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| 12:27.10 | hans | woohoo. X is _still_ compiling. started last night about 5 or 6 |
| 12:56.51 | hans | if dan doesn't change the From back, I'm setting up a mailbox hook to not sign my messages and not include a signature. Then I shall forever post anonymously. |
| 14:21.53 | Hanuman_ | I'll shoot you if you do that hans... |
| 14:22.01 | Hanuman_ | Although it sure would be funny |
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| 15:08.17 | levi | Good morning |
| 15:11.38 | Hanuman | Good morning - how's the weather up in Utah today? |
| 15:11.47 | Hanuman | Is it really as hot as they say? |
| 15:12.36 | emcnabb_ | it's been pretty bad for the last few days |
| 15:12.42 | levi | For the last week. |
| 15:12.44 | levi | Or two. |
| 15:12.46 | emcnabb_ | bearable, but uncomfortable |
| 15:13.07 | emcnabb_ | it did rain some a few days ago though |
| 15:13.21 | Hanuman | it's in the 80's here on the East coast this week. |
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| 15:18.53 | levi | emcnabb_: I got something like two drops on my car with that storm. |
| 15:19.03 | levi | Put on quite a light show, though. |
| 15:19.23 | Hanuman | ;-) |
| 15:19.34 | Hanuman | We seem to switch climates |
| 15:19.42 | levi | Hah, fat chance of that. It's going to be hot AND humid in Virginia. :) |
| 15:20.00 | Hanuman | Yeah - that's true - at least you guys have a dry heat... |
| 15:20.19 | Hanuman | I remember trying to last a summer without A/C up there, though |
| 15:20.36 | Hanuman | that worked for about 3 days of the summer |
| 15:20.47 | levi | I remember moving into a house in VA with no AC in the beginning of the summer. |
| 15:20.54 | Hanuman | ouch |
| 15:20.55 | levi | That was miserable. |
| 15:21.13 | Hanuman | It would be much easier to do up in Utah |
| 15:21.58 | levi | We ended up installing central air, and got a dehumidifier as well. |
| 15:22.14 | levi | It's amazing how much water those things suck out of the air... |
| 15:23.42 | Hanuman | My parents have a dehumidifier |
| 15:24.00 | Hanuman | I'm still trying to recover from selling my house up in Utah for a loss |
| 15:24.17 | Hanuman | After that and a layoff, it'll be awhile before we own another house |
| 15:24.25 | levi | I moved there from Utah. For the longest time, my clothes always felt damp after I pulled them out of the drawer in the morning. |
| 15:24.47 | Hanuman | hehe...I grew up in Houston, TX - this is nothing over here. |
| 15:26.07 | levi | Well, you can have all that humidity stuff. I'll stick with the desert climates. |
| 15:26.55 | Hanuman | There are advantages to both... |
| 15:27.09 | Hanuman | No dry-skin/peeling lips here |
| 15:27.31 | levi | That's what lotion and chap stick are for. |
| 15:33.06 | brailsmt | you shouldn't need lotion and chap stick just so your skin isn't dry and your lips aren't chapped |
| 15:33.32 | brailsmt | I would take VA's humidity and heat anyday over Utah's dry heat |
| 15:35.41 | brailsmt | i never used chapstick, except during winter, before I moved to Utah, now I go through the stuff like it is going out of style... |
| 15:37.06 | Hanuman | brailsmt: I'm with you on that one - grew up in Houston, lived in Indonesia for 3 years, and served my mission in Thailand. I'll take humidity any day |
| 15:37.33 | Hanuman | now convincing my wife of that is another question |
| 15:37.39 | levi | Silly humidity people. |
| 15:38.01 | elg | amen. I grew up in the desert and never need lotion or chapstick except on rare occasions |
