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| 06:06.20 | brailsmt | you know whatI hate about headphones? you can't feel the bass |
| 06:06.34 | Bradipo | lol |
| 06:13.09 | Bradipo | I suppose you sit close then? |
| 07:44.17 | levi_ | I love headphones. They have great sound reproduction and stereo imaging, if you get good ones. |
| 08:38.54 | brailsmt | don't get me wrong the sound is nice because the good ones that cover your ears create good sound quality, but the bass is lacking... |
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| 16:41.47 | goozbach | I did it all for the nookie |
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| 17:18.08 | Hanuman | any redhat spamassassin users out there? |
| 17:23.31 | Bradipo | Is the RedHat Spamassassin different from normal spamassassin? |
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| 17:26.10 | Hanuman | I'm just wondering where RedHat puts the site-wide spamassassin config files from the rpm |
| 17:27.22 | Hanuman | nm - I think I found it - /etc/mail/spamassassin, I believe |
| 17:28.19 | Hanuman | Is there a good way to test spamassassin to make sure it is working? Anyone got some spam they want to send to me??? ;-) |
| 17:34.27 | goozbach | I could try |
| 17:34.31 | goozbach | email? |
| 17:34.38 | Hanuman | jesse@thestays.org |
| 17:36.34 | goozbach | see if that works. |
| 17:37.01 | goozbach | my domain isn't blacklisted so it may not work. |
| 17:37.16 | Hanuman | I'm waiting for it to get here |
| 17:37.34 | goozbach | it should be from goozbach@feelnostress.com |
| 17:38.02 | Jayce^ | Hanuman, look in the headers, see if it adds anything |
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| 17:38.49 | Hanuman | I wonder if it was rejected...I still haven't gotten it. What logs would tell me that? |
| 17:39.04 | Hanuman | nm - just found a message in my maillog - it's processing |
| 17:39.47 | Hanuman | well, it wasn't yours - it was from Ebates, but it marked it as spam |
| 17:40.04 | Hanuman | still haven't gotten yours yet, though |
| 17:40.15 | Jayce^ | I didn't send one.. |
| 17:40.27 | Hanuman | yeah - it was normal spam that I usually get |
| 17:40.42 | Hanuman | I like it when Ebates is marked as spam |
| 17:41.00 | Jayce^ | so did you play around with the conf file? |
| 17:41.05 | Hanuman | spamassassin -t works, too with the sample spam files they give, so I think it's working |
| 17:41.22 | Hanuman | I messed a little with /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf |
| 17:44.20 | Hanuman | Now I need to set up IMAP and set up user-based bayesian filters |
| 17:45.00 | Hanuman | Know of any spam-assassin web interfaces that work with the SQL module of spamassassin? |
| 17:45.37 | goozbach | I think there is a webmin module in the works. |
| 17:45.49 | Jayce^ | would make sense.. |
| 17:46.06 | Jayce^ | spamassassin sql module? haven't seen that one |
| 17:46.25 | Hanuman | hmmm...that could be useful. I'd like to set this up at my company and let each employee configure their own spam settings |
| 17:46.45 | Hanuman | Jayce^: hold on a sec - I'll get you the link |
| 17:48.09 | Hanuman | guess it's not a module, but works w/ spamassassin to allow you to pull user-preferences from a db |
| 17:48.12 | Hanuman | http://eu.spamassassin.org/dist/sql/README |
| 17:49.14 | Hanuman | Looks like there is a php interface as well on that page |
| 18:11.25 | Hanuman | This spamassassin is pretty cool - very smart |
| 18:18.42 | Hanuman | my brother just informed me that he was going, and I didn't even know about it |
| 18:54.08 | Hanuman | Jayce^: know of any good PGP how-to's? I would like to make a system-wide PGP server, so that every e-mail that goes through it gets encrypted w/ a PGP signature - is this possible? |
| 18:55.10 | Bradipo | Hanuman: So, any email that gets sent out is signed by a system key? |
| 18:56.05 | Hanuman | yeah - is it possible? |
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| 19:03.44 | Bradipo | Anything is possible. :-) |
| 19:03.52 | Bradipo | What are your reasons for doing that? |
| 19:04.04 | Bradipo | Or rather, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:04.52 | Hanuman | I'm just configuring my family e-mail server, and would rather send e-mail using PGP rather than unsigned. |
| 19:05.20 | Hanuman | I want anyone in my family with an account to automatically be able to send that way without any configuration |
| 19:05.40 | Bradipo | What would that prove? |
| 19:06.02 | Bradipo | If, for example, I hacked into your server and started sending email, would that prove that the messages were signed by them? |
