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00:09.51hans2003-08-14 18:09:31 H=(falcon) [192.168.1.1] U=fugalh F=<hans@fugal.net> rejected RCPT hans@huan: Unrouteable address
00:10.23hansbut fugalh@huan works. hans is in /etc/aliases as hans: fugalh@falcon.rn.byu.edu
00:12.27hanshmm, but changing aliases to say hans@vader.fugal.net works. must have resolved falcon.rn.byu.edu and seen that it was local (10.foo...)
00:12.32hansstill it should try to deliver that eh?
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02:58.36Jayce^just a note... procmail doesn't like folders with spaces in the names..
02:59.10hansJayce^: you of all people, i would expect better from
03:08.39Jayce^hey... why?
03:08.46Jayce^perl knows what spaces are in a regex..
03:08.52hansafter such diligence in the names of your mp3w
03:09.05Jayce^yeah yeah yeah
03:10.10Jayce^so you figure out if it was the slot or the stick?
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03:12.03hansJayce^: haven't messed with it. one or the other though cuz it hasn't given me trouble since (haven't rebooted since either)
03:13.14Jayce^cool, glad to see it's working out for you.
03:13.23Jayce^just a little faster than your last server?
03:13.34hansyah
03:14.50hansmy usb trackball keeps cutting out (using hotplug)
03:14.58hansit didn't do this very often with usbmgr but occasionally
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03:15.47hansi'm modprobing usbmouse explicitly with hotplug off (hotplug seems to use hid)
03:15.59hansmaybe that will help. we'll see if the mouse is gone in the morn
03:16.49Jayce^man, sounds like problems I had with my first usbmouse..  but that was several years and kernels ago..
03:16.59Jayce^then again, your using debian, so that puts it about the same :D :D
03:17.13Jayce^just had to add that last jab....
03:17.22hans~lart Jayce%
03:17.23hans:)
03:17.29hansactually this is kernel 2.4.21
03:18.05hansseems to be kernel-agnostic for the most part
03:18.29Jayce^got my bandwidth back...   just grabbed freebsd 5.1 for one of my old 350's..
03:22.05hansblast. the debian kernel-source maintainer decided to backport some whiz-bang thing from 2.5 and it breaks cipe compilation
03:22.26hansguess I'll run 2.4.20 in the meantime (or get a vanilla kernel if I feel badly enough about 2.4.21)
03:28.18emcnabbhans, can you install the new version of phpldapadmin on phantom?
03:29.01emcnabbJayce^, Dave Smith is the guy to do it
03:29.07emcnabbhe knows LDAP really well
03:29.09Jayce^especially on setting it up for home use..
03:29.17emcnabbhe'd love to do it
03:29.18Jayce^cool, I'll have to have you ask him :D
03:29.30Jayce^my boss set it up at work, and I really want it at home now..
03:29.32emcnabb:-)
03:29.41emcnabbok, I'll ask him for you
03:30.38Jayce^if he could do it next month, it would be awesome (let me catch up on some mod_perl2 stuff before I do my mod_perl presentation)..
03:31.12emcnabbok, I'll ask him
03:31.16emcnabbwhat day would that be on?
03:32.14Jayce^2nd wednesday
03:32.22Jayce^the 10th
03:32.29emcnabbin September
03:32.30emcnabb?
03:32.37Jayce^yeah
03:35.18emcnabbok, I asked him
03:37.08Jayce^sweet
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03:43.57slag6900you kids actually utah?
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14:10.15slag6900anyone awake here?
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14:12.55Jayce^yeah
14:14.01emcnabbum... kind of...
14:15.33slag6900nice
14:16.22fundleyou guyes actually in utah?
14:17.34fundleyou guys in utah
14:17.37Jayce^most are
14:19.38fundlemormons i wonder
14:19.56fundlei'm the one utah boy who aint i think
14:20.46emcnabbI am, but there are some that aren't (that I know of)
14:21.08emcnabbwhere do you live?
14:21.17fundlei'm in salt lake
14:21.53fundlethis is amazing an IRC channel with like 2 girls in it.
14:22.19emcnabbwell, I'm off to work; later all
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14:28.04fundledamn it i just looked at the clock.
