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| 03:59.25 | Bradipo | Anyone here know postgres (or maybe just SQL in general)? |
| 04:01.12 | neybar | I know sql |
| 04:03.10 | Bradipo | Ok... |
| 04:03.26 | Bradipo | I want to keep track of the time when a tuple is updated in a table. |
| 04:03.52 | Bradipo | Is there a way to query the last update made to a record in a table? |
| 04:04.02 | Bradipo | Or does it have to be maintained as a column in that table? |
| 04:08.53 | Bradipo | Maybe I should just add another column and be sure to insert the current time in whenever updating that column? |
| 04:09.00 | Bradipo | It would be nice if it were automatic though. |
| 04:09.14 | Bradipo | It looks like this might be achievable with the RULE commands in postgres (or maybe TRIGGER). |
| 04:09.23 | Bradipo | But I haven't ever used either. :-) |
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| 04:26.28 | LrnChndlr | a couple of people tonight at the PLUG swap meet mentioned a gaim plugin that would read the text out loud, does anyone here have any more details on that? |
| 04:31.07 | skidd | Lrn... it was something like Felicity (tho i'm certain that wasn't it) |
| 04:32.19 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 04:32.24 | skidd | festival... i'm almost certain it was festival. |
| 04:32.32 | skidd | i haven't tried it. it would make me crazy. |
| 04:33.01 | skidd | http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/projects/festival-gaim/ |
| 04:33.02 | LrnChndlr | well, i dont think i would use it on irc |
| 04:34.37 | skidd | yeah. i can definately read faster than my machine can speak |
| 04:34.58 | LrnChndlr | just so i dont have to get up from the couch when i'm watching TV to see who is IM'ing me |
| 04:35.09 | LrnChndlr | yeah, i'm lazy (in case you were wondering) |
| 04:35.21 | skidd | heheheh... a laptop solves that problem :) |
| 04:38.19 | LrnChndlr | yeah, got an extra one for me? |
| 04:39.02 | skidd | i'll let you know when I do. however, I do have a Pmmx 233 that you can have. |
| 04:39.26 | skidd | but then again, you woulda taken that tonight if you wanted it :) |
| 04:39.33 | LrnChndlr | hehe |
| 04:39.52 | LrnChndlr | i got a PII 350 from Jayce |
| 04:41.08 | skidd | that's not too bad at all. park that thing by the couch... |
| 04:41.39 | LrnChndlr | brb, i think i'll need to restart gaim to load the plugin |
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| 04:42.58 | Jayce^ | hey LrnChndlr.. |
| 04:43.19 | LrnChndlr | hey :) |
| 04:43.35 | LrnChndlr | do i have to install voices for festival? does it not come with default voices? |
| 04:43.59 | Jayce^ | not sure if the one on gnome is neybar's version.. well it's different.. |
| 04:44.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, you need a voice pack.. |
| 04:44.50 | LrnChndlr | i see 5 english voice packs, but no description of them |
| 04:45.04 | Jayce^ | should be different bitrates.. |
| 04:45.08 | Jayce^ | get a 16khz one. |
| 04:45.19 | Jayce^ | should be the best.. |
| 04:45.27 | Jayce^ | wait, you are using mandrake right? |
| 04:45.30 | LrnChndlr | http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/festival/RPMS/voices/english/ |
| 04:45.31 | LrnChndlr | yes |
| 04:45.35 | LrnChndlr | mandrake 9.1 |
| 04:46.23 | Jayce^ | ok... |
| 04:46.46 | LrnChndlr | so should i get kallpc16k or kedlpc16k? |
| 04:46.56 | Jayce^ | as root, do the following: |
| 04:46.58 | Jayce^ | lynx -source http://plf.zarb.org/plf.asc | gpg --import |
| 04:47.17 | LrnChndlr | ok :) |
| 04:47.28 | LrnChndlr | hope it doesn't nuke my hard drive or something |
| 04:47.35 | LrnChndlr | i'm trucsting you on this one |
| 04:47.45 | LrnChndlr | gpg: key CABA22AE: public key "Penguin Liberation Front (PLF Official Keys) <plf@zarb.org>" imported |
| 04:47.45 | LrnChndlr | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 04:47.45 | LrnChndlr | gpg: imported: 1 |
