| 00:01.06 | hans | liero - http://thehunter.home.attbi.com/downloads/liero133.zip |
| 00:01.09 | hans | a dos game |
| 00:01.13 | hans | very fun |
| 00:01.47 | hans | no, really. you're a worm with a bungee grappling hook and WMD, playing capture the flag/tag |
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| 00:26.30 | hans | hmm. worked in windows, rules out printer and bios |
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| 00:30.02 | hans | /dev/lp0 has 666 perms too |
| 00:30.25 | brailsmt_ | thats evil |
| 00:30.27 | brailsmt_ | ;) |
| 01:36.25 | hans | sql question: |
| 01:36.56 | hans | I want to insert a row with all values defaulting, as if to type "insert into table () values ()" |
| 01:37.06 | hans | but of couse, that syntax is bogus... what syntax do I want? |
| 01:38.06 | hans | update: apparently, that does work in mysql (just tested), but doesn't in sqlite (which I'm using) |
| 01:38.17 | hans | that's probably why it looked familiar :) |
| 01:38.27 | goozbach | do you have a index colum? |
| 01:38.41 | hans | yeah, it's got an auto_increment column |
| 01:39.38 | goozbach | try to do an insert just inserting the auto_increment. |
| 01:40.07 | hans | with what value? NULL? |
| 01:40.49 | goozbach | what ever the auto_increment should be. |
| 01:41.22 | hans | NULL works, and the auto_increment takes care of itself |
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| 02:26.11 | Jayce^ | hans: yeah, your syntax will just insert default values into everything.. and NULL to those not defined.. |
| 02:34.29 | hans | Jayce^: alas, not in sqlite. but NULL for at least one makes it work |
| 02:54.55 | hans | anyone know the going rate for java programming? |
| 03:18.03 | synic | hans: am I able to change the line number margin width in vim? |
| 03:26.27 | hans | i imagine. I don't use line numbers |
| 05:29.32 | brailsmt_ | synic: no you cannot, at least not without modifying the source... |
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| 14:57.29 | hans | with a routing table like this, why would broadcast packets get through just fine? |
| 14:57.31 | hans | Kernel IP routing table |
| 14:57.31 | hans | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 14:57.31 | hans | 10.8.117.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:57.31 | hans | 192.168.1.0 - 255.255.255.0 ! 0 - 0 - |
| 14:57.34 | hans | default pc172-117-1.et. 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:57.43 | hans | (to 192.168.1.255) |
| 14:57.55 | hans | # ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
| 14:57.56 | hans | WARNING: pinging broadcast address |
| 14:57.56 | hans | PING 192.168.1.255 (192.168.1.255) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 14:57.56 | hans | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.102 ms |
| 14:59.15 | hans | # ping 192.168.1.2 |
| 14:59.15 | hans | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 16:41.47 | hans | anyone going to OSCON? |
| 16:49.01 | ramannoodle | if someone wants to pay for me to go - any dibs???? |
| 16:53.15 | ramannoodle | I almost got my last employer to pay for me to go...then they laid me off - guess they didn't like my request |
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| 17:56.00 | ramannoodle | so, anyone get their name on the Do Not Call registry yet? I haven't been able to get through. |
| 18:03.46 | levi | I don't get enough telemarketing calls to bother. |
| 18:03.57 | levi | I'd probably do it if I got a land line, though. |
| 18:05.14 | ramannoodle | I hear telemarketers are getting through to the cell phones now, too. |
| 18:06.39 | ramannoodle | President Bush said this morning they were getting about 105 people/second signing up for the list...that would explain why I can't get to the website. |
| 18:10.09 | levi | I haven't got any cold telemarketing calls ever. I have received survey calls from people who pick random numbers and follow-up calls from magazine people I gave my number to, but that's it. |
| 18:14.49 | ramannoodle | my uncle owns Marketing Ally there in Provo - I wonder how this will affect his company |
| 18:15.43 | neybar | anyone heard of a company in orem called Liquid Orange? |
