| 00:27.09 | Jayce^ | yipee |
| 00:27.27 | emcnabb__ | Jayce^, you sound happy |
| 00:27.45 | Jayce^ | was commenting on hans' results |
| 00:27.56 | emcnabb__ | cool |
| 00:28.29 | emcnabb__ | I'm sorry |
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| 13:17.20 | elg | foxtrot today is good |
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| 13:58.18 | Hanuman | good morning |
| 14:04.28 | elg | nothing like reaching memory allocation zen in C |
| 14:04.38 | elg | c++ in this case, I guess |
| 14:09.12 | Hanuman | pointers? |
| 14:11.12 | Hanuman | I agree, foxtrot is good - when did they start promoting Linux? |
| 14:15.59 | elg | Hanuman: in this case it was realizing I could let the STL handle my memory allocation for me. :) |
| 14:16.13 | elg | Hanuman: he's mentioned it (via Jason) many times |
| 14:17.02 | elg | I remember one where he and marcus were talking about installing linux in 5 or 10 minutes. whatever the context was made it funny |
| 14:17.42 | elg | and of course with the whole iFruit thing Jason has the standard geek reaction to cute/fuzzy computesr |
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| 14:47.33 | Hanuman | what program opens .pcx files? |
| 14:48.30 | elg | what is a .pcx file? |
| 14:49.25 | Hanuman | that's what I want to know - a coworker wants me to print them out. |
| 14:49.50 | Hanuman | Googling, it looks like it's just a graphics file format |
| 14:49.51 | elg | something deep inside from my tainted past thinks they are image files from MS Paint |
| 14:50.07 | Hanuman | developed by ZSoft for PC Paintbrush |
| 14:53.31 | Hanuman | yup - looks like it's recognized |
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| 15:15.48 | Mecworks | Does anyone know if Linux supports any 802.11b USB devices? |
| 15:17.28 | Mecworks | I'm wondering as I am looking at getting one of the shuttle PC and probably need the free PCI slot for a better quality sound card than whats onboard. |
| 15:18.50 | Jayce^ | I've heard that some are supported.. |
| 15:19.14 | Jayce^ | but I would avoid them.. |
| 15:21.54 | Mecworks | Yea, I have the same feeling. but I'll only have one free PCI slot....hm. what to do... |
| 15:45.38 | elg | anyone know how to cook a brat in a toaster oven? |
| 15:50.40 | elg | or a microwave... |
| 15:51.38 | Hanuman | nope - have you checked google? |
| 15:54.39 | elg | lots of howto grill |
| 15:55.09 | Hanuman | hmmm... |
| 15:57.32 | Hanuman | A friend of mine in culinary arts school just said via IM to defrost it |
| 15:58.17 | Hanuman | ie cook in microwave on defrost |
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| 16:01.17 | elg | and then... |
| 16:01.21 | elg | or is that all? |
| 16:02.03 | Hanuman | just a sec...let me ask |
| 16:03.46 | Hanuman | "defrost for 30 seconds per pound at 10% of regular power. if they're really bratty, they deserve the slow and painful method." |
| 16:04.42 | Mecworks | So, anyone have oppinions on the shuttle computers? |
| 16:05.34 | elg | Mecworks: they'd better work? :) |
| 16:05.42 | elg | space shuttle? |
| 16:05.59 | Mecworks | Ha ha...no. http://us.shuttle.com/ |
| 16:06.06 | elg | Hanuman: wouldn't that be 30 minutes per pound? |
| 16:06.14 | elg | or maybe not. |
| 16:06.27 | elg | just seems like 30 seconds at 10% wouldn't quite cook a brat |
| 16:07.44 | Hanuman | just a sec - I think he misunderstood me |
| 16:10.27 | Hanuman | okay - he's now recommending the toaster oven |
| 16:10.31 | Hanuman | "the canadian rule of thunb on fish is 10 minutes per inch (thick, not long). try that." |