| 04:48.03 | Jayce^ | urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://plf.time4t.net/pub/plf/9.1 with hdlist.cz |
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| 04:48.28 | Jayce^ | those commands will add urpmi mirrors for you for updates, plf, contrib, and textstar |
| 04:48.31 | Jayce^ | like we talked about.. |
| 04:48.47 | Jayce^ | you can then urpmi festival, and it will grab everything for you.. |
| 04:48.51 | Jayce^ | and keep it updated.. |
| 04:49.12 | LrnChndlr | everything? I dont need the spanish voices |
| 04:49.27 | Jayce^ | no, it'll prompt you for the voice pack you want.. |
| 04:49.38 | Jayce^ | just let those suckers download, takes a bit at first... |
| 04:49.48 | LrnChndlr | yeah |
| 04:49.58 | Jayce^ | first time has to grab a few synthesis and description files.. |
| 04:50.07 | LrnChndlr | second one is 9+ meg |
| 04:50.13 | Jayce^ | then it's easier to keep up to date.. |
| 04:50.38 | Jayce^ | this will add packages to your urpmi (or rpmdrake if you want a gui) that you can choose from.. |
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| 04:50.53 | Jayce^ | works really well |
| 04:51.02 | Jayce^ | heh.. took you long enough emcnabb_... |
| 04:51.06 | LrnChndlr | kewl |
| 04:51.10 | LrnChndlr | that will be fun |
| 04:51.49 | Jayce^ | since you haven't used them before, if you do a urpmi --auto-select, it will have quite a few things to update.. |
| 04:52.17 | LrnChndlr | will that command allow me to pick what i actualy want to update? |
| 04:52.19 | Jayce^ | if you want, you can get texstar's gpg key too, so that it won't say you have a bad/unknown sig on his packages.. |
| 04:52.21 | LrnChndlr | or will it just do it? |
| 04:52.34 | Jayce^ | that one will ask you if you want to do all of them, y/n |
| 04:52.53 | Jayce^ | urpmi <package> is for a single file (and dependencies) |
| 04:53.06 | Jayce^ | man urpmi helps a lot with it.. it's really quite nice.. |
| 04:53.19 | LrnChndlr | kewl |
| 04:53.47 | LrnChndlr | who/what is texstar? |
| 04:55.34 | Jayce^ | a guy who rolls a lot of packages faster than mandrake themselves.. |
| 04:55.52 | Jayce^ | so he usually has bugfixes first, and newer packages they don't have.. |
| 04:55.56 | LrnChndlr | dependable? no trojans? |
| 04:56.48 | LrnChndlr | One of the following packages is needed: |
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| 04:57.01 | LrnChndlr | which do you recommend? |
| 04:57.29 | LrnChndlr | remember, i'm on a PII 266 right now |
| 04:59.47 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. well, kall16k is what I have.. |
| 04:59.58 | LrnChndlr | ok |
| 05:00.06 | LrnChndlr | going for that one |
| 05:00.20 | LrnChndlr | wow |
| 05:00.25 | LrnChndlr | installing: |
| 05:00.27 | LrnChndlr | festival-1.4.3-2mdk.i586 |
| 05:00.28 | LrnChndlr | festlex-CMU-1.4.3-1mdk.noarch |
| 05:00.28 | LrnChndlr | festlex-POSLEX-1.4.3-1mdk.noarch |
| 05:00.28 | LrnChndlr | festvox-kallpc-common-1.4.3-1mdk.noarch |
| 05:00.28 | LrnChndlr | festvox-kallpc16k-1.4.3-1mdk.noarch |
| 05:00.43 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's broken out into the different pieces.. |
| 05:00.57 | Jayce^ | rpm people do that a lot, even though you usually need all of them.. |
| 05:01.35 | LrnChndlr | it didnt tell me which update source it was going to use until its actually downloading them |
| 05:01.57 | LrnChndlr | guess the newest version is from the contrib mirror |
| 05:02.24 | LrnChndlr | wow, this is a lot faster than going through the gui |
| 05:02.39 | Jayce^ | the gui just calls it.. |
| 05:04.48 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr, what email you want me to send the script to you for gaim? |
| 05:04.59 | Jayce^ | get the latest version.. |
| 05:09.14 | LrnChndlr | loren@shopsite.com |
| 05:09.28 | LrnChndlr | its a new version of the plugin? |
