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| 02:24.24 | emcnabb | mutt rocks |
| 02:47.27 | neybar | what's so great about it? |
| 02:48.29 | emcnabb | it does everything (and does it well); it's command line but does more than a graphical program does |
| 02:48.42 | emcnabb | it's the coolest mail client out there |
| 02:48.50 | emcnabb | hans and byron converted me to it |
| 02:49.00 | emcnabb | I used pine for years |
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| 07:11.41 | Bonez39 | hi emc |
| 07:11.51 | emcnabb | hey |
| 07:12.01 | emcnabb | who's this? |
| 07:12.19 | Bonez39 | ever import (successfully) addresses from Outlook Express to Evolution, or other linux mail applications? |
| 07:12.34 | emcnabb | no, haven't tried though |
| 07:13.00 | emcnabb | dang, there are a ton of gentoo updates... |
| 07:13.09 | emcnabb | I hope portage isn't broken |
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| 11:57.26 | hans | synic: FXRuby is cross-platform, and it comes with the pragmatic programmers' windows installer of ruby |
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| 14:01.19 | rama | Anyone had a chance to try opengroupware.org yet? |
| 14:03.04 | elg | welcome to my world. I live on east-coast time even though I'm here in utah. ;-) |
| 14:03.40 | elg | what's opengroupware.org? |
| 14:04.23 | rama | It's openoffice.org's solution for Microsoft Exchange - it even works with M$ Outlook |
| 14:04.40 | rama | The description is very impressive |
| 14:05.13 | rama | I may actually have a chance at converting our company's server to Linux now because of it. |
| 14:10.13 | rama | I think I'll wait for people to start using it first, though just to get the initial bugs worked out. |
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| 14:13.01 | elg | oh yeah, heard about that. very exciting |
| 14:13.55 | elg | man, finding good wallpaper for 1280x1024 is hard |
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| 15:06.04 | jayce | elg, what's the #@$@ command again to save your current vim settings into a .vimrc |
| 15:10.35 | elg | :mkvimrc |
| 15:11.40 | jayce | k, was doing :makevimrc no wonder it didn't work |
| 15:12.15 | jayce | shouldn't that save your colorscheme too? |
| 15:12.40 | elg | shrug |
| 15:17.27 | elg | grr |
| 15:17.28 | elg | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: Connection timed out |
| 15:19.22 | jayce | so mkvimrc doesnt' save the colorscheme (at least on this box) |
| 15:28.35 | elg | you mean save your choice of colorscheme or save manual changes to highlighting? |
| 15:28.49 | jayce | choice... had to add it manually |
| 15:44.58 | rama | elg: that is useful. I'll have to remember that one. |
| 15:45.26 | rama | Anyone know of an open-source (or free) program for doing diagrams (other than dia) that works on win32? |
| 15:45.49 | rama | I was trying dia but it either keeps crashing on me or won't print like it says it will. |
| 15:47.31 | jayce | kivio |
| 15:47.45 | jayce | qt based.. |
| 15:51.08 | rama | Do they have a win32 port for that? |
| 15:51.17 | jayce | probably |
| 15:56.00 | rama | looking it up, koffice doesn't seem to care much about win32 |
| 16:29.51 | Bradipo | I don't know of any that runs on win32, but xfig is pretty good on *nix. |
| 16:30.35 | elg | rama can't you install cygwin/XFree86 and run one of these things over an ssh session? |
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| 17:15.11 | rama | elg: yeah - I would rather not go through all that trouble, though. Sometime I'm just going to set up my work machine as dual-boot so I can reboot and work with the stuff I want to do on Linux. |
