| 00:10.47 | goozbach | thanks hans |
| 00:13.22 | hans | there ought to be a simple way to describe database schemas in xml and produce horrid db-specific create table statements automatically. |
| 00:15.43 | goozbach | hans: write a program that'll do that |
| 00:18.17 | hans | only if noone else has. :0 |
| 00:23.45 | hans | well, here goes |
| 00:24.06 | hans | is there some sort of reference for strict SQL? |
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| 00:38.30 | Bonez39 | hi hans |
| 00:43.09 | hans | hi Bonez39, how are you? |
| 00:44.40 | Bonez39 | doing ok..but I am running into trouble when I apt-get to remove the .deb package of jpilot on my system..it wants to install stuff that won't install, citing broken pipes and unmet dependencies..and on top of that..my mouse, with three buttons, died, now I run a two button mouse..and I can't paste..so I can't paste to #flood or elsewhere. |
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| 01:40.22 | goozbach | anyone know of a good news ticker (ala knewsticker) for GNOME? |
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| 02:01.33 | chavezone | hello utah |
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| 02:13.10 | synic | any o you fools installed gentoo on a laptop with a pcmcia cdrom drive? |
| 02:13.30 | synic | or... any distro for that matter? |
| 02:13.56 | synic | FreeBSD sees the drive fine, but neither gentoo or redhat can mount it |
| 02:13.58 | HarleyPig | Not a cdrom but a pcmcia card. |
| 02:14.18 | synic | well, the pcmcia network card works ok... |
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| 14:00.30 | ramannoodle | greetings |
| 14:13.46 | Mecworks_ | morning |
| 14:14.14 | ramannoodle | It's a beautiful day out here on the East coast. How about Utah? |
| 14:29.09 | Mecworks_ | pretty nice. temps in the mid 80s today. Rode my recumbent to work today...great ride. |
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| 14:41.54 | ramannoodle | I used to live in South Provo just about 20 yards below the Bonneville shoreline trail. I miss the days of walking that trail to work in Springville. I'm going to have to move back to Utah sometime. |
| 15:02.16 | levi | Utah is the place to be, or something. |
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| 15:16.59 | Mecworks_ | I really like utah. Almost always about ten to twenty minutes away from the mountains no matter where you live along the wasatch front. |
| 15:20.03 | ramannoodle | Yeah - in my last house the mountain was my backyard, and I still had to sell the house for $20,000 less than what we bought it for. I'm still hurting from that. |
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| 15:38.26 | hans | ramannoodle: along a parallel universe - do you know where cartridges can be bought in non-bulk for cheap? doesn't need to be HP, just needs to have ink and print. |
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| 15:43.31 | ramannoodle | hans: not sure. I was able to find some on google, but I couldn't find any that just sell HP. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bulk+toner |
| 15:44.30 | ramannoodle | oh - didn't see the non-bulk part. |
| 15:45.39 | ramannoodle | hans: try pricewatch.com |
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| 15:46.34 | ramannoodle | hans: try pricewatch.com |
| 15:51.50 | ramannoodle | hans: this place has some good prices: |
| 15:51.52 | ramannoodle | http://www.4inkjets.com/index.html |
| 15:53.18 | ramannoodle | When buying toner cartridges from non-hp vendors, you might want to keep track of your page counts. Not only can the non-hp providers hurt the printer, but I've found they have a much lower page-count that isn't worth the smaller price. |
| 15:53.54 | ramannoodle | unless of course your printer isn't hp. |
| 15:59.31 | hans | i have a new old hp712c |
| 15:59.36 | hans | new to me, that is |
| 16:00.36 | hans | it doesn't want to work and I think it's because the color cartridge is empty (at least it seems empty). I don't give a flip about printing in color, but the nondescript documentation hints that the printer won't print if the cartridges are empty. anyone know how I can check without shelling out dough for the cartridge? |