| 05:11.19 | LrnChndlr | i got festival-gaim-0.64-1.tigrux |
| 05:12.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, some changes neybar finished today.. |
| 05:12.18 | Jayce^ | going to have some more in a few more days.. |
| 05:12.34 | Jayce^ | dont' know if that guy accepted james' old fixes into his script or not.. |
| 05:13.02 | emcnabb_ | hello hax0rs |
| 05:13.51 | LrnChndlr | is there something i need to configure with festival first? i loaded the plgin but i am not hearing any sounds |
| 05:15.09 | Jayce^ | I sent you the updated one with instructions. |
| 05:15.14 | LrnChndlr | ok, thanks |
| 05:15.44 | Jayce^ | when you get it setup, just have anyone message you, or if noone is awake, give me a contact and I'll message you.. |
| 05:15.56 | Jayce^ | ~slashdot |
| 05:16.04 | Jayce^ | they just dont' stop do they (s c o) |
| 05:16.56 | Jayce^ | wow, comment on /. to that thread... |
| 05:16.59 | Jayce^ | I find this quite interesting since my TiVos are running Linux 2.1.24. I thought SCO only had a problem with 2.4+? |
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| 05:19.01 | LrnChndlr | k, restarting gaim |
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| 05:20.21 | Jayce^ | you using gaim for irc? |
| 05:20.34 | LrnChndlr | right now i am |
| 05:20.51 | LrnChndlr | ok, so i just checked the plugin |
| 05:20.57 | LrnChndlr | what now? |
| 05:22.08 | LrnChndlr | contact |
| 05:22.14 | LrnChndlr | ~slashdot |
| 05:22.27 | LrnChndlr | not hearing anything |
| 05:22.42 | LrnChndlr | is there any way to see if festival is working correctly? |
| 05:24.13 | LrnChndlr | do i need to start a service or something? |
| 05:24.48 | LrnChndlr | oh wo |
| 05:24.50 | LrnChndlr | wow |
| 05:24.56 | LrnChndlr | it works in an IM window |
| 05:25.17 | LrnChndlr | not in a chat window |
| 05:26.08 | Jayce^ | hrmm.. |
| 05:26.14 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 05:26.28 | Jayce^ | should mention that to neybar.. never tried it in the chat |
| 05:26.35 | LrnChndlr | i guess it would probably be annoying in a chat window |
| 05:26.35 | Jayce^ | you like it? |
| 05:26.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, I bet |
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| 05:27.16 | flyboy | Is anyone awake? |
| 05:27.20 | LrnChndlr | no |
| 05:27.25 | LrnChndlr | asleep |
| 05:27.45 | flyboy | Just wondering if anyone here went to the PLUG BBQ? |
| 05:28.43 | LrnChndlr | yes, festival is pretty kewl, i dont know ifi would understand what it was saying unless i was also reading the words, though |
| 05:28.53 | LrnChndlr | yes, we went |
| 05:30.56 | flyboy | How many ppl where there? |
| 05:31.17 | Jayce^ | hrmm. |
| 05:31.20 | LrnChndlr | 15 to 20 |
| 05:31.24 | Jayce^ | quite a few count? |
| 05:31.34 | Jayce^ | went rather well |
| 05:31.37 | LrnChndlr | i didnt count |
| 05:32.04 | LrnChndlr | wow, i like neybar's festival plugin better than the tigrux one |
| 05:32.27 | flyboy | I wanted to go. |
| 05:32.32 | flyboy | Had a bunch of old hardware too. |
| 05:32.43 | flyboy | But my wife and I have had a date planned for tonight for a while. |
| 05:32.44 | LrnChndlr | although the tigrux one lets me choose a voice if more than one is installed |
| 05:33.29 | LrnChndlr | neybar's says '[nick] says, [yadda yadda]' |
| 05:33.45 | LrnChndlr | and it doesn't spell out the dots |
| 05:35.14 | LrnChndlr | oh, i love how it pronounces 'ooooooooooooooo' |
| 05:35.18 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 05:35.25 | Jayce^ | took us a bit to find that nick info.. |
| 05:35.42 | Jayce^ | that voice choice is new, I'll have to grab it and merge it in.. |
| 05:36.10 | LrnChndlr | i'll have to take a look at the code tomorrow, looks like it could be fun |
| 05:36.38 | Jayce^ | yeah, but as for tonight, I need some sleep |