| 16:17.57 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, you talking to Joe about a brat in a toaster? |
| 16:18.22 | Jayce^ | that sounds like him... |
| 16:19.19 | Hanuman | yeah |
| 16:19.36 | Hanuman | he cracks me up - I love talking food with him |
| 16:20.53 | Jayce^ | I don't see him online now.. |
| 16:23.50 | Hanuman | He's there - "Perl Hoser" |
| 16:24.19 | Jayce^ | aim? icq? I usually get him through aim now.. |
| 16:24.23 | Hanuman | aim |
| 16:24.30 | Hanuman | I'm seeing him |
| 16:25.37 | elg | Hanuman: ask him what temp... e.g. 450 degrees... or maybe broil? |
| 16:26.20 | Jayce^ | no wonder Hanuman, had the group minimized.. |
| 16:26.55 | Hanuman | ahh... |
| 16:28.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, he's the reason my aim nick is perlriffic... it wasnt' until we started working together that I found he had gotten 'perl hoser' before me.. |
| 16:28.21 | Hanuman | elg: I'm trying to find out |
| 16:29.17 | Hanuman | "the broiler might make for a good caramelization on top, but save that for the end. generally, you don't want to overdo it with brats. |
| 16:29.20 | Hanuman | wait a minute.. are we talking about bratwurst? i thought somebody was making a joke about their kids." |
| 16:30.13 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's classic joe.. |
| 16:30.45 | Hanuman | "um. broil 'em. keep in mind that the broiler is basically just an upside down grill. on a grill, i'd go 5 minutes, twist 45 degrees, 5 minutes, flip, repeat. gets you nice grill marks." |
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| 16:34.13 | Jayce^ | dang, HarleyPig missed out on the good conversation.. |
| 16:34.30 | HarleyPig | Yeah, PerlHoser was telling me about it. |
| 16:34.52 | elg | so tell this hoser to join us here. I've always got good food questions. :) |
| 16:35.18 | HarleyPig | I didn'tknwo we had a channel on dalnet. |
| 16:35.39 | Jayce^ | elg, perlhoser worked with all us once (twice for a few), gave up on tech jobs and headed off to cooking school.. |
| 16:35.43 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, didnt' know either.. |
| 16:35.59 | elg | HarleyPig: who's we? |
| 16:36.31 | elg | Jayce^: then he'll feel real welcome. :) |
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| 16:36.54 | cmdrkiwi | you were talking about bratwurst? |
| 16:37.03 | HarleyPig | w00t! |
| 16:37.07 | cmdrkiwi | how embarassing |
| 16:37.10 | elg | welcome kiwi |
| 16:37.16 | elg | yes, bratwurst. no kids yet. ;) |
| 16:37.22 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 16:37.28 | Jayce^ | kiwiboy.. |
| 16:38.04 | cmdrkiwi | my philosophy is, if it can be grilled, it's gonna taste better grilled. and the broiler is basically just an upside down grill |
| 16:38.53 | Jayce^ | cmdrkiwi is really just a content filter/proxy for alton brown.. nothing he says (about cooking) is uniquely his :D |
| 16:39.04 | cmdrkiwi | yeah, yeah |
| 16:39.21 | cmdrkiwi | go soak your head in a brine, eh? ^_^ |
| 16:39.42 | cmdrkiwi | wait.. that's something else ab would say.. dangit.. |
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| 16:40.20 | cmdrkiwi | ack! there's 3 jayce's in here! |
| 16:40.23 | elg | yeah, the office is gonna be real jealous of me for a few days here. :) |
| 16:40.23 | HarleyPig | Y'know, jayce, you only need to be logged in from one computer. |
| 16:40.55 | Jayce^ | uhh, why are there 3?! |
| 16:41.01 | Jayce^ | somebody is playing.. |
| 16:42.48 | sjansen | There's always been at least a second. |