| 17:15.37 | elg | maybe sometime is today. ;) |
| 17:16.37 | rama | It's tempting. I think I could only get away with it after or before work when my boss was away. There is no way she'd understand why something like that is necessary. However, she wouldn't mind if it just all the sudden "appeared" on my machine. |
| 17:17.58 | rama | It's more like if it's proven to her then great, otherwise she'd rather not take the risk of the time spent |
| 17:19.07 | rama | or it's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission |
| 17:22.38 | elg | rama: you could use knoppix in the meantime |
| 17:22.43 | elg | it has dia iirc |
| 17:23.37 | rama | good point - must try that |
| 17:25.10 | rama | anything I need to know before using knoppix? Never used it before. |
| 17:26.20 | elg | umm, if you get the wrong image be sure to specify english at boot. :) |
| 17:26.41 | rama | brb...gotta reboot WinXP |
| 17:26.44 | rama | foo |
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| 17:42.07 | rama | blasted Windows |
| 17:42.17 | elg | ~lart windows |
| 17:42.40 | elg | cvs update |
| 17:42.41 | elg | cvs [update aborted]: recv() from server cvs.sourceforge.net: EOF |
| 17:42.58 | jayce | elg, seems like you are having a lot of fun with them today |
| 17:43.03 | elg | "The operation timed out when attempting to contact ftp.vim.org" |
| 17:43.07 | elg | it's a conspiracy, I think |
| 17:43.14 | rama | I reboot to overcome slowness on my machine, and it gives me blue-screen-of-death on reboot |
| 17:43.44 | rama | I think it's an omen that it's time to set up dual-boot |
| 17:47.22 | rama | I wish the guy before me didn't write our entire purchase order and web export system in Access. Otherwise I probably would have no need for Windows any more. |
| 17:48.19 | rama | Access is so flawed... |
| 17:53.12 | rama | lets see how well dos ftp handles downloading a knoppix iso |
| 17:57.52 | elg | cygwin/wget ;-) |
| 17:58.35 | rama | I know, I know - like I said, I'd rather just do dual-boot. Cygwin takes up so much disk space! |
| 17:59.06 | rama | (BTW - I just removed it on Friday and that's why I'm even less-inclined to reinstall it) |
| 18:00.00 | elg | disk space? who needs disk space? |
| 18:00.22 | rama | That's why I'm downloading Knoppix |
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| 20:23.37 | synic_ | ah... to java or to ruby. |
| 20:23.42 | synic_ | that is the question. |
| 20:26.28 | rama | what will the app be used for? |
| 20:28.08 | synic_ | well, I am not using it for any particular app. I am comtemplating what language to learn so that I can create cross-platform standalone gui applicatoins in general. |
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| 20:29.50 | elg | synic_: ruby |
| 20:30.20 | brailsmt_work | ruby rucks |
| 20:30.28 | brailsmt_work | erm... i meant rocks... |
| 20:30.34 | synic_ | yeah, figured. |
| 20:30.48 | synic_ | ok, let's here your argument on why? |
| 20:30.58 | brailsmt_work | on why ruby rucks? |
| 20:31.00 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 20:31.17 | brailsmt_work | it is self evident |
| 20:31.19 | brailsmt_work | ;) |
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| 20:31.43 | synic_ | on why I might want to use it to develope cross-platform gui applications instead of java |
| 20:32.19 | brailsmt_work | it is concise, it has some slick features like blocks and iterators, it has completely open classes, it is easy to extend in C... |
| 20:32.22 | rama | synic_: depends if you want to make money or not. Never used Ruby, but I hear it rocks (next to Perl, of course), but you will probably have an easier time finding a job programming in Java |
