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| 14:50.27 | Hanuman | morning! |
| 14:50.56 | Hanuman | nothing like peaches and cream instant oatmeal in the morning |
| 14:58.47 | levi | Hmm. |
| 14:59.03 | levi | Well, there's nothing quite like it, but that doesn't mean it's good! |
| 15:01.36 | Hanuman | I've been on an instant oatmeal kick lately |
| 15:13.05 | levi | I was for a while, but it was apple cinnamon oatmeal. |
| 15:13.11 | levi | Great at-work breakfast. |
| 15:14.11 | Hanuman | yes - I've realized that I don't have to eat before I come to work any more |
| 15:14.26 | Hanuman | I've got apple cinnamon as well |
| 15:14.31 | Hanuman | I like the cream ones better, though |
| 15:19.56 | Hanuman | elg: to answer Friday's question - no, the power outage didn't make it down this far south |
| 15:20.16 | Hanuman | My Uncle did, though - he's an Engineer for Ford |
| 15:20.28 | Hanuman | I've never known someone to have fun during a power outage like he did |
| 15:20.54 | Hanuman | He pulled out his solar panel cell, used it to charge his batteries and power a couple appliances in the house |
| 15:21.19 | Hanuman | tinkered with his power generator, turned that on to keep the fridge running |
| 15:21.34 | Hanuman | and listened to the news on his solar-powered radio |
| 15:21.49 | Hanuman | of course, all of these were things he built or rebuilt from scratch |
| 15:22.44 | Hanuman | He keeps talking about new ways to get cars to fly, etc. - he cracks me up |
| 15:22.58 | Hanuman | I thought I was bad |
| 15:23.35 | neybar | anyone here know of a good tool for cracking XP passwords? |
| 15:26.09 | Hanuman | Not sure - I know if they don't have punctuation in them, they're pretty easy to crack |
| 15:27.47 | Hanuman | XP and NT use the same key for all systems |
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| 15:28.12 | Hanuman | morning sjansen |
| 15:30.43 | sjansen | Morning. |
| 15:30.49 | emcnabb_ | morning all |
| 15:33.39 | Hanuman | morning emcnabb_ |
| 15:33.46 | Hanuman | Jayce^: you in here yet? |
| 15:34.22 | Hanuman | I need some Perl-addicts advice |
| 15:34.33 | Hanuman | (no offense - I'm one, too) |
| 15:36.29 | Hanuman | sjansen: have some instant oatmeal - it helps me get into my morning |
| 15:37.28 | sjansen | I check my email, scan Slashdot, hit about 4 different weblogs, check Gnome news, etc. |
| 15:37.35 | Jayce^ | of courese I'm here.. |
| 15:37.53 | sjansen | Got the routine down to half an hour, fifteen if there's nothing interesting on Slashdot. |
| 15:38.26 | Jayce^ | gotta hit the web comics.. those are the mainstay of my morning routine.. |
| 15:38.53 | Jayce^ | and play LORD |
| 15:38.58 | Hanuman | sjansen: that's about the same with me |
| 15:39.18 | Hanuman | Jayce^: what do you think I should get for my custom license plate (their really cheap out here): |
| 15:39.34 | Hanuman | should I just get generic "PERL", or should I get something more creative? |
| 15:39.44 | Jayce^ | PERL if it's available.. |
| 15:39.47 | Hanuman | I can have up to 7 digits, but preferably 6 |
| 15:39.55 | Hanuman | it is |
| 15:39.58 | Jayce^ | I wanted to get that on my truck, but coulndn't justify it to the wife.. |
| 15:39.59 | sjansen | PYTHON |
| 15:40.09 | Hanuman | I saw perl -w the other day - I thought that was cool |
| 15:40.18 | sjansen | Reach out and build bridges. |
| 15:40.31 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 15:40.36 | sjansen | RUBYPHP |
| 15:40.37 | Hanuman | sjansen: how about "!PYTHON"? |
| 15:40.56 | Jayce^ | MSVC++ :) |
| 15:41.03 | Hanuman | ack! |
| 15:41.05 | sjansen | Jayce^: thanks, but I'm already awake. |
| 15:41.12 | Hanuman | .net? |
| 15:41.37 | Hanuman | So you don't think just PERL is too generic, then? |
| 15:41.47 | Hanuman | I was also thinking of Mr Perl |
| 15:41.51 | Hanuman | or PerlMan |
| 15:42.28 | Hanuman | timtowtdi - too bad that's over 7 characters |
| 15:43.22 | Hanuman | The LUG up near DC in Northern VA is trying to push for a Tux License plate design in VA |
| 15:44.07 | sjansen | ${$_}++, or some such craziness |
| 15:44.47 | Hanuman | Some combination like that would be cool - only certain punctuation is allowed, though |
| 15:45.16 | Hanuman | It would be cool to have a one-liner in 7 chars or less written in Perl on my license plate |
| 15:46.49 | Jayce^ | perl -e |
| 15:47.00 | Hanuman | I was thinking of that one, too |
| 15:47.08 | neybar | use strict |
| 15:57.27 | Hanuman | so should I go with the perl -e, or just perl? |
| 15:57.41 | Hanuman | the other candidate I was thinking of is "modperl" |
| 16:01.54 | sjansen | Tell me again why it's so vital that we have "support" because we're an "enterprise". |
| 16:02.31 | sjansen | Just finished talking with Support for one of our vendors. We reported a problem a week and a half ago. They took a week to say they couldn't confirm it. |
| 16:02.32 | Jayce^ | because that's what the magazines say you should have... |
