| 00:10.12 | Jayce^ | looks like a fun storm is coming in. |
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| 04:44.14 | Hanuman | anyone awake in here? |
| 04:44.58 | emcnabb | that's debatable in my case :-) |
| 04:45.34 | emcnabb | must keep eyes open... |
| 04:45.36 | Hanuman | hehe...I got to see Google's tremendous rack of Linux servers today - very cool. |
| 04:45.50 | Hanuman | (one of their tremendous racks) |
| 04:46.00 | emcnabb | nice! |
| 04:46.05 | emcnabb | how was it? |
| 04:46.21 | Hanuman | Man - this server hosting facility is sooo secure |
| 04:46.26 | Jayce^ | lucky |
| 04:46.31 | Hanuman | I had to enter 5 doors just to get in |
| 04:46.38 | emcnabb | wow! |
| 04:46.45 | Hanuman | all requiring a key-code and handprint scan |
| 04:46.50 | emcnabb | I heard they have about 10,000 boxes in their clusters |
| 04:47.03 | emcnabb | that's just a rumor though |
| 04:47.04 | Hanuman | the second-to-last requiring a guard to manually open |
| 04:47.12 | Hanuman | That looked like it could be right |
| 04:47.21 | Hanuman | I just saw rack upon rack of Linux boxen |
| 04:47.23 | emcnabb | what were you doing there? |
| 04:47.28 | emcnabb | sweet... |
| 04:47.51 | Hanuman | We are looking at moving our servers to that facility - our hosting facility was bought out by a company that has space in there |
| 04:48.13 | neybar | san jose? |
| 04:48.30 | Hanuman | This place will call in the National Guard in the event of an emergency, and has capabilities to do so |
| 04:48.37 | Hanuman | Northern VA |
| 04:48.56 | Hanuman | This is only one of Google's hosting locations |
| 04:49.05 | neybar | I have been to one of their facilities in SJ was at global crossing, not sure who maintains it now. |
| 04:49.14 | Hanuman | The location has false doors all around the outside |
| 04:49.44 | Hanuman | Department of Homeland Security was visiting them just the other day to get tips on how to build their own secure location |
| 04:49.56 | neybar | lol |
| 04:50.13 | Hanuman | I have to admit I've never seen anything like it. I felt like I had cameras even watching me go to the bathroom. |
| 04:50.35 | emcnabb | now that's scary |
| 04:50.51 | Hanuman | It was cool, though |
| 04:51.06 | neybar | Actually there is a facility similar to that here in utah. The company is called Consonus. They have a really cool building too. |
| 04:51.31 | emcnabb | how would you like to be the guy who had to review those tapes of other guys taking a dump:-) |
| 04:51.44 | Hanuman | About every access provider had access points there - I saw Qwest, Verizon, 3-point, etc |
| 04:51.45 | neybar | same sort of security measures, security cards, hand scanners, guards etc. |
| 04:51.48 | emcnabb | or did they just watch you go into the bathroom? |
| 04:52.32 | Hanuman | emcnabb: I don't know if they had cameras or not - probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did - I've never seen higher security than this place |
| 04:53.01 | Hanuman | neybar: I've heard about Consonus |
| 04:54.02 | Hanuman | Verio usually has similar somewhat secure facilities. |
| 04:54.40 | Hanuman | This place has connections with the government, though, and already has commitments to have troops flown over in the even of an emergency like 911 |
| 04:54.56 | Hanuman | I thought that was really cool |
| 04:55.31 | Hanuman | Many of the nation's DMV's also connect in this building |
| 04:57.08 | Hanuman | Also, when you use your credit card, if certain suspicious things are bought around the same time, this place is the place that collaborates that data so the Feds can be knocking on your door the next day |
| 04:58.33 | emcnabb | my dad worked as a computer security consultant at NATO for a while in Belgium; he told me about some of the stuff they had there... I guess he was in the room next to where they were leading the strike forces in the Yugoslavian war |
| 04:59.06 | Hanuman | government technology is very cool sometimes if they figure out how to use it |
| 04:59.23 | emcnabb | that's the problem he was addressing |
| 05:00.17 | Hanuman | I think Homeland Security is finally beginning to get it |
| 05:00.42 | emcnabb | yeah, and it's sad that it takes some terrorist attacks to make them worry about security |
| 05:00.52 | Hanuman | yup |
| 05:01.30 | Hanuman | I've been thinking alot lately how the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" attitude gets us into way too much trouble |
