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| 00:13.33 | brailsmt_work | how do i resize a split window in screen? |
| 00:20.01 | Bradipo | Hmm, that's a good question. |
| 00:20.15 | Bradipo | What do you mean by resize? |
| 00:21.55 | brailsmt_work | I am using screen and split the window with C-aS |
| 00:22.42 | brailsmt_work | and now I want to make the window smaller... |
| 00:23.28 | Bradipo | You mean, make the top split larger than the bottom or something? |
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| 00:24.44 | brailsmt_work | Bradipo: yup |
| 00:27.01 | brailsmt_work | like vim's z# or <c-w>+ |
| 00:28.22 | Bradipo | Hmm, I know I've run into resizing a split screen before, but don't remember the magic right now. |
| 00:28.40 | brailsmt_work | i just found it |
| 00:28.46 | brailsmt_work | C-a:resize |
| 01:25.31 | Bonez39 | anyone here? |
| 01:26.19 | Bonez39 | I have a USB hard drive that I want to work on...I have it plugged in, powered on..how do I mount it? what needs to be added to /etc/fstab, to mount? |
| 01:26.45 | Bonez39 | anyone? |
| 01:36.12 | Bradipo | Do you know how the kernel has recognized the drive? |
| 01:36.30 | Bradipo | You might need to look at dmesg to find out what device it uses. |
| 01:36.38 | Bradipo | Then it should be the same as any other hard drive. |
| 01:36.46 | Bradipo | As far as mounting is concerned. |
| 01:37.37 | Bonez39 | dmesg shows a new USB device....but says it is not claimed by any active driver |
| 01:37.54 | Bradipo | Hmm, I'm not sure what that means. |
| 01:38.01 | Bonez39 | ok |
| 01:38.18 | Bradipo | So it doesn't say anything about a device (i.e. /dev/hde or something like that? |
| 01:39.12 | Bonez39 | no.... |
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| 02:26.06 | Bonez39 | does the latest salvo from SCO make anyone here nervous? I don't know enough to know whether SCO's posturing matters or not... |
| 02:26.38 | Bonez39 | does that mean it's a non-issue, not worth typing about? |
| 02:26.40 | Bonez39 | ibot ? |
| 02:26.40 | | Bonez39: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:26.49 | Bonez39 | ibot SCO |
| 02:26.50 | | hmm... sco is UNIX(tm), yup. really! they bought the trademark, so it must be. |
| 02:27.04 | Bradipo | Wouldn't /dev/random be more secure? |
| 02:28.00 | Jayce^ | hehe.. wrong discussion topic with Bradipo around :D |
| 02:28.03 | Jayce^ | j/k |
| 02:29.02 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 02:29.16 | Jayce^ | we forgive you Bradipo.... just not your company.. |
| 02:29.18 | Bradipo | I'm setting up postgresql right now. |
| 02:29.24 | Bradipo | Its pretty nice. :-) |
| 02:30.19 | Jayce^ | it's ok... I was actually somewhat disapointed when I tried using it for a real world project.. |
| 02:30.24 | Jayce^ | mostly in the user base though |
| 02:31.27 | Bradipo | Really? |
| 02:31.41 | Bradipo | I have found the user base pretty responsive (at least in #postgresql :-) |
| 02:31.55 | Jayce^ | most my experience has been in mail lists |
| 02:32.12 | Bradipo | Brutal sometimes. |
| 02:32.32 | Jayce^ | very, a lot of arrogance (we're right, everybody else is wrong kinda attitude) |
| 02:32.38 | Jayce^ | just doesn't fly well with me.. |
| 02:33.31 | Jayce^ | personally there are things I really like about postgres, and some I really like about mysql... and the same feeling about other systems too.. |
| 02:34.48 | Bradipo | postgres is very easy to compile, install and setup. |
| 02:34.48 | Bonez39 | well, I am not a big developer.just a guy who likes linux....and I even started out with Caldera Open Linux....2.something...a disk from CHEAPBYTES |
| 02:35.05 | Bradipo | Caldera OpenLinux was a good distro for newbies. |
| 02:35.18 | Bonez39 | Bradipo: how would postres compare with mysql? |
| 02:35.25 | Bradipo | Had the first graphical installation and other goodies. |
| 02:35.46 | Bradipo | Well, I have installed mysql from source and it was a little more painful than I would like. |
| 02:36.03 | Bonez39 | Bradipo: well, it got me started...I am just trying to understand SCO' whole game plan in all this..is it to become the next MS...by capitalizing on something millions like and use.... |
| 02:37.13 | Bonez39 | I'll refrain from any more SCO talk...if that would be preferred.. |
| 02:38.20 | Bradipo | You're welcome to speak your mind. |
| 02:38.25 | Bradipo | I was in another channel the other day. |
| 02:38.39 | Bradipo | And they actually wished SCO luck and hoped that we crushed linux. |
| 02:39.03 | Bradipo | He said linux was full of just a bunch of wannabe unix users. |
| 02:39.16 | Bradipo | The guy was a BSD fan. :-) |
| 02:39.35 | Bradipo | So, everyone is welcome to their own opinion about the whole issue. |
| 02:39.48 | Bonez39 | ah....I know there are many who vascillate between BSD and Linux |
| 02:40.00 | Bradipo | I personally am moving more and more towards BSD. |
| 02:40.36 | Bradipo | My Slackware 3.4 desktop has been good to me these past five years though. :-) |
| 02:40.55 | Bradipo | Still running strong and fast (fast because I'm still on libc5). :-) |
