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01:22.50goozbachany of you guys seen the cool javascript play-by-play applet from mlb.com?
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02:26.29brailsmthans: how did you get figlet and cowsay to play nice?
02:45.19emcnabbcowsay rocks!
02:45.24emcnabbI feel enlightened
02:45.38emcnabbI learned something new today
02:45.44emcnabbthat is oh so useful
02:53.08brailsmti have a really good (if not offcolor cowsay joke)
02:53.22brailsmta few parens got mixed up there...
02:53.55brailsmtthis from LDSOSS and Michael Halcrow...
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02:54.13brailsmtwith the obvious exception of emacs over vim
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03:16.40HanumanJayce^: you in here?
03:32.55hansbrailsmt: use -n
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03:57.31BradipoOk, I need to be able to determine the beginning of the month in a script (Tcl)
03:57.36BradipoAny ideas?
03:58.15Bradipo% clock format [clock scan "3 weeks ago sunday"]
03:58.29BradipoThat is nice, but it doesn't give me the first Sunday necessarily.
04:02.33Bradipoclock format [clock scan "sunday > 2003-07"
04:02.37BradipoOops.
04:02.40BradipoWrong window. :-)
04:03.26hansI know some tcl, but I thought it was kind of odd. :)
04:08.25brailsmtmuch better, thx hans
04:08.26BradipoTcl is excellent.
04:08.56BradipoBut I guess it doesn't have to be Tcl specific, just an idea on how to determine the first sunday of the month.
04:09.25BradipoI can figure out the current month easily enough.
04:10.06brailsmtcan;t you do something like "find the next sunday from the ifrst day of this month"
04:10.22BradipoI tried something like that.
04:10.31BradipoYou mean with the clock scan command?
04:10.32brailsmthow can that miss?
04:12.04BradipoI guess I could iterate from the beginning of the month until I hit a Sunday.
04:12.37brailsmtcan you backup a day at a time?  you could start at day seven and see if that is sunday, then day six, etc...
04:12.52brailsmtor forwards
04:13.16BradipoMight as well start with day 1 and go forward.
04:13.40brailsmtyeah
04:14.19brailsmtor just find out what day the first of the month is and add that approriate number of seconds to get to sunday...
04:14.54brailsmtie, if it is monday, add 6 * (60 * 60 * 24) to the time...
04:15.17brailsmtif clock scan uses the normal "seconds since the epoch" method of tracking time
04:16.10BradipoIt does.
04:16.23BradipoIt also has a more precise method called clock ticks.
04:17.38brailsmtirb(main):009:0> t1 = Time.at t.to_i - 22 * 60 * 60 * 24
04:17.38brailsmt=> Tue Jul 01 22:13:13 MDT 2003
04:17.38brailsmtirb(main):010:0> t1 += 5 * 60 * 60 * 24
04:17.39brailsmt=> Sun Jul 06 22:13:13 MDT 2003
04:17.40brailsmt;)
04:17.50brailsmtwhere t is Time.now
04:17.53brailsmtor current time
04:20.47hansis it too early to wish a happy pioneer's day?
04:21.41hansi'll wait til morning.
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07:06.54_gps_hi
07:07.25BradipoYo.
07:08.36BradipoAs you can see from the topic, its mostly chat about Linux in here and *nix related topics.
07:09.34_gps_ok, I'll stay ontopic.
07:11.06_gps_I'm contemplating moving to NetBSD.
07:11.21_gps_But there are some oddities about it that puzzle me.
07:11.29BradipoLike what?
07:11.37BradipoBTW, I've never really used NetBSD.
07:11.45_gps_They have a scheduler that apparently ups the priority of processes after they run for a period of time.  I've heard you can disable it though.
07:11.54BradipoI am a big OpenBSD fan and use it for firewalls and even the laptop I'm using right now.
07:12.15_gps_Then they are against having an ldconfig//etc/ld.so.conf and prefer to use -R when building to hardcode the path.
07:12.30_gps_I'm an OpenBSD fan, but Theo de Raadt has sickened me.
07:12.35Bradipolol
07:12.42BradipoI can't say I blame you.
07:12.50BradipoI've learned to ignore it.
07:12.56_gps_I wrote two articles for O'Reilly with him, and I've gotten so I don't want to use his stuff.
07:13.08BradipoCertainly not the warm cuddly Linus type.