| 16:03.17 | sjansen | I tracked it down to a specific setting. Updated the case, support just finished calling me. He hadn't tested with that setting. |
| 16:03.29 | sjansen | So why did he aske me to send a copy of my config files the first day? |
| 16:04.16 | Jayce^ | because that's what the script says he should do |
| 16:04.16 | sjansen | I'd be more upset if this weren't so common. Mostly I'm just amazed that anyone could consider this better than free community support and access to the source code. |
| 16:05.03 | sjansen | I'm preaching to the choir, but it still needs to be said. |
| 16:07.30 | Hanuman | I get particularly peeved at the bots they set up to answer, saying things like "read the FAQ's, etc" when their FAQ's don't give a bit of information |
| 16:07.52 | Hanuman | If they provided a better way of RTFM'ing, I would never even have e-mailed their support in the first place |
| 16:08.23 | Hanuman | To me, having a bot answer to reduce the support incidents is an insult to me, saying I don't know how to read their docs |
| 16:08.32 | Hanuman | if you can't tell, I'm frustrated, too |
| 16:08.44 | Jayce^ | no no, the *worst* is when calling on hardware, and they won't help you unless you have a specific windows version on the box.. |
| 16:09.02 | Hanuman | oooh...that would be terrible. |
| 16:09.10 | sjansen | Yeah. They'd save so much money if they just made their information Googleable and built a community. Instead they buy a trashy asp "knowledge" management system and hide it behind a login and copyright threats. |
| 16:09.19 | Jayce^ | had that with my dell laptop.... the lcd had died.... |
| 16:09.48 | Jayce^ | "what version of windows do you have on there", "none, and it doesnt' matter, the monitor is dead".. |
| 16:09.51 | Hanuman | I'm thinking of setting up a community for our clothing that we sell |
| 16:10.04 | Hanuman | That way customers can spread the word about new specials, etc. |
| 16:10.05 | Jayce^ | "I'm sorry sir, but you must have a copy of windows on there so we can do diagnostics.." |
| 16:10.25 | Hanuman | I just have to worry about people spreading bad word about products, service, etc |
| 16:10.48 | Hanuman | Jayce^: ISP's are also notorious for that |
| 16:10.50 | Jayce^ | finally, I just told the person, "it's win98", so they said "boot it up and we'll check the properties"... :( |
| 16:10.54 | sjansen | Well, if you monitor it you can see where you need to improve. |
| 16:10.59 | Hanuman | The minute you mention Linux, they run away really fast |
| 16:11.13 | Hanuman | sjansen: yeah - that's what I was thinking. I would need to make sure good moderation was in place |
| 16:11.17 | sjansen | Betting than making them grip to epinions instead. |
| 16:11.21 | Jayce^ | "you can't see anything on the panel, it only displays if you plug in a monitor"... "oh, it's a monitor problem then...." DUH! |
| 16:11.39 | Jayce^ | xmission is good about helping people in linux I've heard.. |
| 16:12.01 | Hanuman | Jayce^: I love pretending I'm going through the steps their reading to me off the screen |
| 16:12.06 | sjansen | Oo, new Gaim version! |
| 16:12.17 | Jayce^ | yeah, saw that this morning.. |
| 16:12.21 | elg | sjansen: what does it do? |
| 16:12.33 | Jayce^ | waiting until texstar does his gaim + gaim-e binary though.. |
| 16:12.40 | Hanuman | It's pretty bad when I can tell them exactly what the machine is doing, when I'm not even really doing it |
| 16:12.44 | Jayce^ | anybody else here (besides neybar) use gaim-e? |
| 16:12.58 | Hanuman | what's gaim-e? |
| 16:12.59 | sjansen | Jayce^: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog |
| 16:13.34 | Jayce^ | gaim + rsa encryption for each of the transports :) |
| 16:13.38 | sjansen | Jayce^: I looked at it, but didn't see much benefit. Kinda awkward and didn't want to have to convince other people to use it. |
| 16:13.59 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I just use it with those who I know have it. |
| 16:14.10 | sjansen | elg: see comment to Jayce^ (oops) |
| 16:14.15 | Jayce^ | yea |
| 16:16.15 | Hanuman | Jayce^: does gaim-e work with those that don't have it, so it automatically detects and doesn't send information encrypted? |
| 16:16.29 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:17.01 | elg | Jayce^: is it a patch to gaim's source or a plugin? |
| 16:17.03 | Hanuman | That's cool, then. I'll have to experiment with that sometime. There are some similar Windows clients as well - I wonder if they're compatible. |
| 16:17.24 | Jayce^ | elg, patch-plugin.. |
| 16:17.34 | Hanuman | I guess the Windows client just has to understand RSA encryption to work, doesn't it? |
| 16:17.38 | elg | i don't get why it can't be just a plugin. |
| 16:17.52 | Jayce^ | dunno, RTFS :) |
| 16:18.03 | elg | you read it - you're the evangelist. ;-) |
| 16:18.08 | Jayce^ | not sure how it's plugins have to work when they are C :) |
| 16:18.30 | elg | no excuse. swig. |
| 16:19.23 | Jayce^ | XS :) or better, INLINE:: |
| 16:19.40 | Jayce^ | it allows perl plugins, that's how neybar has his working.. |