| 05:36.46 | LrnChndlr | ok, thanks for your help |
| 05:37.56 | flyboy | Jayce^: Did anyone post images of tonights events? |
| 05:38.05 | flyboy | Or perhaps a hardware list of still available parts? |
| 05:38.47 | Jayce^ | heh.. we dumped a bunch.. |
| 05:38.54 | flyboy | Bummer. |
| 05:38.58 | LrnChndlr | the best pics should be of the guys riding the VAX cabinet down the sidewalk |
| 05:38.58 | Jayce^ | I have a couple pics, not many.. gotta pull them off |
| 05:39.02 | flyboy | I needed some old HDDs. |
| 05:39.12 | Jayce^ | how old? |
| 05:39.15 | LrnChndlr | flyboy: how old? |
| 05:39.28 | flyboy | Well, size is more important. |
| 05:39.36 | Jayce^ | what size? |
| 05:39.37 | LrnChndlr | i've got a bunch of 486's in the back of my jeep that are going to DI in the morning |
| 05:39.38 | flyboy | Nothing smaller than 1G is that interesting. |
| 05:39.45 | flyboy | I would really like a 5-6G one. |
| 05:39.50 | LrnChndlr | oh |
| 05:40.03 | Jayce^ | there were some of those (mostly in boxes still) |
| 05:40.08 | flyboy | Wow. |
| 05:40.13 | flyboy | Would have like to have been there. |
| 05:40.14 | Jayce^ | think most of those went though |
| 05:40.27 | Jayce^ | I'd say it went really well. |
| 05:40.27 | flyboy | Did a lot of people bring food? |
| 05:40.36 | Jayce^ | quite a few, yeah. |
| 05:40.38 | LrnChndlr | i think i have 6 486s that are going to DI |
| 05:40.52 | flyboy | Hopefully SLUG/PLUG will do another one soon. |
| 05:40.57 | LrnChndlr | and 2 monitors |
| 05:41.00 | flyboy | Or many Anthoney will do a BSD one. ;-) |
| 05:41.11 | flyboy | 14"? |
| 05:41.22 | LrnChndlr | yeah, small ones |
| 05:41.34 | LrnChndlr | old ones |
| 05:42.09 | flyboy | I wonder if the latest SCO FUD was talked about? |
| 05:42.31 | LrnChndlr | yes, more like 'made fun of' than 'talked about' though |
| 05:42.39 | flyboy | Well, that's what I meant. |
| 05:43.16 | flyboy | I don't have too many nice words to say about Canopy, but so many geeks work for them... |
| 05:43.30 | flyboy | Seems to me they are the real ones spurring this on. |
| 05:44.15 | flyboy | Well, I guess I always assume a conspiracy in matters like this. :) |
| 05:44.33 | LrnChndlr | nah, it's all microsoft ;) |
| 05:46.28 | flyboy | I had an old IBM thinkpad I was gonna see if I could trade. |
| 05:46.43 | LrnChndlr | wow, what processor speed? |
| 05:47.19 | LrnChndlr | there wasnt a whole lot there that was really worth trading for, it was mostly given away to whoever wanted it |
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| 05:54.18 | flyboy | It is a pentium class I think. |
| 05:54.30 | LrnChndlr | what is the model number? |
| 05:54.32 | flyboy | maybe a 120. |
| 05:55.23 | flyboy | type 2625. that mean anything to you? |
| 05:55.33 | LrnChndlr | no |
| 05:55.49 | LrnChndlr | doesnt have a model number, like 560ED or something? |
| 05:56.32 | flyboy | Here is the Linux page for it: http://www.geocities.com/dueze/thinkpad760el.html |
| 05:57.14 | flyboy | I don't know. Maybe I can stick a wireless card on there and go war driving. ;) |
| 06:09.42 | LrnChndlr | does it have windows or does it have linux installed? |
| 06:10.07 | flyboy | right now it has win95 with office and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 06:10.29 | flyboy | I'm trying to decide if I want to keep a usable system, or if I want to screw everything up by trying to install Linux. |
| 06:10.36 | LrnChndlr | i had a couple of similar ones, but they were P133's |
| 06:10.50 | LrnChndlr | with 1.33Gig HD's |
| 06:11.14 | LrnChndlr | do you have the CDROM drive for it? |
| 06:12.01 | flyboy | It's an external. :( |
| 06:12.13 | flyboy | Trying to figure out if I can get knoppix to boot off it. |
| 06:12.26 | flyboy | Then I can play/tweak to see how well/bad Linux runs on it. |
| 06:12.47 | LrnChndlr | i would rather have an external on those, dont have to shutdown and take the floppy out to install the cdrom drive |
