| 00:07.28 | hans | i am |
| 00:07.38 | synic | Ok, let's talk VIM |
| 00:07.50 | synic | if you have the time |
| 00:10.22 | synic | (I'm the guy that wrote about the editor in the mailing list) |
| 00:14.13 | hans | :) hope I wasn't too harsh. it's been a long day. |
| 00:14.20 | hans | i have just a little bit of time |
| 00:14.42 | hans | and i'm glad to share it for the enlightenment re vim |
| 00:14.42 | synic | nah - it's all good. |
| 00:15.10 | synic | one question before I start... |
| 00:15.43 | hans | grant has a good point though - the one thing I wish vim would do better at is give me info about function protoypes etc. but it doesn't leave us in the cold exactly. try [d on a macro or [i on a variable/function name |
| 00:15.57 | synic | I have noticed that almost every terminal I am on has a different keymap or something. It can get pretty annoying, and I was wondering if there is a way to fix it |
| 00:16.04 | hans | [D and [I will give all the instances |
| 00:16.12 | hans | yeah, there is: run debian |
| 00:16.24 | synic | for instance, on our server, if I am in vi and type /whatever and hit backspace it makes some funky character |
| 00:16.34 | hans | seriously, I hated that about redhat and figured it was part of unix life |
| 00:16.50 | hans | then I installed debian and all of a sudden I never had those problems on my box. |
| 00:17.06 | synic | well, I actually run FreeBSD, Gentoo, and slackware. Our server is redhat |
| 00:17.08 | hans | what is your server? |
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| 00:17.22 | synic | I have had problems on both FreeBSD and Redhat in the keymap regard |
| 00:17.46 | hans | i had this all figured out once, when I used hpux and redhat. there's two kinds of 'backspace' and 'delete' |
| 00:18.09 | synic | I know there is a TERM environment variable ... it's set to rxvt on the gentoo machine. I don't know if it has anything to do with the keymap |
| 00:18.41 | hans | ^? and ^H if you're having trouble usually changing which code your key sends will do the trick. (stty I think) |
| 00:18.47 | hans | it can influence it |
| 00:19.15 | synic | hrmm? I don't understand? |
| 00:19.52 | hans | it's all fuzzy for me still, although at one time it made sense |
| 00:20.00 | hans | try this in vim: |
| 00:20.05 | hans | :he 'backspace' |
| 00:20.17 | hans | oops, wrong one |
| 00:20.18 | synic | k, lemme get to a file on the server |
| 00:20.46 | hans | :he Linux-backspace |
| 00:22.12 | synic | ok, lemme try the loadkeys thing |
| 00:22.27 | synic | wow. |
| 00:22.30 | synic | that worked. |
| 00:23.07 | hans | also see |
| 00:23.10 | hans | :he fixdel |
| 00:23.52 | synic | ok |
| 00:25.42 | hans | http://www.ibb.net/~anne/keyboard.html |
| 00:26.57 | synic | what are some things VIM has over using a GUI editor like I described? |
| 00:28.28 | hans | synic: gotta go, let's pick this up another time. too much to praise vim for in 2 minutes. :) |
| 00:28.40 | synic | alright. |
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| 01:57.46 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:57.51 | brailsmt | i hate midterms |
| 01:58.57 | statik | I love em. |
| 01:59.07 | statik | Then I can fail a class twice. |
| 01:59.11 | brailsmt | you are nuts... |
| 01:59.16 | statik | That is true. |
| 01:59.21 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:00.00 | brailsmt | anyone up for mountain biking tommorrow and/or Mondya? |
