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| 04:55.39 | B4nd4id_b0y | sup everyone |
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| 06:27.27 | brailsmt | anyone awake? |
| 06:27.40 | brailsmt | how can I call my own phone number? |
| 06:28.03 | brailsmt | I just set up vocp and I want to try it out, but dialing my own phone number gives me a busy tone... |
| 06:38.37 | Bradipo | Dial from a cell phone? |
| 06:40.06 | brailsmt | i don't have a cell phone |
| 06:41.01 | brailsmt | i remember doing it in high school, i would make the phone ring in my parents house and prank my sister... ;) |
| 06:41.15 | brailsmt | that was a long time ago though... |
| 06:42.12 | Bradipo | Yeah, I remember that too. |
| 06:42.23 | Bradipo | There was a special phone number that would call back. |
| 06:43.47 | brailsmt | yeah, but i forgot the stupid number... |
| 13:35.07 | Hanuman | "In Tech news, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has challenged Linux creator Linux Torvalds to a winner-take-all steel-cage judo deathmatch" |
| 13:35.14 | Hanuman | -Foxtrot |
| 13:35.28 | Hanuman | That would be funny to see |
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| 15:54.40 | Hanuman | man - I'm getting really close to switching to qmail - I'm getting sick of these sendmail security vulnerabilities |
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| 16:21.34 | Bradipo | Good to hear it. |
| 16:21.46 | Bradipo | qmail is definitely one of the most secure MTA's out there. |
| 16:31.57 | Hanuman | yeah - I keep hearing nothing but good things about it (comparitively speaking) |
| 16:40.08 | Bradipo | Well, there are pros and cons for it in some people's opinion I'm sure. |
| 16:40.19 | Bradipo | I don't have anything but good to say about it. :-) |
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| 17:39.52 | Hanuman | mmm...nothing like a good rueben from the Carnegie Deli |
| 18:06.50 | Bradipo | Where is Carnegie Deli? |
| 18:25.07 | sjansen | Not in Utah. |
| 18:25.45 | sjansen | Hanuman lives out east, IIRC. |
| 18:30.41 | Bradipo | Bummer, it sounded good. |
| 18:38.14 | Hanuman | I went up to NYC over the weekend - brought home leftovers |
| 18:38.40 | Hanuman | You might have heard Adam Sandler's "Hanakuh Song" |
| 18:39.12 | Hanuman | Actually, this was my first time - best sandwiches I've ever had |
| 18:54.27 | Hanuman | What's the best way to do a layer in html browser for cross-platform/cross-browser functionality? |
| 18:54.51 | Hanuman | take out the first browser and that question will make sense |
| 19:12.50 | Hanuman | I guess what I really want is a good howto on layering with html - anyone know of anything? |
| 19:13.15 | Jayce^ | I've seen some before, but cant' remember where. |
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| 19:21.43 | elg | bzflag game at fugal.net |
| 19:22.54 | Hanuman | elg: know of any good xhtml layering howto's? |
| 19:44.24 | Hanuman | what day was debian's b-day? |
| 19:48.15 | elg | a week ago last saturday |
| 19:48.17 | elg | Hanuman: no |
| 19:48.43 | Hanuman | so the 16th |
| 19:48.53 | Hanuman | right after my birthday - what year - do you know? |
| 19:49.06 | elg | um, ten years ago. :) |
| 19:49.33 | Hanuman | that's right - I might want to read the topic, as well as the old /. article |
| 19:49.51 | Hanuman | ~lart myself |
| 19:50.07 | Hanuman | I think I killed elg with that lart |
| 19:54.26 | sjansen | Hanuman: Why do you want to use layers? |
| 19:55.02 | sjansen | And more importantly, do you have to support NS4? |
| 20:02.47 | Hanuman | sjansen: I would like to support as many browsers as possible. I want to use layers because I want to avoid using too many images, and layers read much better than tables. |
| 20:02.55 | Hanuman | search engines read layers better, too |
| 20:03.22 | Hanuman | Eventually I want to use it for my family website engine to develop the templates |
| 20:03.43 | Hanuman | right now I'm just experimenting with it on an e-mail template I'm making for work. |
| 20:05.14 | Hanuman | I figured most of it out. I just needed to figure out how to get the top: and left: coordinates to work in the item attributes |
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| 20:07.23 | sjansen | IIRC, each browser calculates that differently. One is relative to the absolute top, the other the visible top. |
| 20:15.55 | Hanuman | lovely |
| 20:20.33 | sjansen | I recommend dropping support for NS4. It's almost gone. At that point, you can look at using CSS instead. |
| 20:21.05 | sjansen | At even if you stay with layers, there's fewer quirks. |
| 20:35.20 | Hanuman | what do you mean by fewer quirks? |
| 21:05.49 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, had to reply to your plug post.. |
| 21:08.59 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 21:09.01 | Bradipo | Let me read it. :-) |
| 21:15.43 | Jayce^ | somebody else responded with about the same thing.. |
| 21:16.25 | Bradipo | Back atcha. |
| 21:17.07 | Jayce^ | cool.. |
| 21:17.30 | Jayce^ | yeah, bayes is very good, but I like having it as a part of the spam chain. |
| 21:20.38 | Hanuman | I had to add in MailScanner which uses all-of-the-above |
| 21:20.46 | Hanuman | plus some |
| 21:21.33 | Jayce^ | you say spamd truncated your email?? weird.. |
| 21:21.40 | Jayce^ | see, I feel the exact opposite :) |
| 21:21.40 | Bradipo | Well, spamc I suppose. |
| 21:21.47 | Hanuman | well, gotta format my XP machine (yay!) bbl |
| 21:22.12 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, wow, is it monday again already :D |
| 21:22.14 | Bradipo | At any rate, we get close to 40,000 emails per day. |
| 21:22.24 | Bradipo | 40,000 perl processes just doesn't sound very tantalizing to me. |
| 21:23.25 | Jayce^ | no, I would run it in daemon format.. |
| 21:23.33 | Bradipo | I tried that. |
| 21:23.41 | Bradipo | spamc/spamd truncated the messages. |
| 21:23.57 | Bradipo | At any rate, the only reason why I would use SA is for bayes. |
| 21:24.12 | Bradipo | And since there are already dedicated bayesian filters out there, I don't see the need. |
| 21:24.30 | Jayce^ | I like a lot of it's rankings, although I don't give as much strength to razor, I like the ratings for stuff like pgp, etc.. |
| 21:24.42 | Bradipo | Now, SA with razor is another stor. |
| 21:27.06 | Bradipo | I just think the whole rating thing just doesn't work as well as a simple bayesian filter. |
| 21:27.20 | Bradipo | Some of our users are using SA and have complained that it just isn' catching enough of the spam. |
| 21:27.36 | Jayce^ | really? I've had excellent success with it |
| 21:29.55 | Bradipo | Well, different people receive different kinds of spam. |
| 21:34.30 | Jayce^ | I just had to whitelist some of my coworkers email, that it tagged as spam, but for very good reasons.. |
| 21:34.49 | Jayce^ | morons have huuuge .sig's that include 'opportunity' links/stuff.. |
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| 22:50.26 | hans | i wonder if anyone has written a bzflag bot. it would be fun to do an AI tourney |
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