| 06:13.04 | LrnChndlr | i dont think those will boot from the CDROM drive |
| 06:13.49 | LrnChndlr | but maybe you can have a boot floppy that will tell it to then boot from the cdrom |
| 06:13.51 | flyboy | I'm building a Knoppix floppy boot right now. |
| 06:14.17 | flyboy | I'll tell you in a few minute if it works. :0 |
| 06:20.20 | flyboy | :( |
| 06:20.22 | flyboy | Nope. |
| 06:20.37 | flyboy | It boots the kernel and searches for CD-ROM drives, but can't find one. |
| 06:20.49 | LrnChndlr | hmmm |
| 06:20.54 | flyboy | So unless I want to find a network adapater for it I'm pretty much hosed. |
| 06:21.04 | flyboy | Unless I want to run a VERY tiny Linux distro. :) |
| 06:21.30 | flyboy | It's some kind of Serial CD-ROM. |
| 06:21.36 | flyboy | Hooks up to LPT1. |
| 06:21.40 | LrnChndlr | you cant load drivers for the external cdrom drive? |
| 06:22.01 | flyboy | Well, knoppix comes with just about every CD-ROM driver out there. |
| 06:22.06 | flyboy | And it couldn't find it. |
| 06:22.34 | flyboy | It doesn't mean it's impossible, just means that it's much harder. |
| 06:22.52 | LrnChndlr | well, its probably not probing the parallel ports |
| 06:23.10 | flyboy | It would be nice to talke to LUG meetings and so forth, but hauling around a laptop with Win95 to those venues would make me a laughing stock. :) |
| 06:23.23 | LrnChndlr | i wonder if it's like a parallel port zip drive |
| 06:23.31 | flyboy | Could be. |
| 06:23.48 | LrnChndlr | has to load parport and i think some kind of scsi emulator |
| 06:23.58 | flyboy | Ahh. |
| 06:24.08 | flyboy | Well, I'll google a bit to see if I can find the answer. |
| 06:25.47 | flyboy | LOL! |
| 06:25.54 | flyboy | The drivers are on SCO's site!!! |
| 06:25.56 | Bradipo | Anyone here good at identifying spiders? |
| 06:26.07 | Bradipo | From a picture... |
| 06:26.25 | LrnChndlr | bradipo: i found a black widow in my flower bed last night when i was fixing my sprinklers |
| 06:26.39 | Bradipo | I just found a weird red spider... |
| 06:27.04 | Bradipo | Never seen one like it before so I was curious what it was. |
| 06:27.37 | LrnChndlr | maybe you've discovered a new species |
| 06:27.40 | Bradipo | http://www.soncat.com/digiphoto/photos/100100/Dscn0685_1001.jpg |
| 06:27.42 | LrnChndlr | name it whatever you like |
| 06:27.50 | Bradipo | Well, someone else took this picture so I'm not the first. |
| 06:28.10 | LrnChndlr | name it after your mother-in-law |
| 06:28.40 | Bradipo | http://www.soncat.com/digiphoto/photos/100100/Dscn0686_1001.jpg |
| 06:28.56 | Bradipo | I'm more concerned about whether it could bite my baby girl than what to name it. ;-) |
| 06:29.43 | LrnChndlr | looks pretty nasty, whatever it is |
| 06:30.10 | LrnChndlr | how old is your girl? |
| 06:30.43 | Bradipo | 11 months. |
| 06:31.19 | Bradipo | I bet Mecworks would know if he were around. :-) |
| 06:32.26 | flyboy | I went out on some rocks near the Salt Lake marina one day. May I suggest you NEVER do that. I turned around and realized I was surrounded by several hundred very large spiders. |
| 06:32.26 | flyboy | It's a wonder I didn't get bit on the way out. |
| 06:32.27 | LrnChndlr | my girl is 7 months |
| 06:32.27 | LrnChndlr | its a fun age |
| 06:32.27 | flyboy | I have a 6 month old son. |
| 06:32.33 | Bradipo | Yeah, that is a fun age. |
| 06:32.55 | Bradipo | So is 11 months. |
| 06:33.07 | Bradipo | She's really well mannered right now, so I hope it lasts. :-) |
| 06:33.37 | Bradipo | flyboy: How large were the spiders? |
| 06:33.51 | flyboy | Bradipo: About quarter size. |
| 06:34.42 | Bradipo | Ouch. |
| 06:36.33 | flyboy | For your pleasure: http://www.ryansimpkins.com/102-0230_img_1.jpg |
| 06:36.42 | flyboy | Must have been a thousand of them living on those rocks. |
| 06:36.47 | flyboy | Wasn't natrual. |