| 16:04.49 | hans | what about refill kits - are those worth it? |
| 16:48.14 | Jayce^ | I just refilled mine, worked great a few days, but now isn't printing right... |
| 16:48.35 | Jayce^ | starts printing and then the ink just seems to stop... it has plenty, but won't let it out right |
| 16:58.12 | ramannoodle | I've heard similar experience with inkjet refills. If the cost is worth it, it might be a good temporary solution. I don't think inkjet cartridges affect the printer as much as bad toner does. |
| 16:58.56 | ramannoodle | However, for a more permanent solution, go with the hp ink cartridges. |
| 17:00.12 | ramannoodle | With laserjets, we ran a test here at work, taking the page count for a refurbished cartridge, versus an hp one, and the page count was almost double for the hp toner cartridge - that is for a laser printer, though. |
| 17:01.18 | ramannoodle | I've got an old hp 610C at home - still works great. Never used refill kits, though. |
| 17:05.53 | ramannoodle | Hey - anyone used the Ximian desktop 2 yet? |
| 17:18.43 | Jayce^ | guy on uug was just talking about it.. |
| 17:18.44 | Jayce^ | I won't.. |
| 17:38.34 | ramannoodle | why not? |
| 17:43.34 | brailsmt | i won't either |
| 17:43.38 | brailsmt | :) |
| 17:43.54 | ramannoodle | why not? |
| 17:44.26 | brailsmt | too big, too slow, not configurable enough for my tastes |
| 17:44.59 | ramannoodle | ahhh...makes sense |
| 17:45.07 | brailsmt | and besides I am working on another wm that is better... kahakai.sf.net |
| 17:45.26 | brailsmt | </bias> |
| 17:45.27 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 17:45.46 | ramannoodle | I'm just curious from a business standpoint whether a non-linux user would really find it usable and easy to figure out. |
| 17:46.10 | ramannoodle | I'll have to try it out when I get a chance. |
| 17:48.52 | brailsmt | what ximian? beats me, but from a coming-from-windows standpoint, kde and gnome/ximian are good choices for wms... |
| 17:49.34 | brailsmt | they provide an interface that is similar enough to windows users that they can pick it up in no time... |
| 17:50.11 | ramannoodle | I hear Ximian has done a great job in this version of incorporating printing and network-sharing/samba sharing into their desktop. |
| 17:50.11 | brailsmt | and that is another reason i dislike kde or gnome... too much like windows... |
| 17:50.49 | ramannoodle | I'm an Enlightenment fan myself. |
| 17:50.57 | brailsmt | ramannoodle: could be, but I don't know, at the present I use waimea (waimea.sf.net) which very much not advisable for people used to windows... |
| 18:09.18 | hans | anyone compiled a 2.4.20 kernel lately? |
| 18:09.29 | hans | what's this all about? |
| 18:09.29 | hans | net/network.o(.text+0xfc72): In function `rtnetlink_rcv': |
| 18:09.29 | hans | : undefined reference to `rtnetlink_rcv_skb' |
| 18:09.43 | Jayce^ | what gcc? |
| 18:10.02 | hans | 3.3 |
| 18:10.22 | Jayce^ | supposedly the kernel has a lot of problems with 3.3 |
| 18:10.39 | hans | hrmm. now that you mention it I've heard that too. |
| 18:10.46 | Jayce^ | supposedly .21 will be ok with it, but it's requiring a lot of work |
| 18:11.19 | hans | does it particularly matter which compiler I use? (i.e. can I use 2.95 or 3.0?) |
| 18:11.46 | hans | or 3.2? |
| 18:11.56 | Jayce^ | 3.2.x should be fine |
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| 18:28.37 | hans | hmm. this is refusing to use gcc-3.2 |
| 18:31.49 | Jayce^ | ftp2.us.vim.org is rather slow.. |
| 19:12.52 | Jayce^ | mozilla.. ewww.. long time on 500 |
| 19:14.50 | hans | esp. niced :) |
| 19:23.12 | ramannoodle | I just got a 2.5ghz machine (512k bus) - very nice. I just need to install linux on it sometime now. |
| 19:24.35 | levi | Fun. |
| 19:25.34 | Jayce^ | it's not usable until then |
| 19:27.07 | hans | indeed, not even worth trying to use |
| 19:44.17 | levi | Silly zealots. :) |
| 19:58.29 | brailsmt | and i use gcc3.2.2 |
| 20:05.43 | levi | That's nice, I suppose. |
| 20:48.43 | brailsmt | anyone know how to get gnuplot to show dates? i have a data file in this format "mm/dd/yyyy data", i want it to display that way in gnuplot... |
| 20:48.54 | brailsmt | i mean the mm/dd/yyyy part... |
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