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| 00:25.56 | neybar | grr. php is a bear to compile |
| 00:26.17 | goozbach | yes it is. |
| 00:26.25 | goozbach | but well worth it. |
| 00:26.55 | neybar | I was trying to use squirrelmail, but I don't think it is worth it anymore |
| 00:27.02 | Jayce^ | it's not |
| 00:27.06 | Jayce^ | check out atmail |
| 00:27.09 | Jayce^ | mod_perl :) |
| 00:27.13 | neybar | sweet |
| 00:27.15 | emcnabb | go php |
| 00:27.19 | emcnabb | rah rah rah |
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| 00:27.48 | neybar | I almost defiled my machine, but luckily php is more stubborn then I wish to be. |
| 00:27.56 | goozbach | openwebmail is pretty good too. |
| 00:27.58 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 00:28.11 | Jayce^ | I had trouble getting it to run... really wierd.. |
| 00:28.34 | Jayce^ | there are some others I got going easier though |
| 00:29.07 | Jayce^ | well, gotta turn off this machine.. switching out some ram.. |
| 00:29.07 | Jayce^ | bbiab |
| 00:34.59 | emcnabb | http://www.ldsmag.com/breakingnews/030710.html |
| 00:35.08 | emcnabb | did you guys hear about that? |
| 00:35.43 | neybar | yeah, that is a bummer |
| 00:37.14 | goozbach | that stinks. |
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| 04:04.03 | emcnabb | is anyone involved in the newly formed Utah PHP User Group? |
| 04:04.14 | emcnabb | and Jayce, no ripping on PHP ;-) |
| 04:04.29 | Jayce^ | rrrriiiiip |
| 04:05.38 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 04:06.36 | Jayce^ | so, can you think of a location for a surplus swap? |
| 04:06.41 | Jayce^ | preferrably lots of power.. |
| 04:06.45 | Jayce^ | and very close to the parking.. |
| 04:06.52 | Jayce^ | hopefully no stairs |
| 04:06.57 | emcnabb | we might be able to find a place up here on campus that would work |
| 04:07.34 | emcnabb | I'm not sure what they would think though if they found out money was being exchanged (if someone decides to sell a part to someone) |
| 04:07.37 | Jayce^ | so far I haven't found anybody who hasn't thought that would be a really fun activity |
| 04:07.48 | emcnabb | we just won't say anything :-) |
| 04:07.53 | emcnabb | it would be a lot of fun |
| 04:07.55 | Jayce^ | jsut say it's all trades.. |
| 04:08.01 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:08.05 | Jayce^ | sure, I'll trade some silicon for paper :) |
| 04:08.10 | emcnabb | when do you think would be a good date? |
| 04:08.14 | emcnabb | haha! |
| 04:08.25 | Jayce^ | gotta think of different 'contests'.. |
| 04:08.27 | Jayce^ | prizes.. |
| 04:08.40 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:08.42 | Jayce^ | maybe we could get MAS or a similar place to sponsor.. right up their alley |
| 04:08.51 | emcnabb | MAS? |
| 04:09.09 | Jayce^ | used hardware place on state street |
| 04:09.15 | emcnabb | gotcha |
| 04:09.22 | emcnabb | I never knew they existed |
| 04:09.26 | emcnabb | I might have to stop by |
| 04:09.33 | Jayce^ | used to be computer recyclers |
| 04:09.54 | emcnabb | e-mail the officers list if you get a change (that's where official decisions are made :-) |
| 04:10.00 | emcnabb | chance |
| 04:10.10 | Jayce^ | yeah.. when I get a chance :D |
| 04:10.40 | Jayce^ | gotta find a way to define a 'frankenstein' box for an award.. |
| 04:10.41 | emcnabb | I now have my IRC client start-up when I log on so you should see a lot more of me here |
| 04:10.45 | Jayce^ | it's just too fitting. |
| 04:10.47 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:10.48 | Jayce^ | woohoo |
| 04:10.58 | Jayce^ | most drives in a raid array? |