| 02:40.59 | Bonez39 | I haven't crossed BSD off my list....but I have to ask....is there any chance, anywhere along the line, that company X could buy any sort of rights to BSD and then turn around and hope to charge to use and run BSD? |
| 02:41.12 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 02:41.27 | Bradipo | They could take the BSD code and turn around and build their own version and sell that though. |
| 02:41.38 | Bradipo | BSD is actually more free than GPL. |
| 02:41.45 | Bonez39 | I mean, Berkeley couldn't say...Hey, we are Berkeley and we own BSD..and now....time to pay up...all you BSD users>.. |
| 02:41.50 | Bonez39 | I have so much to learn |
| 02:41.59 | Bradipo | Nope, they couldn't do that. |
| 02:51.09 | Bradipo | Databases are cool. |
| 02:51.28 | Bradipo | I don't know why I didn't study them more when I was in the database class. |
| 02:51.35 | Bonez39 | Bradipo: I believe that...I am learning more about them.. |
| 02:52.02 | Bonez39 | I run a program under windows called Lytec medical...it's based on the btrieve record manager , now owned by Pervasive...it's pretty fast for what I use |
| 02:52.24 | Bonez39 | but I'd like to port it over to something besides windows...bsd or linux or otherwise.. |
| 02:53.20 | Bradipo | Is it open source? |
| 02:54.58 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, what was difficult with mysql source? I think both are pretty easy to setup from source.. |
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| 02:59.04 | Bonez39 | oh, the application is just windows based. |
| 02:59.49 | Bonez39 | I have even approached the company..about being one of the first to enter the open source market..with their product...I'd pay to buy it...if it ran on linux....but they are so squeemish about porting it |
| 03:03.44 | brailsmt | http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5053063.html?tag=cd_mh <-- The latest nail in "trusted computing"'s coffin |
| 03:04.18 | Bradipo | Jayce^: TOo many ./configure options. :-) |
| 03:04.33 | brailsmt | thats pretty basic stuff MS decided to ignore while encrypting their passwords... |
| 03:04.38 | Bradipo | Also, can mysql log to stderr and not background (i.e. use fork() to daemonize)? |
| 03:05.18 | Bradipo | Remember, I'm a big fan of daemontools and I like to supervise anything and everything. |
| 03:05.38 | Bradipo | And like to control the logging with multilog so I don't ever have to worry about logs filling up my partitions. |
| 03:08.44 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, I always felt there were near the same in both.. |
| 03:08.46 | brailsmt | " Swiss researchers released a paper on Tuesday outlining a way to speed the cracking of alphanumeric Windows passwords, reducing the time to break such codes to an average of 13.6 seconds from 1 minute 41 seconds." |
| 03:09.16 | brailsmt | most people will say "wow, only 13.6 seconds". I am saying, "wow, only 1 min 41 seconds?" |
| 03:09.20 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, I think so, it just is normally run with it's own startup daemonizer (safe_mysqld) |
| 03:10.11 | Jayce^ | no joke, that's fast.. |
| 03:10.13 | Bradipo | Um, I thought the password could be broken in 5 seconds... |
| 03:10.22 | Bradipo | At least that's what I saw in the announcement to Bugtraq. |
| 03:10.24 | Jayce^ | now crack it on a better box.. |
| 03:10.41 | Jayce^ | says in this article an 'average' of 13.6 |
| 03:10.44 | Bradipo | Of course, it took 1GB of data to do it. |
| 03:11.04 | Bradipo | But still. |
| 03:11.24 | Bradipo | Cracking a Unix password isn't too difficult either if the luser uses a dictionary password. |
| 03:11.37 | brailsmt | 101 seconds, or 13.6, or 5, all way to fast |
| 03:11.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, but according to this, it's any alphanumeric sequence.. |
| 03:11.52 | Bonez39 | what would constitute a good password? I like foreign words...with numbers throughout... |
| 03:11.52 | Jayce^ | since they dont' insert any random data.. |
| 03:12.16 | brailsmt | Jayce^: but adding non=alphanumeric isn't that much more secure, it can still be done, but requires 20GB of data |
| 03:12.26 | Jayce^ | wow, neither format uses a salt.. |
| 03:12.32 | brailsmt | yeah, MS doesn't salt the passwords |
| 03:12.32 | Jayce^ | right. |
| 03:12.45 | brailsmt | that is like super basic encryption stuff... |
| 03:13.17 | brailsmt | how good do they expect their passwords to be if they don't add any randomness |
| 03:13.33 | Bradipo | Bonez39: I use: cat /dev/urandom | od -s8 -An |
| 03:13.39 | Bradipo | That generates a decent password. |
| 03:14.02 | Bonez39 | ok.... |
| 03:14.04 | Bonez39 | I'll try it.. |
| 03:14.14 | Bradipo | Give it a try, you'll love them. :-) |
| 03:14.21 | brailsmt | i use "echo "asdfhjkl" | od -s8 -An" that is pretty random too... ;) |
| 03:14.40 | Bonez39 | does that generate 8 character passwords? |
| 03:14.50 | Bonez39 | pretty wild ones..how many does it crank out? |
| 03:14.52 | Bradipo | Um, that results in no output. |
| 03:15.06 | brailsmt | i was kidding... |
| 03:15.12 | brailsmt | i use pwgen |
| 03:15.16 | Bradipo | Ahh. :-) |
| 03:15.19 | brailsmt | it makes some nice ones |