| 16:20.23 | elg | i lost you Jayce^ |
| 16:20.50 | Jayce^ | gaim let's you run perl plugins.. |
| 16:20.56 | elg | yes |
| 16:21.19 | Jayce^ | so I was wondering when you guys would ocmment on it needing to support ruby plugins.. |
| 16:22.01 | elg | heh. that's brailsmt's job. I am more pragmatist. I know every project in the world isn't going to bend over backwards to put ruby plugin support in. That's why I know perl too. :) |
| 16:22.11 | Hanuman | Can't you use INLINE with ruby? |
| 16:22.20 | Jayce^ | :) just nee to get them to support parrot.. |
| 16:22.21 | Hanuman | That would be scary |
| 16:22.22 | elg | I admit I don't know what INLINE is |
| 16:22.55 | Hanuman | INLINE allows embedded other programs to be written directly w/i a Perl Script/program |
| 16:23.16 | Hanuman | I'm more used to XS, though, which works a bit differently, and I believe just with C |
| 16:23.26 | Jayce^ | elg, INLINE::C, INLINE::Ruby, etc... |
| 16:23.39 | Jayce^ | like inline assembly code in your C/C++ script... |
| 16:23.53 | elg | oic. |
| 16:23.54 | Jayce^ | it's much nicer than using swig or XS imho.. |
| 16:24.13 | Hanuman | Probably much more readable |
| 16:24.20 | elg | ruby has C extensions if that's what you mean. From what I've heard they're not hard to do |
| 16:24.21 | Hanuman | and easier to configure |
| 16:24.24 | elg | brailsmt has done some |
| 16:24.45 | Hanuman | You could write a Perl plugin that uses INLINE::Ruby |
| 16:24.56 | Hanuman | why, I don't know |
| 16:24.57 | elg | indeed you could |
| 16:25.01 | Jayce^ | elg, I *think* ruby's c extensions are more like XS code.. |
| 16:25.38 | Hanuman | <shudder /> |
| 16:25.42 | Jayce^ | elg http://search.cpan.org/author/NEILW/Inline-Ruby-0.02/lib/Inline/Ruby.pod |
| 16:25.50 | elg | anyway, back to the topic. ;-) I don't see what there is to doing IM encryption that can't be done in a plugin (I've written a gaim plugin and so know the API) |
| 16:26.42 | elg | the only trick might be remembering the passphrase but I think using gpg-agent is more elegant anyway (although I don't have it working) |
| 16:26.51 | Jayce^ | elg, I know it uses the plugin architecture... |
| 16:30.05 | elg | but apparently also patches the source, and the necessity of that is what I question. |
| 16:39.56 | Jayce^ | yeah, I think it adds hooks that don't already exist to the send/receive message sections, and it adds two buttons to the message boxes.. |
| 16:40.09 | Jayce^ | I don't know if the plugin stuff supports that natively.. |
| 16:40.17 | Jayce^ | you probably know better than me. |
| 16:41.11 | Jayce^ | dang, my depeche mode mp3 directory is sitting at 3.9 gb right now... |
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| 16:57.59 | Jayce^ | SCO chief executive Darl McBride said SCO needed to be compensated for the infringement that had gone on with Linux. The "opportunity is in the multibillions of dollars", he says. |
| 16:57.59 | Jayce^ | The income would be used to continue funding the company's intellectual property legal actions and licencing initiatives, he said. |
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| 16:59.14 | Hanuman | Yeah - all that while he and other execs quickly sell all of their stock |
| 17:02.57 | Jayce^ | hearing him say "opportunity" really sounds like some mlm salesguy |
| 17:03.31 | Hanuman | Darl McBride reminds me in some ways of Steve Comer |
| 17:03.43 | Hanuman | I bet they're friends |
| 17:04.07 | Jayce^ | no joke. |
| 17:04.13 | Jayce^ | I've made the association myself.. |
| 17:04.20 | Hanuman | mmmm...G5 |
| 17:05.09 | elg | Jayce^: do you use agyptian? |
| 17:05.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, in kmail |
| 17:05.32 | Jayce^ | I don't use/know about all of the project, but I use the kmail part.. |
| 17:06.00 | elg | seems big, but is the user interface (not UI in the sense of a GUI but in the sense of setting things up) manageable? |
| 17:06.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, because it's getting merged into the newer tools.. |
| 17:07.01 | Jayce^ | right now on my mdk box, I just have to issue one command, then edit one single file (to start gpg-agent) and then it works.. |
| 17:08.03 | Hanuman | I actually used the full 20 Gb of my partition for my OS and programs yesterday. |
| 17:08.13 | Hanuman | Never thought that would happen. |
| 17:09.11 | Jayce^ | wow.. |
| 17:09.31 | Hanuman | It's a Windows machine for the moment, which could explain alot |
| 17:09.46 | Hanuman | but the majority of it is my games |
| 17:10.11 | Hanuman | UT2003 takes up 3 Gb |
| 17:10.37 | Jayce^ | I had to move my music videos off of my mp3 partition.. 20gb freed up that way... |
| 17:11.01 | Hanuman | Yeah - I have a 20Gb partition for videos and a 20Gb one for mp3s |
| 17:11.20 | Hanuman | The one for videos I use for my replaytv - they average 5 Gb each |
| 17:11.33 | Jayce^ | 80 gb for mp3's.. it's at 70% right now.. :( |
| 17:11.45 | Jayce^ | that's just my music videos.. |