| 04:11.06 | emcnabb | I just don't know the little tricks of IRC yet |
| 04:11.08 | Jayce^ | most drives for the smallest raid array? |
| 04:11.10 | emcnabb | that would rock |
| 04:11.19 | emcnabb | floppy raid arrays? |
| 04:11.23 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 04:11.49 | Jayce^ | slowest machine (underclocking anyone... reeeal stable there) |
| 04:11.56 | emcnabb | oh man |
| 04:12.06 | Jayce^ | the /msg <user> is a private message |
| 04:12.18 | emcnabb | someone should get a prize if they bring a mac fish tank |
| 04:12.22 | Jayce^ | I figure we can use that for some teaching time too.. |
| 04:12.32 | Jayce^ | have some people showing hardware testing software out.. |
| 04:12.43 | Jayce^ | like have some guys assigned to help with memtest86 or such |
| 04:16.37 | neybar | Jayce^: I grabbed atmail and it looks pretty cool, but it looks like it is commercial software |
| 04:16.45 | emcnabb | any other cool things with IRC? |
| 04:17.36 | Jayce^ | neybar, it is... |
| 04:18.18 | Jayce^ | uhh, you can be in multiple rooms, /join room |
| 04:19.19 | Jayce^ | neybar, but of course, you get the full mod_perl code and templates with the download |
| 04:19.40 | emcnabb | so what does the channel operator do and what is the bot? (sorry about my ignorance) |
| 04:21.01 | Jayce^ | channel ops can do things like kick/ban/give voice/make ops.. |
| 04:21.11 | Jayce^ | change settings, like make a room moderated.. |
| 04:21.22 | neybar | right but unless it is gpl or something, and I haven't found that it is yet, then it wouldn't be legally free |
| 04:21.39 | emcnabb | cool |
| 04:26.39 | Jayce^ | http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=37616&nid=5 |
| 04:26.40 | Jayce^ | oh wow! |
| 04:26.43 | Jayce^ | that's bad |
| 04:27.07 | neybar | Jayce^: have you messed around with any other perl based web mailers? |
| 04:27.07 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 04:27.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, can't remember all their names though.. |
| 04:27.48 | Jayce^ | check out perl.apache.org, they have a page of some links to things like that.. |
| 04:27.59 | goozbach | cool even ksl uses php. |
| 04:28.10 | Jayce^ | poor things |
| 04:28.22 | neybar | although, if atmail doesn't charge too much I may actually buy it. This is really cool |
| 04:28.44 | Jayce^ | no, it's waaay expensive.. |
| 04:28.55 | Jayce^ | it's made for big corporate use |
| 04:29.07 | Jayce^ | they dont' have a 'friendly home user' plan |
| 04:29.13 | neybar | bummer |
| 04:29.34 | neybar | the interface is really slick |
| 04:30.46 | Jayce^ | you looking at the 'ie6' only one? |
| 04:31.09 | neybar | mostly at the admin part right now |
| 04:34.50 | Jayce^ | the 'ie6' one is very very nice looking |
| 04:35.18 | emcnabb | wow, atmail is pretty slick |
| 04:35.23 | emcnabb | for a perl app that is |
| 04:35.31 | neybar | for any web app that is |
| 04:35.47 | emcnabb | I'm just give Jayce a hard time |
| 04:36.06 | neybar | lol |
| 04:37.27 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, another note, most clients let you tab complete a nick.. |
| 04:37.51 | emcnabb | did you just send that one directly to me? |
| 04:38.40 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 04:38.52 | Jayce^ | you probably saw your name light up because I specifcally used your name |
| 04:39.00 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
| 04:39.57 | emcnabb | Jayce^: tab competion works... very nice |
| 04:43.47 | goozbach | emcnabb: what client are you using? |
| 04:43.56 | emcnabb | xchat-2 |
| 04:44.21 | emcnabb | well, night all |
| 04:44.50 | goozbach | oh ok. night. |