| 16:43.06 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... jayce_ and jayce__ are both froma dialup through qwest. |
| 16:44.08 | HarleyPig | maybe not ... I'm not sure if the 'pool' is a modem pool or dsl pool. |
| 16:44.21 | Jayce^ | dsl.. |
| 16:44.25 | Jayce^ | it's at infogenix.. |
| 16:46.12 | HarleyPig | Dangit Jayce^ ... now I'm gonna have to write a trainer for LORD!!! |
| 16:46.54 | Jayce^ | haha.. |
| 16:47.25 | elg | note to self. don't put plastic bags on toaster ovens while broiling |
| 16:47.34 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 16:47.49 | Jayce^ | what's the hosts file on an XP box ? (helping someone else).. |
| 16:48.28 | cmdrkiwi | um. hosts? (serious) |
| 16:48.41 | Jayce^ | what location :) |
| 16:49.07 | cmdrkiwi | c:\somethingorother |
| 16:49.24 | HarleyPig | Probably \winnt and it might be lmhosts |
| 16:49.51 | HarleyPig | It's sad that I remember that. |
| 16:49.54 | cmdrkiwi | c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 16:59.11 | Jayce^ | I finally got perl talking to the .Net server! |
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| 16:59.33 | HarleyPig | I'm sorry ... now you'll be interfacing with M$ |
| 16:59.55 | Jayce^ | hey, at least it's not on my servers :) |
| 17:00.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, talking to this client, their tech said "we're supposed to do *anything* we can to make you guys happy... as long as it uses .Net..." |
| 17:01.15 | HarleyPig | Well, that pretty much rules out *anything* don't it. |
| 17:01.33 | Jayce^ | that's what adam and I were saying... their programmer just laughed.. |
| 17:01.40 | Jayce^ | .Net really wasn't his decision :) |
| 17:02.18 | Jayce^ | just a note to anybody who uses any SOAP stuff in talking to .NET based services (not ms soap services 2.0, it actually follows standards :) ) |
| 17:02.25 | HarleyPig | some phb who reads the superfluous rags, right? |
| 17:02.38 | Jayce^ | you have to be explicit on *everything*... using perl, php, anything... all the same.. |
| 17:03.12 | HarleyPig | ?! MS following standards? Not 'embracing and extending'?! |
| 17:04.45 | Jayce^ | that was their old stuff, the new .Net is b0rked |
| 17:08.46 | Hanuman | cmdrkiwi! |
| 17:09.01 | cmdrkiwi | yo |
| 17:09.42 | cmdrkiwi | heh.. Thai food. that was entirely my fault, wasn't it? |
| 17:09.46 | Jayce^ | gee, what a surprise.. |
| 17:09.48 | Hanuman | yup |
| 17:09.56 | Hanuman | mmm...mint leaves |
| 17:10.09 | HarleyPig | Why? Where did mint go? |
| 17:10.10 | Jayce^ | that's about as strange as perlhoser listening to the cure.. |
| 17:10.21 | cmdrkiwi | excuse you? |
| 17:10.32 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:10.40 | Jayce^ | ahh, just like old times, aint it folks? |
| 17:10.48 | cmdrkiwi | last i heard, i was famous for hating asian food in general. |
| 17:10.59 | cmdrkiwi | well, last i heard you heard |
| 17:11.48 | Hanuman | rule of thumb - anything sticky rice must be eaten with your fingers |
| 17:12.07 | HarleyPig | wouldn't that be thumb? |
| 17:12.09 | HarleyPig | s |
| 17:12.14 | Jayce^ | no, chopsticks.. |
| 17:12.31 | Hanuman | chopsticks are for noodles |
| 17:12.41 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: that would be thumbs and forefingers |
| 17:12.46 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.58 | Jayce^ | chopsticks are for everything... even part of your soup :) |
| 17:13.22 | Hanuman | nah - only for noodle soups and anything noodles, unless you're japanese |
| 17:13.59 | Jayce^ | not just noodle soups.. soups with dumplings too.. |