| 17:11.55 | Hanuman | I'm tempted to get another 100 Gb HD just for media |
| 17:12.25 | Hanuman | 80 gb is pretty good. |
| 17:12.32 | Hanuman | my mp3s are at about 15 gb right now |
| 17:12.58 | emcnabb_ | wow, there's a lot going on this morning on #utah |
| 17:13.05 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 17:13.15 | Hanuman | (all of those are legal, ripped from my CD collection, BTW) |
| 17:13.23 | Jayce^ | riiiight :D |
| 17:13.31 | Hanuman | okay, most of them... |
| 17:13.59 | sjansen | All of my music is legal. Much of it from mp3.com |
| 17:14.00 | Hanuman | I've made a decision that I'm no longer downloading them any more unless I'm previewing or I already paid for them |
| 17:14.06 | Jayce^ | too many of mine are ones that you just can't buy.. bootlegs, limited edition singles, etc.. |
| 17:14.18 | Hanuman | like ones I own the tapes for and are much harder to rip |
| 17:14.31 | Jayce^ | I have spent way too much money on cd's myself though.. ripping mine took forever and a day.. |
| 17:14.37 | Hanuman | Jayce^: that's the fun of trying to find them in used CD stores |
| 17:14.46 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, old 45's.. those are a pain to find.. |
| 17:14.48 | Hanuman | downloading the mp3 is just too easy |
| 17:15.19 | Hanuman | I rip all mine to mp3pro format - very quick |
| 17:15.26 | Hanuman | Each CD takes like 2 mins to rip |
| 17:16.38 | Hanuman | Yeah - I also have some mp3s from old LP's I had when I DJ'd - much easier to just download the mp3 than to hook up the turntable, and get all the scratching, etc. of the record |
| 17:18.13 | Jayce^ | I do have to say, that napster, etc did help expand my music tastes.. especially audiogalaxy.. found a lot of bands I hadn't heard of before.. |
| 17:19.01 | Hanuman | I definitely agree with that. I've bought CDs just because I downloaded the mp3s first and liked them. |
| 17:19.17 | Hanuman | There's just something about owning a real CD of the music as well as the mp3 |
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| 17:21.08 | Hanuman | The mp3 is convenient, though |
| 17:22.07 | Hanuman | This whole mp3 thing has actually convinced me to go out and buy more CDs, because I feel guilty about all the mp3s I downloaded. |
| 17:22.16 | Jayce^ | but talk about bootlegs.. a friend has turned that into a real business... he started collecting bootlegs (concerts,etc) of his favorite band.. made a site to sell burned copies of them |
| 17:22.39 | Jayce^ | the band got in contact with him, because he had a better collection than them... so now he's their 'official' distributor... |
| 17:22.40 | Hanuman | That's cool - does he pay anything to the bands, or is he just risking it? |
| 17:23.00 | Hanuman | I guess the above answers that |
| 17:23.02 | Jayce^ | they had him do their own site finally too.. |
| 17:23.20 | Hanuman | I have an old coworker who did something similar - he's now the webmaster for Cracker |
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| 17:23.50 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you remember rc? caduceus? it's him.. |
| 17:24.01 | Hanuman | ahh...he has a lot of connections |
| 17:24.07 | Hanuman | great web-designer as well |
| 17:24.23 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. |
| 17:25.21 | Hanuman | I haven't talked to him in awhile - sounds like he's doing well, then. |
| 17:25.43 | Hanuman | Is it his designs that OGF keeps ripping up? |
| 17:28.04 | Jayce^ | yeah, his and jeremy's.. |
| 17:28.12 | Jayce^ | they massacre that sucker.. |
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| 17:37.58 | Jayce^ | hey HarleyPig, you just missed us comparing Darl McBride and Steve Comer :) |
| 17:39.27 | HarleyPig | I thought Darl McBride was a pseudonym for SC |
| 17:39.53 | Jayce^ | hehe... so you didn't miss the resemblance either.. |
| 17:40.05 | Jayce^ | two black eyes for byu graduates :) |
| 17:40.21 | HarleyPig | Nope. The first time I saw a pic I though "Holy crow ... they could be brothers." |
| 17:41.14 | Jayce^ | I was just counting on the business practices.. |
| 17:51.57 | Hanuman | I still laugh when he started getting on me for "ethics" of quitting when I did |
| 17:52.13 | Hanuman | I told him I wouldn't mention "ethics" if I were him |
| 17:56.19 | HarleyPig | ? You worked at sco? |
| 17:56.35 | Jayce^ | no, that's IDI |
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| 17:59.21 | Hanuman | It's easy to get the 2 confused |
| 17:59.52 | elg | Yeah, I confuse the 2 with the 3 all the time |
| 18:00.39 | HarleyPig | Heh |
| 18:00.54 | HarleyPig | Oh ... Hanuman is ... ok ... I'm slow, but I get there eventually. |
| 18:01.23 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:01.33 | Jayce^ | tag, you're it HarleyPig :) |
| 18:01.40 | HarleyPig | ibot, lart jayce^ |
| 18:01.57 | HarleyPig | wow |
| 18:02.12 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 18:02.22 | Jayce^ | ~lart HarleyPig's plunger |
| 18:02.23 | HarleyPig | *** POWER MOVE *** |