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| 14:17.17 | Jayce^ | elg, pure tabs, at a width of 4 |
| 14:22.13 | elg | that's what I usually do - but it bites me when I want to print or use someone's code who did the ts=8 sw=4 thing |
| 14:22.29 | elg | especially nasty when editing config files (like /etc/fstab) |
| 14:24.03 | neybar | what is sw? |
| 14:24.34 | elg | shiftwidth (vim terminology for how far to indent) |
| 14:25.23 | neybar | what is the difference between ts (tab stop Im assuming) and shift width? |
| 14:25.39 | neybar | wait, I think I get it |
| 14:25.44 | neybar | like after a { |
| 14:25.46 | elg | tabstop is how big a tab is |
| 14:26.11 | elg | shiftwidth is used when vim has to decide something about indenting (like cindent and smartindent, as well as the < and > commands) |
| 14:26.30 | elg | < and > are the 'shifting' operators. hence the naem |
| 14:27.58 | neybar | how do you use >? ctrl and alt don't seem to do anything |
| 14:29.21 | elg | in normal mode (not insert) do << or >> |
| 14:29.29 | neybar | ah |
| 14:29.38 | elg | you can also do <5 to shift five lines left |
| 14:29.54 | elg | or any other way you specify a range (visual for example) |
| 14:30.00 | neybar | right |
| 14:30.01 | elg | select a region and push < |
| 14:37.16 | elg | there ought to be a way to make screen scroll back on shift-pgup |
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| 15:29.02 | neybar | slacker |
| 15:29.41 | Jayce | riiight |
| 15:31.30 | neybar | so is your system running better now? |
| 15:32.39 | Jayce | no.. |
| 15:32.56 | neybar | dang |
| 15:34.23 | Jayce | think I need to change a bios setting.. |
| 15:39.51 | neybar | I ended up getting squirrelmail anyway. @mail is awesome, but not $200 worth of awesome |
| 15:40.21 | neybar | I was checking out some other perl based web mail packages and the ones I saw pretty much sucked |
| 15:45.26 | Jayce | what port does swat run on? |
| 15:45.34 | elg | 901 i think |
| 15:45.59 | Jayce | that's what I thought, guess it's not on this box |
| 15:48.09 | elg | check inetd.conf |
| 15:50.01 | neybar | what is the format of the black.rc file? |
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| 15:53.16 | Jayce | whatever you want to get rid of |
| 15:53.30 | neybar | right, but what is the format? |
| 15:53.35 | elg | same as all procmailrc files |
| 15:53.51 | elg | INCLUDERC is just like #include in c |
| 15:53.51 | neybar | ah, so it is just a level of separation |
| 15:53.55 | elg | yeah |
| 16:03.36 | elg | is it hard to set up rsync to sync a few files in a given directory to a server? |
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| 16:04.11 | Jayce | wth (what the heck :) ) |
| 16:04.16 | emcnabb | I use rsync all the time |
| 16:04.18 | Jayce | byron, is in here.. it's the end of the world |
| 16:04.27 | elg | feeling better ron? |
| 16:04.30 | byron | i've been here before... |
| 16:04.30 | emcnabb | I usually do whole directories though |
| 16:04.55 | byron | feeling a lot better |
| 16:05.11 | emcnabb | byron: I'll say hi to you even though I'm sitting right next to you |
| 16:05.18 | Jayce | geeeks.. |
| 16:05.22 | Jayce | I'm proud of ya :) |
| 16:05.23 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:05.43 | byron | hi evan |
| 16:06.15 | Jayce | my wife used to rail on a friend and I, because at work we would talk via icq... but we were less than 10 ft away.. |
| 16:06.43 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:06.50 | emcnabb | byron and I are only 4 ft away |
| 16:07.03 | emcnabb | Hans, why are you elg? |
| 16:07.18 | elg | felt like a change. I'm hans at home, elg at work |