| 20:32.47 | brailsmt_work | java heads get paid well... |
| 20:32.57 | brailsmt_work | rubyists are relatively unknown... |
| 20:33.16 | rama | ruby=nirvana |
| 20:33.17 | Bradipo | Java sucks for platform independence though (at least as far as a web app is concerned). |
| 20:33.19 | rama | java=God |
| 20:33.19 | brailsmt_work | average java programmer gets paid more than the average C/C++ programmer |
| 20:33.25 | rama | forgive my blasphemy |
| 20:33.36 | synic_ | hrmm... |
| 20:33.41 | synic_ | so far I really dig java |
| 20:33.52 | synic_ | first experience developing anything in a totally OOP language. |
| 20:33.54 | rama | Perl = both |
| 20:33.54 | neybar | something is wrong then... |
| 20:34.03 | brailsmt_work | java is a hybrid, not pure OO |
| 20:34.15 | synic_ | because of the primitive types? |
| 20:34.20 | brailsmt_work | ruby *is* pure OO |
| 20:34.24 | brailsmt_work | synic_: yes |
| 20:34.30 | synic_ | ah. |
| 20:34.49 | synic_ | yeah, I was reading that in ruby, the number 1 is an instance of FixedNumber or something. |
| 20:34.56 | brailsmt_work | synic_: just try to add a method to the Integer class in Java... |
| 20:35.24 | brailsmt_work | class Fixnum; def new_method; ... end; end; |
| 20:35.36 | brailsmt_work | then "1.new_method" |
| 20:35.48 | brailsmt_work | pretty cool |
| 20:35.57 | brailsmt_work | try this |
| 20:36.05 | brailsmt_work | class Fixnum; def new_method; puts "foo" end; end; |
| 20:36.14 | brailsmt_work | oops there should be a |
| 20:36.22 | brailsmt_work | ';' after the second '" |
| 20:36.22 | synic_ | well, I guess you could inherit from the Integer class in java |
| 20:37.00 | brailsmt_work | but then you have to wrap an int in the Integer class... messy |
| 20:37.33 | synic_ | yeah. for what I am doing, it wouldn't matter. |
| 20:38.00 | emcnabb | is ruby used by any big projects? |
| 20:38.08 | brailsmt_work | i mean ruby is cool, you can add methods to an instance of a class at runtime if you want... |
| 20:38.28 | brailsmt_work | emcnabb: there is a link to ruby in the real world at www.ruby-lang.org |
| 20:38.38 | emcnabb | cool |
| 20:38.52 | brailsmt_work | i don't know exactly where, though |
| 20:40.13 | synic_ | bleh @ Perl. |
| 20:40.15 | synic_ | bleh bleh. |
| 20:40.18 | brailsmt_work | rama: you will fail miserably :) |
| 20:40.33 | synic_ | brailsmt_work: don't suppose you have any example FXRuby apps? |
| 20:40.44 | Bradipo | synic_: Please give Tcl/Tk a shot as far as cross platform is concerned. |
| 20:41.00 | synic_ | I just don't like the appearance of Tk on UNIX systems |
| 20:41.03 | rama | maybe I would find the real truth as I'm learning - I'm a bit scared of that - maybe I won't learn Ruby after all ;-) |
| 20:41.07 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 20:41.09 | synic_ | it's so _ugly_ :) |
| 20:41.15 | Bradipo | Not if done right. |
| 20:41.24 | brailsmt_work | synic_: not anymore, i had one, but it was on a hdd that decided see how deeply the head could embed itself in the platter... |
| 20:41.26 | synic_ | not so much so if you make the font not bold and the button borders 1 |
| 20:41.35 | Bradipo | I have seen a notepad.tcl that looks just like notepad.exe |
| 20:41.36 | synic_ | brailsmt_work: ack. |
| 20:41.37 | rama | Anyone tried Kylix? |
| 20:41.51 | brailsmt_work | i have a screenshot though... |
| 20:42.11 | synic_ | Bradipo: but, besides looks, I have heard a lot of good things about Tk (like "why" would anyone need anything else?) |
| 20:42.24 | Bradipo | Well, it is very easy to learn and use. |
| 20:42.28 | Bradipo | It is also event driven. |