| 15:38.48 | elg | i get sticky and smelly in humidity - even the humidity we have been having here in utah is nearly unbearable for me. |
| 15:42.01 | elg | foxtrot is good today |
| 15:44.35 | levi | Heh, yeah. |
| 15:54.14 | brailsmt | this isn't humidity... |
| 15:54.17 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 15:54.48 | levi | It's 20% humidity at the moment. |
| 15:54.55 | brailsmt | like I said... |
| 15:55.18 | brailsmt | i show 36% at the provo airport |
| 15:56.12 | brailsmt | it needs to be 80% or so... ;) |
| 15:56.18 | levi | Blah! |
| 15:57.00 | brailsmt | and Utah needs a *real* thunderstorm... |
| 15:57.02 | Hanuman | brailsmt: 80% is nothing |
| 15:57.04 | brailsmt | :) |
| 15:57.12 | Hanuman | 100%+ is good humidity |
| 15:57.21 | brailsmt | 100%+ is rain... |
| 15:57.23 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 15:57.48 | Hanuman | I've seen it at 100% where it wasn't raining. Don't know how it's possible, but it was. |
| 15:57.56 | Hanuman | I've seen it above 100% for some reason |
| 15:58.08 | brailsmt | i have seen it at 100% too, never above... |
| 15:58.36 | Hanuman | maybe the above I'm confusing w/ the temperature - above 100 degrees w/ 100% humidity |
| 15:58.42 | levi | I've been in 100% and 90+ degree weather. That sucks, and nothing you say will make me think otherwise. |
| 15:58.46 | Hanuman | We used to get that in Houston all the time |
| 15:59.02 | elg | you can have 100%+ without rain |
| 15:59.05 | brailsmt | Utah doesn't know what a heat index is ;) |
| 15:59.30 | levi | brailsmt: Yeah, and we like it that way! |
| 15:59.58 | levi | brailsmt: You really want to advertise the fact that you're a freak of nature? ;) |
| 16:00.01 | brailsmt | humidity is good |
| 16:00.16 | brailsmt | it is healthy for your air and skin |
| 16:00.23 | brailsmt | s/air/hair |
| 16:00.31 | Hanuman | You get used to the humidity if you're in it long enough |
| 16:00.45 | Hanuman | brailsmt: it's healthy for your air too |
| 16:00.50 | brailsmt | and i have yet to get used to the dry air of utah |
| 16:01.15 | brailsmt | and my daughter's dry skin is a real problem... |
| 16:01.22 | brailsmt | s/'s/s' |
| 16:02.13 | levi | Well, you humidity fans can move to (or stay in) your humid places, and I'll stay here where it's nice and dry. |
| 16:02.44 | brailsmt | i plan to, as soon as i get job where it is humid |
| 16:04.08 | brailsmt | though to be fair, Utah county isn't really a desert |
| 16:04.21 | elg | Hanuman: how many vw bugs do you see driving around back east? |
| 16:04.41 | elg | (old ones, not the new things) |
| 16:06.54 | brailsmt | i haven't seen one here in utah for a while... |
| 16:07.25 | elg | brailsmt: I see at least one a week. They're all over in california, new mexico, and other deserts |
| 16:07.35 | elg | why? Rust, or lack thereof. |
| 16:07.46 | elg | humidity comes at a cost, even if you like it. |
| 16:08.00 | Hanuman | elg: I haven't seen many at all - I see a lot of new ones |
| 16:08.07 | Hanuman | I saw much more in Utah |
| 16:08.31 | Hanuman | I like humidity and dry heat - depends on my mood |
| 16:09.10 | brailsmt | not me, i'd much rather have humidity... |
| 16:09.31 | Hanuman | but then again, I don't like the cold either |
| 16:09.40 | brailsmt | and it is a big reason we want to move out of utah when i graduate |
| 16:09.41 | Hanuman | 70-80 degrees is perfect |
| 16:10.21 | Hanuman | I wouldn't mind moving back to Utah if there were jobs there. |
| 16:10.27 | elg | yeah. I don't mind humidity much if it's between 65-75 degrees |
| 16:11.00 | elg | although it rears its ugly head again when it gets cold. humidity makes the cold much harder to bear |