| 16:07.26 | emcnabb | gotcha |
| 16:07.31 | elg | danish for moose. I like meese |
| 16:07.45 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:07.58 | emcnabb | I'll start calling you moose then |
| 16:08.29 | elg | nah, in english it means jock. ;-) that's not me, guaranteed |
| 16:08.57 | emcnabb | lol |
| 16:10.48 | Jayce | dunno elg, compared to most of us small, geeky boys, you are closer to the role.. |
| 16:12.36 | elg | hence, elg. :) |
| 16:13.14 | elg | don't you hate that crossroads where it compiles but you know it won't work when you run it? |
| 16:16.00 | Jayce | catually, can't use most of those names, already taken in the internet world.. |
| 16:16.34 | Jayce | s/catually/actualy/ |
| 16:16.35 | levi | I imagine 'elg' is where we get our word 'elk' from. |
| 16:16.37 | Jayce | gahh... |
| 16:16.46 | Jayce | I hat etyping on a non-split keyboard |
| 16:18.05 | elg | levi: I think so too |
| 16:18.53 | Jayce | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.12 | neybar | hmm, my procmail isn't sorting mail. do I need to create the subfolder I want with the new cur and tmp folders in it for it to work? |
| 16:19.16 | elg | squint real hard and the g looks like a k. at least in some fonts. ;-) |
| 16:19.33 | Jayce | neybar.. you have your .procmailrc in place? |
| 16:19.34 | levi | elg: You must still be having font issues... ;) |
| 16:19.35 | Jayce | show it here.. |
| 16:19.42 | neybar | yes |
| 16:19.53 | elg | hehe. actually i finally got things just perfect |
| 16:19.59 | neybar | MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir |
| 16:20.00 | neybar | PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail |
| 16:20.00 | neybar | LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log |
| 16:20.00 | neybar | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/ |
| 16:20.02 | neybar | #INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/white.rc |
| 16:20.04 | neybar | #INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/black.rc |
| 16:20.08 | neybar | :O |
| 16:20.10 | neybar | * ^From.*lances@ie-eg.com |
| 16:20.12 | neybar | * ^From.*miekka@thelanes.net |
| 16:20.14 | neybar | * ^From.*neybar@hotmail.com |
| 16:20.16 | neybar | Family |
| 16:20.29 | Jayce | Family is a mbox 'eh? |
| 16:20.32 | elg | the winner font for gvim is terminus-16. means I have to alias gvim='GDK_USE_XFT=0 gvim' |
| 16:20.33 | Jayce | .Family/ |
| 16:21.17 | Jayce | also, no # on your include line |
| 16:21.19 | elg | but it's imho an excellent font |
| 16:22.08 | neybar | I was commenting it out, those files don't exsist yet |
| 16:23.18 | Jayce | ok.. |
| 16:23.34 | Jayce | but anyways, on the delivery, if you want the maildir delivery, add a / after it.. |
| 16:23.44 | Jayce | and to see if from imap, it needs a .Folder/ |
| 16:23.55 | Jayce | .Folder.Subfolder/ |
| 16:23.57 | Jayce | like that.. |
| 16:25.17 | neybar | ok, I changed it to .Family/ and it is still going to my inbox |
| 16:25.33 | Jayce | then it's probably not matching, what's in the log? |
| 16:25.44 | Jayce | it lists the regex it tries, and where it assigns |
| 16:26.35 | neybar | there is no logfile... hrm |
| 16:27.38 | elg | neybar: maybe procmail isn't getting run |
| 16:27.45 | neybar | procmail: Skipped "O" |
| 16:28.19 | Jayce | lol |
| 16:28.38 | neybar | is :O a o or zero |
| 16:28.38 | Jayce | anybody know web *designers* looking for part time work? |
| 16:28.42 | Jayce | zero |
| 16:28.46 | neybar | ah |
| 16:29.01 | emcnabb | I wish I could make pretty websites |
| 16:29.04 | emcnabb | mine suck |
| 16:29.12 | Jayce | ditto |