| 20:42.31 | brailsmt_work | ruby has tk bindings :) |
| 20:42.41 | synic_ | yeah, i saw that. Built right in. |
| 20:42.46 | rama | I've always thought Kylix looked interesting when writing cross-platform |
| 20:42.48 | Bradipo | Yeah, no need to use Tcl to do Tk, although I think the two go together naturally. |
| 20:42.52 | synic_ | someone just needs to spiff up the default appearance. |
| 20:43.34 | rama | I've never knowne anyone that has used Kylix, though |
| 20:43.42 | synic_ | I've never even heard of it. |
| 20:43.43 | rama | s/knowne/known |
| 20:43.48 | rama | made by Borland |
| 20:43.51 | synic_ | Ah programming... the fun never stops |
| 20:43.55 | synic_ | :) |
| 20:44.46 | rama | It's an IDE that comes with it's own libraries for developing using the API's of multiple platforms, if I understand right |
| 20:44.53 | Bradipo | Does Kylix allow you to write the program once and it will then run across multiple platforms, like Tcl/Tk? |
| 20:45.09 | brailsmt_work | dangit i *had* a screenshot... |
| 20:45.18 | rama | Yes - using it's own libraries, again, if I understand right |
| 20:45.19 | brailsmt_work | hans has some FXRuby stuff |
| 20:45.37 | synic_ | you and hans are the resident ruby gurus? |
| 20:45.42 | brailsmt_work | yup |
| 20:45.47 | brailsmt_work | well, maybe no guru... |
| 20:45.54 | synic_ | cool. How's the performance of FXRuby? |
| 20:45.55 | brailsmt_work | familiar at least |
| 20:46.22 | brailsmt_work | if you are concerned about performance, don't use a scripting language... :) |
| 20:46.27 | brailsmt_work | it is good |
| 20:46.42 | synic_ | yeah... |
| 20:46.43 | elg | synic_: but Fox is a very good toolkit for performance |
| 20:46.59 | rama | http://www.borland.com/kylix/index.html |
| 20:47.06 | brailsmt_work | i have used Fox in both ruby and C++, i didn't notice a difference between the two |
| 20:47.07 | synic_ | later, I gotta go to lunch. |
| 20:47.18 | rama | If you use the CLX, supposedly it works pretty easily across platforms |
| 20:47.22 | brailsmt_work | but i didn't use it extensively |
| 20:47.33 | brailsmt_work | nor was i testing performance issues |
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| 20:50.29 | goozbach | you could always use c# and mono :) |
| 20:50.36 | brailsmt_work | except FXRuby was considerably easier than Fox in C++ |
| 20:55.07 | rama | goozbach: Kylix reminds me alot of that, but compiles down to native machine language at the start, not requiring the middle tier to take up any more resources |
| 20:55.41 | rama | you could also use Visual Perl.net and mono |
| 20:55.55 | rama | Does ruby have a plugin for .net yet? |
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| 21:29.55 | Bradipo | Anyone here know PostgreSQL well? |
| 21:30.19 | neybar | some |
| 21:33.35 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 21:33.41 | Bradipo | I just installed it as per the documentation. |
| 21:34.10 | Bradipo | And setup /usr/local/pgsql/data as the database store (proper term I don't know). |
| 21:34.28 | Bradipo | But now that I know how to use it more, I just want to delete that and create a new on in /var/lib |
| 21:34.34 | Bradipo | So, can I just rm -r ? |
| 21:34.45 | Bradipo | Or is there a postgre specific command to do this cleanly? |
| 21:35.02 | neybar | never tried that... maybe try moving it first |
| 21:36.24 | Bradipo | Too late. :-) |
| 21:36.37 | neybar | lol |
| 21:37.19 | Bradipo | I think it will work this way. |
| 21:40.36 | Bradipo | I like postgres already... |
| 21:40.52 | Bradipo | It logs to stderr... |
| 21:41.27 | goozbach | you can just delete the store. |
| 21:41.47 | goozbach | you have to specify the new data directory with the -D swtich though. |