| 03:15.21 | Bradipo | apg is also good. |
| 03:15.32 | Bradipo | Bonez39: It will go on generating until you stop it. |
| 03:15.51 | Jayce^ | I tend to use english/portuguese acronyms, including puncuation, casing, and dates.. |
| 03:15.55 | brailsmt | Deavohh1 <-- pwgen... :) |
| 03:15.58 | Jayce^ | pretty random |
| 03:16.00 | Bradipo | Sometimes if I'm not concerned about the restricted character set I will use: cat /dev/urandom | mimencode |
| 03:16.22 | brailsmt | that is pronounced "deevoh one" ;) |
| 03:16.53 | Bonez39 | well, thanks for the help....I need to scoot for a while |
| 03:16.54 | brailsmt | pwgen is great for a fun pastime as well... |
| 03:17.13 | brailsmt | try to think up pronunciations for the passwords |
| 03:17.21 | brailsmt | and meanings as well... |
| 03:18.16 | brailsmt | like "thuepoor" |
| 03:18.20 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:18.38 | brailsmt | or "pheechee" |
| 03:18.49 | brailsmt | it works best late at night |
| 03:18.52 | Bradipo | I always use the ones from /dev/urandom and memorize them by figuring out something meaningful from the random characters. |
| 03:19.20 | brailsmt | it also generates good variable names, for those times that you just can'tthink of a decent variable name... |
| 03:19.31 | Bradipo | Or repeating them often enough on the keyboard that my fingers do the magic without me even thinking about it. (Kind of like a pattern on the keyboard rather than characters). |
| 03:19.33 | brailsmt | :) |
| 03:20.07 | Bradipo | So, I guess I memorize difficult passwords by using them as a pattern on a keyboard (kind of like a sequence of notes on a piano). |
| 03:20.44 | Bradipo | People often wonder how I can easily memorize passwords like tB.jSMcnm |
| 03:20.44 | brailsmt | that /dev/urandom is a good one |
| 03:21.09 | Bradipo | Actually, I kind of like that one now. |
| 03:21.16 | Bradipo | Too bad I posted it to this channel. :-( |
| 03:21.19 | brailsmt | not as humorous as pwgen, but good |
| 03:21.35 | Bradipo | It has a good random set of uppercase, lower case and a special character. |
| 03:21.39 | brailsmt | Bradipo: that doesn't make the passwords any less secure |
| 03:21.57 | Bradipo | True. |
| 03:22.27 | Bradipo | But it does make the account less secure. |
| 03:22.28 | brailsmt | "pwgen -s" is really good as well |
| 03:22.53 | Bradipo | Nobody would ever crack that password in a reasonable amount of time, however, if someone knows it, why would they try to crack it? :-) |
| 03:23.12 | brailsmt | ptjN/JmS |
| 03:23.16 | brailsmt | that is pwgen -s |
| 03:23.21 | brailsmt | |N2.;SpS |
| 03:23.24 | brailsmt | thats better... |
| 03:23.34 | Bradipo | Ooh, nice. |
| 03:23.36 | Bradipo | I like that one. |
| 03:24.59 | brailsmt | from man pwgen... " -s, --secure |
| 03:25.00 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.00 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.00 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.00 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.02 | brailsmt | " |
| 03:25.06 | brailsmt | so true, so true... |
| 03:25.27 | brailsmt | and then their boss comes along and fires them |
| 03:25.31 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 03:33.20 | Jayce^ | I remember in high school, (93) a friend set his novell password to 'unixisa32bitoperatingsystem' (this is on a brand new 386sx machine running dos) |
| 03:33.31 | Jayce^ | then came the mandated password rotation.. |
| 03:33.40 | Jayce^ | so he did it backwards... |
| 03:33.46 | Jayce^ | oh, he ended it with a ! too |
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| 13:42.14 | Hanuman | or two |
| 13:43.30 | Hanuman | interesting...(I know, I know - it wasn't my choic) we use M$ Snapshot Viewer to display files created in Access on Vendors' machines |
| 13:43.53 | Hanuman | It appears M$ just all-of-the-sudden removed it from their website |
| 13:44.22 | Hanuman | after some further investigation and communication with their support, I guess there's a security flaw in it that they've "discovered" |
| 13:45.00 | Hanuman | Interesting how they didn't publicize this...makes you wonder what else they don't publicize |
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| 14:33.26 | hans | wow, load average of 4.58 |
| 14:33.37 | hans | maybe I'm pushing my computer too hard. :) |
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| 15:18.50 | Hanuman | What's everyone's favorite mail-processing program on Linux? Why? |
| 15:19.03 | hans | mail-processing? as in procmail? |
| 15:19.16 | Hanuman | procmail,sendmail,qmail, etc |
| 15:19.33 | hans | procmail isn't really in the same category as the others you mention |
| 15:19.46 | hans | it's the only one of those that I'd consider a mail processing program though |
| 15:19.46 | Hanuman | what's the diff? |
| 15:19.50 | hans | the rest are MTAs |
| 15:20.13 | hans | mail transport agens |
| 15:22.28 | Hanuman | So what's the difference between procmail and an MTA? |
| 15:23.10 | hans | an mta delivers mail and does smpt. procmail filters/delivers mail and doesn't do smtp |
