm familiar with perl, or the lds church :D |
| 19:44.56 | Jayce^ | forward me baby! :) |
| 19:45.06 | Jayce^ | it's a great day when that happens.. |
| 19:45.11 | Jayce^ | so how'd you get in contact? |
| 19:45.39 | Hanuman | They called me, actually |
| 19:45.44 | Jayce^ | wow. |
| 19:45.48 | Hanuman | We've been playing phone-tag all week |
| 19:46.27 | Hanuman | Very cool - it's a good day for Perl programmers everywhere |
| 19:46.45 | Hanuman | Actually, it's just going to be some small parsing scripts |
| 19:46.54 | Hanuman | I think the rest of their system will be in Java |
| 19:46.58 | Jayce^ | so yeah, I'm willing to be called to work in perl :D |
| 19:47.18 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 19:47.28 | Jayce^ | but we were all thinkig it anyways :) |
| 19:47.53 | Hanuman | Jayce^: just send me an e-mail with # of hours/week you can put in, and I'll add your name |
| 19:48.46 | Hanuman | (I already know your experience) |
| 19:50.25 | Jayce^ | heh.. well, at least the first bit of it :) |
| 19:51.37 | Hanuman | which is enough |
| 19:53.03 | Hanuman | I have to admit I'm overjoyed that they decided to use Perl for parsing in genealogy |
| 19:53.13 | Hanuman | I was trying to get OGF to do that the whole time I was there |
| 19:53.19 | Jayce^ | well, it just makes sense to anyone familiar with languages. |
| 19:53.29 | Jayce^ | plus it gives me a chance to help out :) |
| 19:54.12 | Hanuman | yup - that's my main reason I'm overjoyed |
| 19:56.30 | Hanuman | I'll keep that confidential unless he says so himself |
| 19:58.56 | tensai | Hanuman: what contact info do you want? |
| 19:59.38 | Hanuman | Just e-mail and phone is enough - we'll get the rest if we need it |
| 20:06.43 | Hanuman | Random comment: O-town reminds me of the boy-band in the Simpsons |
| 20:09.01 | Hanuman | out of curiosity, what do those Netsplits mean? |
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| 20:12.16 | Jayce^ | one of the irc servers was disconnected.. |
| 20:12.43 | Hanuman | that's what I was wondering - thanks |
| 20:13.31 | tensai | on some of the older IRC networks, script kiddies would cause netsplits so the channel ops would disconnect and they could become op |
| 20:14.01 | Hanuman | mutiny! |
| 20:15.28 | elg_ | i'd work in perl for the church, sure. i wouldn't call it the one true language though - you'd have to cecede that MS Visual Studio, TCL, Java, and who knows what other monstrosities are one true languages first. |
| 20:15.41 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:15.59 | Hanuman | hehe |
| 20:16.35 | Hanuman | elg_: would you really put those languages above Perl? |
| 20:16.47 | elg_ | no, but they're languages the church has used in the past |
| 20:16.56 | Hanuman | good point |
| 20:17.11 | elg_ | i can probably do a few hours a week |
| 20:17.33 | Hanuman | k - can you just send me an e-mail so I can put you in my folder of those willing to volunteer? |
| 20:19.08 | elg_ | what kind of things do they want to parse? |
| 20:20.10 | elg_ | are they aware of/against the already-existing GEDCOM module? |
| 20:20.12 | Hanuman | I'm not completely sure - they haven't given me many details yet. I imagine genealogical data of some sort - it would probably be parsing text-files of some-sort and putting them in an Oracle database. |
| 20:20.29 | Jayce^ | I'd *guess* that they'll just havfe lots of different data formats they've got to text, and will want to move it from whatever format/tabling it's in to their db.. |
| 20:20.33 | Hanuman | Yeah - I'm going to bring that up if it comes up - I'm on their mailing list, too |
| 20:20.52 | elg_ | which mailing list? |
| 20:21.04 | Hanuman | the gedcom.pm list |
| 20:21.09 | elg_ | ah, yeah, that one |
| 20:21.25 | Jayce^ | for me, I'd guess it's stuff like census reports, or similar textual data |
| 20:21.26 | Hanuman | I've seen you make comments there, that's why I said "too" |
| 20:21.50 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I imagine |
| 20:22.28 | Hanuman | He inferred that they were thinking of spitting to text files, but then said we would need to be outputting to Oracle |
| 20:22.40 | Hanuman | So I imagine we're starting with text files |
| 20:22.52 | Hanuman | maybe not, though |
| 20:23.54 | Hanuman | either way, it's all data |
| 20:24.32 | elg_ | data is data is data |
| 20:25.37 | Hanuman | I think the church is going to be amazed at the number of people willing to donate time to this |
| 20:26.25 | Hanuman | bbl - I'm going to watch TechTV |
| 20:28.51 | Jayce^ | http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue81/vikas.html |
| 20:29.04 | Jayce^ | the Alt + Sysrq + keystroke on linux can do these things: |
| 20:29.04 | Jayce^ | b - Reboot hard. |
| 20:29.04 | Jayce^ | e - send TERM to all processes, but not to init |
| 20:29.04 | Jayce^ | i - send KILL to all processes, also not to init |
| 20:29.04 | Jayce^ | k - send KILL to all processes on only the current console |
| 20:29.06 | Jayce^ | l - send KILL to _all_ processes (init included!) |
| 20:29.08 | Jayce^ | m - dump memory info to screen |
| 20:29.10 | Jayce^ | p - dump registers to the screen |
| 20:29.12 | Jayce^ | s - sync kernel buffers to disk |
| 20:29.14 | Jayce^ | t - dumps process info to screen |
| 20:29.16 | Jayce^ | u - remounts root partition read-only |
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| 20:29.42 | elg_ | someone needs to make a nice quickref that can be printed out and taped to the side of the monitor |
| 20:29.50 | elg_ | or stashed in a wallet |
| 20:30.04 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 20:36.11 | tensai | I've only really used two. 'k' when X freezes, and 'sub' if that fails |
| 20:37.05 | elg_ | that remount root read-only is easier to remember than whatever you do to do it by hand |
| 20:37.10 | elg_ | and will no doubt come in handy |
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| 23:12.07 | emcnabb__ | why in the heck does it think that emcnabb and emcnabb_ are being used? |
| 23:12.13 | emcnabb__ | do they ever time out? |
| 23:12.27 | emcnabb__ | half of the time I can't log on because it says all three are in use |
| 23:13.10 | emcnabb__ | arg... |
| 23:13.12 | emcnabb__ | oh well |
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