| 06:37.00 | flyboy | I thought they might have been put out there for pest control reasons. |
| 06:37.20 | Bradipo | lol |
| 06:37.54 | flyboy | Some were bigger than quarters. |
| 06:38.02 | flyboy | Quite scarry really. |
| 06:38.11 | flyboy | We left soon after that. |
| 06:40.48 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 06:41.07 | Bradipo | I wouldn't mind seeing the spiders, but getting spider webs all over me drives me nuts. |
| 06:42.10 | flyboy | I hear ya. |
| 06:42.39 | flyboy | like I said, it was amazing that when I went out on the rocks I didn't get a web and 3 or 4 spiders right in the face. |
| 06:42.50 | flyboy | It took me 30-40 minutes to work my way off the rocks. |
| 07:04.35 | LrnChndlr | good night |
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| 07:56.35 | flyboy | Anyone awake? |
| 10:40.27 | santafetrail | see y'all in 4 days |
| 10:40.44 | santafetrail | (staying online for your SCO larting pleasure) |
| 10:40.53 | santafetrail | ibot, sco? |
| 10:40.53 | | extra, extra, read all about it, sco is UNIX(tm), yup. really! they bought the trademark, so it must be. |
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| 14:53.59 | jtate | I'm wondering what that Stuart had to take home last night. |
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| 15:10.23 | loren_ | ok, someone say something |
| 15:10.32 | jtate | something |
| 15:10.55 | LrnChndlr | oh, i guess i am on twice, so i can say something |
| 15:11.10 | jtate | Anyone know what Soren had for Stuart? |
| 15:12.11 | LrnChndlr | test test |
| 15:12.18 | loren_ | test test |
| 15:12.30 | jtate | ~lart SCO |
| 15:12.48 | loren_ | sco |
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| 15:19.28 | jtate | ~insult sco |
| 15:22.44 | LrnChndlr | sco |
| 15:30.48 | Jayce^ | jtate, soren brought an old VAX... I'll have a picture online soon.. |
| 15:31.49 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: what do you have in your gaim_abbr file? |
| 15:32.16 | LrnChndlr | there are probably a lot more abbreviations than i can think of right now |
| 15:32.56 | LrnChndlr | i just loaded the festival plugin for xchat |
| 15:33.09 | LrnChndlr | cool, but couldget annoying, i think |
| 15:35.53 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr, I sent it to you, but I only have a couple in it.. |
| 15:36.16 | LrnChndlr | ok, thanks |
| 15:38.54 | LrnChndlr | off to work |
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| 15:51.02 | synic | someone give me some confort regarding the SCO issue. It's looking kind of bleak.... |
| 15:52.32 | jtate | synic: Have you read Eblen Moglen's response? |
| 15:52.53 | synic | no. |
| 15:53.50 | jtate | I'm looking for the link. |
| 15:54.16 | synic | thanks |
| 15:55.09 | jtate | Eben Moglen's response (the OSDL's position): http://www.osdl.org/docs/osdl_eben_moglen_position_paper.pdf |
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| 16:03.25 | jtate | synic: An official IBM statement: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/08/06/HNscobump_1.html and IBM countersued SCO as well. |
| 16:16.56 | tensai | any of you guys use web site monitoring services? |
| 16:24.52 | jtate | Just the ones provided by my hoster |
| 16:35.12 | levi | tensai: What do you mean by web site monitoring software? |
| 16:42.53 | HarleyPig | tensai: I used to. I also wrote my own. Got a question? |
| 16:46.12 | tensai | we're investigating companies that offer service checks from different locations around the net |
| 16:46.30 | tensai | if they notice anything not functioning, they send email, page, etc. |
| 16:47.17 | tensai | I'm using nagios for my in-house stuff, and that works great. I can extend it to watch our external web sites but it might be cool to have somebody else handle it |
| 16:47.27 | HarleyPig | Oh, I thought you meant ones you write and/or host on your own. I haven't used any 3rd party services. |