| 16:29.36 | levi | I've got a designer friend, I should enlist her help with my website. |
| 16:29.46 | levi | Jayce: Hey, where's your hat? |
| 16:29.48 | byron | elg: you could always tell fontconfig not to antialias just that font and then you wouldn't need the GDK_USE_XFT=0 |
| 16:30.03 | elg | it's not a TT font |
| 16:30.13 | elg | it's a good ol' xfont |
| 16:30.16 | Jayce | on my home computer levi |
| 16:30.24 | levi | Ahhh. |
| 16:30.29 | Jayce | but it's about to get some stuff check out on it.. |
| 16:31.43 | levi | elg: You can set up fontconfig to let you use xfonts as well, I think. |
| 16:32.01 | neybar | ok I am using :Zero now, I'm not getting the skipped error now, but still shows up in the inbox instead of a subfolder |
| 16:32.17 | elg | levi: that would be awesome. where's the manual for that? |
| 16:32.19 | Jayce | what's it say? what's the regex? |
| 16:32.39 | neybar | From neybar@hotmail.com Fri Jul 11 10:27:30 2003 |
| 16:32.39 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.39 | neybar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.06 | Jayce | what's the recipie |
| 16:33.26 | neybar | :O |
| 16:33.27 | neybar | <neybar> * ^From.*lances@ie-eg.com |
| 16:33.27 | neybar | <neybar> * ^From.*miekka@thelanes.net |
| 16:33.27 | neybar | <neybar> * ^From.*neybar@hotmail.com |
| 16:33.27 | neybar | <neybar> .Family/ |
| 16:34.19 | levi | elg: I don't recall, I just remember seeing a debconfig dialog asking if I wanted it or not. |
| 16:34.20 | Jayce | try no .* and just a space.. |
| 16:35.29 | byron | elg: I think you can just add the directory in /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 16:35.40 | byron | primitive fontconfig manual is here: http://www.fontconfig.org/fontconfig-user.html |
| 16:36.10 | neybar | same thing Jayce |
| 16:36.35 | Jayce | hrmm. .poke elg some.... he knows what he's doing.. |
| 16:36.54 | elg | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig. turned on bitmapped fonts. happy |
| 16:37.22 | elg | neybar: maybe I was right the first time last night - maybe they all have to match |
| 16:37.24 | levi | Excellent. :) |
| 16:37.30 | neybar | what do you think elg? is this recipe sane |
| 16:37.32 | neybar | :0 |
| 16:37.32 | neybar | * ^From lances@ie-eg.com |
| 16:37.32 | neybar | * ^From miekka@thelanes.net |
| 16:37.32 | neybar | * ^From neybar@hotmail.com |
| 16:37.32 | neybar | .Family/ |
| 16:37.55 | neybar | let me try that |
| 16:38.27 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.27 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.37 | elg | which means my admin rule is mostly useless. :) |
| 16:39.05 | neybar | yeah, I commented out the first two and it works. |
| 16:41.25 | neybar | Jayce: next question. it looks like it is sorting now. the .Family folder is in my Maildir, how do I make kmail resync so that that folder shows up |
| 17:06.32 | emcnabb | calling all mutt experts |
| 17:07.02 | emcnabb | I want to see how big (size in KB) each message is |
| 17:07.19 | emcnabb | I have the following folder hook set up |
| 17:07.24 | emcnabb | folder-hook . 'set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F {%4l} %s"' |
| 17:07.38 | emcnabb | what is the variable for size? |
| 17:10.34 | Jayce | neybar, when it detects a message in there, it gets it.. or just stop/start kmail |
| 17:11.21 | neybar | yeah I stop/started it |
| 17:12.05 | elg | emcnabb: %d I believe |
| 17:12.13 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 17:12.22 | elg | are you getting 0? |
| 17:12.41 | elg | index_format="%4C %Z %(%b %d) %-15.15F (%4l) %s" |
| 17:13.50 | elg | i think i was wrong. I thin it's the %4l |