| 15:23.28 | hans | and most MTAs have a sendmail-compatible interface |
| 15:24.17 | Hanuman | So if I wanted to have something to filter all incoming mail before sending it on, procmail would probably be my best solution, right? |
| 15:24.29 | hans | likley |
| 15:25.28 | Hanuman | I want to start by sending everything from jesse@thestays.org to my home machine with some sort of mail program installed. |
| 15:25.41 | Hanuman | I want that program to use spamAssassin or the likes to filter out spam, etc. |
| 15:25.59 | Hanuman | Then I want to be able to use a M$ client to access that mail on the server |
| 15:26.12 | Hanuman | I would also like to filter out viruses, etc. |
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| 15:26.31 | Hanuman | It would be ideal to allow it all to work with opengroupware.org |
| 15:26.54 | Hanuman | I'd like to set this up as sort of an experiment of what I would like to implement at work |
| 15:27.07 | Hanuman | hans: would procmail be my best solution, then? |
| 15:30.13 | hans | part of it, at least |
| 15:30.51 | Hanuman | anything else I should consider before approaching this? |
| 15:31.20 | hans | how will it be delivered to your home machine? how will you get it off? (hint, imap for the latter) |
| 15:32.46 | neybar | what machine is fetching the mail? is thestays.org a local machine some where? I'm assuming that thestays.org is already using postfix(or what ever) |
| 15:35.42 | Hanuman | neybar: it's just a little machine sitting in my closet on my home network. At the moment it's only purpose is a webserver and way for me to IRC w/o using my work machine's resources with mIRC |
| 15:36.05 | Hanuman | I just port-forward through my router the ports that need to be open to the outside world |
| 15:36.38 | neybar | if you want to fetch presorted mail by a outlook or something then you will probably want to do all your sorting on that machine before you fetch it off then use IMAP and maildirs. |
| 15:37.13 | neybar | hans / elg is my hero now by the way... :-) |
| 15:38.58 | Hanuman | hans: yes, probably imap w/ opengroupware |
| 15:39.05 | Hanuman | neybar: thanks |
| 15:41.40 | Hanuman | neybar: does procmail do all of that? |
| 15:42.08 | neybar | I don't know how opengroupware will factor into all of this, but procmail can do most of what you want. |
| 15:43.16 | Hanuman | I think opengroupware can work with procmail if I remember reading correctly. |
| 15:43.41 | neybar | what mta are you using? |
| 15:49.43 | neybar | from what I can tell from my quick look at opengroupware, it doesn't really do anything with mail besides use what ever you currently have on your server, the docs mentioned the cyrus servers |
| 15:53.54 | Bradipo | All opengroupware has to do to work properly is support /usr/sbin/sendmail (standard place) and IMAP. |
| 15:54.14 | Bradipo | Shouldn't depend on any specific features of an MTA in my opinion. |
| 15:55.51 | hans | Bradipo: if you were writing a script to send an email, would you use /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 15:57.41 | Hanuman | neybar: right now I'm just relying on my ISP's POP mail. I want to move away from that because of all the spam I've been getting, and also to try something I want to also do at work. |
| 15:57.55 | Bradipo | hans: depends on the purpose of the script. |
| 15:58.06 | hans | yet another email-on-cvs-commit |
| 15:58.09 | Bradipo | But yeah, I would use /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:58.10 | hans | script |
| 16:04.12 | hans | Bradipo: using -bm? |
| 16:04.42 | Bradipo | Not sure what -bm does. |
| 16:04.46 | Bradipo | I probably wouldn't use that. |
| 16:04.52 | hans | how would you do it then? |
| 16:05.11 | Bradipo | /usr/sbin/sendmail -f${username} ${recipients} |
| 16:05.30 | Bradipo | Then send the messages in via stdin. |
| 16:07.39 | hans | ahh |
| 16:15.05 | Hanuman | Jayce^: did you get the last newsletter/spam from ODF trying to justify a way to get the genealogy browser to work in Linux? |
| 16:15.30 | hans | ODF == one dumb family? |
| 16:16.46 | Hanuman | One Disfunctional Family |
| 16:17.09 | Hanuman | It's Jayce^'s and my term for OneGreatFamily where we used to work... |
| 16:17.32 | Hanuman | They are very anti-opensource, or at least were when we were there. |
| 16:18.01 | hans | not very kind to the general public either. (i've had dealings with them) |
| 16:20.29 | Hanuman | hans: just curious - what were your dealings? |
| 16:21.08 | hans | i was investigating all sorts of genealogy programs, and found odf. I did a quick search and found way too much of my personal information there for all the world to see (without even signing up for anything) |
| 16:21.33 | Hanuman | That's definitely one problem with it... |
| 16:21.39 | hans | so I asked them politely to remove it. they gave me the runaround and refused to even try. |
| 16:21.55 | hans | "we can't change it - it's just what the users upload' |
| 16:22.10 | Hanuman | I don't like the proprietary nature of it either - don't we all own our own genealogy? Why should another company own it? |
