| 02:01.58 | Hanuman | anyone know how to set auto-whitelist in spamassassin through the conf files? All I can see is where to put the auto-whitelist files. |
| 02:45.55 | Hanuman | nm - found it - don't know why I missed it. |
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| 04:09.13 | Bonez39 | greetings |
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| 05:42.16 | Bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.48 | brailsmt_ | my wife is trying to teach me the tenor part... |
| 05:48.51 | brailsmt_ | i suck! |
| 05:48.53 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 05:51.20 | levi_ | The tenor part of what? |
| 05:54.40 | Bradipo | la la la la la... |
| 05:56.23 | Bonez39 | either of you know how to get streaming audio to work in linux? I run xmms to play music cd's...that works fine..and my current browser of choice is opera..can't get the streaming audio to work though... |
| 06:01.42 | levi_ | What sort of streaming audio? |
| 06:02.21 | brailsmt_ | i only listen to mp3 streams, which xmms plays with no problem |
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| 06:48.52 | Bonez39 | levi? still around? |
| 06:50.21 | Bradipo | xmms should work. |
| 06:50.36 | Bradipo | You just need to make sure that it has support built in for the stream type you are accessing. |
| 06:50.41 | Bonez39 | levi: I was hoping to tap into 1) german radio...over the net, and 2) figure out how to enable sound so that when I get an email attachment, or someone sends a link, I can open the site and get the sound and animation... |
| 06:51.16 | Bradipo | German radio is easy enough once you find a station that broadcasts MP3. :-) |
| 06:51.17 | Bonez39 | Bradipo: and how do I get the right support built in? |
| 06:52.37 | Bonez39 | for example, under windows..I could just open a browser. find a radio station, or open real player..and hit my favorite list..and have it streaming the audio to my box..and speakers... |
| 06:52.48 | Bonez39 | seems a bit more complicated than that, here with linux |
| 06:54.23 | Bradipo | It might be more complicated. |
| 06:54.43 | Bradipo | Unless you have the browser configured to automatically load xmms when it hits the content-type you want. |
| 06:55.13 | Bradipo | I've never really had a problem with it, but then I don't copying and pasting a link into xmms. |
| 06:56.01 | brailsmt_ | though you can |
| 07:02.50 | Bonez39 | brailsmt1: how does that work? how can I link xmms to my browser (Opera) to start up when I hit a link to an MP3 |
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| 14:10.38 | SuD | hi, is this channel related to the Utah-GLX project? |
| 14:11.54 | jtate | I thought this was the Provo Linux Users Group channel |
| 14:12.12 | jtate | But I just got here. |
| 14:12.33 | elg | jtate is correct |
| 14:12.52 | elg | well, sort of - *nix users from all over utah, not just provo |
| 14:13.02 | elg | and even a few not living in utah now |
| 14:14.14 | jtate | and perhaps looking to move back |
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| 14:15.13 | elg | you can virtually move back by lurking here. ;-) |
| 14:15.26 | jtate | I'm hoping to pick up on job leads and such. |
| 14:15.40 | jtate | I'll be taking the RHCE at the end of August. |
| 14:18.26 | jtate | Are there other Utah LUGs besides plug and sllug? I saw a Green River page, but didn't see a mailing list. |
| 14:30.02 | elg | byu and usu have one. there are a couple of others too I think, either in the forming or already existant |
| 15:53.59 | Hanuman | Some of us just want to live in Utah... |
| 15:54.10 | Hanuman | Or pretend to want to |
| 15:54.51 | Hanuman | jtate: I'm not too far from you - up in Richmond, VA |
| 15:59.52 | Hanuman | Anyone here have experience with BigIP load-balancing? |
| 16:02.56 | jtate | Hanuman: I'd settle for more linux-centric |
| 16:03.48 | goozbach | jtate send me a resume goozbach@feelnostress.com |
| 16:04.59 | Hanuman | btw - my President rejected my Linux proposal |
| 16:05.26 | Hanuman | "We have too many more pressing issues to pursue before tackling such a task" |
| 16:06.00 | Hanuman | The thing is I volunteered to set up a Linux box after hours when no-one was here, so I don't see how it could affect the current "pressing-issues" |
| 16:06.19 | Hanuman | other than strenthen them |
| 16:06.37 | goozbach | Hanuman: that's too bad |
| 16:07.07 | Hanuman | I'm still pushing it, though - he hasn't heard the last of Linux |
| 16:07.23 | goozbach | good on ya |