14:33.46elg2 girls?
14:38.05elgHanuman: did you get some of that power outage yesterday?
14:39.30elgis it bad news to name an opensource project after a star trek character? Will paramount chase me down?
14:41.41emcnabbno, but I will... Star Trek sucks!!!
14:43.23emcnabbit should have died 20 years ago!
14:47.33fundlestar trek is my friend
14:48.58fundlebut don't listen to me i'm just some random newb who's wandered in.
14:49.24emcnabb:-)
14:49.41sjansenDepends on the character as to how cool the name is.
14:50.23sjansenFor example, Kirk would be a lousy name. Tribble is getting better. The more obscure, the better. (In my book.)
14:52.31fundlename it after that giant burrowing pizzia mutant thing.
14:53.00emcnabbhow about SCOtty?
14:53.04fundlepizza i mean
14:53.20elg~lart emcnabb
14:53.38elgi'm sure obscure names wouldn't be an issue
14:53.46fundleLoser Attitude Readjustment Tool.
14:53.47elgI'm thinking neelix - it's a recipe management program
14:54.20elgso it's a main (costar) character from voyager
14:55.10emcnabbI still like SCOtty
14:55.43elgsee if you can get SCO and Paramount to duel eachother? :)
14:56.19emcnabboh yeah!
14:56.27emcnabbwell, now I'm really off to work
15:07.30sjansenWell, I suppose neelix is appropriate. But too obvious.
15:08.21elgobvious?
15:08.39sjansenEveryone has an opinion of Star Trek. Too many will think the name uncreative.
15:09.01sjansenWhat you really want to do is hide the origin from all but the most hard core fans. (Who'll love you for picking it.)
15:09.08sjansenAgain, just my opinion.
15:09.41elgtrue, but it also needs to be apparent to the majority from the name what it is (not that neelix fits that either)
15:09.53elgbut at least casual star trek watchers would make the connection
15:09.54sjansenPerhaps there was a civilization known for good cooking? I know there've been a few focused on pleasure, and maybe that's close enough.
15:10.30elgeven better would be a LoTR reference
15:10.44sjansenDefinetly more cool points in my book.
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15:11.38elgmaybe butterbur
15:11.47elgsounds like food
15:12.05elgonly hardcore fans would recognize the name
15:12.17sjansenI like it. Although still not obvious what it is.
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15:12.27sjansenButterbur Recipe Manager
15:12.29synichans: you just join conference.jabber.org?
15:12.37elghuh?
15:12.56synicguess not
15:12.57elgsjansen: for a long name that sounds good
15:13.37sjansenUse butterbur as branding, then a name descriptive name. Microsoft actually does a good job of this. Word, Internet Exploer, etc.
15:14.34elgor maybe I'll just call it chef
15:14.37sjansenMost documentation would simply refer to it as butterbur, the command would be butterbur, but on the home page and in application menus it could use the full name for users to know what it is.
15:15.12sjansenJust not MyChef. I'd have to track you down and beat you.
15:15.24elghow about iChef? :)
15:15.28elgditto
15:15.32elgfooChef
15:15.48elgswedishchef
15:16.05sjansenWell, the "i" things is a little less annoying. But I'm betting its taken if you try a google.
15:16.46sjanseniChef would actually be a very marketable name as most people probably understand more or less what it did.
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15:17.03elgyeah, iChef is taken
15:17.51elgi'll talk it over with Jacob. We'll probably go with chef or butterbur.
15:20.28elghttp://www.tvguidelive.com/celebchef/recipes/lord-of-the-rings.html
15:20.35elgeleventy-first birthday cake
15:26.06elghttp://www.ledgecentral.com/lotrmupp.htm
15:26.09elgthat's hilarious.
15:30.35Jayce^don't like beaker as saruman though...
15:30.51elgme either. I think the eagle would be a good saruman
15:30.56elghe'd be good as elrond too
15:30.57Jayce^yeah
15:31.13Jayce^I like the merry/pippen casting..
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15:34.40elgif a program uses dlopen to load a shared library, does it look in LD_LIBRARY_PATH first to find it?