| 16:22.40 | Hanuman | hans: I know the tech support guys that answered that. It's possible - just not something they want to do. |
| 16:23.51 | hans | of course it's possible |
| 16:24.27 | Hanuman | In fact, I remember one of the original programmers saying "anything is possible with programming" - he was laid off among many others, though |
| 16:26.00 | Hanuman | Just try getting your name off their mailing list. |
| 16:26.35 | Hanuman | I had all sorts of test accounts with them and I still get an e-mail for every one of them, and of course I can't remember the password to get in and disable e-mail. |
| 16:27.33 | hans | Bradipo: how would you set the subject? |
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| 16:27.47 | Hanuman | I also remember being asked to gather e-mail addresses from other genealogy organization websites to send out spam asking people to sign up for OGF. Needless to say I was looking for another job at the same time. |
| 16:28.00 | Bradipo | The subject is just part of the message. |
| 16:28.06 | Bradipo | So is the To and From headers. |
| 16:28.20 | Bradipo | They have no special meaning and hence, no special options on the command line. |
| 16:28.21 | hans | ok |
| 16:28.31 | Bradipo | Basically, sendmail reads a message from stdin. |
| 16:28.46 | Bradipo | The message must already have all the proper headers (for human readability). |
| 16:29.16 | Bradipo | The envelope information, on the other hand, is done via the command line options. |
| 16:30.34 | neybar | or you can use Mail::Sendmail; |
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| 16:30.47 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.47 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.47 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.59 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.00 | hans | i'm sure ruby has a module like that too, but I'm not interested in using a module. this is more of a shell script |
| 16:31.45 | Bradipo | The other alternative to sendmail is /bin/mail but they have different uses. |
| 16:31.53 | Bradipo | It depends on what you are doing in this shell script. |
| 16:32.14 | hans | just sending a message to recipients with a subject. |
| 16:32.54 | hans | anyhow, it's working now. |
| 16:32.56 | Bradipo | Well, maybe /bin/mail would be better. |
| 16:32.58 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 16:33.08 | hans | is /bin/mail quite standard too? |
| 16:33.19 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 16:33.37 | Bradipo | They have different uses, and purposes, but they are both pretty much in every *nix. |
| 16:33.46 | Bradipo | Sometimes it's in /usr/bin/mail though. |
| 16:45.48 | Hanuman | hans: I've seen mail used more for shell scripts. BradIPO might know better, though |
| 16:46.06 | Hanuman | I always use sendmail in Perl programs and modules |
| 16:46.13 | Bradipo | Well, it all depends on the purpose of the shell script. |
| 16:46.23 | Bradipo | But yes, for basic uses, /bin/mail is used more often. |
| 16:46.43 | Hanuman | great way to spam someone to get you off their mailing list ;-) |
| 16:46.49 | Bradipo | lol |
| 16:47.03 | Bradipo | Setup a cronjob that emails out once a second. |
| 16:47.10 | Bradipo | Er, once a minute rather. |
| 16:47.41 | Hanuman | or just do a for loop in a shell script |
| 16:48.01 | Hanuman | And run that once a second... |
| 16:48.06 | Bradipo | Well, you don't want to DoS them, just annoy. |
| 16:48.13 | Hanuman | That's true |
| 16:48.22 | Bradipo | Besides, doing that with sendmail is likely to DoS yourself because it is so bloated. |
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| 16:49.02 | jayce_ | byron? what are you doing in here? |
| 16:49.12 | jayce_ | aren't you supposed to be getting married or something soon? |
| 16:49.13 | jayce_ | :) |
| 16:49.22 | byronc | on friday |
| 16:49.36 | byronc | it's still wednesday, today, right? |
| 16:50.08 | neybar | lol, no you missed it |
| 16:52.02 | Hanuman | ahh...heck with it - I'll eat lunch at my desk and install apps on my home machine |
| 16:52.16 | brailsmt | Wed Jul 23 10:52:15 MDT 2003 |
| 16:52.48 | jayce_ | ok, my wife wouldn't let me come close to a computer the week before I got married.. |
| 16:53.00 | Hanuman | hehe...brailsmt: I was just wondering what time it was when you did that |
| 16:53.27 | brailsmt | very nice little dockapp, a must have |
| 16:53.40 | brailsmt | of course I have a watch too |
| 16:53.45 | Hanuman | will it tell me when my lunch time is over? |
| 16:53.46 | brailsmt | and date works well... |
| 16:54.13 | brailsmt | I also have wmtimer which I can set to go off when your lunch is over... ;) |
| 16:54.18 | jayce_ | question: who wears their watch while at a keyboard? |
| 16:54.30 | emcnabb_ | I'm worried about getting married; I like having a lot of computer time :-) |
| 16:54.42 | emcnabb_ | I've been taking my watch off more recently |
| 16:54.49 | brailsmt | jayce_: I do, I only take it off when on my laptop becuase it hurts after a while... |
| 16:54.54 | Hanuman | jayce_: I wear my watch everywhere - an essential as a geek |
| 16:55.15 | byronc | emcnabb_: you just have find someone that likes playing bzflag |