| 17:14.17 | Hanuman | dumplings are okay with chopsticks |
| 17:14.29 | Jayce^ | cmdrkiwi, no way you hate asian food.. what about that cheap chineese junk we used to always get at ipinet.. |
| 17:15.49 | Hanuman | cmdrkiwi makes good looking Thai food |
| 17:16.08 | cmdrkiwi | did i just hear you say junk? not food? case in point. |
| 17:16.25 | Jayce^ | ahh, ok.. |
| 17:16.55 | Hanuman | I forgot about that place there in Provo |
| 17:17.18 | Jayce^ | now, you want good steak though... |
| 17:17.24 | Hanuman | uh oh |
| 17:18.03 | Hanuman | I throw up each time I go |
| 17:18.14 | Jayce^ | that's from overeating :) |
| 17:18.18 | Hanuman | There's one here in Richmond that is really bad |
| 17:18.32 | Hanuman | It's probably the pork - I'm slightly allergic to pork |
| 17:19.12 | Jayce^ | some picanha, pão de quiejo, guaraná, and brasilian lemonade .... mmmm |
| 17:19.22 | cmdrkiwi | cachaca |
| 17:19.24 | HarleyPig | Hey, check this out: http://media.harleypig.com/newfamily.jpg |
| 17:19.30 | Hanuman | I do like brasilian lemonade |
| 17:19.46 | Jayce^ | GAHHHHHH IT BURNS!!! |
| 17:19.54 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 17:20.11 | Hanuman | that's sick... |
| 17:20.25 | Jayce^ | bavmorda (sp?) get to your family? |
| 17:20.31 | HarleyPig | Innit though ... it's like watching a train wreck ... you can't take your eyes off it. |
| 17:20.35 | HarleyPig | bavmorda? |
| 17:20.36 | Hanuman | my wife really likes brasilian food |
| 17:20.47 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, the evil witch in willow |
| 17:20.53 | HarleyPig | Heh. |
| 17:20.54 | Hanuman | I hope that's not real |
| 17:21.20 | HarleyPig | Hanuman: :D I don't see how ... I'm pretty sure it's a waxworks. |
| 17:22.13 | Hanuman | my former appendix is going to pay for this Thai food |
| 17:22.24 | Hanuman | I'm feeling it already |
| 17:22.33 | cmdrkiwi | it's not real food. why did you buy it? |
| 17:22.42 | Hanuman | of course it's real food |
| 17:22.54 | cmdrkiwi | where did you buy it? |
| 17:23.06 | Hanuman | The local Thai restaurant down the road - I know the owner |
| 17:23.35 | HarleyPig | Anyone familiar with perldoc.com |
| 17:23.36 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 17:23.53 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: I think most of us are |
| 17:24.06 | Jayce^ | tó enjoado de feijão |
| 17:24.06 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to find the docs for Net;:Telnet and not getting any luck. (I know I can go to cpan, but perldoc is usually easier on the eyes). |
| 17:24.15 | cmdrkiwi | Hanuman: i know lots of people who cook, but that doesn't mean they do it right. |
| 17:24.29 | cmdrkiwi | i'm a food snob now. it's official. |
| 17:24.29 | Jayce^ | well, Net;:Telnet would be a problem, but Net::Telnet might work :) |
| 17:24.38 | HarleyPig | yeah yea |
| 17:24.41 | Jayce^ | now? |
| 17:24.47 | cmdrkiwi | it's official now. |
| 17:24.48 | sjansen | Jayce^: What I wouldn't give for um arroz, feijão, bife, batatinha, e suco de maracuja. |
| 17:25.13 | Jayce^ | suco de maracuja é uma das coisas melhor do mundo |
| 17:25.24 | sjansen | You got that right. |
| 17:25.30 | Hanuman | cmdrkiwi: yes, but do you cook like a Thai? |
| 17:25.44 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: did you check the readme on CPAN as well? |
| 17:26.22 | cmdrkiwi | ou talvez um filhote de cachorro pequeno no sauce do feijão preto |
| 17:26.25 | HarleyPig | Not yet ... perldoc.com is easier on the eyes. Plus, I'm frustrated that I can't remember how to search for a cpan module document. |