| 18:02.59 | HarleyPig | ibot, lart jayce^'s perl skills |
| 18:03.28 | neybar | lol |
| 18:03.29 | Jayce^ | ~lart HarleyPig's lack of perl skills |
| 18:03.37 | HarleyPig | Hey, thanks! |
| 18:03.40 | Jayce^ | rm -rf /dev/null ? |
| 18:04.25 | HarleyPig | ibot lart /dev/null |
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| 18:05.24 | Hanuman | head shot! |
| 18:05.40 | HarleyPig | Someone playing UT? |
| 18:05.54 | Hanuman | No - I was just using UT to comment on your larts |
| 18:06.02 | HarleyPig | Ah |
| 18:06.11 | HarleyPig | ibot lart Unreal Tournament |
| 18:06.18 | HarleyPig | AHHHHH! Noooo! |
| 18:06.27 | Jayce^ | bwahahah |
| 18:06.28 | Hanuman | At least I still have UT2003 |
| 18:06.33 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 18:06.48 | HarleyPig | BTW, I got Knoppix working... very cool. |
| 18:06.51 | Hanuman | I need to buy Unreal II sometime |
| 18:07.02 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, it working on your video fine then 'eh? |
| 18:07.06 | HarleyPig | I wish I could fit UT on a cd. |
| 18:07.07 | Jayce^ | you install it to the disk? |
| 18:07.09 | Hanuman | I downloaded the iso - I just need to put it on CD |
| 18:07.31 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: No ... the graphics part of either my video card or my monitors is bad. |
| 18:07.41 | HarleyPig | Probably the video card since it's happening with both monitors. |
| 18:08.56 | HarleyPig | I hope it's the video card ... that's only $100 ... if it's both monitors then that's gonna be $400 or thereabouts just to replace one monitor. |
| 18:08.57 | Jayce^ | probably.. |
| 18:09.14 | Jayce^ | should have a warranty on your card.. it's not very old. |
| 18:10.24 | Hanuman | Man - I got gyped on E-bay |
| 18:10.35 | Jayce^ | what? |
| 18:10.46 | Hanuman | The guy sends me a broken Mac, and then moves, so now I have no way of contacting him |
| 18:11.00 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 18:11.06 | Hanuman | The sad thing is he moved after I sent the Mac back to him through UPS |
| 18:11.18 | Hanuman | Now I'm going to have to go through E-bay's fraud, etc. |
| 18:11.30 | Hanuman | Luckily the item + shipping was only $50 total |
| 18:11.59 | Hanuman | I wish I had some better way to get his new contact info - E-bay lists no address |
| 18:12.06 | Hanuman | just a phone # and e-mail |
| 18:13.49 | HarleyPig | Already checked ... a 6 month warranty ... and it's been more than 6 months. |
| 18:14.04 | Jayce^ | only 6 month??? |
| 18:14.25 | Jayce^ | most places do a year |
| 18:15.12 | HarleyPig | It was uh ... Software and More ? Up by Affiliate (Umm ... Highland Drive?) |
| 18:16.25 | Hanuman | So, HarleyPig, what custom perl-based phrase should I put on my customized license plate (it has to be 7 chars or less) |
| 18:16.37 | elg | $_ |
| 18:16.56 | HarleyPig | perl e 42 |
| 18:16.56 | Hanuman | Not sure if the _ is allowed - that would be a cool one, though |
| 18:17.19 | HarleyPig | Make it do double duty. |
| 18:17.21 | Hanuman | spaces are counted as chars, so that would have to be all one word |
| 18:17.22 | Jayce^ | ooh, nice one harleypig.. |
| 18:17.34 | HarleyPig | It's still work: perle42 |
| 18:17.40 | HarleyPig | Jus be more obscure |
| 18:17.45 | HarleyPig | If that was possible |
| 18:18.20 | neybar | what does the 42 mean? I don't get it... :-( |
| 18:18.32 | *** join/#utah tensai (~tensai@dsl.dyn.02-59.budget.net) |
| 18:18.43 | HarleyPig | Someone hasn't read Douglas Adams. |
| 18:18.56 | HarleyPig | You need to turn in your geek badge. |
| 18:19.01 | neybar | lol |
| 18:19.23 | neybar | I get it now |
| 18:19.26 | Jayce^ | neybar, I'm dissapointed in you.. |
| 18:19.53 | Jayce^ | now, just see if 42 is available.. |
| 18:19.53 | neybar | hey! I was on a purely perl track there, 42 wasn't associating properly |
| 18:20.09 | Jayce^ | ~lart neybar's associative references... |
| 18:20.19 | HarleyPig | Let's try that again. |
| 18:20.28 | HarleyPig | ibot, lart neybar's associative references |
| 18:20.33 | HarleyPig | There we go. |
| 18:20.36 | Jayce^ | ooh |
| 18:20.46 | HarleyPig | Ancillary damage takes out the rest of his neurons. |
| 18:21.38 | Hanuman | cool - a worm's going around the net cleaning up the msblaster worm damage |
| 18:21.39 | Jayce^ | I remember a couple of years back seeing 'unix' taken in utah, on a green outback.. |
| 18:21.49 | Hanuman | wonder if Homeland Security had a hand in that one |
| 18:23.02 | sjansen | Hanuman: It'd probably be a more effective way for MS to release patches. |
| 18:23.27 | Hanuman | I agree with that one |
| 18:24.39 | Jayce^ | ~lart ms security and patch process |
| 18:24.40 | Hanuman | Man - this dmv website is really slow today |
| 18:24.52 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, it works at the speed of a dmv? |
| 18:25.03 | Hanuman | just about - lol |
| 18:25.35 | Hanuman | I wonder if they're getting hit with the anti-RPC-vulnerability worm |
| 18:27.50 | sjansen | mdir, what a lousy name for a command. |