| 18:33.56 | daxal | thats about all i've heard |
| 18:34.49 | daxal | ramannoodle really? I worked for them for a short period of time. (like 3 weeks) |
| 18:36.05 | tensai | ramannoodle: really it should help. now they won't have to waste time calling me when I'm not ever going to give them money |
| 18:40.23 | ramannoodle | tensai: I worked for them several times - even worked for Northsky with Mike Handy, Thayne, and Dan Hanks - that's when I got involved with PLUG |
| 18:40.50 | ramannoodle | I don't know if you were there when PLUG used to met in that building (the old Star Palace) |
| 18:41.28 | ramannoodle | Actually, my Uncle does a lot of political and charity telemarketing, as well as inbound calls for customer service, etc. I don't think he'll be affected too much |
| 18:41.49 | ramannoodle | I think you can also call businesses as well, and he did quite a bit of that |
| 18:42.02 | ramannoodle | Heck, he doesn't like telemarketers calling him, either |
| 18:42.04 | ramannoodle | :-) |
| 18:42.53 | ramannoodle | I was just lowly tech support for freeservers back in those days |
| 18:43.07 | ramannoodle | Those guys got me interested in Linux and Perl, though |
| 18:43.10 | daxal | lol, back in those days. |
| 18:44.08 | daxal | i remember doing a whois lookup on freeservers, and going, wow, they're in provo. |
| 18:45.26 | ramannoodle | yeah - my Uncle sold them to About at just the right time... |
| 18:45.51 | ramannoodle | They used to be just a simple web hosting and design firm |
| 18:46.03 | ramannoodle | They designed Rush Limbaugh's site at one time. |
| 18:47.11 | daxal | kewl. |
| 18:47.54 | ramannoodle | I liked them better as a small company. |
| 18:49.21 | Matt_O | ramannoodle you know Dan Hanks? |
| 18:50.52 | ramannoodle | yeah - I only worked with him shortly, though - he came in right when they changed their name from Direct-Connect to Northsky, and we moved our location from the Star Palace to the Orem location |
| 18:51.29 | ramannoodle | I left a couple months later, after they moved to the Orem location. |
| 18:51.42 | ramannoodle | (old Word Perfect building, in fact) |
| 18:53.34 | ramannoodle | There's some other really cool people that are still working there that don't get involved with PLUG. Paul Siemens was an awesome Perl programmer, as was Rob (I forgot his last name) - Dan was Mike Handy's right-hand man, along with Thayne. Mike Handy's brother, Nate was my boss at one time. |
| 18:54.21 | ramannoodle | Their CEO was the coolest CEO I've had as well - Hal Halladay. He left shortly after they were bought by About. |
| 19:35.02 | ramannoodle | You could always resort to spam...that's still legal in most states. ;-) |
| 19:35.31 | ramannoodle | I understand, though. |
| 19:36.35 | ramannoodle | I wonder if setting that could actually be a mistake on Bush's part. All the jobs left are telemarketing or tech support jobs. |
| 19:57.22 | goozbach | or sooner if I don't start comming to work |
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| 20:13.43 | Matt_O | ramannoodle I have no idea who any of those people are or what you were talking aobut.. but I do know Dan Hanks, I went to elementary school with him and we were quite good friends when we were 10 years old or so |
| 20:13.49 | Matt_O | we don't talk much these days unfortunately |
| 20:14.11 | Matt_O | I am not even sure why you mentioned Dan Hanks's name, I assume someone else in this channel knows him too |
| 20:15.37 | Bradipo | He's a prominent member of PLUG and I believe he hangs out here every once in a while. |
| 20:16.08 | Bradipo | So, its a fair chance that someone else in here knows him. :-) |
| 20:17.31 | ramannoodle | yeah - I was just mentioning the other names just to babble on - Mike Handy and Thayne Harborough (sp?) are the former Presidents, and founders of PLUG. |
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| 20:18.23 | ramannoodle | Then I went to work for IDIGlobal where I worked with Jayce^ |
| 20:18.44 | Jayce^ | gahhhhh IDI.... yuck |
| 20:18.54 | ramannoodle | which is better, IDI or OGF? |
| 20:18.56 | Jayce^ | dont' scare me with that name when I'm just logging in.. |