| 17:26.44 | cmdrkiwi | Hanuman: nope. and glad of it. |
| 17:26.54 | Jayce^ | cmdrkiwi, you need help.. |
| 17:27.03 | HarleyPig | <search term> CPAN (from dropdown) and go, right? |
| 17:27.06 | Jayce^ | who told you to say that.. |
| 17:27.07 | cmdrkiwi | jayce^: sorry, had to |
| 17:27.11 | HarleyPig | Or module name |
| 17:28.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen, eu quero salgados, muitos... coxinha catipuiri, pasteis de cada tipo.. nossa que gostoso.. |
| 17:28.55 | sjansen | In my third area, there was this great stand for cachorro just a block above our place. |
| 17:28.55 | Hanuman | I usually just go to search.cpan.org, search for the module, and then click on the top link for the module |
| 17:29.15 | Hanuman | HarleyPig: http://search.cpan.org/author/JROGERS/Net-Telnet-3.03/lib/Net/Telnet.pm |
| 17:30.05 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I found it on cpan ... but I'm mad at myself for not figuring out perldoc.com ... I wanted to maek that work |
| 17:30.06 | sjansen | They used gian hamburger buns, chopped up the hotdog, grilled the corn, used lots of mayo. Put it all together, then toasted the whole thing with a grill that was heated on both sides. |
| 17:30.10 | Jayce^ | cpan> i/Net::Telnet/ :) |
| 17:30.22 | HarleyPig | :P |
| 17:30.27 | HarleyPig | Switching rooms ... brb |
| 17:30.43 | Jayce^ | corn on pizza and hotdogs, only in brasil :) very good too.. |
| 17:30.48 | Jayce^ | and batata palha |
| 17:31.03 | cmdrkiwi | actually, sweet corn is the #1 pizza topping in japan too |
| 17:31.05 | sjansen | Jayce^: And a good salad. I haven't been able to get the mix of salt and lemon right yet. |
| 17:31.18 | Jayce^ | of course, it was also the only place besides Red Robin where I could get egg on my burger.. |
| 17:31.32 | Jayce^ | although I´ve heard there's another place in orem that does it.. |
| 17:32.14 | Jayce^ | pizza da primavera... spring pizza, take our usual hawaiin, then add maraschino cherries... |
| 17:32.30 | Hanuman | There was a place in Thailand that made burgers with egg on them - they'd also put pinapple on it. Very good |
| 17:32.31 | Jayce^ | but they messed it up if they put palm hearts on it.. |
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| 17:32.37 | HarleyPig | tadah |
| 17:32.43 | Jayce^ | eww |
| 17:32.50 | HarleyPig | Yes? |
| 17:32.55 | Jayce^ | eww <- re HarleyPig, not pineapple. |
| 17:33.03 | HarleyPig | Hey! |
| 17:33.13 | cmdrkiwi | what's wrong with hearts of palm? |
| 17:33.37 | Jayce^ | I think they taste nasty.. well, correction.. they don't taste, and don't add any quality texture to a pizza |
| 17:35.11 | Hanuman | I'm not any more - I just had Thai |
| 17:35.50 | cmdrkiwi | i wouldn't be hungry either after thai food |
| 17:36.14 | Hanuman | hey now |
| 17:36.28 | Hanuman | ~lart cmdrkiwi |
| 17:37.04 | cmdrkiwi | um. |
| 17:37.10 | cmdrkiwi | gee, that was effective. |
| 17:37.54 | Jayce^ | ~lart cmdrkiwi |
| 17:37.55 | Hanuman | Made me feel better |
| 17:38.44 | cmdrkiwi | right. |
| 17:40.24 | cmdrkiwi | outre de à l'école. ciao. |
| 17:40.36 | Hanuman | what does that mean? |
| 17:40.36 | sjansen | tchao, prazer |
| 17:41.26 | Hanuman | choog dii na chrap |
| 17:41.32 | HarleyPig | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:41.38 | Hanuman | s/chrap/khrap/ |
| 17:41.51 | Hanuman | oooh...lart wars |
| 17:41.54 | sjansen | ~lart ibot |
| 17:41.54 | Hanuman | ~lart HarleyPig |
| 17:42.01 | HarleyPig | ~lart everyone |