| 18:28.28 | Jayce^ | for me, the worst is ci... |
| 18:28.38 | Jayce^ | beacuse I fat finger it or something when I want vi |
| 18:32.35 | elg | Jayce^: can't say I've ever done that |
| 18:32.40 | elg | sl, ototh |
| 18:32.51 | elg | (on the other third hand, I guess) |
| 18:33.11 | Jayce^ | wow, that could make life really easy.. having a third hand.. |
| 18:33.26 | elg | Jayce^: do you have sugar tax in your collection? |
| 18:34.37 | Jayce^ | [jayce@axis orchestral_manoeuvres_in_the_dark]$ pwd |
| 18:34.37 | Jayce^ | /mnt/storage/N-R/orchestral_manoeuvres_in_the_dark |
| 18:34.37 | Jayce^ | [jayce@axis orchestral_manoeuvres_in_the_dark]$ ls |
| 18:34.37 | Jayce^ | best_of_omd/ OMD - Dreaming (Ltd Ed Single)/ OMD - Liberator/ OMD - Sugar Tax/ OMD - Universal/ OMD - Wishful Thinking/ The OMD Remixes CD5/ |
| 18:34.39 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 18:39.08 | elg | how's the dreaming single? |
| 18:39.30 | elg | is liberator any good? when does universal fit in? |
| 18:43.11 | neybar | elg have you tried setting up smtp authentication when you did you big mail change over? |
| 18:43.38 | elg | no haven't looked at that yet |
| 18:45.23 | Hanuman | 42 isn't available for a license plate |
| 18:45.57 | elg | but when I do I'll read this http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.20/doc/html/spec.html |
| 18:46.06 | elg | section 32 |
| 18:46.35 | HarleyPig | How about fortyto |
| 18:47.58 | Hanuman | crap - someone took my PERL license plate - it was available at one time |
| 18:48.22 | HarleyPig | CodNakd |
| 18:49.24 | Hanuman | I don't know if I want to know what that stands for |
| 18:51.04 | Jayce^ | Code Naked |
| 18:51.20 | Hanuman | I just realized that |
| 18:51.41 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I was about to reply with that answer to plug, when I saw your message :D |
| 18:51.58 | HarleyPig | :] I want that. Just to see people doing double takes when they look at me and form mental images that'll haunt them in their sleep. |
| 18:53.03 | HarleyPig | Of course, y'all already have LEATHER BUTT THONG to haunt your dreams. :> |
| 18:53.06 | Hanuman | I originally thought it meant co-ed naked |
| 18:54.08 | Jayce^ | sjansen, while in brasil, did you ever hear the 'boca da garrafa' song/dance ? |
| 18:55.37 | sjansen | Nope. |
| 18:55.49 | sjansen | And the way this conversation is going, I don't want to. |
| 18:56.43 | Jayce^ | it was a big hit towards the end of my mission, and clasically something that missionaries had to try hard to avoid.. |
| 18:56.46 | sjansen | In other news, today is the first day they're forcing us to use a new Cisco VPN. So far I'm liking it. Every connection takes at least 30 seconds. Working with CVS, that give me alot of time to read Slashdot, etc. |
| 18:56.58 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 18:57.24 | HarleyPig | :> |
| 18:58.33 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you'd probably like some music videos I picked up the other day... Kraftwerk |
| 19:00.30 | Hanuman | I haven't heard them in a long time. |
| 19:02.02 | Hanuman | I may have to break the law here and download some |
| 19:02.52 | *** join/#utah emcnabb_ (~emcnabb@12-255-28-7.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:02.52 | *** join/#utah levi (~levi@208.177.141.226) |
| 19:03.06 | Jayce^ | actually, they are taken from mtv/etc.. so it's actually legal :) |
| 19:04.40 | Hanuman | hmmm...yes, I would like those videos |
| 19:07.38 | Jayce^ | willow soundtrack |
| 19:08.01 | Hanuman | Now I'm listening to Orbital |
| 19:08.14 | Jayce^ | orbital has some really good stuff |
| 19:08.24 | Hanuman | nm - this one's Moby |
| 19:08.36 | Hanuman | I was listening to orbital earlier |
| 19:08.56 | Hanuman | Another group I like is propellerheads |
| 19:09.58 | levi | Mmm, Orbital. |
| 19:10.35 | levi | I'm listening to Queen. |
| 19:12.06 | Hanuman | I like Queen, too - I sold my CD, though when I bought my wife's wedding ring. |
| 19:12.12 | Hanuman | I need to buy another one |
| 19:13.06 | emcnabb_ | I just got a ganglion cyst drained from my wrist; thats what i get from being on the computer so much |
| 19:13.22 | levi | Anyone going to see Radiohead on the 28th? |
| 19:13.31 | Jayce^ | a freind of mine is.. |
| 19:13.35 | Jayce^ | serious radiohead fan. |
| 19:13.42 | emcnabb_ | http://www.indianahandcenter.com/med_gang.html |
| 19:13.52 | Jayce^ | I actually dont' have any of their stuff myself, but he has everything of theirs.. |
| 19:13.56 | emcnabb_ | the very bottom picture is what i had |
| 19:14.24 | Jayce^ | eww |
| 19:16.32 | emcnabb_ | typing with just one hand sucks |
| 19:16.51 | Jayce^ | right or left hand? |
| 19:16.58 | HarleyPig | :] Try doing it with a grabby baby. |
| 19:17.18 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 19:17.27 | Hanuman | mmm...Michael Jackson |
| 19:18.16 | HarleyPig | You're a sick man. :> |
| 19:18.17 | emcnabb_ | typing with left hand becasuse right hand is down |