| 20:19.02 | Jayce^ | heh.. neither.. |
| 20:19.12 | Jayce^ | well, at least OGF had a good idea at first.. |
| 20:19.26 | Jayce^ | ramannoodle: you heard the current status at idi? |
| 20:19.31 | ramannoodle | Yeah - they started out well. |
| 20:19.35 | ramannoodle | I know they went IPO |
| 20:19.48 | ramannoodle | Dave said they're going to start hiring a bunch more programmers as well |
| 20:19.59 | ramannoodle | but, no |
| 20:20.05 | ramannoodle | I haven't heard |
| 20:20.17 | Jayce^ | hah.. they laid off most everyone.. 5 people total in the devel crew (design and programmers).. |
| 20:20.20 | Jayce^ | might actually be less now |
| 20:20.50 | ramannoodle | yeah - that's what it sounded like - they started right after you and I left (after that nice quarell we had with Steve Comer about trying to keep us in) |
| 20:21.27 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 20:23.49 | ramannoodle | I hear Dave got married last year - that's cool |
| 20:23.55 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 20:23.58 | Jayce^ | finally :) |
| 20:24.16 | Jayce^ | never thought he'd marry, much less who he did.. |
| 20:24.28 | Jayce^ | she's very different than all the other girls he'd dated. |
| 20:24.34 | ramannoodle | really? |
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| 20:24.42 | ramannoodle | what's she like? |
| 20:36.17 | Jayce^ | she's an RM :) |
| 21:03.42 | ramannoodle | that is different for him - very good! |
| 21:04.05 | ramannoodle | donotcall.gov changed their design since this morning |
| 21:04.51 | ramannoodle | eck! It's running on asp - no wonder no-one can get to it. |
| 21:05.07 | goozbach | donotcall.gov killed mozilla |
| 21:06.17 | ramannoodle | Their running IIS - why would they do that for something that will be so popular? |
| 21:06.28 | ramannoodle | I wonder how many tax dollars they wasted with that. |
| 21:07.01 | goozbach | as long as that site has problems I'll have a job. GO IIS!! |
| 21:08.40 | ramannoodle | Actually, it should help your company - you'll be calling only the customers that want to be called, filtering out the bad ones, so your company ought to make more money |
| 21:09.41 | brailsmt_work | i feel no pity for telemarketers... |
| 21:10.00 | brailsmt_work | i used to feel bad about hanging up, but not anymore... |
| 21:10.25 | ramannoodle | besides that, businesses can still make calls for 15 mos after making a sale as well. |
| 21:10.36 | Bradipo | Oh, when I get calls from them I have my modem pickup. |
| 21:10.38 | Bradipo | It's cool. |
| 21:10.59 | ramannoodle | I just give the phone to my 3-year old - she _loves_ to talk on the phone... |
| 21:11.05 | Bradipo | Hehe. |
| 21:11.10 | brailsmt_work | if you hit '#' on the phone enough it should confuse their phone system... (at least that is what i heard) |
| 21:11.32 | brailsmt_work | from my sister who used to be a telemarketer |
| 21:12.01 | goozbach | brailsmt_work: that # thing doesn't work. at least not for our system. |
| 21:12.08 | ramannoodle | reading about this new system, it seems like it ought to be a telemarketer's dream - you actually have more beneficial calls. |
| 21:12.15 | brailsmt_work | dangit... hanging up always works... |
| 21:12.24 | ramannoodle | goozbach: which telemarketing company do you work for? |
| 21:12.37 | goozbach | all our calls are cold. (ie lists we by from other people) |
| 21:12.50 | goozbach | it is called midwest marketing |
| 21:12.59 | goozbach | based in Cedar City |
| 21:13.25 | ramannoodle | My Uncle has a branch in Cedar City as well - I helped set up the phone-lines over there. |
| 21:13.58 | ramannoodle | goozbach: just think though, imagine if all of those bought lists were nothing but people that want to buy over the phone - tons of time trying to convince people would be saved |
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| 22:22.13 | daxal | i usualy waste their time by saying, can you hold real quick? i put them on mute, and leave the phone off the hook until they hang up. |
| 22:25.02 | goozbach | that's a little more effective than the # key thing suggested above. |
| 22:25.30 | daxal | it hurts their stats to |