| 19:06.28 | Bradipo | I don't think automatic and PGP go together when you are talking about verifying signatures on email. |
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| 19:06.36 | Bradipo | Of course, that's my opinion. :-) |
| 19:06.54 | Bradipo | Why do you want the messages signed? |
| 19:07.00 | Hanuman | makes sense. So should all PGP be signed on the client machine, then? |
| 19:07.14 | Hanuman | just for privacy |
| 19:07.26 | Hanuman | I want to learn about PGP, too |
| 19:08.08 | Bradipo | Well, it can be signed on the server, but I think some kind of authorization should be required (i.e. not just automatic). |
| 19:08.33 | Bradipo | You might require them to enter a special passphrase when they first login which is used to sign their stuff with PGP. |
| 19:08.56 | Bradipo | Then it would be somewhat automatic, but still require them to know the passphrase. |
| 19:09.03 | Hanuman | Explain to me how PGP works...why would I want to use it? Maybe I don't understand it completely. |
| 19:09.34 | Bradipo | PGP is just a public key crypto system that allows you to establish trust and encrypt messages. |
| 19:10.14 | Bradipo | It involves a public and private key. |
| 19:10.36 | Bradipo | You keep the private key private and encrypted with a passphrase so that nobody can use it but you. |
| 19:10.54 | Bradipo | You make the public key available to others so that they can send you encrypted messages and also verify messages that you have signed. |
| 19:11.15 | Bradipo | You sign messages with your private key, to which only you have access, and the signature is validated with the public key. |
| 19:11.37 | Bradipo | So, once signed, there is no way you can prove that you didn't sign the message since the public key is obtainable by all. |
| 19:11.50 | Bradipo | You could claim that someone hacked your system and stole your private key. |
| 19:12.07 | Bradipo | Following all this? :-) |
| 19:19.32 | Hanuman | Bradipo: yeah - makes sense |
| 19:20.00 | Hanuman | So basically it's a cover-your-rear-end system to be able to make sure it is only you that sends e-mails |
| 19:20.58 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 19:21.10 | Bradipo | Otherwise, you can't plausibly say that it was you that sent the message. |
| 19:21.25 | Bradipo | And people wouldn't be able to trust your signature anyway, so why sign? |
| 19:22.22 | Bradipo | When you make your public key available, people can download it and assign a certain level of trust to it. |
| 19:22.38 | Bradipo | Thus providing some legitimacy to email that you send. |
| 19:22.47 | Hanuman | okay - I'll have to look into what the best way of doing this is, then. Our client machine is a Windows machine, but I have most everything going through my Linux box for security. I've then got a Netgear router above that that keeps all other ports closed. |
| 19:23.10 | Bradipo | If you always sign your email with your PGP signature, and one day they get an email that isn't signed, or the signature doesn't check out, then they could theoretically assume that the email is falsified. |
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| 22:01.50 | Hanuman | anyone have rpm just stall on you when you run it? I can go in and kill it, but it still stalls. |
| 22:26.49 | synic | what rpm? |
| 22:30.32 | Hanuman | any rpm |
| 22:31.38 | synic | hrmm. |
| 22:31.52 | synic | this happens all the time, or just sometimes? |
| 22:33.17 | Hanuman | it was working just fine, and then all of the sudden after downloading one rpm, it froze on me. I had to go into another session and kill it, and since then rpm freezes every time before it even starts processing the file. |
| 22:33.34 | Hanuman | I imagine it would fix itself if I reboot, but I doubt that's necessary. |
| 22:34.37 | synic | huh, that's kinda odd. No weird processes now? |
| 22:34.59 | Hanuman | not that I can see |
| 22:35.16 | Hanuman | I tried a ps -ax |grep rpm |
| 22:35.27 | Hanuman | no other rpm instance is running |
| 22:35.48 | Hanuman | The only thing I can think of is some other program is running rpm |
| 22:36.21 | synic | hrmm. could be. I know almost null about rpm. |
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| 23:26.32 | Hanuman_ | I think I figured it out (after rebooting, unfortunately). It's a bug with rpm and some sort of missing SIGCHLD. bugzilla has a fix or at least workaround for it. |
| 23:27.05 | Hanuman_ | So much for my 15 days of no power-outages and continuous uptime |