| 19:19.39 | Jayce^ | that's the worst.. had that happen in high school.. couple months of no mouse (right handed trackball at the time) and tough typeing.. |
| 19:20.12 | emcnabb_ | i just found out that i am too |
| 19:20.16 | emcnabb_ | :-) |
| 19:29.16 | Hanuman | man - I should have reserved my license plate while it was available. |
| 19:35.57 | Jayce^ | just tell them they are sore losers :) |
| 19:37.28 | Hanuman | My brother-in-law served his mission over here and he said they made the mistake of playing this in church in one of the Branches out in the middle of nowhere, and noone would sing it |
| 19:37.55 | Hanuman | I hometeach a guy with confederate flags all over his house |
| 19:44.03 | Hanuman | mmm...Beatles |
| 19:46.09 | sjansen | Hanuman: Just because of the history? (Which I just finished reading.) |
| 19:47.10 | Hanuman | Not quite sure - I truly think there are still some people over here who haven't quite grasped the fact that they lost the war |
| 19:47.39 | Hanuman | There was a big hissy-fit for awhile here in Richmond about an Abraham Lincoln statue being put up with Abe and his son sitting down together |
| 19:47.56 | neybar | anyone here good with exim? |
| 19:48.00 | Hanuman | All the pro-confederates were up in arms about putting such a statue up |
| 19:48.30 | Hanuman | neybar: I'm en efim or ayim man myself |
| 19:48.37 | Hanuman | s/en/an/ |
| 19:48.54 | neybar | never heard of those |
| 19:49.09 | neybar | d'oh |
| 19:49.42 | elg | neybar: i'm ok |
| 19:50.05 | neybar | I just installed exim and when I try to relay I get "Unexpected log failure, please try later" |
| 19:51.50 | Hanuman | Sorry - just had to say it |
| 19:54.15 | Jayce^ | neybar seems slow on the uptake today... |
| 19:54.21 | Jayce^ | must not be sleeping enough :) |
| 19:54.49 | neybar | the humor module isn't responding today |
| 19:57.46 | tensai | neybar: what version of exim? |
| 19:57.50 | Hanuman | he's not plugin-compatible |
| 19:58.01 | neybar | I actually just fixed that problem |
| 19:58.44 | Jayce^ | so neybar, you just trying out every possible mta/pop/imap/filter system out there? |
| 20:05.02 | neybar | no, I want to be able to do smtp authentication and I can't get postfix to play. Exim looks like it can do it no problem so I am giving it a whirl |
| 20:05.32 | Jayce^ | I saw a doc on doing it in postfix last week, via sasl.. haven't tried it though |
| 20:05.50 | neybar | yeah, I tried using sasl, I gave up after a week |
| 20:06.51 | Hanuman | "Microsoft killed the windowsupdate.com domain. |
| 20:06.51 | Hanuman | Did anyone else read this with the tune of "video killed the radio star" playing in their head? |
| 20:06.54 | Hanuman | " |
| 20:06.59 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 20:07.01 | Hanuman | From /. |
| 20:07.14 | Jayce^ | now, did you hear the original, or the new erasure version :) |
| 20:07.24 | Hanuman | Is there a new erasure version? |
| 20:07.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, the new "Other Peoples Songs" cd... last track |
| 20:08.05 | Jayce^ | quite a fun cd.. |
| 20:08.26 | Jayce^ | title track is Solsbury Hill :) good remake.. |
| 20:10.08 | Hanuman | Do they have an official website? |
| 20:10.47 | Hanuman | I want to listen to samples - don't they even have something like that? |
| 20:10.54 | Jayce^ | erasure.org or .com has a link If I remember correctly.. |
| 20:11.31 | Hanuman | found it - they link to Amazon to buy the CD - Amazon has samples, but not the entire CD |
| 20:11.38 | Hanuman | That's just stupid |
| 20:12.21 | Hanuman | See - this is why people download mp3's |
| 20:13.06 | Hanuman | From what they give, this is a cool CD |
| 20:13.13 | Hanuman | I wonder if BMG Music offers it |
| 20:13.25 | Jayce^ | probably not.. |
| 20:13.42 | Jayce^ | erasure has had to do a lot of independant promotion.. since they aren't the flavors of the month kinda group now.. |
| 20:14.12 | Hanuman | This is a CD I'll have to get - I like CD's like this |
| 20:14.29 | Hanuman | I like everyday |
| 20:14.33 | Jayce^ | it's really good.. I have the first single too, and it of course has some good b-tracks |
| 20:15.54 | elg | Hanuman: http://fugal.net:8888/erasure/other_peoples_songs/ |
| 20:16.00 | elg | how's that for samples? |
| 20:16.11 | Jayce^ | :) now where'd you get that :) |
| 20:17.34 | Hanuman | elg: tnx - that's what I was hoping for - I'll blame this one on Erasure not letting me listen from their website |
| 20:17.42 | Jayce^ | that the new server.. |
| 20:18.04 | Jayce^ | gnump3d.. never heard of that one. |
| 20:18.14 | elg | Jayce^: not yet. it's actually an ssh tunnel from my home box |
| 20:18.19 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 20:20.15 | elg | while you're there be sure to sample http://fugal.net:8888/muppets/The_Muppet_Show_Theme.ogg |
| 20:20.32 | elg | which I got from the muppets web site itself |
| 20:20.36 | elg | (not in ogg format, though) |
| 20:20.43 | Jayce^ | was about to ask that.. |