| 17:16.13 | emcnabb | I just tried %c, that works pretty well |
| 17:16.21 | emcnabb | man muttrc rocks |
| 17:16.28 | emcnabb | (I just found out) |
| 17:20.46 | elg | emcnabb: so does F1 in mutt |
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| 17:56.59 | neybar | elg, I have some bogofilter questions. what is the best way to start training bogo? How do I tell bogo that it messed up? |
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| 19:47.55 | elg | cat spam.mbox | bogofilter -s # train from spam corpus |
| 19:48.11 | elg | cat inbox.mbox | bogofilter -n # train from non-spam corpus |
| 19:48.29 | elg | cat really_not_spam.mbox | bogofilter -S # this isn't spam, you idiot |
| 19:48.36 | neybar | lol |
| 19:48.46 | elg | cat really_spam.mbox | bogofilter -N # this is spam, dolt |
| 19:49.22 | neybar | so if I want to setup a notspam or spam bounce email address for mistakes is it better to use lower or uppercase? |
| 19:50.40 | neybar | also do you personally think that it is better to use a system wide wordlist or individual ones? |
| 19:51.10 | elg | if it's for mistakes (already gone through bogofilter) then use the capital letters to retratin it |
| 19:51.18 | neybar | ok |
| 19:51.58 | neybar | bogofilters own docs are pretty terse. I have found a few other resources around though |
| 19:52.08 | neybar | this looks really cool |
| 19:52.08 | elg | the manpage is really good |
| 19:54.35 | neybar | ok, if you use spamassasin and bogofilter together will bogofilter second guess SA if you specifically retrain it with -S or -N? |
| 19:54.59 | elg | well, the answer is "fuzzy" |
| 19:55.11 | elg | are you familiar with what bayesian statistics is? |
| 19:55.37 | neybar | no, unfortunately I _really_ avoided higher math if I could avoid it when I was in school |
| 19:57.08 | emcnabb | I use spamassasin right now, how does bogofilter compare? |
| 19:57.33 | neybar | I think at the most basic bogofilter learns over time |
| 19:57.33 | emcnabb | bayesian networks are fun |
| 19:57.40 | emcnabb | cool |
| 19:58.44 | elg | neybar: ok, I'll give you the short version: bayesian filters learn what is spam based on the frequency of words as it learns |
| 19:59.39 | neybar | you know what is funny.. I almost want spam now just to play with bogofilter... |
| 20:00.00 | Bradipo | I don't get enough spam to train my bmf at home. |
| 20:00.16 | emcnabb | does it take other things into consideration (forged headers, etc); i.e. does it learn from stuff other than words |
| 20:00.19 | elg | naive bayes is (more or less) each word is considered independently - i.e. "low rates" isn't considered as a phrase but as two independent words |
| 20:00.20 | emcnabb | ? |
| 20:00.30 | Bradipo | It doesn't care what the words are per se. |
| 20:00.30 | elg | yet it's amazingly effective |
| 20:00.37 | Bradipo | It only analyzes them mathematically, so yes. |
| 20:00.50 | emcnabb | interesting |
| 20:01.14 | elg | neybar: so, to answer your question, it will probably have no correlation between spamassasin headers themselves (since they always appear) but to the words that are unique to spam that spamassasin enters |
| 20:01.15 | Bradipo | So, for example, the reoccurance of an IP address in an email that you train as spam will work as well as any word. |
| 20:01.22 | neybar | I saw a cool procmail recipe that will train bogo with spamassassin |
| 20:01.46 | elg | if spamassasin is right most of the time, those words will reinforce the bayesian decision. if spamassasin is not right most of the time, they will be less decisive or even counter-decisive. |