| 05:01.42 | Hanuman | It's a good attitude for some things, but in others, it can't be followed |
| 05:03.25 | emcnabb | my dad had a meeting last yeah with Richard Clarke (Bush's old security advisor) out in washington; he said he was actually a really nice guy who knew a lot |
| 05:04.56 | Hanuman | I would find it interesting to know why we don't spend more time preventing - is it because there is too much beuracracy, or are we just making dumb decisions? |
| 05:05.55 | emcnabb | I think both |
| 05:06.37 | Hanuman | Perhaps a number of people making dumb decisions, while the really smart people are being left out of the loop or are being ignored |
| 05:06.56 | emcnabb | this whole last week we've had to deal with security issues at work; we realized that we could have just taken a few more steps to make things more secure (we didn't get hacked, but there were some attempts) |
| 05:07.47 | Hanuman | It's usually those few steps that make a big difference |
| 05:07.56 | emcnabb | off topic: http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84078,00.html |
| 05:10.34 | emcnabb | its about time... |
| 05:11.12 | Hanuman | SCO will still believe that the silent majority is on their side - it's this dream world they're in |
| 05:11.23 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 05:11.39 | Hanuman | They have no concept of the free software world, nor any idea of its power |
| 05:11.58 | emcnabb | favorite quote: "No one wants to have their systems held for ransom by the rough equivalent of a pirate." |
| 05:12.17 | Hanuman | Whether IBM loses or wins this case, OSS still survives and becomes stronger |
| 05:12.18 | Hanuman | hehe |
| 05:12.35 | Hanuman | I liked that guy's comments as well |
| 05:13.21 | emcnabb | well, I better get to sleep |
| 05:14.10 | Hanuman | me, too - it's 1 am here |
| 05:15.33 | Hanuman | weird - last time I installed Windows SP4 it hosed my server. I uninstalled it and just reinstalled it, not really any changes between, and all of the sudden it's working now. |
| 05:15.42 | Hanuman | that's Windows for you |
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| 17:28.27 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> No, we don't really like SCO... | Happy 10th birthday Debian! |
| 17:37.51 | emcnabb | hans, I just found a cool vim plugin (gtk2 syntax highlighting) |
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| 18:33.50 | hans | huh? |
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| 21:30.28 | harleypig | Is it possible for just the graphics part of a monitor to go bad? |
| 21:31.45 | harleypig | ummm ... I mean ... textmode works ok, but graphics mode (like what X uses) isn't working. |
| 21:32.40 | harleypig | Or could it be the video card acting up? |
| 21:33.13 | emcnabb | I would think it's something to do with the video card or the drivers |
| 21:33.53 | harleypig | Hmmm ... I was finally able to get some 80min cds and get knoppix burned. |
| 21:35.57 | harleypig | When knoppix boots it detects everything correctly (very amazing and cool to watch) but when it gets to X it gives me flashes of screen the looks like the scan lines are offset by a few pixels in opposite directions. |
| 21:36.55 | harleypig | Then the screen goes black and goes into power save mode. If I press Ctrl-Alt-Del *and* then <enter> X dies |
| 21:37.26 | harleypig | I have yet to test this on my hard drive system, but it seems to me that should work. |
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| 21:49.32 | emcnabb | harleypig, I had the exact same thing happen to me several weeks ago when I was demoing knoppix on my friend's computer |
| 22:02.00 | harleypig | emcnabb: what happened? |
| 22:02.26 | harleypig | I mean ... were you able to fix it and if so, what was worng? |
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| 22:03.13 | TimRiker | Mecworks: I've started moving rikers.org over here. rsync is throttled. Holler if I'm causing grief. |
| 22:08.25 | emcnabb | harleypig, I just gave up, couldn't figure it out |
| 22:11.57 | harleypig | *sigh* Oh well. I guess I'll have to limp along as I am now for awhile. At least text mode still works and I've got connectivity. |
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| 23:48.16 | brailsmt | anyone know where one can get their hands on a copy of Revolution OS, prefereably to rent... |
| 23:48.58 | brailsmt | or borrow... |
| 23:50.47 | emcnabb | brailsmt, I have a copy |