| 00:00.29 | goozbach | I've learned that rackmount and cheap don't go together well. |
| 00:00.35 | shadoi | yeah I know |
| 00:00.50 | shadoi | but unemployment checks only allow for so much extravagance. :) |
| 00:02.42 | shadoi | bbl |
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| 01:00.10 | rama | Jayce^: in reference to the church gym, we just got permission from our Bishop to have a LAN party for our next Elders Quorum activity - very cool... |
| 01:00.25 | rama | He said we could have it in the gym... |
| 01:00.42 | goozbach | that's a pretty cool idea for an activity. |
| 01:02.17 | rama | yeah - we've had good response from announcing it. Even some of the older guys in the quorum are interested |
| 01:02.28 | rama | We have to be careful what we play, though |
| 01:03.36 | rama | Our President (I'm 1st counselor), who's not into games much played Diablo for the first time and was all for playing that in the church. I quickly educated him what the game was about... |
| 01:04.22 | rama | Did I mention I love my ReplayTV? |
| 01:05.06 | rama | I've got it set up in one room in the house and I'm currently streaming a recorded version of the Screen Savers on my computer in another room through VideoLAN |
| 01:10.08 | rama | Which is better - 100BaseTX Full_Duplex or 100BaseT Full_Duplex? |
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| 06:21.23 | Bradipo | Sheesh |
| 06:21.51 | chrisvv | hi |
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| 13:32.22 | elg | http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030710.html |
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| 14:47.13 | rama | hey! |
| 14:47.21 | rama | who's that playin' |
| 14:47.27 | rama | the guitar? |
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| 14:56.06 | brailsmt | in ruby of course :))) |
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| 15:19.26 | elg | rama: that would be Dr. Woodfield |
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| 15:49.51 | rama | elg: Dr. Woodfield? Oh - do you mean the professor that is working on peer-to-peer GEDCOM? |
| 15:50.10 | rama | Or the person playing my guitar? |
| 15:50.14 | rama | ;-) |
| 15:52.01 | elg | maybe both. :) |
| 15:52.10 | rama | I e-mailed him but never got a response back. |
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| 16:15.00 | emcnabb | do you guys use ispell or aspell? |
| 16:22.06 | elg | neither |
| 16:22.17 | elg | i use elgspell |
| 16:22.47 | emcnabb | s/elg/moose |
| 16:22.51 | emcnabb | is that it? |
| 16:23.00 | emcnabb | is that elgspell? :-) |
| 16:25.13 | jayce | elg, what was the procmail regex for any type of To field? to, cc, bcc ? |
| 16:26.09 | elg | ^TO |
| 16:26.15 | elg | or ^TO_ |
| 16:26.24 | elg | see the manpage for the difference (man procmailrc) |
| 16:26.51 | jayce | ah |
| 16:27.31 | jayce | just a note folks, dont' match on ^Subject: [groupname] :) |
| 16:28.29 | jayce | guess it makes a character class from the regex.. shoulda thought of that. |
| 16:28.44 | elg | i completely forgot to address what makes a good recipe and a lame recipe at the meeting. oh well |
| 16:29.40 | jayce | emcnabb, elg, can you guys keep your eyes peeled for swap meet locations? something like a gym (easy access for stuff, room, tables) would be nice.. |
| 16:31.22 | emcnabb | will do |
| 16:33.05 | jayce | I think for it to be a big success we need to make sure people can easily haul boxes of stuff in.. |
| 16:37.21 | rama | What the best way to open up an X session remotely on a Windows machine? |
| 16:37.39 | rama | I can open one locally through cygwin, but haven't been able to figure out how to do it remotely |
| 16:38.50 | elg | ssh -X somelinuxbox |
| 16:39.04 | elg | you'll need the x server running of course. |
| 16:39.13 | elg | putty can also forward X for you, again the x server needs to be running |
| 16:40.04 | rama | how do you get X server running - startx? |
| 16:40.28 | rama | or do you mean locally I need it running? |
| 16:40.58 | neybar | anyone here pretty good with OSX? |
| 16:41.44 | levi | What do you need to do with OS X? |
| 16:42.22 | neybar | I am trying to help my brother copy some files from the mac to a windows box. Do you know how to turn on file sharing in osx? |
| 16:42.24 | elg | you need an x server running on your windows box (local) |
| 16:42.47 | elg | then, tunneling is just as it is in linux |
| 16:43.01 | levi | neybar: There are two ways to do it. The control panel has a file sharing option that includes windows file sharing you can turn on with a check box. |
