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| 02:54.54 | brailsmt_ | my wife just rolled her eyes when i told her :) |
| 03:37.58 | Russ | picketing what? |
| 03:47.27 | brailsmt_ | SCO |
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| 14:51.02 | hans | Jayce^: back in town? |
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| 15:48.22 | Bradipo | Sounds like I'll be seeing some of you this Friday eh? |
| 15:49.10 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 15:49.27 | Jayce^ | now, which side of the line will you be on (I know dumb question :) ) |
| 15:49.35 | Jayce^ | we know the programmers aren't at fault.. |
| 15:50.15 | ramannoodle | Did anyone see the guy posted as anonymous coward that made comments about workers in Utah? |
| 15:50.21 | ramannoodle | (on /.) |
| 15:50.30 | Jayce^ | no |
| 15:52.10 | ramannoodle | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67903&cid=6222578 |
| 15:52.22 | ramannoodle | wonder if it's anyone from our group |
| 15:53.58 | Jayce^ | dunno |
| 15:54.40 | Bradipo | I didn't see it. |
| 15:55.02 | Bradipo | You should see some of the lame Mormon conspiracy theories all over the place. |
| 15:55.32 | Bradipo | It's kind of funny. |
| 15:55.42 | Jayce^ | oh I've seen many... a co-worker believes a lot of them (he lives in texas) |
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| 15:56.39 | ramannoodle | I just tell them it is a conspiracy, and they're all going to be converted, whether they like it or not. (JK) |
| 15:57.04 | Jayce^ | nah, too many belive that re: baptisims for the dead |
| 15:59.27 | ramannoodle | definitely...it's interesting how open people are about religion here, but the minute you mention you're Mormon, they get quiet all of the sudden. |
| 15:59.36 | ramannoodle | (in VA) |
| 16:00.01 | ramannoodle | I wish I could read minds. |
| 16:00.14 | ramannoodle | That would be very amusing. |
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| 17:25.53 | brailsmt | SCO needs an enema |
| 17:26.08 | brailsmt | a peanut butter enema to be exact, extra crunchy |
| 17:26.14 | brailsmt | :) |
| 17:26.56 | ramannoodle | eeeww! |
| 17:28.36 | CosmicPenguin | Wow. Thats a visual best left unvisualized |
| 17:30.43 | brailsmt | life would suck after one of those puppies... |
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| 18:10.47 | ramannoodle | so, hans, what's your uptime???? |
| 18:10.54 | ramannoodle | ;-) |
| 18:11.12 | hans | 11 days at home. :) |
| 18:11.21 | hans | 5 minutes here |
| 18:11.30 | hans | and the kernel is about half compiled again. :) |
| 18:12.06 | hans | anyone know how I could make a perl script a windows executable without the user having cygwin or perl installed? I've heard rumors that it's possible. |
| 18:12.33 | ramannoodle | perlexe - I haven't been able to find a copy though since Visual Perl.net came out. |
| 18:12.52 | ramannoodle | Although you can also do it with VisualPerl.net |
| 18:12.58 | hans | what's that? |
| 18:13.53 | ramannoodle | VisualPerl.net runs using .net, basically using a different way of communicating from program to program (instead of using ActiveX or OLE) |
| 18:15.41 | ramannoodle | Works a lot like the way Java does in that it compiles down to a Common Runtime Environment |
| 18:15.50 | ramannoodle | (I'm still trying to learn the specifics) |
| 18:16.27 | ramannoodle | But the great thing about .net is you can get a Perl program to work with a C program, a C program to work with a Java program, and vice-versa. |
| 18:16.36 | hans | would it be easy to distribute a script made with it? i.e. if grandma can download and unzip, can she run the script? |
| 18:16.39 | ramannoodle | You can even create GUI's using perl on Windows. |
| 18:16.56 | hans | sounds slick |
| 18:17.24 | ramannoodle | As soon as .net becomes standard. The problem is that everyone that runs a .net executable has to have the latest .net patches from Microsoft for it to work. |
| 18:17.33 | ramannoodle | Windows 2003 I believe comes preinstalled with it. |
| 18:17.37 | Jayce^ | oh yeah.. and their standards aren't standard.. |
| 18:17.50 | ramannoodle | It will be very cool when mono comes out. |
| 18:17.54 | Jayce^ | parrot |
| 18:18.09 | ramannoodle | is that the mono equivalent? |
