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| 01:37.54 | byron | howdy all |
| 01:38.09 | byron | coming to you live from the uug meeting |
| 01:50.05 | Jayce^ | how's it going? |
| 01:50.36 | Jayce^ | what's the largest hardware/setup/db count he's seen mysql on.. |
| 01:50.52 | byron | i'll ask when we get to the question section |
| 01:51.11 | Jayce^ | mysql aint using it all, no matter how much conf file we modify.. |
| 01:51.26 | byron | we just gave away phantom, the baddest cyrix every made |
| 01:51.32 | Jayce^ | and it winds up acting like it's hit it's limit of capacity |
| 01:51.33 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 01:51.55 | Jayce^ | yeah, we're working with mysql, and they haven't been able to do anything mroe than we have... |
| 01:52.18 | Jayce^ | because of our # of db's, and amount of data.. (many many gig |
| 02:56.34 | byron | sasha has started talking about optimizing mysql apps |
| 02:56.48 | byron | and he said that the config options really don't make much of a difference |
| 02:57.08 | byron | he even said that maybe it would have been good to leave them out |
| 02:58.37 | Jayce^ | nah, we tried that.. got about the same results |
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| 13:07.26 | hans | happy friday 13 |
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| 14:03.24 | Mecworks_ | morning |
| 14:03.30 | hans | howdy |
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| 15:31.11 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.15 | hans | 2.4.21 released |
| 15:36.56 | Bonez39 | new kernel? |
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| 15:40.56 | hans | yup |
| 15:41.06 | hans | i'm not bothering with it yet, though |
| 15:51.08 | Bonez39 | what sort of extras does it include? I am reading the changelog now...but what have you heard about it? |
| 15:53.51 | hans | i haven't heard of anything profound, which is why I'm not bothering yet |
| 15:54.17 | hans | unless I have good reason, I'll just wait at least until kernel-source-2.4.21 is packaged in debian. |
| 15:56.13 | Bonez39 | with this SCO mess..do you see the linux community finding out what the problems are in the code, and writing new code to replace it, to keep the SCO goons away? |
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| 15:58.26 | hans | if/when SCO says which code is in question, it would be quickly replaced |
| 16:02.39 | Bonez39 | when it was caldera..I signed up for their developer list..and they regularly send me stuff about what and where SCO is going..they are saying they have opened up the code for inspection, but very few are willing to abide their NDA and thus forego looking at it. |
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| 16:04.12 | hans | i wouldn't sign their nda either |
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| 17:26.55 | brailsmt | is 2.4.21 new? I have been running 2.4.21 for months now... |
| 17:30.49 | CosmicPenguin | brailsmt: 2.4.21 final is new |
| 18:56.22 | brailsmt | something in the 1.5GHz range... |
| 19:07.33 | CosmicPenguin | Cheap |
| 19:08.01 | brailsmt | < $150? |
| 19:11.20 | levi | You could probably get a 2+ghz mb/cpu for less than $150, depending on what sort of mb/ram you want. |
| 19:14.16 | brailsmt | 128MB ram with a 2GHz machine would be much faster than any amount of ram with my current 300MHz machine... |
| 19:14.22 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:14.25 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:14.35 | brailsmt | and ram is an easy upgrade |
| 19:14.47 | levi | You can get a whole 2.4ghz barebones machine for >$300 |
| 19:16.40 | brailsmt | i will have to call around and check it out... |
| 19:17.10 | brailsmt | i need to make sure that my current cards and stuff will still function with a new mobo/cpu... |
| 19:17.26 | levi | Do you have any ISA cards? |
| 19:17.50 | brailsmt | you mean plug n play? |
| 19:18.05 | hans | isa = dinosaur before PCI |
| 19:18.37 | brailsmt | probably, the computer is >3 years old |
| 19:19.38 | levi | ISA slots are rare these days on new mbs. |
| 19:19.47 | hans | it'd have to be older than that to have ISA that came with the computer |
| 19:20.21 | brailsmt | it is an ASUS p2b mobo with an intel celeron 300MHz cpu, bought in 1999 i think... |
| 19:23.36 | levi | It may have an ISA slot. The question is whether there's anything in it that would be expensive to replace. |
| 19:24.15 | hans | right |
| 19:37.05 | hans | Jayce: are you alive? |
| 19:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... EBC's website seems to be kaput |
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| 20:01.02 | ramannoodle | Mortals! |
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| 20:05.01 | levi | ramannoodle: Lunch! |
| 20:05.08 | hans | lol |
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| 20:14.58 | ramannoodle | Oh - I wasn't referring to you guys. I was referring to my boss and the President of our company. |
| 20:15.48 | ramannoodle | They want everything in Spreadsheets - no need for programs to manage this stuff in one place - lets create a lot of files and paper mess so we have to hunt for information! |
| 20:18.02 | Bradipo | Ahh, the joys of corporate pressures. |
| 20:20.54 | ramannoodle | misinformation loses America millions of dollars every year. We ought to get our congressional leaders to begin pushing information-awareness or something like that. |
| 20:21.39 | ramannoodle | You know - something like you get a tax break if you give your IT people raises. |