| 17:42.20 | Hanuman | ~lart SCO |
| 17:42.20 | elg | wow, it's just like bzflag was there in here |
| 17:42.33 | elg | cmdrkiwi: do any sourdough? |
| 17:42.38 | HarleyPig | ~lart |
| 17:42.51 | Hanuman | ~lart ~lart |
| 17:42.55 | elg | i've got a good start from poland many many generations back (I guess now it's mostly new mexican and turning utahn) |
| 17:43.13 | HarleyPig | ~lart everyone perl \=\= lamerville |
| 17:43.35 | HarleyPig | huh? |
| 17:43.47 | Hanuman | ~lart IDI |
| 17:44.22 | Hanuman | ~lart bzflag |
| 17:44.48 | elg | ibot: I'd like to see your judo chop against a guided missile |
| 17:44.49 | | elg: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:44.57 | elg | lol |
| 17:45.02 | elg | I didn't know judo chop came with a FM |
| 17:45.06 | HarleyPig | ibot is silly |
| 17:45.07 | | bugger all, i dunno, HarleyPig |
| 17:45.16 | HarleyPig | ibot why not? |
| 17:45.17 | | BECAUSE, poopsalot! |
| 17:45.34 | HarleyPig | Hey! I'm talking to an incarnation of Eliza? |
| 17:45.39 | elg | well he told you. :) |
| 18:48.01 | Hanuman | anyone read /. and SCO's new endeavor? |
| 18:48.28 | Hanuman | ~slashdot |
| 18:49.16 | Hanuman | Does anyone believe anything out of SCO's mouth lately? |
| 18:50.27 | Jayce^ | oh man, that's sad.. |
| 18:52.13 | sjansen | Anybody else just hoping the whole thing ends soon? |
| 18:52.37 | Hanuman | It will all end when SCO goes bankrupt |
| 18:52.57 | elg | i hope IBM makes quick work of them |
| 18:53.04 | elg | they're beginning to be more annoying than spam |
| 18:53.14 | elg | "I don't like spam!" |
| 18:53.42 | Hanuman | spam! spam! spam! spam! |
| 18:54.04 | Jayce^ | ^G :) |
| 18:54.22 | Hanuman | |
| 18:54.25 | elg | stupid fire alarm |
| 18:54.34 | Hanuman | that didn't work |
| 18:54.39 | Jayce^ | did here. |
| 18:54.50 | Hanuman | you could see it? |
| 18:58.21 | Jayce^ | no, but I got a beep |
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| 19:05.24 | Hanuman | ahh...hehe - I guess thats a way to do a note... |
| 19:05.36 | elg | ~\o |
| 19:06.22 | Jayce^ | that lawyers argument just seems pitiful.. |
| 19:11.30 | Hanuman | elg: thanks - you showed that to me before and I couldn't remember what it was |
| 19:16.05 | Hanuman | spam! spam! spam! spam! ~\o |
| 19:17.13 | Hanuman | At my old place of work we used to give a spam can to the person or persons who made the biggest mistakes. You couldn't pass it on until someone else made a big mistake. |
| 19:18.25 | sjansen | It's a rubber hammer here. |
| 19:19.17 | sjansen | Some story about a guy using a rubber mallet for the wrong thing, swinging too hard and the mallet flying back knocking him out. |
| 19:21.38 | Hanuman | and comic books |
| 19:22.37 | Hanuman | "SCO Reports a profit" - must be that license they sold to the fortune 500 company |
| 19:23.01 | Hanuman | and all the stock they sold |
| 19:24.33 | Jayce^ | with some friends, we had the "4-watt bulb of brilliance" |
| 19:24.39 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig can attest to it.. |
| 19:25.21 | Jayce^ | whoever told the joke, dumb move, or other action that lowered the overall intelligence of those in the area received the honor.. |
| 19:28.42 | elg | whatever in the world is SASL? |
| 19:30.25 | Jayce^ | Simple Authentication and Security Layer |
| 19:30.40 | elg | hmm. judging by what this guy is saying it's hardly simple |
| 19:30.57 | elg | (reading the Cyrus readme) |
| 19:31.20 | elg | Cyrus is easy, all the trouble is |
| 19:31.21 | elg | in SASL, and even that becomes easy after you understand how SASL works. |