| 21:41.53 | goozbach | on startup. |
| 21:42.33 | goozbach | if you use a startup script you'll need to modify that also. |
| 21:43.55 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 21:44.08 | Bradipo | I just reran initdb -D with the new path. |
| 21:44.13 | Bradipo | And will setup my startup scripts accordingly. |
| 21:44.23 | Bradipo | Which will be daemontool scripts, by the way. :-) |
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| 22:01.44 | brailsmt_work | Bradipo: i like postgres's documentation from within pgsql... |
| 22:01.54 | Bradipo | How do you get that? |
| 22:02.00 | Bradipo | Do you mean man pages? |
| 22:02.02 | Bradipo | Or the \? |
| 22:02.03 | brailsmt_work | \dt |
| 22:02.08 | brailsmt_work | \h |
| 22:02.14 | Bradipo | Yeah, I was looking at that. |
| 22:02.16 | brailsmt_work | \h create |
| 22:02.27 | brailsmt_work | very slick |
| 22:02.40 | brailsmt_work | i used it for my sql vim plugin |
| 22:02.55 | Bradipo | Hmm, cool. |
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| 22:03.16 | Bradipo | The simple fact that it uses stderr for logging, as opposed to a syslog facility is a big selling point for me. |
| 22:03.29 | Bradipo | I don't like syslog. |
| 22:04.14 | brailsmt_work | Jayce^ just ate a power pill |
| 22:04.19 | brailsmt_work | :) |
| 22:04.55 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 22:12.41 | rama | http://www.essl.com/www.tmbg.com/dial/dial.html |
| 22:13.01 | rama | Jayce^: just got TMBG's dial-a-song |
| 22:13.06 | rama | It's got all my favorites |
| 22:14.15 | levi | I'm listening to an Ill Mitch rap. |
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| 22:27.38 | hans | Bradipo: what's wrong with syslog? do you sit watching stderr for all your daemons? |
| 22:29.14 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 22:29.21 | Bradipo | Ever heard of daemontools? |
| 22:29.23 | hans | nope |
| 22:29.33 | Bradipo | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 22:29.45 | Bradipo | Ever had syslog run away and fill up your filesystem? |
| 22:30.00 | Bradipo | I get so sick and tired of this happening... with daemontools, it never happens. |
| 22:30.05 | goozbach | for his openacs and aolserver daemons |
| 22:30.20 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 22:30.26 | Bradipo | I use it with just about everything I can. |
| 22:31.14 | goozbach | I just started using it I don't trust it enough yet. :) |
| 22:31.45 | hans | not really. it hasn't ever done that to me. (i do use logrotate though) |
| 22:32.16 | Jayce^ | ln -s /var/log /dev/null |
| 22:32.19 | Jayce^ | Yes, that was a joke.. |
| 22:33.00 | Bradipo | Well, I use logrotate as wel. |
| 22:33.08 | Bradipo | But it isn't foolproof. |
| 22:33.43 | Bradipo | And most software isn't written with KISS in mind and therefore ends up breaking down occasionally. |
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| 22:34.09 | Bradipo | For example, the ldapd can be very verbose at times. |
| 22:34.16 | Bradipo | And it will gladly eat all of /var if you let it. |
| 22:34.26 | Bradipo | slapd rather. |
| 22:34.38 | goozbach | snort works well for me. |
| 22:35.49 | Bradipo | Well, you expect snort to be verbose though... |
| 22:35.53 | Bradipo | At least I do. |
| 22:36.03 | Bradipo | It's supposed to report everything. |
| 22:36.23 | goozbach | not if you configure it correctly. |
| 22:36.26 | Bradipo | You wouldn't expect an LDAP daemon to freak out occasionally and dump millions of lines. |
| 22:37.05 | Bradipo | I'm sure there's always a configuration issue with most of them. |