| 16:11.39 | Hanuman | It's much cheaper to live in Utah, too |
| 16:15.54 | brailsmt | its cheaper still in the midwest |
| 16:16.22 | Hanuman | yup |
| 16:16.25 | brailsmt | housing prices are much more reasonable in TX or MO than UT |
| 16:16.35 | Hanuman | there isn't much in the midwest |
| 16:16.41 | Hanuman | TX isn't the midwest, really |
| 16:16.58 | Hanuman | I would live in TX again if I could convince my wife to bear the humidity |
| 16:17.10 | brailsmt | 150k in UT buys you 1200 sqft, 150k in TX buys you 3000+ sq ft, and 2200 sq ft in MO |
| 16:17.32 | Hanuman | TX is very cheap w/ no state taxes and cheap real-estate, but you have very high real-estate taxes there |
| 16:17.37 | Hanuman | some of it equals out |
| 16:17.45 | brailsmt | in VA it buys you 500 sq ft, right? :) |
| 16:18.00 | Hanuman | brailsmt: just about... |
| 16:18.11 | brailsmt | in CA it gets you a run down apt... ;) |
| 16:18.21 | Hanuman | I have to pay $200k vs $160k to get near what I had in Utah... |
| 16:18.29 | Hanuman | NY is pretty bad, too |
| 16:18.36 | brailsmt | i wish Utah would stop taxing groceries |
| 16:18.48 | brailsmt | it is one of the few states that does |
| 16:18.49 | Hanuman | groceries were actually a bit cheaper in Utah vs here |
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| 16:21.00 | Hanuman | Here they have a lottery and I still pay twice the taxes I did in Utah |
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| 16:30.33 | emcnabb | elg: your response to that guy was hilarious |
| 16:30.39 | elg | :) |
| 16:31.20 | neybar | ? |
| 16:33.18 | emcnabb | uug post |
| 16:33.34 | elg | the guy posted an unintelligble question, and I responded: "What?" |
| 16:34.21 | emcnabb | that's the only thing hans said |
| 16:34.51 | emcnabb | I got a kick out of it |
| 16:41.16 | elg | x is getting close to 18 hours now, to compile. and you guys want me to try a source distro? ;-) |
| 16:41.33 | neybar | lol |
| 16:42.07 | neybar | In my opinion source distro's aren't very good for workstations. They rock as servers though |
| 16:42.54 | elg | they do nightly snapshots. I'm already out of date. |
| 16:52.12 | neybar | I am really liking vim6.2 |
| 16:52.39 | levi | What's new in 6.2? |
| 16:53.03 | neybar | the biggest thing for me is the improved gvim using gtk2 |
| 16:58.53 | elg | gtk2 looks real nice, but I find it is not ready for prime time (although it is being shoved down my throat left and right) |
| 16:58.55 | levi | Ah, cool. I never use gvim, though. |
| 17:01.16 | levi | Why do you think it's not ready? |
| 17:02.39 | elg | most annoying it its inability to play nicely with my window manager. That may be a window maker issue, but i've never seen this behavior before and now only with gtk2 |
| 17:03.05 | elg | other issues are too slow, dnd artifacts, and various other minor annoyances. |
| 17:04.10 | elg | gtk2 apps fight over control and at least windowmaker will sit there flashing between them repeatedly until you alt-tab to another window. This is usually when a new gtk2 window appears, but can also happen when moving, resizing, etc. |
| 17:04.37 | elg | if it weren't for tabs, mozilla (which uses gtk for some l&f stuff which I haven't been able to figure out) would be unusable. |
| 17:05.18 | levi | Weird. |
| 17:07.36 | Hanuman | elg: looks like you may be converting Dan to Debian |
| 17:07.56 | levi | elg: Heh, I just read it, but I didn't notice that mention of you. |
| 17:08.15 | elg | Hanuman: cool. how? |
| 17:10.22 | elg | oh, the apt thing? that's a fun trick. |