| 19:31.29 | elg | </quote> |
| 19:34.43 | Hanuman | I looked a little in Cyrus - it scares me away, quite honestly - there are many much better/easier solutions out there |
| 19:34.49 | Hanuman | s/in/into/ |
| 19:35.10 | elg | Hanuman: I'm looking for a virtual user solution. It need not be anything but simple to set up |
| 19:35.18 | Hanuman | OpenGroupWare uses Cyrus by default. I'm trying to figure out how to get it to use other IMAP services |
| 19:36.20 | Hanuman | I'm trying to remember what other IMAP services I looked into (my last week put a dent in my thoughts) |
| 19:37.08 | Hanuman | is IMAP what you're talking about with "virtual user solutions"? |
| 19:37.10 | Jayce^ | http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/postfix-sasl.php |
| 19:37.15 | Jayce^ | might help on the mta side.. |
| 19:43.33 | elg | ~lart wiki |
| 19:44.20 | sjansen | ~lart elg and everyone else with no sense of wiki |
| 19:46.49 | Hanuman | my old boss used to hate wiki, too. I've never used it |
| 19:46.58 | elg | i don't hate it. just find it klunky |
| 19:47.07 | elg | but i find any web interface clunky |
| 19:47.38 | sjansen | I find its simplicity elegant. Wouldn't want to write reports in it. But sure is great for taking and sharing notes. |
| 19:49.24 | Hanuman | Anyone know how well the HP scanjet 5500c works with Linux? |
| 19:49.27 | elg | yeah. although the same thing could be done (nowdays) with a simple GUI and some RPC thing |
| 19:55.43 | elg | Hanuman: virtual users solution means i have mailboxes for mail users that have no real (/etc/passwd) account |
| 19:57.36 | sjansen | elg: That misses the point. I don't have to install anything special. But then I like web apps. |
| 20:05.27 | sjansen | What we've got now is primitive and frustrating... and thanks to MS we'll be stuck with it for years. |
| 20:05.39 | sjansen | ~lart Internet Explorer |
| 20:07.06 | Hanuman | elg: I'm no mail expert, but I'd be interested to hear what you learn about virtual users solutions |
| 20:07.14 | elg | sjansen: not entirely IE's fault; I remember a recent /. article on XForms and the overwhelming majority of /. idiot posters were saying "we don't need no stinkin' new W3C recommendations! This is bloat! This is lame! XML is lame! Buzzwords are lame!" |
| 20:08.04 | elg | and you can always tell the comments from people who have never done web programming because they think you can do whatever you need with HTML forms |
| 20:08.26 | elg | Hanuman: cyrus is looking promising as the IMAPd/POP3d solution |
| 20:08.47 | elg | The docs are there; you can do anything with sufficient docs. |
| 20:09.26 | sjansen | elg: Yeah. I'm still frustrated at the lackluster CSS support, and the quirky Javascript. |
| 20:09.45 | Hanuman | hmmm...maybe worth looking more into, then - it just looked scary to me glancing at it |
| 20:10.10 | sjansen | And the Mozilla maintainers weren't exactly behind it either. Although they said they wouldn't reject the patch if anyone did a good job implementing. |
| 20:10.27 | elg | kinda like their lackluster support for SVG |
| 20:10.33 | sjansen | or PNG |
| 20:10.39 | Hanuman | s/do/due/ |
| 20:10.42 | elg | SVG/Xforms will be a killer app if anyone gets around to making it happen |
| 20:11.20 | levi | http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/2249001 |
| 20:11.22 | Hanuman | I don't want it if it's not written in Perl |
| 20:11.27 | Hanuman | just kidding |
| 20:13.00 | levi | Here's a better one: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5063722.html |