| 22:37.33 | Bradipo | But at least with daemontools, the configuration is centralized (all handled through multilog) whereas with each individual daemon, it may or may not be possible to configure it easily. |
| 22:39.07 | shadoi | msyslog, logcheck, and logrotate for me. |
| 22:39.54 | shadoi | debian makes it a dream. |
| 22:40.33 | hans | debian makes everything a dream, almost :) |
| 22:41.07 | Bradipo | Are you sure you aren't dreaming? |
| 22:41.27 | goozbach | now if installation was such a dream. :) |
| 22:41.30 | Bradipo | Assuming I use pgtcl, how would I integrate it into tcl? |
| 22:41.37 | Bradipo | Oops, wrong channel. |
| 22:41.40 | hans | goozbach: insomniac ;-) |
| 22:42.11 | goozbach | yea so? |
| 22:42.43 | *** part/#utah TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 22:53.35 | shadoi | goozbach: what installer? I haven't installed debian for years, and I've been running it for years.. hehe |
| 23:17.58 | hans | speak, child |
| 23:18.38 | Jayce^ | when I save (from a scp:// file) after the save, it goes to the first line of the file, instead of staying in place |
| 23:19.14 | hans | that does sound annoying |
| 23:19.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, especially on a large file (now what line was I on, and what was the line number after the edits I just saved? ) |
| 23:22.56 | hans | there's a mark of some kind that stores your last position in a file |
| 23:22.59 | hans | maybe you can use that |
| 23:23.25 | Jayce^ | if I knew what/how |
| 23:24.23 | Bradipo | I don't like it when a file opens up to the last position I was editing. |
| 23:24.35 | Bradipo | Drives me nuts, and I hate Vim for defaulting to that. |
| 23:24.53 | hans | that's not a default |
| 23:25.15 | Bradipo | Ok, maybe it's not a Vim default, but it's certainly a linux distributor default. |
| 23:25.22 | levi | I like that behavior. |
| 23:25.27 | Bradipo | So, I hate RedHat, SuSE, and any other that defaults to it. |
| 23:25.28 | hans | yes, some distrubutions probably do that. I like it personally |
| 23:25.43 | Bradipo | Well, I wouldn't mind if it if it wasn't forced upon me. |
| 23:25.51 | Jayce^ | I love having it do that... much prefer it.. |
| 23:25.58 | Bradipo | Especially in a multiplatform environment. |
| 23:26.10 | Bradipo | Where some systems do it, and some don't. |
| 23:26.11 | hans | at least you don't hate debian for that reason ;-) |
| 23:26.13 | Bradipo | It gets very annoying. |
| 23:26.14 | Jayce^ | 86% of the time that's exactly where I'm going too.. |
| 23:26.17 | Bradipo | I want consistency. |
| 23:26.29 | goozbach | how hard is it to change? I mean seriously. |
| 23:26.31 | Bradipo | Well, does Debian do it? |
| 23:26.33 | Bradipo | I don't think it does. |
| 23:26.35 | levi | You run Linux and you want consistency? |
| 23:26.44 | hans | there's one way to avoid consistency - don't use redhat/mandrake/suse/etc. |
| 23:26.46 | Bradipo | No, actually I don't run linux anymore. |
| 23:26.57 | Bradipo | I'm moving more and more towards BSD for this very reason. :-) |
| 23:27.01 | hans | debian doesn't do it. |
| 23:27.06 | Bradipo | I didn't think it did. :-) |
| 23:27.10 | Bradipo | That's why I didn't list it. |
| 23:27.21 | hans | Bradipo: I don't see the difference between choosing BSD and choosing one distribution to stick with in this matter (consistency) |
| 23:27.27 | Bradipo | And, yes, if I use linux, it's Debian, personally, but I can't sell Debian to my boss. |
| 23:27.47 | Bradipo | Because BSD doesn't usually make stupid decisions about defaults, that's why. |
| 23:27.59 | Bradipo | Neither does Debian though. |
| 23:28.08 | Bradipo | So I guess Debian and BSD are my two preferred systems. |