| 16:55.28 | emcnabb_ | byronc: humm... good point |
| 16:55.30 | jayce_ | I also can't wear rings while typing... |
| 16:55.35 | brailsmt | yeah, emcnabb_ they are a dime a dozen... |
| 16:55.41 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:55.49 | byronc | i keep the watch but that's because I always type on a laptop |
| 16:56.01 | brailsmt | lol |
| 16:56.19 | emcnabb_ | byronc: do you want the water bottle |
| 16:56.44 | byronc | emcnabb_:no |
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| 16:57.01 | emcnabb_ | haha!!! |
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| 16:57.18 | jayce_ | ugh |
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| 16:57.27 | neybar | ack |
| 16:57.28 | brailsmt | ;) |
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| 16:57.37 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # # ## # |
| 16:57.37 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # # # # # |
| 16:57.37 | emcnabb_ | ###### # ###### # # # # # |
| 16:57.37 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # # # # |
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| 16:57.50 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # |
| 16:57.52 | Bradipo | Ok, enough spam already. |
| 16:57.53 | emcnabb_ | ####### # # # # # |
| 16:57.54 | brailsmt | my best flood ever was "/exec -o cat ~/img/SCO.png" |
| 16:57.54 | emcnabb_ | # # # ## # # |
| 16:57.57 | emcnabb_ | # # # # ###### |
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| 16:58.08 | emcnabb_ | # # # ## # ## # # |
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| 16:58.11 | brailsmt | asz |
| 16:58.12 | emcnabb_ | # # ####### # # ####### ###### |
| 16:58.14 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # # |
| 16:58.18 | emcnabb_ | # # # # # # # # |
| 16:58.20 | emcnabb_ | ##### ####### ##### # # ##### ###### |
| 16:58.21 | brailsmt | oh my gosh... |
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| 16:58.38 | Bradipo | This works: /ignore emcnabb_ all |
| 16:58.42 | brailsmt | lol |
| 16:59.00 | brailsmt | emcnabb_: what did you use for that? |
| 16:59.07 | Bradipo | banner |
| 16:59.14 | emcnabb_ | baner |
| 16:59.27 | emcnabb_ | sorry, that's two nn's |
| 16:59.27 | byronc | I think emcnabb_ is still mad that I answered an emacs question on the uug-list |
| 16:59.33 | emcnabb_ | :-) |
| 16:59.34 | jayce_ | emcnabb_ is right... that's a 'bane' :) |
| 16:59.59 | brailsmt | figlet looks nicer ;p |
| 17:00.34 | emcnabb_ | I didn't even know about it |
| 17:01.09 | byronc | ahh, emerging figlet now |
| 17:01.20 | emcnabb_ | I just emerged it |
| 17:03.33 | emcnabb_ | well, now I don't have any friends on #utah |
| 17:03.38 | emcnabb_ | :-) |
| 17:04.35 | jayce_ | uh oh, Bradipo, looks like SLLUG is about to start a reply-to discussion too :) |
| 17:05.34 | neybar | why do you say that? |
| 17:07.19 | jayce_ | he is of the opposite position of the poster.. |
| 17:07.27 | jayce_ | very strongly :) |
| 17:11.57 | Hanuman | I wish locate -u didn't take so long |
| 17:12.26 | Hanuman | where does postgres store its postgresql.conf file in RedHat? |
| 17:13.39 | hans | ok, postfix users |
| 17:13.46 | hans | warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/189138.21962799: No such file or directory |
| 17:14.23 | Bradipo | Good thing I'm not on SLLUG then. :-) |
| 17:14.55 | Bradipo | I'll stick to my uber leet mailing list that have a clue, thank you very much. |
| 17:14.59 | hans | s/warning/ postdrop warning/ |
| 17:16.14 | jayce_ | Bradipo, sllug is currently setup as you like it.. but a thread was just started to go to the 'true way' :D |
| 17:16.37 | hans | ~lart list reply-to |
| 17:16.50 | Hanuman | jayce_: is SLLUG the opposite of PLUG in regards to reply-to's? |
| 17:17.05 | Bradipo | http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html |
| 17:17.43 | Hanuman | btw - to answer my own question on postgres.../var/lib/pgsql/data/postgresql.conf |
| 17:17.55 | Bradipo | If people want replies to go the the list, they should be able to request it themselves---this is easily done with mail-followup-to in any clueful MUA. |
| 17:18.04 | neybar | jayce_ what is the name of that linux pda that you really like? |
| 17:18.07 | Bradipo | The only reason why we have reply-to is because people use stupid MUA's. |
| 17:18.11 | jayce_ | the zaurus? |
| 17:18.16 | neybar | yeah |
| 17:18.27 | Bradipo | Hanuman: You can put the data anywhere. |
| 17:18.31 | jayce_ | who doesn't want one of those? |
| 17:18.46 | Bradipo | In fact, you can have multiple postgresql.conf files depending on how many instances you have. |
| 17:19.38 | Bradipo | You could have /var/lib/pgsql/{data,data1,data2,data3} for example. |
| 17:19.51 | Bradipo | Each with different settings. |
| 17:21.25 | Hanuman | Bradipo: tnx |
| 17:25.19 | byronc | mmmm, ugly cpan orange |
| 17:26.55 | jayce_ | yeah, but only until the end of the month |
| 17:27.06 | jayce_ | or earlier if people donate to the perl foundation :) |
| 17:30.41 | byronc | what we really need is a donation so we can tape giant colored butterfly wings to the back of emcnabb_'s chair |