| 02:00.07 | brailsmt | Monday, even |
| 02:00.27 | statik | I would if I was still there. |
| 02:00.34 | statik | Actually |
| 02:00.43 | statik | I would go to cedar city.. |
| 02:00.46 | statik | that would be fun. |
| 02:00.50 | statik | To bike, I mean. |
| 02:00.57 | brailsmt | where you at now? |
| 02:01.44 | statik | Sin City. |
| 02:02.03 | brailsmt | ewww... I can't stand arid climates... |
| 02:02.21 | brailsmt | and LV is nothing if not arid |
| 02:02.34 | statik | Hey, no bugs. I cant complain. |
| 02:02.48 | statik | Well there is the occasional 8 in. millipede |
| 02:02.50 | brailsmt | thats true |
| 02:02.51 | statik | But other than that.. |
| 02:03.12 | brailsmt | no mosquitos, chiggers, etc... |
| 02:03.34 | statik | Nope. |
| 02:03.54 | statik | But I guess it wouldnt matter if there were.. If the bugs didnt get me the heat would.. |
| 02:04.00 | statik | Its been a hundred and six the last three days |
| 02:04.11 | statik | I havent stepped outside in a week. |
| 02:04.21 | brailsmt | see, that is waht i mean, and like 0.5% humidity... |
| 02:04.24 | statik | I think, I am begining to blend in with the carpet |
| 02:04.27 | statik | Yeah... |
| 02:04.34 | statik | I hate humidity. |
| 02:04.38 | statik | Sucks.. |
| 02:04.46 | statik | You sweat so much, you cant tell the difference. |
| 02:05.09 | brailsmt | i love humidity...and thunderstorms, real thunderstorms, not the little dinky things UT gets... |
| 02:05.28 | statik | I love thunderstorms too, man. |
| 02:05.36 | statik | One more year here, and I move to seattle. |
| 02:05.44 | statik | Man. |
| 02:05.48 | statik | Whats that like? |
| 02:06.21 | brailsmt | i never saw a tornado, I have seen many funnel clouds though... |
| 02:06.39 | statik | Sweet. |
| 02:06.41 | statik | Are you LDS? |
| 02:06.49 | brailsmt | yes |
| 02:06.53 | statik | Did you grow up in the church? |
| 02:06.56 | brailsmt | yes |
| 02:06.59 | statik | Hmm. |
| 02:07.04 | brailsmt | in Independence, MO |
| 02:07.07 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:07.10 | statik | Oh, well that is why! |
| 02:07.17 | brailsmt | why what? |
| 02:07.28 | brailsmt | i like humidity and thunderstorms and stuff? |
| 02:07.41 | statik | Why you grew up in the church.. the last time, I went there it was mostly mormons. |
| 02:07.48 | statik | That was a year and a half ago, however. |
| 02:07.55 | statik | Maybe not that long.. |
| 02:08.33 | brailsmt | no way, there were only about 15 kids in my school that where mormon, and my school was over 3500 students... |
| 02:08.40 | statik | Seriously? |
| 02:08.47 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 02:08.48 | statik | man, things have sure changed. |
| 02:09.13 | brailsmt | i haven't been there in like 7 years, but I doubt that there has been a big change... |
| 02:09.29 | statik | I was there just a while ago.. |
| 02:09.35 | statik | For the nauvoo pagent |
| 02:09.35 | brailsmt | what part? |
| 02:09.51 | statik | I was all over down that way.. |
| 02:10.09 | statik | I went on a trip and saw everything there was to see as far as the LDS church goes. |
| 02:11.33 | brailsmt | well, there are *a lot* of historical church sites there in the Independence area, I mean that was Church HQ for awhile... |
| 02:11.48 | statik | Yeah. |
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| 04:24.46 | statik | Yay for bucky! |
| 04:25.11 | bucky_ | hehe, what? |