| 18:18.16 | ramannoodle | haven't kept up with that side. |
| 18:18.28 | Jayce^ | no, that's the perl 6 VM that also runs other languages. |
| 18:18.38 | Jayce^ | eg python, ruby, php, etc.. |
| 18:19.02 | ramannoodle | ahhh...I need to read up on that. I've lost touch somewhat with the developing Perl world. |
| 18:19.35 | ramannoodle | I miss programming nothing but Perl. |
| 18:20.22 | ramannoodle | Jayce^: have you checked out the Programming Perl in the .net Environment book by ActiveState yet? |
| 18:20.31 | Jayce^ | no |
| 18:20.55 | ramannoodle | If you ever deal with visual perl.net again, it's one of the best Perl for Windows books I've read yet. |
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| 18:21.21 | ramannoodle | Even when not in Windows, it has one of the best OOP tutorials I've seen. |
| 18:22.52 | ramannoodle | When is Perl 6 scheduled to be released? |
| 18:22.54 | hans | pardon? |
| 18:23.11 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.33 | ramannoodle | I need to brush up on what's been planned. It will almost be a different language when it comes out. |
| 18:23.44 | Jayce^ | it will, but it will still be perl.. |
| 18:25.18 | ramannoodle | kind of the difference between C and C++ but on a higher level in some ways, do you think? |
| 18:25.57 | Jayce^ | no, not really.. whole different world kinda |
| 18:26.56 | ramannoodle | Are there any good books out on it yet, or is it still too early. |
| 18:27.01 | ramannoodle | s/./?/ |
| 18:30.11 | Jayce^ | way too early.. |
| 18:30.32 | Jayce^ | oreilly will have one out soon, but it is still largely theoretical and based on discussions.. |
| 18:58.09 | Jayce^ | bash question for the folks.. |
| 18:58.23 | Jayce^ | HTTP_proxy should route all http requests to the value right? |
| 19:01.04 | CosmicPenguin | ?? I'm not sure |
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| 19:29.07 | tensai | Jayce^: it's http_proxy. all lowercase |
| 19:29.14 | tensai | same for ftp_proxy |
| 19:29.16 | Jayce^ | oh really? |
| 19:29.24 | tensai | yes |
| 19:29.41 | tensai | or at least has been in my experience |
| 19:30.38 | Jayce^ | crap... that was it.. the docs I've been reading kept saying HTTP_proxy |
| 19:30.40 | Jayce^ | grrr |
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| 20:09.53 | hans | i hate cards |
| 20:09.53 | hans | er, cars |
| 20:09.53 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 20:09.56 | hans | wish I could just walk or bike or something. but I can't afford to live in NYC :) |
| 20:11.37 | hans | the worst part is the creeping. I have a good mechanic that actually does a thorough check up front and still i'm paying more than I would have if I'd known to begin with. If I'd known it would be this much, i'd have tried to convince my wife that fixing/buying a motorcycle would be a better idea. :) |
| 20:12.46 | Jayce^ | http://www.real-world-solutions.com/files/soapbox.swf |
| 20:19.42 | ramannoodle | Jayce^: don't you work at home??? |
| 20:19.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's why it's so easy to walk to work... :) |
| 20:20.18 | hans | if I worked at home, I'd bumble to work |
| 20:20.26 | ramannoodle | yeah - you also probably work in your pajamas |
| 20:20.33 | Jayce^ | usually |
| 20:20.49 | ramannoodle | and sometimes you probably don't even walk - just wake up, pick up a laptop, and work |
| 20:21.19 | hans | some day we may not even have to do that |
| 20:21.38 | ramannoodle | ahhh...it would be nice to work in my sleep. |
| 20:21.44 | ramannoodle | or maybe not... |
| 20:21.47 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:22.16 | hans | death to RSIs :) Hello mental facilities |
| 20:22.17 | ramannoodle | ooohhh...ESP vim |
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| 20:58.26 | CosmicPenguin | How do you suppose this works under Linux: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/5ee4/ |
| 21:00.27 | goozbach | very good question. |
| 21:06.15 | Jayce^ | usb mass storage driver most likely |
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| 21:29.02 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: Undoubtably |
| 21:29.38 | CosmicPenguin | But the 6 in 1s are hit or miss really, usually with the SD which is clamped down tight under encyrption restrictions |