| 16:07.24 | Hanuman | If all else fails maybe I'll start setting things up on my home machine for the company to use |
| 16:07.39 | goozbach | slow and sure. |
| 16:08.02 | goozbach | I'm slowly phasing out the windows boxes here in the office. |
| 16:08.25 | Hanuman | We only have 20 employees in our corporate office, so there shouldn't be too much traffic if I use it for certain things |
| 16:09.17 | goozbach | I started by replacing the mail server... without my boss' knowledge. |
| 16:11.37 | Hanuman | yeah - that's what I'm thinking of. At least setting up SMTP relay through my home server to filter out SPAM. I can then forward it on to our work Exchange box. |
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| 16:17.42 | Jayce^ | elg, http://www.sounduser.com/pageview.cfm?cd=50&p=1 |
| 16:17.55 | Jayce^ | I think there might be two versions of that cd too |
| 16:17.55 | goozbach | a couple months later my boss suggests I replace the pdc. (aparently his brother-in-law suggested it) |
| 16:25.51 | Hanuman | goozbach: that would be my dream come true |
| 16:26.07 | Hanuman | Too much of my time is wasted on this darn Windows machine |
| 16:26.27 | Hanuman | It's preventing me from accomplishing many of the "tasks at hand" |
| 16:32.42 | Hanuman | I've got that running at home (just w/ pop) I added f-prot virus scanning as well to scan e-mail attachments. I have only gotten one or two false-positives (I just need to whitelist one e-mail address and it will be fixed) |
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| 17:16.22 | elg | cool, the recent version of ion supports floating windows on selected desktops |
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| 17:40.28 | elg | i have a brilliant idea. have mutt pipe incoming emails to a program that blinks the scroll lock led in morse code, so I can see/read email coming in and yet easily ignore it |
| 17:40.35 | elg | now just gotta learn morse code ;-) |
| 17:45.42 | Jayce^ | why not just pipe it to festival? |
| 17:47.01 | elg | Jayce^: morse code is much more fun. ;-) |
| 17:47.15 | elg | i'm not really serious. If anything I need to be less aware of when I get new email :) |
| 17:49.54 | Jayce^ | I have festival read my gaim messages to me. |
| 18:02.52 | Jayce^ | . SCO stopped offering source code access under NDA to qualified C programmers after Ian Lance Taylor, author of much open-source and proprietary software, reported, "The code is fairly trivial--the kind of stuff I wrote in school. The similar portions of the code were some 80 lines or so. Looking around the Net, I found close variants of the code, with the same comments and variable names, in sources other than Linux distributions." |
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| 19:12.35 | brailsmt_work | its me again, and again, and again... |
| 19:14.46 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 19:15.20 | goozbach | really? |
| 19:17.55 | brailsmt_work | yeah, there is three of me... |
| 19:36.32 | jtate | brailsmt.*: you really need to run irssi on screen |
| 19:37.20 | jtate | Then you can log in from anywhere and connect to your already open irc client. |
| 19:37.46 | jtate | either that or register your nick with the nick server so that you can kill connections. |
| 19:43.39 | brailsmt_work | jtate: i am running irssi in screen, but i am three different machines and I am logging on my 300 MHz dinosaur with 40 GB disk drive, I don't care to ssh into a really slow machine just to chat |
| 19:43.46 | brailsmt_work | and my nick is registered ;) |
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| 19:53.07 | Hanuman | anyone willing to admit being an administrator over Windows servers? |
| 19:54.20 | Hanuman | that was a dumb question to ask... |
| 19:54.54 | Hanuman | I'm trying to figure out this stupid ISA server - SQUID is so much easier to manage |
| 19:56.30 | brailsmt_work | willingly admit that one uses windows... are you *JOKING*?!? |
| 19:56.35 | brailsmt_work | :) |
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| 20:00.40 | frodo | any work in utah for python programmer? |
| 20:03.20 | levi | Uh oh, you said 'python' |
| 20:03.57 | frodo | yesiree I said python |
| 20:04.34 | levi | Apparently everyone else on here hates python. You're not cool unless you code in perl or ruby. |
| 20:05.28 | frodo | weird I've tried both, but python floats my boat currently |
| 20:06.13 | levi | Not that it should bother you that the silly people here don't like it, it's just that they're not likely to know about any python work since they go off half-cocked spouting anti-python rhetoric whenever it's mentioned. |