| 17:11.58 | neybar | what is the apt-get command to update your installed packages? |
| 17:12.00 | Hanuman | looks like he's investigating it at least. |
| 17:12.11 | elg | apt-get upgrade |
| 17:12.18 | neybar | lol easy enough |
| 17:12.48 | elg | I'm addicted to screen now |
| 17:13.37 | Hanuman | elg: me too - still much to learn, though |
| 17:44.54 | Bradipo | Watch out... |
| 17:45.00 | Bradipo | Too much use of screen can hurt your pinky finger. :-) |
| 17:46.20 | Hanuman | are there any programs out there that can record irc traffic on your network? |
| 17:46.25 | Hanuman | (for Linux) |
| 17:47.10 | Hanuman | They demoed one on Screen Savers (TechTV) yesterday that monitored Instant Messaging client traffic. Very cool |
| 17:48.29 | Hanuman | I guess you'd just need some sort of port filter to filter the specific ports that people use to chat with |
| 17:49.08 | Hanuman | Not something I'd use much, but definitely something I'd like to know how to use |
| 17:51.11 | brailsmt | ohh, big anti python discussion on #ruby-lang ;) |
| 17:51.47 | levi | Well, you would expect that sort of language bigotry there, eh? ;) |
| 17:52.13 | Hanuman | think they'd welcome \usr\bin\perl? |
| 17:53.04 | Hanuman | Does Mattz ever hang out there? |
| 17:54.43 | brailsmt | he logs the discussion, at least he used to |
| 17:55.13 | Bradipo | Hanuman: Any network sniffer would be able to monitor and record traffic. |
| 17:55.18 | brailsmt | i have talked with him there a few times |
| 17:56.01 | Hanuman | tnx Bradipo |
| 17:56.03 | brailsmt | he is there now, but probably just has the computer idling with the irc channel open... |
| 17:56.18 | Hanuman | brailsmt: you should invite him to ldsoss |
| 17:56.32 | brailsmt | Hanuman: i have |
| 17:56.43 | Hanuman | cool - any reply from him? |
| 17:56.46 | brailsmt | nope |
| 17:56.56 | brailsmt | i will try again in a few days |
| 17:57.06 | Hanuman | cool - thanks for trying |
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| 19:06.53 | neybar | elg, how long would you estimate that it took you to train bogo? |
| 19:15.25 | elg | neybar: about 20 seconds. but I had a corpus already. don't know exactly how long I'd been collecting it. |
| 19:15.49 | neybar | so you were sorting your spam already? |
| 19:16.11 | elg | yeah, some sorted by previous bayesian filters, some by other spam filter attempts, and some by hand |
| 19:16.21 | neybar | ok |
| 19:16.56 | neybar | mine has about a 80% success ratio right now in identifying spam |
| 19:23.56 | elg | mine's nearly perfect |
| 19:24.27 | elg | although I got a false positive today - from my cousin whose emails look very much like spam to the naked eye, too. Thank goodness I don't get very much email from her. :) |
| 19:25.55 | drock | my mail always looks like spam |
| 19:26.10 | goozbach | opps I forgot to change my nick |
| 19:26.10 | elg | drock is easier to pronounce |
| 19:26.19 | goozbach | goozbach is more fun |
| 19:30.45 | elg | dang, I ran out of disk space compiling x. |
| 19:31.40 | goozbach | ouch |
| 19:32.17 | Jayce^ | ok elg, what is the setting so that cli vim will let you just highlight with the mouse (and then middle-click paste) instead of just going into viasual mode and not copying to the buffer??? |
| 19:32.23 | Jayce^ | that's bugging me |
| 19:58.05 | elg | Jayce^: that's the default unless you set it otherwise |
| 19:58.37 | Jayce^ | and how do you change it? |
| 19:58.51 | Jayce^ | sucks, upgraded my vim, and now I can't copy/paste from it |
| 19:58.51 | elg | try :he xterm-mouse |
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