| 20:14.26 | elg | levi: cool |
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| 20:14.45 | matto_ | what is up homessssssssssssssssss |
| 20:15.01 | sjansen | Nice to know there's still cool companies doing neat things in Utah. |
| 20:15.44 | levi | We're having an open house for our new office today. Mmm, catered lunch. |
| 20:16.12 | Matt_O|wook | where? |
| 20:17.28 | levi | Where is what? The office? At the point of the mountain. |
| 20:19.02 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. I'm pretty close... should go hit the free lunch :) |
| 20:19.11 | levi | Oh, it's over now. |
| 20:19.21 | levi | It was just for the visiting VIPs and employees, anyway. |
| 20:19.59 | Matt_O|wook | oh... I haven't gone to lunch yet |
| 20:20.08 | Matt_O|wook | so I was getting excited :) |
| 20:22.00 | levi | Had this great spinach salad. Mmmmm. Also some delicious chicken parmesan and fettuccini. |
| 20:22.14 | Hanuman | who catered? |
| 20:22.28 | levi | I don't recall the name. Some catering company. |
| 20:23.07 | Matt_O|wook | hehe |
| 20:23.09 | Hanuman | we only get it if sales are up, which this year hasn't been that often |
| 20:23.40 | Hanuman | It's been a tough year for the retail industry, although things are picking up |
| 20:24.11 | levi | Well, we don't get it very often. This was just a special open house deal. |
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| 20:44.57 | elg | i'm sold on cyrus |
| 20:45.11 | elg | as an improvement over courier and uw-imap at least |
| 20:49.43 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 20:51.55 | elg | primarily because of its blackbox philosphy |
| 20:52.10 | elg | any mta can deliver to it (using LTMP or an LMTP-wrapper they provide) |
| 20:52.43 | elg | it doesn't exist as regular files (mbox or Maildir) and is accessible only via imap or pop. for a mail server that's a Good ThingTM IMHO |
| 20:55.09 | elg | it does limit the flexibility of using procmail or something on the mail server (but the whole idea is that you don't want real users there) |
| 20:56.52 | neybar | is there procmail type functionality then? |
| 21:00.44 | elg | neybar: there is a thing called sieve that looks to fit the bill |
| 21:00.49 | neybar | what kind of backend are you using then? mysql? |
| 21:00.55 | elg | cyrus' backend |
| 21:01.00 | elg | whatever that is. (DB2 I think) |
| 21:01.08 | neybar | interesting |
| 21:01.41 | neybar | what mta did you end up with? |
| 21:07.05 | elg | exim4 |
| 21:08.20 | elg | and it's working. that didn't take too long. The only gotcha I ran across in the cyrus docs was when creating the mailboxes. They said create mailboxes like this: "cm user.user1, cm user.user2, etc." (cm is the command to create mailbox) |
| 21:08.53 | elg | so I did "cm fugalh.fugalh1" and it didn't work. So I tried "cm fugalh.INBOX" and that didn't work. So I tried google and eventually found I had to do "cm user.fugalh". doh! |
| 21:10.26 | Jayce^ | love the penguin on plug.. |
| 21:14.28 | elg | lol: http://pel.cs.byu.edu/~sorenson/SCO/ |
| 21:16.00 | Jayce^ | yeah saw that too |
| 21:17.57 | neybar | speaking of plug... when are you going to put the slash code back up? |
| 21:39.32 | Jayce^ | well, I don't have that kinda access to the server.. |
| 21:48.03 | Jayce^ | "I would say that the silent majority is behind SCO in this case," McBride said. <-- riiiiiiiiight |
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| 23:41.01 | neybar | I would say that unfortunately the silent majority doesn't care |