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| 20:11.56 | emcnabb | http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux03/ScoSource-02_Story03.html |
| 20:12.02 | neybar | yeah... he has a button on the top of his head. when you push it his face will flip to a new one... |
| 20:12.04 | emcnabb | is this a joke? |
| 20:12.33 | neybar | site is down |
| 20:12.47 | emcnabb | really? |
| 20:13.26 | elg | it's been #utah'd |
| 20:13.32 | emcnabb | haha |
| 20:13.51 | emcnabb | MozillaQuest Magazine: Can you please explain what you mean by "Linux is a derivative of that UNIX source code"? |
| 20:13.52 | emcnabb | Blake Stowell: Linus Torvalds has stated over and over that Linux was developed as a derivative of UNIX. I think Linus has been pretty clear on that. It's not a mystery. |
| 20:13.52 | emcnabb | MozillaQuest Magazine: Does "Linux is a derivative of that UNIX source code" mean that the Linux source code is a subset of the UNIX source code? |
| 20:13.57 | emcnabb | Blake Stowell: Yes. |
| 20:14.10 | emcnabb | wow |
| 20:14.26 | neybar | that is retarded |
| 20:14.46 | elg | evan, what was the link for brailsmt the other ady? |
| 20:14.55 | emcnabb | the article says c++ might be theirs too |
| 20:15.00 | neybar | lol |
| 20:15.03 | emcnabb | oh, hold on |
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| 20:15.37 | emcnabb | http://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/2003/06/22.html |
| 20:15.46 | emcnabb | Here is a picture of one group of protesters. Do they look like pirates or commies to you? Or just a nice family that loves Linux enough to join in a show of support for their favorite operating system? |
| 20:15.50 | Jayce^ | oh that's stupid.. |
| 20:29.35 | Jayce^ | "Whether or not parts of SCO's UNIX intellectual property resides in any parts of Linux is still being investigated" |
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| 21:24.33 | Jayce^ | man, xchat isnt' saving my nick.. |
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| 22:18.01 | neybar | Bradipo: I have a courier question for you |
| 22:18.12 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 22:19.11 | neybar | I want all users to have a .Spam folder in their Maildir. I added it manually, but I get really odd error from imap until something is actually delivered to that folder. |
| 22:19.33 | Bradipo | Hmm, that shouldn't happen. |
| 22:19.35 | Bradipo | How did you add it? |
| 22:19.41 | Bradipo | Did you put it in /etc/skel/Maildir ? |
| 22:19.45 | neybar | yes |
| 22:19.50 | neybar | just mkdir .Spam |
| 22:19.58 | Bradipo | That's why. :-) |
| 22:20.01 | Bradipo | YOu should use maildirmake |
| 22:20.07 | neybar | ah |
| 22:20.11 | Bradipo | maildirmake /etc/skel/Maildir/.Spam |
| 22:20.40 | Bradipo | YOu might have to specify the full path to maildirmake (either in /var/qmail/bin or in the courier bin directory). |
| 22:22.54 | neybar | do what does maildirmake do? I just see that it creates the dir structure. is it doing something somewhere else also? |
| 22:24.08 | neybar | nm, man is really cool |
| 22:25.57 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 22:26.03 | Bradipo | It doesn't really do anything special. |
| 22:26.09 | Bradipo | But it makes it easier to setup than manually. |
| 22:27.37 | neybar | interesting cause when I was doing it manually I added the new,cur,and tmp dirs too and it didn't work. |
| 22:27.52 | neybar | but oh well cause maildirmake works just fine |
| 22:28.32 | Bradipo | Well, you have to have the permissions correct as well. |
| 22:28.41 | Bradipo | I have created them manually, but it sucks that way anyway. |
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