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13:05.13elggag. it's way too hot here
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15:02.20elganyone heard of work-of-mouth.org before?
15:02.54sjansenDo you mean word-of-mouth.org?
15:02.59elgi do
15:03.03levielg: Where are you that's too hot?
15:03.09elglevi: Utah. :)
15:03.22levielg: You'd think you'd be used to it by now. :)
15:03.28elgand this room's thermometer is broken.
15:03.40elglevi: I just got back from the much nicer climate in Santa Fe
15:03.40leviOh, well, there's your problem. :)
15:04.13elgi just got this email entitled REPORT SUBMITTED REGARDING: hans@fugal.net
15:04.23elghttp://Word-of-Mouth.Org/FAQ.asp
15:04.25sjansenelg: Never heard of it, but looks interesting.
15:04.43elgso I am wondering if this is legit or some elaborate spam thing
15:05.04elgI'd like to click on the link to see the 'reports' but don't want to confirm my email address in the process for some spammer
15:05.40sjansenLooks like they're learning. Redirects to http://word-of-mouth.org/faqs.php?nav=faqs
15:06.09sjansenDo you have a throw away account you can use instead?
15:06.47elgsjansen: sure, but that won't show me the reports supposedly submitted about hans@fugal.net
15:07.12elgAdmin Country:PH
15:07.15elgwhere's that?
15:10.21sjansenLooks like the Philippines.
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15:12.14sjansenI personally wouldn't. It just isn't important enough and they've given no reason to really trust them.
15:12.49elgyeah, me too.
15:12.52sjansenBut if you're really curious, I'd try signing up with a spam address (has to be legit, it looks like, but can be temporary) then searching. Maybe you'll find it.
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15:55.51emcnabbwhat's the name of the virus that sends out a message from the administrator and has a .zip file attached?
15:56.38elg"the virus that sends out a message from the
15:56.39elg<PROTECTED>
15:57.19elgby not using its name, whatever it be, we deny it the joy of having identity
16:01.41sjansenThat's like, so, last month. Haven't you heard? Blasters the latest news.
16:07.34emcnabbthis is a different one; it's called win32.mimail.a.mm.html
16:07.48emcnabboh well
16:09.54elgthe last time I worried about a virus was the i love you virus. and that was only because i wanted to help out the guys that supported the windows boxes, and thought it would be instructive to decode the mess that is vb
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16:24.37Jayce^anybody know of any computer/technology convention/expo's coming to town still this year?  
16:38.48elganyone know of a website that outlines which processors go into which type of motherboards? (e.g. slot foo, socket bar, etc.)
16:39.22Jayce^not offhand, but if you find it, I want to know..
16:39.58Jayce^that slot board you have, I know phsyically fits up to around 1ghz, but I dont' know what it's bios will let it handle..
16:40.41Jayce^anybody here looking for DDR ram?  I forgot to bring 2 256 chips to the swap meet..
16:52.47elgJayce^: do you know off-hand, is it slot-1?
16:55.55Jayce^dunno.
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17:12.53Jayce^oink
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17:25.05emcnabbhttp://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08122003/business/83193.asp
17:25.47emcnabbhttp://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08122003/business/83192.asp
17:25.55emcnabbtwo great articles...
17:31.11Jayce^very good
17:42.16elgwhat is an AMR slot?
17:50.24tensaielg: Audio Modem Riser. a little used solution to creating cheaper winmodems and winsoundcards
18:01.42brailsmt_workhttp://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2003-08/msg00191.html
18:24.14Jayce^why do you develop something and say it conforms to a well published standard, then tweak it just enough that it won't work with things that meet the existing standards?
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18:40.09brailsmt_workJayce^: to try to force the standard to be what you want it to be...  that is an advantage of being an illegal monopoly
18:46.09sjansenActually, I've read a rather unbiased review that said MS might be doing things right.
18:46.51brailsmt_worksjansen: then are breaking precedent
18:46.52sjansenSOAP and web services are trying to be two things at once. Is it RPC, or is it document exchange? That fundamental paradigm is at the heart of the problem.
18:47.22sjansenI'll see if I can dig it up.
18:55.41sjansenSorry, not finding it.
18:56.09Jayce^riiight..
18:56.26Jayce^actually I've seen arguments from sources about certain aspects of their changes...
18:56.40Jayce^but they are making some changes on hypothetical ideas, and calling them standard...
18:57.41sjansenWell, I haven't worked with anything produced by MS. Mono is the closest I come, so I can't comment on the nitty gritty. Wouldn't surprise me, though, with they history of Kerberos, MS-XSLT, etc.
18:59.12Jayce^I've done a little soap stuff before, it's pretty cool for some things, but their server simply chokes with non .Net requests.. won't parse the xml correctly..
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19:40.02elg_what's with the topic?
19:40.57Jayce^I think it's part of freenode's bugs with their new code..
19:41.12Jayce^wow, bush just nominated Gov Leavitt to be the head of the EPA.
19:42.12emcnabbyeah, that's going to get a lot of people fired up
20:07.34sjansenYes, of course our product works with vendor X on Linux.
20:08.15sjansenOh, you use the latest version of vendor X's product? I've only used the previous version.... before they made major changes.
20:08.41sjansenAnd by the way, I've only tested vendor X's product on IIS.
20:08.58sjansenBut I bet the problem is your cookie domain.
20:09.15sjansen(Apache won't even start and you think the problem is the cookie domain?!)
20:10.31sjansenAnd people wonder why I prefer open source. I hate black boxes and sales reps that don't confirm before promising.
20:10.48Jayce^hehe..
20:10.59sjansenBut at least this time we 've got a good contract that puts all the burden on them.
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23:43.15hansJayce^: trying to start up this box now - it just beeps. long single beeps.
23:43.36hansanyone know what that means? i've tried shorting the bios clear jumper
23:44.36hansnothing on the monitor
23:45.03synicisn't that a video card post?
23:45.48synicor maybe 3 longs beeps is memory...
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23:54.32harleypigAnyone familiar with gpm?

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