| 23:28.17 | hans | Bradipo++ |
| 23:28.21 | Bradipo | LOL |
| 23:28.43 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, of course you can't sell debian to your boss.. your boss is sco :D |
| 23:28.51 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 23:29.14 | Bradipo | I can't really sell them BSD either, but we have both Debain and BSD boxes installed in production. |
| 23:29.36 | Bradipo | Remember the Cobalt qubes I was talking about... |
| 23:30.00 | Bradipo | The Cobalts started acting up, and we replaced their hard drives with Debian installs. |
| 23:30.16 | Bradipo | Now we don't have any more problems with our Cobalt qubes. :-) |
| 23:31.10 | Bradipo | By the way, none of you can quote me on this. |
| 23:31.16 | Bradipo | I'll pretend like I don't know anything about it. ;-) |
| 23:31.31 | Bradipo | And even /whois won't reveal my identity... LOL |
| 23:32.03 | Bradipo | hans: they really aren't too bad once you put Debian on them, really. |
| 23:32.40 | Jayce^ | bring some to the upcoming 'surplus swap' meet :) |
| 23:32.56 | Bradipo | Does someone have some spares? |
| 23:33.03 | levi | I should pawn my Sun ELCs off on someone. |
| 23:33.08 | Bradipo | I wouldn't mind having a few at home (you know for DNS, DHCP, etc...) |
| 23:33.11 | hans | not that I would mind a spare, of course |
| 23:33.12 | levi | They're currently taking up valuable closet space. |
| 23:33.12 | Jayce^ | levi, bring them to the swap meet |
| 23:33.23 | Jayce^ | it'll be sometime next month probably |
| 23:33.29 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 23:33.40 | goozbach | where do I find out about these swap meets? |
| 23:33.43 | Jayce^ | you can sell/trade/donate there, and plenty of people.. |
| 23:34.00 | Jayce^ | well, we'll be having our first annual one next month probably :) as soon as I get the place and such figured out |
| 23:34.02 | Bradipo | I have an old alpha that used to work. |
| 23:34.13 | Bradipo | It has a short in it now and I haven't had time to look into fixing it. |
| 23:34.17 | Bradipo | Think it's worth trading? |
| 23:34.34 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, probably to somebody... jeff has a couple that he loves.. |
| 23:34.36 | Jayce^ | might want the parts |
| 23:34.39 | Bradipo | It has a new (refurbished) 2GB SCSI drive in it. |
| 23:34.45 | Bradipo | And a new CMOS battery. |
| 23:35.00 | Bradipo | I actually would like to see if someone can get it humming again. |
| 23:35.09 | Bradipo | I want to use it, but just can't figure out where the short it. |
| 23:35.38 | Jayce^ | well, we hope to get people/stuff there to help fix things like that.. |
| 23:36.04 | Jayce^ | and let everybody trade out their old hardware to people who might be able to use it, before DI :) |
| 23:36.09 | Jayce^ | save the middleman :) |
| 23:36.34 | Jayce^ | so speaking of the swap.. anybody know of a good location for something like that? |
| 23:36.58 | Jayce^ | somewhere with power, space, handtruck accessible? |
| 23:37.05 | Bradipo | Somewhere indoors with AC. :-) |
| 23:37.08 | Jayce^ | that way it's easy for people to cart stuff.. |
| 23:37.33 | Jayce^ | plenty of tables and chairs :) |
| 23:38.24 | goozbach | power may be a problem there. |
| 23:40.10 | Jayce^ | maybe.. |
| 23:41.37 | goozbach | you could always throw a generator in the parking lot. |
| 23:44.22 | Jayce^ | hans, #vim said it's a known bug fixed in the latest release.. |
| 23:44.52 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.44 | shadoi | Anyone know somewhere around here that sells cheap rackmount stuff? |
| 23:58.52 | shadoi | I need a 1U chassis for cheap |