| 20:06.19 | brailsmt_work | python blows... (well at least all the python that I have seen) :) |
| 20:06.23 | brailsmt_work | btw, welcome to the list :D |
| 20:06.27 | brailsmt_work | err, channel |
| 20:06.37 | levi | Watch out for him! |
| 20:06.46 | levi | He's the biggest offender. |
| 20:06.47 | frodo | anti-python rhetoric |
| 20:07.04 | jtate | brailsmt_work must not like RPM |
| 20:07.05 | brailsmt_work | yeah, i just had a bad experience with python... |
| 20:07.08 | frodo | well I like ruby, but the community is japanese and I no speak japanses |
| 20:07.13 | brailsmt_work | rpm? |
| 20:07.21 | jtate | Yeah, well at least anaconda |
| 20:07.24 | brailsmt_work | frodo: ever tried #ruby-lang? |
| 20:07.40 | jtate | 't know how to type |
| 20:07.41 | frodo | brailsmt_work: ya tried that |
| 20:07.42 | levi | I like rpms when they're in my car's engine. |
| 20:08.15 | jtate | Hard to not use something that's python based and use Linux. |
| 20:08.18 | brailsmt_work | i hate rpms as in an excuse for a package management system |
| 20:08.59 | brailsmt_work | i started my linux experience with mandrake, so i know of what i speak re: rpms |
| 20:09.26 | jtate | Rpm's are ok, but then you get the rpm bigots who say that you should install nothing from tarball. |
| 20:09.36 | levi | Yeah, well, I started my linux experience when RPMs didn't even exist! |
| 20:09.47 | levi | We had to untar things manually uphill both ways! |
| 20:09.55 | brailsmt_work | then you get the gentooers that say emerge is the way of the future |
| 20:10.11 | jtate | I would like to try gentoo at some point, but I don't have a machine to dedicate to it right now. |
| 20:10.44 | levi | I'm using gentoo right now. |
| 20:10.46 | brailsmt_work | i mean portage for cygwin and mac osx are in the works |
| 20:10.52 | levi | It works, but I am not in awe or anything. |
| 20:11.25 | brailsmt_work | i am, especially after using debian here at work... |
| 20:11.27 | levi | It's like debian, but installing things takes 100x as long! |
| 20:11.51 | jtate | my first install was debian |
| 20:11.59 | brailsmt_work | apt does not allow you to customize things to the extent that portage does |
| 20:12.09 | brailsmt_work | ie, USE vars |
| 20:12.29 | levi | No, it doesn't. But it also doesn't require you to waste days compiling everything. Tradeoffs! |
| 20:12.35 | brailsmt_work | i get ruby support in any app that supports it automatically with no thought on my part |
| 20:13.09 | brailsmt_work | levi: though gentoo 1.4 will include binary pckages for the large time consuming compiles if you want it |
| 20:13.22 | brailsmt_work | ie, kde, open office, mozilla |
| 20:13.24 | brailsmt_work | etc.. |
| 20:14.04 | brailsmt_work | i take the USE vars over apt anyday, even with the compile time thrown in |
| 20:14.29 | brailsmt_work | it makes your system much more uniform... |
| 20:14.31 | levi | Yeah. I'm not saying I dislike gentoo. It works pretty well. It's just not WAY SOOOPER COOL GOTTA HAVE IT!!11 kind of good. |
| 20:15.07 | elg | amen levi |
| 20:16.12 | brailsmt_work | i disagree |
| 20:16.13 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 20:16.28 | levi | You can disagree with me all you want, if you don't mind being wrong. |
| 20:16.28 | brailsmt_work | as expected, i'm sure |
| 20:16.35 | brailsmt_work | ditto |
| 20:19.33 | levi | brailsmt: Well, sure, you'd say that. But your opinions are tainted by your fanaticism. I'm impartial! ;) |
| 20:20.10 | brailsmt_work | me, fanatical? you are off your rocker... |
| 20:20.29 | elg | lol |
| 20:20.37 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:20.38 | elg | is there one more fanatical? |
| 20:20.54 | levi | elg: Well, yes. But not here. |
| 20:21.10 | levi | RMS puts brailsmt to shame. |
| 20:21.54 | brailsmt_work | just that ruby and gentoo happen to be so good |
| 20:21.56 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
| 20:22.05 | brailsmt_work | and vim too |
| 20:22.30 | levi | They are but useful tools amongst many other useful tools. |
| 20:23.35 | elg | jtate: and if perl can do it, so can C |
| 20:23.43 | levi | brailsmt: No, I'm just giving you a hard time |
| 20:23.43 | brailsmt_work | or asm |
| 20:24.01 | levi | I've never found any computable problem that couldn't be solved with a turing machine! |
| 20:24.02 | brailsmt_work | i have yet to find soemthing that perl can do that ruby cannot... |