| 17:32.27 | Hanuman | jayce_: does mod_proxy come with Apache 1.3* by default? |
| 17:33.33 | jayce_ | byronc, ?? |
| 17:33.41 | jayce_ | Hanuman, depends on who compiled it.. |
| 17:33.48 | jayce_ | it's in the source by default.. |
| 17:34.06 | emcnabb_ | byronc: arg.. |
| 17:34.07 | Hanuman | I did, but it's not recognizing my mod_proxy directives in httpd.conf |
| 17:34.07 | byronc | jayce_: think msn... |
| 17:34.08 | jayce_ | but is it compiled in, or dso? depends on your distro/install method |
| 17:34.17 | jayce_ | byronc, eeewwww |
| 17:34.46 | emcnabb_ | byronc: you better be nice or I'm going to turn my chair around and sock you :-) |
| 17:34.52 | Hanuman | Is there a way to install w/o recompiling? |
| 17:35.09 | jayce_ | Hanuman, what way did you install the first time? |
| 17:35.31 | jayce_ | and did you include dsos? if so, you could compile that one module, and add it in.. |
| 17:36.14 | Hanuman | I usually follow the mod_perl docs way of installing mod_perl w/ apache |
| 17:36.39 | Hanuman | need to look it up to remember exactly how I did it |
| 17:37.59 | jayce_ | then you probably did it by source, and very likely included the proxy |
| 17:38.21 | Hanuman | % cd /usr/src |
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| 17:39.16 | jayce_ | Hanuman, you should use apache toolbox :) |
| 17:39.25 | Hanuman | Is this a valid directive w/ mod_proxy: |
| 17:39.28 | Hanuman | ProxyPass /OpenGroupware.org http://localhost:20000/OpenGroupware.org |
| 17:39.49 | Hanuman | I'm just following their instructions - haven't had time to look it up in the docs |
| 17:43.24 | Hanuman | oh well - I'll figure it out later when I have more time to rtfm |
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| 18:42.38 | Hanuman | Anyone know of a good way of streaming very large files through very low bandwidth? |
| 18:43.01 | Hanuman | Basically, I would like to create a program that allows me to view my replaytv files from home through a browser on another computer |
| 18:43.24 | Hanuman | Can you set up a buffer to read ahead the video, or will that take too long to be practical? |
| 18:53.43 | neybar | join #sasl |
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| 18:55.42 | Hanuman | what is #sasl? |
| 18:56.01 | neybar | doesn't exsist... I was giving it a shot |
| 18:56.33 | Hanuman | ah ok |
| 18:57.41 | elg | heh. Hyrum Honeybee. Catchy |
| 18:57.56 | elg | maybe a bee dressed like joseph/hyrum smith |
| 18:58.15 | elg | .. with a borg implant (for the tech side) |
| 18:58.41 | tensai | or a lightsaber |
| 18:59.19 | Hanuman | a bee with horns... |
| 18:59.26 | Hanuman | I hear mormons have them... |
| 18:59.40 | Hanuman | It would match FreeBSD's mascot |
| 18:59.42 | tensai | and five little mrs. honeybees |
| 18:59.44 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 18:59.48 | elg | lo |
| 18:59.49 | elg | l |
| 19:00.15 | elg | ibot, Hyrum Honeybee is the LDSOSS mascot |
| 19:00.15 | | okay, elg |
| 19:01.34 | Hanuman | wee need to create a #ldsoss and nickname ibot beebot so we can talk to our mascot |
| 19:02.43 | neybar | anyone here have postfix and sasl running for smtp authentication? |
| 19:29.08 | elg | anyone know if a popular windows media player (like wmp or winamp) will play flac out-of-the-box? |
| 19:29.43 | Hanuman | is that the mp3 codec? |
| 19:30.04 | elg | free lossless audio codec |
| 19:30.29 | Hanuman | I think MusicMatch does, but I'm not completely sure. That is what I use on Windows |
| 19:30.35 | Hanuman | I could test it for you if you want |
| 19:30.52 | neybar | elg, you use exim right? |
| 19:31.12 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/track01.cdda.flac |
| 19:31.19 | elg | I do, neybar |
| 19:31.41 | neybar | have you gotten smtpd AUTH working with exim? |
| 19:32.15 | elg | never tried |
| 19:32.27 | elg | although someday I should. |
| 19:44.24 | Hanuman | elg: nope - flac doesn't seem to work w/ much anything in Windows |
| 19:44.52 | Hanuman | there could be plugins out there - I'd have to search |
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| 19:48.39 | elg | plugins are no good. it has to be idiot-proof |
| 19:48.50 | elg | e.g. grandma-proof |
| 19:49.44 | Hanuman | yeah - probably won't work for Windows then |
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| 20:19.37 | brailsmt_work | can I vertically split a window in screen? |
| 20:19.48 | brailsmt_work | C-aS splits horizontally |
| 20:21.41 | emcnabb_ | what does PXE stand for? (like for booting) |
| 20:22.27 | brailsmt_work | /bin/sh: line 1: figlet: command not found |
| 20:22.31 | brailsmt_work | argh... |
| 20:22.33 | brailsmt_work | crap... |
| 20:22.38 | brailsmt_work | *sigh* |
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| 20:27.22 | levi | Oh darn, no figlet for you. |
| 20:27.39 | Hanuman | mmm...figlets |
| 20:27.52 | Hanuman | is that a small fig newton? |
| 20:28.19 | levi | It's a silly program that makes ascii art text. |
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| 20:28.54 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 20:29.37 | levi | Well, 'silly' was a nice way of putting it. |