07:13.27_gps_yah
07:13.54_gps_Stallman is a pretty nice guy too.
07:14.05_gps_I've emailed him a few times.
07:14.08BradipoI've never met him, but he looks nice.
07:14.34_gps_With Theo I keep wondering if I'm missing some part of the conversation.
07:14.53_gps_But, then I look through the email and I'm not.
07:15.35_gps_I had the same odd observation when I was going through his NetBSD vs. Theo messages, and openssh.org vs. Theo.
07:16.24BradipoYeah.
07:16.36BradipoSometimes technical people have a hard time communicating with the rest of the world.
07:16.46BradipoIts worse if you are a programmer.
07:16.49BradipoSerious programmer.
07:17.26BradipoI bet heavy duty programmers would make an interesting study for some sociologist (or even a psychiatrist).
07:17.35_gps_lol
07:17.50BradipoI mean, we gotta be nuts sometimes.
07:17.59BradipoHere I am, writing a Tcl program in the middle of the night.
07:18.08BradipoI know that I have work in the morning as well.
07:18.18BradipoI'll be dog tired, but I love to write code.
07:18.25_gps_:)
07:18.27BradipoAnd IRC at the same time.
07:21.23_gps_Slashdot mentions X-Plane.  Any of you tried it?
07:23.09BradipoOh, we have a lot of bzflag players here.
07:23.20BradipoIn fact, the maintainer/writer of bzflag is in here all the time. :-)
07:23.36_gps_I'm getting DSL next week, so I suspect I'll be playing it a lot more.
07:23.40BradipoNot in here right now it looks like.
07:23.40_gps_cool
07:24.00Bradiponever played X-Plane.
07:25.50BradipoIt looks cool though.
07:27.28_gps_I've been working on a toy that may lead to a game.
07:27.53_gps_I'm playing around with projecting points and building objects and then rendering them on a Tcl canvas.
07:28.18_gps_s/Tcl/Tk
07:29.03BradipoIs that part of your CFlexText?
07:29.17_gps_nope
07:29.27_gps_It uses my SDynObject system.
07:29.36BradipoCool.
07:29.47BradipoDo you have any screenshots?
07:30.31_gps_not ATM.  see: http://www.xmission.com/~georgeps/math/3D_Objects-6.zip
07:31.38_gps_hint: start it like: wish8.4 3D_Objects.tcl
07:32.16BradipoOk.
07:33.20_gps_I've wanted to make a MechWarrior type of game, but just using lines and simple polygons.
07:34.02_gps_The first MechWarrior (for DOS) had the ability to draw just the outlines of the objects, and I thought it was really cool.
07:34.36BradipoDoes it require 8.4?
07:34.42_gps_It seems like it should be a lot simpler to implement, and I won't need to have accelerated 3D to run it.
07:34.49_gps_hold on, I'll check.
07:35.06BradipoWell, it seems to run, but I don't know if I am missing out on features. ;-)
07:35.10_gps_runs with wish8.3
07:35.40_gps_Well, other than Do Loop you can play around with it like so:
07:35.52_gps_cmd431269071->move 5 5 0 ; cmd431269071->draw .c
07:36.18_gps_Where x=5 y=5 and z=0.  The cmd name will be different most likely.
07:36.34BradipoAhh, I see.
07:36.36_gps_It's bound to <Return>
07:36.39BradipoI was wondering how to modify it.
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07:40.10BradipoSo, what does the loop do?
07:40.15BradipoJust resize it?
07:40.33_gps_it alters the z
07:41.46_gps_My next step will be to build more complex objects.
07:41.56BradipoOh, I see.
07:42.14_gps_Now that I have a framework for drawing polygons from a list of points I can hopefully move on to more fun stuff.
07:42.55BradipoThat actually works pretty good.
07:44.08_gps_The task proc could use some work.
07:44.20_gps_Do you know of a generic task-type of package?
07:45.21_gps_like one that uses after, but provides a generic interface...
07:46.23BradipoHmm, I don't know of one.
07:47.55_gps_Basically what I think I want is the ability to run a task n times, then have it do a second task n times, and finally loop back to the first.
07:48.15_gps_I tried to design something like that and have failed so far...
07:48.33_gps_My current approach uses a tkwait, but I don't like using it.
07:49.02BradipoWhat about building up the tasks as commands then putting them into some kind of a queue?