| 16:47.46 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... that sounds like a good side business to go into. |
| 16:48.08 | tensai | from the prices I've seen, it looks like a lucrative one. $50 a month per url |
| 16:50.40 | HarleyPig | That's probably a 1000 percent markup, depending on how many clients they have. |
| 16:50.47 | HarleyPig | Wait ... is that URL or site? |
| 16:51.08 | HarleyPig | And what about non http services? Do they provide monitoring for that too? |
| 16:51.35 | tensai | depends on the company (there's quite a few). some actually do say per url. |
| 16:51.47 | tensai | most will do https |
| 16:52.04 | tensai | imap, smtp, pop3, dns, ftp, etc. |
| 16:52.26 | HarleyPig | mysql? |
| 16:52.38 | tensai | some do custom scripting so you can make sure your login page works, for instance |
| 16:52.47 | tensai | hmm. don't think I've seen any mysql so far |
| 16:53.04 | tensai | some allow for custom ports, but that's just a TCP connect() |
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| 16:53.44 | ryno | hi synic |
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| 16:53.51 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... I wonder if I can install BigBrother on my host. |
| 16:55.04 | tensai | you know what would be cool, a community monitoring service. pool everybody's computers into a giant monitoring grid. |
| 16:55.26 | Jayce^ | distributed monitoring |
| 16:56.17 | HarleyPig | That's a good idea. |
| 16:58.04 | HarleyPig | Ahhh ... BigBrother went completely commercial!!! |
| 16:58.14 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 16:58.31 | HarleyPig | Oh ... no they didn't, but they're downplaying the non-supported version. |
| 16:59.36 | HarleyPig | But I wouldn't be able to use it for this purpose anymore ... they changed the license. *sigh* |
| 17:03.35 | tensai | HarleyPig: have you ever tried nagios? |
| 17:06.44 | HarleyPig | I haven't. Looking it up now. |
| 17:07.24 | HarleyPig | The author is looking to partner with companies providing services using his software. |
| 17:07.49 | HarleyPig | Another added service could be security scanning and reporting using nessus. |
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| 17:22.53 | jtate | synic: Have you gotten enough good news about the SCO thing today? |
| 17:23.04 | synic | yes :) enough for now |
| 17:23.23 | synic | I don't understand, still though. |
| 17:23.35 | synic | If there's so much word that they can't possibly win.. why do they try? |
| 17:23.45 | jtate | Some kind of God complex I guess. |
| 17:23.51 | synic | what do they have behind their backs? |
| 17:23.52 | jtate | or god complex |
| 17:24.04 | jtate | Lots of weed? |
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| 17:24.13 | synic | lol |
| 17:24.31 | jtate | Some low quality crack? |
| 17:24.55 | HarleyPig | What? What'd I miss? I move rooms and miss some wisecrack? sheesh |
| 17:25.12 | jtate | 13:24 < synic> what do they have behind their backs? |
| 17:25.12 | jtate | 13:24 < jtate> or god complex |
| 17:25.12 | jtate | 13:25 < jtate> Lots of weed? |
| 17:25.14 | synic | well, I hope so... I've just started liking Linux a lot, like FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS!!! |
| 17:25.34 | jtate | HarleyPig: Then you came in |
| 17:25.48 | jtate | Re SCo |
| 17:27.24 | jtate | synic: Have you read anything about the IBM countersuit? |
| 17:27.32 | synic | not yet |
| 17:27.53 | synic | I'm gonna have to donate to IBM or RedHat in the near future |
| 17:29.14 | jtate | synic: I wouldn't donate. It's not like they need our help. |
| 17:29.27 | Jayce^ | http://halls.infogenix.com/gallery/jayce/Plug/dsc00415.jpg |
| 17:29.29 | synic | yeah, but at least then I feel like I did something |
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| 17:30.07 | Jayce^ | just for sjansen.. |