| 20:30.32 | brailsmt_work | i think its pretty cool, and awfully fun |
| 20:33.03 | elg | not as silly as cowsay. |
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| 20:33.35 | brailsmt_work | lol |
| 20:33.38 | Bradipo | Anyone ever try: apt-get moo |
| 20:35.13 | levi | Heh, that's a nice little easter egg. |
| 20:35.29 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 20:35.36 | Bradipo | I just learned about it the other day. |
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| 20:40.57 | Jayce^ | ok, some people have way too much time on their hands |
| 20:42.47 | Bradipo | Tell me about it. |
| 20:42.58 | elg | /bin/sh: line 1: Now *this* is silly: command not found |
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| 20:44.10 | Bradipo | Maybe I can make it look ugly. |
| 20:44.18 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 20:46.05 | elg | an elephant |
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| 20:59.00 | tensai | byersa: you got xchat working? |
| 20:59.23 | tensai | welcome to #utah, btw |
| 20:59.32 | byersa | yes, things are more difficult when you get old :0) |
| 21:00.08 | Jayce^ | hehe... just don't login as root :) |
| 21:01.21 | byersa | so Jayce^, I guess and Evan are not taking me up on the idea of organizing a nationwide roadtrip to protest SCO ? :0) |
| 21:02.20 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:02.41 | Jayce^ | we just did the one protest... need to figure out something creative for the next one |
| 21:03.23 | byersa | if I look into filing a complaint, where would we start if we wanted to organize the most opensource supporters in Utah? |
| 21:04.01 | Jayce^ | well, we have members of most of the groups in here.. |
| 21:04.11 | Jayce^ | plug, sllug, uug, fslc |
| 21:04.33 | levi | What's fslc? |
| 21:04.55 | goozbach | and the soon to be cclug. :) |
| 21:05.08 | goozbach | free software linux club of USU. |
| 21:05.13 | byersa | but to file a complaint, i would think there would have to be a more formal umbrella org |
| 21:06.16 | byersa | i wonder if someone in the state gov would sponsor such an org to get their ideas for their techical guidance committee |
| 21:08.05 | Jayce^ | usu free software and linux club :) |
| 21:08.18 | Jayce^ | oh yeah goozbach, your club.. |
| 21:13.10 | byersa | don't forget slofbug |
| 21:13.28 | byersa | Salt Lake Open for Business User Group |
| 21:20.06 | Jayce^ | I guess if the new utah php group wants to stand up, could mention them.. |
| 21:20.16 | Jayce^ | provopm has basically just merged back into plug |
| 21:37.15 | byersa | what's a wallop? |
| 21:41.37 | Jayce^ | byersa, a message sent to all ops |
| 21:58.06 | goozbach | sco sco |
| 21:58.35 | goozbach | does ibot have a $who variable? |
| 22:02.00 | brailsmt_work | can we file a class action lawsuit against SCO on behalf of all Linux users? |
| 22:02.15 | hans | wow, I've been pretty active, for being away |
| 22:02.23 | brailsmt_work | haha |
| 22:02.25 | hans | ;-) |
| 22:03.01 | hans | What does it take to make a CD that has audio and data? Just make the first session the audio thing, and the other session the data thing, right? |
| 22:03.51 | brailsmt_work | there is a particularly appropriate .cow file for cowsay that depicts what SCO is doing to ethics/law/linux users... |
| 22:04.12 | brailsmt_work | i won't display it since it is also particularly innapropriate... |
| 22:04.16 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 22:06.08 | brailsmt_work | its sooo tempting though... |
| 22:08.58 | goozbach | personally I think the sco rant should say courtesy of $WHO |
| 22:09.34 | hans | goozbach: the 'courtesy of' clause is added by ibot to prevent anonymous larting. |
| 22:09.54 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.16 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.51 | goozbach | oh! I thought Ibot was reading sco and LART'ing it. |
| 22:11.20 | goozbach | it appears that you have your client listen for sco and send ibot a message. |
| 22:14.33 | tensai | hans: I think a data/audio cd can be done in one session. you mix audio and data tracks together. |
| 22:15.01 | hans | ahh, yes. s/track/session/ oops. |
| 22:16.01 | brailsmt_work | sco |
| 22:16.08 | brailsmt_work | ahah... |
| 22:16.16 | brailsmt_work | scoscoscoscoscoscosco |
| 22:16.27 | brailsmt_work | sco sco sco sco sco sco sco |
| 22:21.58 | hans | tensai, et al.: can you confirm that if the first tracks are audio and the last data that it will work? Or shall I test it? |
| 22:24.02 | tensai | I've never tried it, just seen in mentioned in the cdrecord man page |
| 22:26.09 | hans | from cdrecord(1): |
| 22:26.10 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.10 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.10 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.10 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.42 | tensai | that makes sense since a data track is an iso image and each audio track is a pointer to an audio block |
| 22:33.02 | tensai | generally you just need one data track but many audio tracks |
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