| 20:24.57 | elg | fortune sayeth: If it has syntax, it's not user-friendly. |
| 20:25.31 | brailsmt_work | lol |
| 20:25.40 | brailsmt_work | english is not user freindly |
| 20:25.47 | brailsmt_work | nor is any spoken language |
| 20:25.58 | jtate | brailsmt_work: Run on a machine that doesn't have a ruby interpreter? |
| 20:26.02 | levi | I have yet to find a computation that a turing machine could perform that could not be represented via the lambda calculus! |
| 20:26.31 | jtate | Hard to find a machine these days that doesn't have perl installed. |
| 20:26.31 | brailsmt_work | jtate: sure you can pkg the interpreter with a ruby script if you need to |
| 20:26.33 | goozbach | frodo: you may want to talk to Nafai on fslc.usu.edu #linux he works with python in Utah. |
| 20:32.38 | brailsmt_work | jtate: of course perll cannot run on a machine without a perl interpreter... ;) |
| 20:39.32 | jtate | brailsmt_work: I bet you can count those machines on one hand. |
| 20:39.53 | jtate | You can't even build python without perl. |
| 20:41.48 | Hanuman | brailsmt_work: you can compile perl so it can execute without perl installed |
| 20:44.03 | levi | You can compile C code so it can be executed without the compiler installed. It's revolutionary! |
| 20:44.27 | Hanuman | now that's cool |
| 20:44.54 | brailsmt_work | you can run microsoft without your brain insstalled! |
| 20:46.31 | Hanuman | Isn't that what most people do anyway? |
| 20:47.09 | levi | Well, most people are using their computers for things other than the sake of just using computers. |
| 20:47.09 | brailsmt_work | thats what they want to do, they want to run a computer without learning anything about how to do it... |
| 20:47.16 | jtate | brailsmt_work: One could also do that with Lindows |
| 20:47.56 | levi | Why should everyone be forced to learn all sorts of obscure garbage that is completely irrelevant to their primary task? |
| 20:48.30 | brailsmt_work | why should people learn to read when it is completely irrelevant to their primary task of surviving? |
| 20:48.53 | levi | Reading is a primary method of exchanging information. Completely different. |
| 20:49.21 | brailsmt_work | nope, primary method of exchanging information is a language, which requires no reading or writing |
| 20:49.51 | levi | I didn't say 'the' primary method. |
| 20:50.05 | jtate | besides many people don't learn to read. |
| 20:50.32 | levi | Writing is an integral component of language, and has been for thousands of years. It's useful by itself. |
| 20:51.05 | levi | This is an irrelevant tangent, anyway. |
| 20:51.07 | brailsmt_work | languages existed long before writing |
| 20:51.22 | levi | Why should using a computer to accomplish a task be difficult when it could be easy? |
| 20:51.56 | jtate | Why should one need to learn how to use a text editor to fix their mouse wheel scrolling problems? |
| 20:52.49 | levi | My point is, insulting Windows for being usable without training is silly and self-defeating. |
| 20:52.50 | brailsmt_work | jtate: they don't, but they should learn more than a tech support number to fix their mouse wheel, or they should know enough to understand how to fix common errors... no text editor required |
| 20:53.32 | levi | Complexity for the sake of creating an elite class of users is also silly. |
| 20:55.03 | brailsmt_work | i advocate that people become computer literate |
| 20:55.09 | goozbach | hell lets just eliminate all the users altogether: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/30/1250213 |
| 20:55.35 | jtate | I actually advocate having computer users pay computer literates to fix their problems. |
| 20:55.44 | jtate | Why not? They pay doctors to fix aches and pains. |
| 20:55.50 | brailsmt_work | and that people stop balking at learning something new if a computer is involved |
| 20:56.03 | jtate | They pay lawyers to get them out of legal trouble. |
| 20:56.15 | levi | I advocate computers becoming more useful to people who would rather do other things than learn complex and otherwise unnecessary systems just so they can get an unrelated job done. |
| 20:56.32 | jtate | brailsmt_work: Who cares. That's probably what keeps you and me employed. |
| 21:03.24 | Jayce^ | dang, was afk for the language disputes again... |
| 21:03.29 | Jayce^ | I miss all the fun |
| 21:04.06 | levi | We can find something else to disagree about, I'm sure. |
| 21:04.24 | Jayce^ | of course.. |
| 21:04.57 | Jayce^ | sorry, had to do it. |