| 20:21.49 | ramannoodle | And listen to them. |
| 20:22.40 | Bradipo | Hehe, that would be nice. |
| 20:37.47 | levi | I used to be in IT here. Now they are the enemy. |
| 20:39.07 | CosmicPenguin | Thts the thing about IT - they are either your best friend or your worse enemy |
| 20:40.18 | ramannoodle | levi: what are you doing now? |
| 20:40.27 | levi | I'm a programmer now. |
| 20:42.00 | levi | The IT guys always want more control over the developers' workstations, etc. |
| 20:42.17 | CosmicPenguin | Whew doggy - its lightning time |
| 20:42.30 | goozbach | IT++ |
| 20:42.45 | goozbach | IT managers are god. :) |
| 20:43.02 | levi | There was quite a fuss when they sent out an email asking for our root passwords. |
| 20:43.14 | goozbach | IT peeons are peeons |
| 20:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | levi: serously? At a Linux house like yours? |
| 20:43.43 | goozbach | mmmm |
| 20:43.45 | goozbach | .... |
| 20:43.52 | levi | Alas, only the software developers actually use Linux for the most part. |
| 20:44.07 | goozbach | maybe I should send out an email asking for root passwords. |
| 20:44.08 | CosmicPenguin | Even so... |
| 20:44.41 | CosmicPenguin | I would've sent it, and then changed it immediately |
| 20:45.35 | CosmicPenguin | "Your root password didn't work". "Well, you see I change it weekly for safety" |
| 20:45.39 | levi | I gave them my root password, but my box boots up by default to a different system than the one I use, so it'd be useless. |
| 20:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | "That doesn't seem very safe" "Well, it kept you out, jackass" |
| 20:45.59 | goozbach | lol at CosmicPenguin |
| 20:46.46 | goozbach | I really don't need to ask for the root passwords here at work. I installed all the linux boxen myself |
| 20:46.52 | ramannoodle | I'm both the IT department and Programming department and IS management, so I get the brunt of everything. |
| 20:47.22 | ramannoodle | I guess you could say I'm my best friend and my own worst enemy. |
| 20:47.23 | goozbach | me too. |
| 20:47.49 | goozbach | ramannoodle: do you have any peeons you can dish work out on? |
| 20:48.06 | ramannoodle | Just contractors, unfortunately. |
| 20:48.13 | goozbach | darn |
| 20:48.59 | goozbach | I love dishing passwords, little projects, Saturdays, and users I can't stand off on the peeons |
| 20:49.18 | ramannoodle | The President of our company for some reason is under the impression that only one IT/IS person is needed. Everything else can be dished out to contracted companies. |
| 20:50.07 | ramannoodle | I wonder how much money they'd save if they actually hired one or two more people to do the things our hosting and web development companies do. |
| 20:50.30 | goozbach | "I know you're losing money because of this problem; Just let me finish my game of frozen bubbles." |
| 20:51.02 | ramannoodle | Ahhh...the joys of a small company. |
| 20:51.35 | goozbach | We save $150/mo+ on hosting and web development because I do it. |
| 20:52.07 | goozbach | When I started here This place was a mess |
| 20:52.27 | ramannoodle | We'd save thousands if we did it ourselves. I don't think our President wants the extra stress. |
| 20:52.55 | goozbach | It wouldn't be his stress would it? |
| 20:53.07 | goozbach | wouldn't it be yours? |
| 20:53.23 | goozbach | just where do you work ramannoodle? |
| 20:53.36 | ramannoodle | I wish I could engrain that in his head, but he is one of those micro-managing type leaders that wants to know everything that is going on in his company. |
| 20:53.47 | ramannoodle | cwdkids.com (Children's Wear Digest) |
| 20:54.01 | ramannoodle | It's a decent company. I'm just frustrated today. |
| 20:55.56 | goozbach | oh! thats right. how much did that web site development cost? |
| 20:56.28 | goozbach | my manager by contrast dosen't care until it doesn't work |
| 20:57.05 | goozbach | then he just keep bugging me until it works again. |
| 20:57.44 | ramannoodle | We pay them quite a bit hourly for it. I don't get the bills on that one, so I'm not completely sure. |
| 20:57.58 | goozbach | hourly OUCH |
| 20:58.16 | ramannoodle | Hosting is several thousand a month, I believe. |
| 20:58.54 | goozbach | how much traffic you generate? |
| 20:59.02 | ramannoodle | If I could just do my job, I would save them tons of money - I feel somewhat limited in what I can do for the company. |
| 20:59.16 | ramannoodle | We get about 2,000,000 hits+ a day. |
| 20:59.23 | goozbach | not bad |
| 20:59.29 | goozbach | not bad at all. |
| 20:59.42 | goozbach | who does the hosting/development? |
| 21:00.08 | ramannoodle | A company that Verio bought out called Oleran - it's up in Northern Virginia. |
| 21:00.36 | goozbach | heard of iodynamics? |
| 21:00.56 | ramannoodle | sounds familiar. |
| 21:01.29 | goozbach | they're utah based, they do a pretty good job, pretty cheap too. |
| 21:02.49 | goozbach | http://www.iodynamics.com/ |
| 21:03.23 | ramannoodle | Okay - I think I've heard of them. There's a lot of better prices out there, but bidding for any change in process here is almost impossible. |
| 21:04.07 | goozbach | sorry dude that stinks. |
| 21:04.11 | ramannoodle | We're a very conservative company that likes to take baby steps and not do anything different unless absolutely necessary. |
| 21:04.31 | goozbach | bbiab |
| 21:04.42 | ramannoodle | It's partially why we're still making money, but doesn't mean I like it. |
| 21:04.54 | ramannoodle | cya in a few |
| 21:06.07 | ramannoodle | okay - I'm done venting. |
| 21:53.16 | goozbach | geez I didn't mean to upset him |