| 16:43.52 | levi | neybar: Otherwise, you could hit cmd-K in the finder and enter smb://windowshost/ as the drive to mount and copy it that way. |
| 16:44.15 | neybar | ok |
| 16:44.47 | levi | The latter one will bring up a dialog to let you select which share to mount, prompt you for a password, etc. |
| 16:44.53 | rama | elg: is there a way using cygwin to run an X-server in the background on Windows so I can just forward X-programs? |
| 16:45.07 | brailsmt | rama: try this command "X" |
| 16:45.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:46.50 | elg | rama - i hear there's a rootless XFree86 with cygwin now, though I haven't tried it. I have done 'startx' from cygwin in the past to get a running x server |
| 16:47.12 | elg | theoretically putty should be able to talk to it, but i've only done the tunneling via ssh from inside the x session (an xterm) |
| 16:48.12 | rama | elg: yes, I was playing with startx yesterday, but I don't want to see any minimized window, etc. I just want to be able to run programs directly with putty w/o thinking about it. |
| 16:48.29 | rama | something I could run in the background at Windows startup |
| 16:48.35 | jayce | elg, you get my message yesterday about my vim 6.2 bug? |
| 16:51.43 | levi | There are some Windows-native X servers that work rootless like that. |
| 16:54.14 | rama | levi: know of any off-hand that you like? |
| 16:56.56 | elg | jayce: yeah |
| 16:57.18 | elg | i don't use remote editing much, though. I switch files too often and am spoiled with 'vim .' |
| 16:57.39 | elg | when I can do 'vim scp://fugal.net/public_html/' I will be quite happy. :) |
| 16:59.21 | levi | rama: It's been a long time since I used one; I don't remember any names. |
| 17:00.53 | rama | levi: that's fine. I can google it. Just thought I'd ask before I look. |
| 17:01.44 | rama | My goal is to be able to pull X from my Linux server up on any machine I have in the house, regardless of OS. |
| 17:02.11 | rama | I wonder what's available for Mac OS 7 |
| 17:02.34 | rama | I'd like to be able to do it from work, too |
| 17:03.06 | levi | I think an OS 7 X server probably exists, but maybe not a free one. |
| 17:05.36 | rama | That sounds funny - OS 7 X |
| 17:06.35 | rama | OS X just uses X, doesn't it? |
| 17:06.57 | levi | Well, Apple provides an X11 server, but it's not the primary display engine. |
| 17:07.18 | levi | It's optional; you have to download it. |
| 17:07.35 | rama | ahhh...that could be fun whenever I get the money to get a G4 or G5 (when they come out) |
| 17:07.56 | levi | The G5s were just announced recently. |
| 17:08.47 | jayce | yeah, starting august.. |
| 17:09.36 | levi | Nice machines. I'd take one if I didn't have to pay for it. ;) |
| 17:09.55 | jayce | no kidding.. |
| 17:10.03 | rama | The question is - do I pay a ton of money for a good G5, or much less for an almost-as-good G4? |
| 17:10.07 | jayce | especialy with that 23" panel |
| 17:10.17 | jayce | no, not almost as good.. |
| 17:10.18 | levi | Well, the G5 is WAY faster than the G4. |
| 17:10.22 | neybar | does anyone else get Robert Oldham's emails marked as spam? |
| 17:10.28 | jayce | no |
| 17:10.42 | jayce | what's triggering it neybar? |
| 17:10.47 | neybar | not sure |
| 17:11.09 | jayce | rama, think, g5 top model has a GHZ bus!.. |
| 17:11.54 | levi | The top model G5 actually has a better price/performance ratio than a similarly equipped Dell box, too. |
| 17:11.54 | rama | That's cool |
| 17:12.00 | levi | Significantly better, even. |
| 17:12.10 | rama | I don't have a clue about anything having to do with Macs |
| 17:12.23 | synic | ah... even though it's probably implemented incorrectly in many ways, my first XML parser in Java is done. |
| 17:12.39 | rama | I bought one off E-bay, but it was damaged in transit, so I'm waiting to work that out before I either fix it or get another one |
| 17:12.45 | jayce | ewww.. parsing in java is not something I would want to be doing.. |
| 17:13.04 | levi | I got my Mac, a beige G3, from a BYU surplus sale. |
| 17:13.18 | levi | I then upgraded it with more RAM, a new video card, and a G4 chip. |
| 17:13.22 | rama | levi: do you mind sharing about how much? |
| 17:13.27 | levi | It was $300 |
| 17:13.31 | elg | jayce: slightly better than parsing in c |
| 17:13.48 | jayce | only because of the garbage collection.. |
| 17:13.51 | rama | Not bad - this one was just a Power PC 7600 - got it for $5 + s&h |
| 17:13.55 | synic | it's not too bad using the SAX api |
| 17:14.08 | levi | Well, it was $300 a couple of years ago, at least. |