| 20:21.51 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:21.57 | Jayce^ | strange.. |
| 20:21.59 | elg | Hanuman: it could also be my wife starting openoffice. ;-) |
| 20:22.02 | Hanuman | quick - lets see if we can crash elg's server |
| 20:22.07 | Hanuman | lol |
| 20:22.21 | Jayce^ | that can bring decent systems to their knees :) |
| 20:24.20 | elg | and be sure to listen to the niels fugal readings (/niels_fugal) - shoop scovel is beset |
| 20:24.56 | Hanuman | cool - I won a lottery in the Netherlands that I never entered! Quick - anyone got a bank account # I can give them? |
| 20:31.34 | Bradipo | Anyone here know apache well? |
| 20:31.46 | Jayce^ | depends on what you are doing |
| 20:32.02 | Bradipo | I have a simple script that is not working when used with SSL. |
| 20:32.11 | Bradipo | All it does is dump the environment variables. |
| 20:32.23 | Bradipo | It works fine if I use http://url/cgi-bin/script |
| 20:32.24 | Jayce^ | cgi or mod_*? |
| 20:32.28 | Bradipo | BUt if I use https: it fails. |
| 20:32.33 | Bradipo | shell script. |
| 20:32.41 | Bradipo | Using mod_ssl. |
| 20:32.55 | Jayce^ | are you sure you started as ssl (apachectl startssl) ? |
| 20:32.59 | Bradipo | Yes. |
| 20:33.00 | sjansen | What've you got in your error_log? |
| 20:33.13 | Bradipo | This is the fun part---the error_log... |
| 20:33.15 | Bradipo | Here goes: |
| 20:33.31 | sjansen | And how did you come by the apache you're using? Compiled yourself, rpm, etc? |
| 20:33.40 | Bradipo | [Mon Aug 18 14:30:11 2003] [error] [client x.x.x.x] (2)No such file or di |
| 20:33.40 | Bradipo | rectory: getpwuid: invalid userid -1 |
| 20:33.46 | Bradipo | rpm installed. |
| 20:33.52 | Bradipo | Brand new install of UnitedLinux. |
| 20:34.11 | Bradipo | (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: invalid userid -1 |
| 20:34.17 | Bradipo | That's the error that I'm getting. |
| 20:37.20 | Bradipo | And yes, I am authenticated. |
| 20:37.35 | Jayce^ | hrmm, that is wierd.. |
| 20:43.32 | Bradipo | Yeah, it is. |
| 20:43.35 | Bradipo | Very weird. |
| 20:43.45 | Bradipo | Not only that, it seems to only be the cgi-bin directory. |
| 20:43.56 | Bradipo | I can browse the web pages via https just fine. |
| 20:44.07 | Bradipo | It's only the scripts in cgi-bin that have the problem. |
| 20:44.13 | Bradipo | When run via https. |
| 20:44.31 | Jayce^ | any way we can look at your conf? |
| 20:45.13 | Jayce^ | specifically where your cgi-bin alias is defined (and if there are more than one links to that) |
| 20:45.33 | Bradipo | Yeah, I suppose so. |
| 20:45.37 | Bradipo | You mean the mod_ssl.conf? |
| 20:46.13 | Jayce^ | well, maybe, but should have everything associated with this in just httpd.conf |
| 20:46.23 | Jayce^ | at least associated with cgi-bin.. |
| 20:46.43 | Jayce^ | see if the mod_ssl.conf makes any changes to Execcgi, or your cgi-bin alias |
| 20:47.23 | Bradipo | Actually, it's not. |
| 20:47.27 | Bradipo | It's all in mod_ssl.conf |
| 20:47.32 | Bradipo | We Include mod_ssl.conf |
| 20:47.42 | Bradipo | And the path where the cgi-bin is, is not the default path. |
| 20:48.26 | Bradipo | Also, we're moving from apache 1.2.19 to 1.2.26. :-) |
| 20:48.33 | Bradipo | Er 1.3.19 to 1.3.26 |
| 20:48.56 | Bradipo | Everything works fine except the cgi scripts in SSL. |
| 20:49.25 | Jayce^ | well, mod_ssl did change a bit between those versions.. |
| 20:49.33 | Jayce^ | had to fix that nasty exploit |
| 20:50.01 | Bradipo | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/192/1998/2/0/2257192/ |
| 20:50.09 | Bradipo | This guy seems to be experiencing something similar. |
| 20:50.12 | Jayce^ | well, you could load an apachetoolbox install, and compare the differences.. |
| 20:51.39 | Bradipo | Hmm, maybe. |
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| 21:52.27 | neybar | anyone familiar with how PAM works? |
| 22:04.35 | Jayce^ | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/cnet/stories/5065286.htm |
| 22:04.46 | Jayce^ | now sco is also saying XFS breaks the contracts.. |
| 22:04.57 | Jayce^ | and they announced that they will start supporting USB now... |
| 22:05.06 | Jayce^ | enterprise my arse.. |
| 22:05.14 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 22:08.08 | Jayce^ | "We are defending and protecting our intellectual property rights, and this is a huge raging battle around the globe," said SCO Chief Executive Officer Darl McBride. "We are fighting battles that are going to have an impact on all of you," he added. "At the end of the day, the GPL (the GNU General Public License software license that governs Linux) is about making software free; it's about destroying value." |
| 22:10.26 | Jayce^ | http://www.itworld.com/Man/2681/030818scocase/ |
| 22:14.49 | elg | ~lart SCO |
| 22:15.37 | Jayce^ | man, that's just sad... and of course, mcbride feels all good telling this to his resellers.. |
| 22:16.01 | Jayce^ | I can't believe the last quote in the second article.. "It's the final nail in the coffin"... *bull* |