15:38.59sjansenIt should. In fact, I think it has to.
15:39.21elghmm
15:41.14sjansendlopen loads a dynamic library from the file named by the  null  termi-
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15:56.02elgi'm glad you did
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16:18.20elgdo you figure they serve food at the prancing pony? I do.
16:19.58sjansenYou talking LoTR?
16:20.03elgyeah
16:20.17sjansenWithout a doubt.
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16:21.50sanchohey all
16:22.14sanchowhat's the easiest way to do a net install of Debian?
16:22.37leviI didn't know there was more than one way.
16:22.41elgsancho: grab a net install CD and install it
16:22.42sanchoI checked out debian.org and found a series of 6 or 7 or something binary discs...
16:22.59sanchobut they have have the jigdo thing too...
16:23.09elgsancho: there's a special smaller net install disc, but just grabbing disc one (via jigdo or a mirror) will do the trick too.
16:23.55sanchoelg: can you reference the netinstall disc on thier site? I'd expect to find it at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ but...
16:24.21sancho(desired stable, not testing)
16:28.16elgthe netinst disk iirc is only testing
16:28.55elgno, there are some stable one
16:28.56elgs
16:28.58elghttp://debian.org/CD/netinst/
16:29.15elgi've used the LordSutch one before, works fine.
16:31.21elgi think I'll call it RMS (recipe management system). Ricky won't mind eh?
16:37.26sanchohow quickly is the release cycle for debian? I think I remember 3.0 being around a while..?
16:37.36elgit's been about a year and a half
16:37.43elgno, take that back
16:37.44elgabout a year
16:37.50elgjuly or june of last year
16:37.56elgsancho: "When it's ready"
16:44.05sanchothat's good.
16:44.16sanchono arms race development strategy.
16:44.34sancho"but debian isn't up to Linux version 9 yet?" :)
16:44.58elg:)
16:45.58sjansenelg: I love the name RMS.
16:49.15sjansenYou will, of course, include references to Free Software in some of the references.
16:49.49elgGNU/RMS
16:50.58sjansenAnd mysteriously refuse store any references to humble pie.
16:51.20sjansens/references/recipes/ in my last two comments.
16:55.15sanchohow eh.. odd
16:55.30sanchoelg: you know that ISO you reccomended for woody-stable?
16:55.50sanchoIt appears to redirect to mirrors.xmission.net
16:56.09sanchowhich results in a notice saying, "Sorry, no big ISOs for you."
16:59.44elghmm. I get an unresolvable address (not xmission). but there's 4 other woody choices
17:01.06sanchothat was #1, #2 is timing out.
17:01.18sancho(Eure's)
17:01.41sancho#3 is netinst floppies, it says..
17:02.13sanchopeople.debian.org not responding, from my address.
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22:24.13synicso who's good with ssh?
22:24.18synicI have myself a slight problem
22:26.32sjansenWhat's the question?
22:27.00synicI have a freebsd server that has two network interfaces
22:27.13synicI will be sshed into it and doing whatever, and suddenly get disconnected
22:27.19synicconnection reset by peer
22:27.32synicafter that the server refuses ssh connections on either interface
22:27.41synicsshd is still running, and other services allow connections
22:27.48synicI have to go to the server and restart sshd
22:28.02sjansenWhat version of ssh are you using?
22:28.06synicit happens without fail every time I am sshed in
22:28.16synicwhat version of sshd or ssh on the client?
22:28.25sjansensshd
22:28.39synicwhatever comes default on freebsd 4.8 - one sec, I'll find it
22:29.49sjansenIs this after a period of inactivity?
22:31.10synic3.4
22:31.15synicno, it's while I'm doing something
22:31.42synicoh wait, it's 3.5
22:33.49sjansenAnything in your system logs?
22:34.13synicI dunno, I'd have to look.  Where would you recommend looking?
22:35.40sjansenI'm not a FreeBSD user. OpenSSH should be logging to syslog. On my system, it gets split into multiple files in /var/log
22:36.09sjansenYou could also try connecting with ssh -vvvvv and seeing what it says.
22:36.12synicok, I'm going to walk over there.
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23:05.49elghappy birthday debian
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