| 17:14.38 | jayce | neybar, to give you an idea, Oldham's email registers as -2.95 on my spamassasin :) pretty good |
| 17:14.57 | rama | I'm hoping I can get UPS to reimburse me $350 that it will cost to get a new one, then I can bid on a better one on E-bay |
| 17:15.31 | rama | (that's what the seller listed it as being worth on insurance) |
| 17:16.15 | jayce | well, ups is usually good at that.. |
| 17:17.07 | rama | hehe |
| 17:17.11 | rama | :) |
| 18:00.53 | emcnabb | elg: if you want to stop having to defend debian on the uug, you should try out gentoo |
| 18:00.59 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:01.04 | jayce | or better yet.. sourcemage |
| 18:01.26 | jayce | of course, he needs a box that can actually handle compiling something first.. |
| 18:01.28 | levi | I've got one gentoo box and one debian box at work now. |
| 18:01.39 | emcnabb | true |
| 18:01.56 | emcnabb | I use debian a lot, but I really like gentoo for my laptop |
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| 18:06.48 | elg | i'll try one of those source distros when I have a box that can do it real quick-like, and feel masochistic (switching distros is never easy when you're a configuration nut like me) |
| 18:07.40 | levi | I don't think any box can compile things like KDE or OpenOffice 'real quick-like'. |
| 18:07.54 | levi | Maybe a large cluster with a distributed compiler. |
| 18:08.43 | jayce | kde, gnome, and openoffice can make darned heavy week of work for my laptop |
| 18:15.38 | rama | 200 Gb HD after $120 mail-in-rebate: $159.00 - not bad... |
| 18:15.46 | rama | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0148325 |
| 18:16.17 | rama | I'm still waiting for prices to get lower - I want to add one to my ReplayTV |
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| 20:48.29 | rama | Do any of you know anything about hyperthreading? |
| 20:51.03 | Jayce^ | yeah. |
| 20:58.07 | rama | I heard a rumor that all P4's have it in them, just not all software supports it - is that correct? |
| 20:58.44 | Bradipo | I thought that as far as the OS was concerned, it just looked like another CPU. |
| 20:59.05 | Jayce^ | no, only some of the latest p4's |
| 20:59.13 | Jayce^ | it's a features taken form the latest xeons.. |
| 20:59.19 | rama | yeah - sorry - OS, not software |
| 20:59.25 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, that's kinda how it works, but not entirely.. |
| 20:59.51 | rama | Any idea how to tell if my P4 supports hyperthreading? |
| 21:00.10 | Jayce^ | what model/speed is it? |
| 21:00.18 | Jayce^ | you'll see it if you do have it.. |
| 21:00.55 | rama | P4 2.5Ghz |
| 21:01.22 | rama | I'm not on it right now, so I can't check |
| 21:01.27 | rama | all the details |
| 21:01.29 | Jayce^ | no, I think it wasn't until the 3 or 3.2 that p4's started supporting it.. |
| 21:01.44 | Jayce^ | nothing before had it. |
| 21:01.52 | rama | k - just curious. All I know is that it's really fast, whatever it has |
| 21:01.52 | Bradipo | I don't see how hyperthreading can boost performance though. |
| 21:02.04 | Bradipo | But I haven't really researched it much either. |
| 21:02.14 | rama | neither have I |
| 21:02.46 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, well, how can having multiple threads help a single program? basically the processor can let something think it's still working, even while it's in a wait state that it can't fully page out.. |
| 21:03.43 | Jayce^ | plus the processors can use them efficiently by chaining what part of the processor the data is in... |
| 21:04.26 | Bradipo | I'm not a big fan of threads, but for other reasons. |
| 22:25.33 | neybar | anyone how to make a specific cron job stop emailing me results? |
| 22:26.05 | Jayce^ | dont' print anything to stdout |
| 22:26.20 | neybar | hmm |
| 22:27.09 | Jayce^ | cron's automatically email all output.. either make your script not print, fix the 'problem', or in the case of other code, just redirect to the proper location (yes, /dev/null can be a proper location at times) |
| 22:35.55 | neybar | it is kicking off fetchmail, so I just need to figure out how to tell it to shutup |
| 22:55.29 | neybar | anyone know of a tool that will take a word doc and spit out a plain text file? I am looking for something that will work on the cli. |
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| 22:58.02 | Bradipo | antiword? |
| 22:58.12 | Bradipo | neybar: Have a look at antiword. |
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| 23:46.49 | goozbach | figlet rocks |
| 23:49.01 | brailsmt | its fun |