| 21:05.28 | tensai | Hanuman: I'll admit it. Still need help? |
| 21:06.19 | levi | Hey, I don't care what you guys think about my car. I get plenty of compliments from good-looking women; they matter more than those of computer geek guys. ;) |
| 21:06.31 | Jayce^ | lol... |
| 21:10.50 | Hanuman | tensai: My musicmatch jukebox can't connect to CDDB or any of the internet features, and some users of Spinner on our network can't connect to Spinner. I'm almost sure it's an ISA server issue |
| 21:11.11 | Hanuman | Funny thing is I'm allowing just about all access for members of our domain |
| 21:11.43 | levi | Random fact: 'ginger altoids' is the number 3 search term that brings people to my web pages. |
| 21:12.26 | elg | wow. that's great |
| 21:12.57 | tensai | Hanuman: but they can get to other sites, right? |
| 21:13.12 | Hanuman | tensai: correct |
| 21:13.17 | Jayce^ | uhhh, so what would cause those to go to your site? |
| 21:13.29 | levi | I mentioned them in a blog entry. |
| 21:13.33 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 21:13.48 | tensai | isn't cddb just a cgi interface? |
| 21:14.16 | Hanuman | yeah should just be going through normal http if I understand correctly |
| 21:14.21 | tensai | what about freedb? |
| 21:14.21 | Jayce^ | think so |
| 21:14.22 | Hanuman | Very weird |
| 21:14.31 | tensai | have you tried it? |
| 21:14.48 | Hanuman | haven't - I don't know if musicmatch can be configured to connect to another music db |
| 21:15.00 | levi | I managed to get a tin of ginger altoids recently. They're pretty good. |
| 21:15.28 | Hanuman | I don't think it would work anyway - it's acting like musicmatch can't see my internet connection |
| 21:15.37 | Hanuman | spinner's the same way |
| 21:15.53 | tensai | 'There are two forms of remote access to freedb servers, CDDBP and HTTP.' |
| 21:16.00 | Hanuman | both are set to just go through the proxy server to get to internet |
| 21:16.08 | tensai | I bet it's using CDDBP and ignoring the proxy |
| 21:16.19 | Hanuman | maybe |
| 21:16.23 | tensai | have you watched with a sniffer? |
| 21:16.44 | Hanuman | I need to do that - it's so low of a priority, though that I haven't put much attention to doing it yet |
| 21:17.54 | tensai | looks like it's cddb.cddb.com port 8880 |
| 21:18.22 | tensai | is ISA running transparently or explicitly? |
| 21:19.43 | Hanuman | both - you must specify to connect through the proxy in order to be able to access the internet at all. All users also have to have the MS firewall client installed on their systems |
| 21:20.13 | tensai | so does ISA run more like a SOCKS proxy in that it proxies /all/ traffic? |
| 21:20.22 | Hanuman | yes |
| 21:20.48 | tensai | maybe port 8880 is restricted |
| 21:21.50 | Hanuman | That could very well be it. Musicmatch told me all connections that their program makes go through your normal web connection, though. I couldn't get any port numbers out of them. I'll have to try port 8880 |
| 21:22.36 | Hanuman | That's the problem w/ Windows - there are no docs other than stupid tech support people that have no knowledge of the system they are supporting |
| 21:22.42 | tensai | if you want to test with telnet use the commands MOTD and QUIT |
| 21:22.43 | Hanuman | well, gotta get to school... |
| 21:22.49 | Hanuman | k - tnx! |
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| 21:31.05 | Jayce^ | "all(<<your base>>) are Belong("to us");" is now a legal Perl 6 statement. I'm fairly certain that's one of the signs of the impending Apocalypse (umm... pun not intended). |
| 21:34.18 | goozbach | cool |
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| 23:16.21 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I noticed you added a postive recommendation for PLUG's server in Trustic. :-) |
| 23:17.22 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:17.30 | Jayce^ | figure I'd try it out while it's free |
| 23:18.09 | Jayce^ | course I had to turn off auto-bouncing, it rejected one of my work emails because it came from comcast.net |
| 23:19.19 | goozbach | anyone here going to linuxworld? |
| 23:21.19 | Jayce^ | I wish |
| 23:50.13 | goozbach | Jayce^: wanna go? If I can get enough people to foot the bill we're going. |
| 23:51.00 | Jayce^ | how much? |
| 23:52.31 | goozbach | not sure yet we have ~$250 for gas (overall) and are looking into the hotel. |
| 23:56.47 | brailsmt_work | where is it? |
| 23:57.04 | goozbach | san francisco |
| 23:57.15 | Jayce^ | sf |
| 23:57.27 | brailsmt_work | nm |
| 23:57.30 | brailsmt_work | ;) |