| 17:30.09 | Jayce^ | http://halls.infogenix.com/gallery/jayce/Plug/dsc00415.jpg |
| 17:30.51 | synic | what'er you riding there? |
| 17:31.32 | Jayce^ | that's soren |
| 17:31.37 | Jayce^ | a VAX |
| 17:31.52 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I'm thinking more and more about taking that vax.. |
| 17:32.04 | Jayce^ | even if I don't get it working, it'd make a nifty office table/storage :) |
| 17:33.12 | jtate | That's nothin' |
| 17:33.34 | Jayce^ | he has an alpha that's the size of a smaller fridge too, but couldnt' bring it.. |
| 17:34.03 | jtate | At the Trilug swapmeet, we had a full height HP K-Class server |
| 17:34.17 | jtate | 4 System6000/250s |
| 17:35.16 | jtate | Someone bought a SUN mass storage unit with many many harddrives for 50 bucks |
| 17:36.35 | jtate | synic: Short rundown of the countersuit: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/08/07/HNibmlawsuit_1.html |
| 17:37.10 | synic | nice |
| 17:37.49 | Jayce^ | jtate, I had 1 250, and a 370 |
| 17:38.13 | Jayce^ | I actually had a sun scsi raid array, but no drives... fiber channel backplane |
| 17:39.23 | jtate | Did you see the listing for $8.00 9gb sca drives? New and reconditioned. |
| 17:43.24 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 17:44.45 | jtate | I'm trying to find it. |
| 17:50.52 | sjansen | Jayce^: Thanks for the picture. |
| 17:51.17 | Jayce^ | loved that.. |
| 18:09.02 | jtate | Jayce^: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_65gbhdrive.html |
| 18:10.25 | Jayce^ | dang, now if I just had money, I'd have a sweet scsi raid array on my box |
| 18:10.48 | jtate | They have 18giggers for 15.99 |
| 18:11.49 | Jayce^ | I believe this box handles 16 drives... in raid 5, that 216 gb for those 18's.. |
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| 21:09.48 | goozbach | ~lart sco |
| 21:11.30 | goozbach | HAIL IBM!! |
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| 21:32.15 | Jayce^ | Darl McBride: "We can't comment on the action yet. Our attorneys are still reviewing the court filing." |
| 21:32.15 | Jayce^ | No Mr. McBride, your attorneys are already dead |
| 21:32.15 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.03 | brailsmt_work | one heck of a counter-suit IBM filed today |
| 22:18.14 | Jayce^ | it's just cool, on sooo many levels.. |
| 22:18.16 | brailsmt_work | and smooth move by Novell on June 12th... |
| 22:18.37 | brailsmt_work | BM's suit revealed that Novell on June 12 effectively forbade SCO from terminating IBM's AIX license. SCO said it revoked the AIX license on June 16. Novell maintained the right to issue such instructions to SCO under the terms of the Unix sale, the suit said. |
| 22:18.41 | brailsmt_work | The letter Novell sent to SCO--included as an exhibit in IBM's countersuit--quotes a section of the contract under which Novell sold Unix to SCO's predecessor. Under that contract, Novell may require SCO "to amend supplement, modify or waive any rights under, or...assign any rights to, any (Unix System V) license to the extent so directed" by Novell. If SCO fails to do what Novell instructs, Novell "shall be authorized, and is hereby granted, the |
| 22:18.48 | brailsmt_work | very smooth |
| 22:19.49 | Jayce^ | very.. |
| 22:19.59 | Jayce^ | now we know what the novell guy was talking about earlier this week |
| 22:21.05 | brailsmt_work | what did he say? |
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| 22:25.23 | Jayce^ | quoted "You haven't heard the last from us about the copyright issue..." |
| 22:41.13 | brailsmt_work | Jayce^: quoted where? |
| 22:42.58 | Jayce^ | reporter talked to the guy right as he was getting on the novell jet to go to linuxworld.. |
| 22:43.11 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
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