07:49.13BradipoAnd eval'ing them?
07:49.17BradipoOr something like that.
07:49.35_gps_That would probably work.
07:50.12BradipoYou could include a count for the number of times to run them.
07:50.31_gps_hmm, but how to design it for after?
07:50.44BradipoThat's the hard part...
07:51.01Bradipovwait?
07:52.02_gps_That would be like my current usage of tkwait.
07:52.22_gps_It seems to be problematic if an unexpected halt occurs, but it may just by my usage of it.
07:53.00_gps_tkwait variable is like vwait right?
07:53.12BradipoYeah.
07:53.14BradipoI believe it is.
07:53.25BradipoI think it's vwait...
07:53.54BradipoI have used it to do event driven applications.
07:54.04BradipoUsually works pretty good, but can be difficult to get right.
07:56.48_gps_zzZ time.  g'night
07:57.19_gps_oh, and if you feel like playing around with the code feel free.
07:57.53_gps_I'll probably BSD license it.
07:58.46BradipoLater.
07:59.08_gps_Later
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14:14.15HanumanHappy pioneer day eveyone!
14:14.56HanumanI think all OSS developers ought to celebrate pioneer day - aren't we all pioneers?
15:08.21Hanumanhans: you there?
15:22.08HanumanMan - does everyone have the day off up in Utah today?  I never got pioneer day off.
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15:24.31hanshere
15:24.52hanslast ascii art, going out with a bang...
15:24.55Hanumanhey hans!
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15:25.38HanumanThat's terrible
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15:26.50hansif you are asked to work on a state holiday, aren't you supposed to get time and a half?
15:33.03BradipoThat looks like a butterfly.
15:35.07HanumanIs it a bee?
15:35.34Hanumanhans: I don't know - wonder if I could approach all previous employers that made me work pioneer day and request my money
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16:02.46BradipoI think it's supposed to be a covered wagon, but it looks like a butterfly.
16:05.15hanslol. it's a covered wagon.
16:05.33hanswell, if I knew it was required by law, I could get my brother to demand it or demand the day off and come play :)
16:14.17Hanumanhans: Do I have to make procmail work with an MTA such as qmail, sendmail,etc in order to receive mail, or will it work by itself?
16:15.24HanumanAlso, will it work with SpamAssasin, or is it meant as a replacement for SpamAssasin?
16:48.26hansHanuman: it should work without any tinkering, unles your mta is odd. qmail might fall in that category, but I'm not sure.
16:48.47hansif there's a ~/.procmailrc procmail will be called, otherwise it won't. (or /etc/procmailrc)
16:49.14hansit will work with spamassasin if you want too - you can call spamassisin from procmail, or inside of your MTA, either one.
16:49.27hans:0fw: spamassassin.lock
16:49.27hans* < 256000
16:49.27hans| spamassassin
16:49.58hansthat doesn't actually filter, it just runs spamassasin on it which adds headers and all that. then you can filter based on the headers. This is what I do next:
16:50.03hans:0HB
16:50.03hans* ? bogofilter -u
16:50.03hansspam/
16:50.40hansbogofilter is a bayesian filter. having spamassasin run on it gives bogofilter more hints and makes it more accurate at filtering the spam. (assuming spamassasin is more accurate than not)
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18:11.07neybarhere is another procmail filter that will use spamassassin to train bogofilter:
18:11.09neybar:0 HBc
18:11.09neybar* ? $SPAMASSASSIN -e
18:11.09neybar#spam yields non-zero
18:11.09neybar#non-spam yields zero
18:11.09neybar| $BOGOFILTER -n
18:11.10neybar#else (E)
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18:11.16neybar| $BOGOFILTER -s
18:11.18neybar:0fw
18:11.20neybar| $BOGOFILTER -p -e
18:12.04neybarthen you can filter on the bogofilter tag
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18:29.49hansyay, xinerama
18:30.14hansHanuman: did you something after my last barrage? I thought I saw some procmail stuff as I rebooted
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18:51.36hansso, does anyone have a favorite lightweight window manager that plays good with xinerama? windowmaker is ok when compiled right, but not exactly elegant.
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20:44.12da_Fohzhi
20:46.05da_Fohzanyone there?
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23:48.32hansodd, oh so odd. when I use xinerama my mozilla gets funky color problems. maybe a colormap issue?
23:50.12hansahh, same with gaim.

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