| 04:30.38 | bucky_ | heya statik |
| 04:36.08 | statik | Hey buddy. |
| 04:36.59 | bucky_ | whassa |
| 04:37.03 | statik | Man, its even to hot at 930 to go skate. |
| 04:37.06 | statik | Whats up with that. |
| 04:37.19 | brailsmt | i can see the later it gets, the more intelligent the conversation becomes... |
| 04:37.19 | bucky_ | it's vas legas baby |
| 04:37.36 | statik | Yeah. |
| 04:37.44 | bucky_ | statik: are you one of my cousins? |
| 04:37.48 | statik | Yes. |
| 04:38.02 | bucky_ | the one that just got married? |
| 04:38.02 | statik | Your uncle john is my mom. |
| 04:38.11 | statik | Yeah, thats me. |
| 04:38.18 | bucky_ | congrats |
| 04:38.19 | statik | Beutifull wife, huh? |
| 04:38.21 | statik | Thanks man. |
| 04:38.29 | bucky_ | she looks like a nice person |
| 04:38.36 | bucky_ | so you moved? |
| 04:38.43 | statik | Yeah, to vegas. |
| 04:39.01 | bucky_ | goin' to UNLV |
| 04:39.09 | bucky_ | ? |
| 04:39.14 | statik | Nah, I dont do school. |
| 04:39.19 | statik | Despise it. |
| 04:40.13 | bucky_ | did you see my post on pclinux.com http://www.pclinuxonline.com//modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6777 |
| 04:40.31 | statik | Nope. Let me check it out. |
| 04:41.47 | statik | Hehe.. |
| 04:42.08 | bucky_ | i can see that guy falling asleep on the couch |
| 04:42.25 | bucky_ | "it was running when i got up" |
| 04:42.28 | statik | Whats that supposed to mean. I fall asleep on the floor. |
| 04:42.36 | statik | Oh, hehehe. |
| 04:42.36 | bucky_ | lol |
| 04:42.46 | bucky_ | you got linux on anything? |
| 04:43.19 | bucky_ | time to wipe out the wife's quickbooks |
| 04:43.21 | statik | Yes. |
| 04:43.40 | bucky_ | what are you running? |
| 04:43.42 | statik | I have linux on my microwave, a couple toasters and some computers, aswell. |
| 04:43.59 | brailsmt | when i get a pda, it will be a zaurus, since it runs linux :) |
| 04:44.00 | statik | Gentoo, LFS, Redhat are the ones I use the most often. |
| 04:44.07 | statik | My cousin has one. |
| 04:44.14 | statik | He wont let me touch it though. |
| 04:44.22 | brailsmt | gentoo is the only distro i use |
| 04:44.29 | statik | Its good stuff eh. |
| 04:44.32 | brailsmt | on two cpus |
| 04:44.38 | statik | I am actually installing it for the first time right now |
| 04:44.41 | statik | Having trouble. |
| 04:44.47 | brailsmt | distcc is great! |
| 04:44.52 | brailsmt | what troubles? |
| 04:44.59 | statik | I cant configure my NIC |
| 04:45.03 | brailsmt | are you the one installing it on ppc? |
| 04:45.10 | statik | ifconfig shows nothing at boot from the LiveCD |
| 04:45.24 | statik | but when I configure it, I still cant ping |
| 04:45.25 | brailsmt | what brand NIC you have? |
| 04:45.34 | statik | 3 Com |
| 04:45.40 | statik | minus the space |
| 04:46.01 | brailsmt | well, at least it will run on linux... 3com has a good linux track record with linux. iirc |
| 04:46.06 | bucky_ | statik: did you run pci-config |
| 04:46.12 | brailsmt | can you load it yourself? |
| 04:46.18 | statik | No, I didnt even know about that. |
| 04:46.22 | statik | What do you mean, brailsmt |
| 04:46.25 | bucky_ | statik: i mean pci-setup |
| 04:46.33 | statik | Ok, let me try that |
| 04:46.40 | bucky_ | that's the gentoo way |
| 04:46.48 | brailsmt | you can manually get it running, then make the config work |
| 04:47.05 | statik | its not there. |
| 04:47.34 | statik | brailsmt; I configured it using ifconfig |
| 04:47.51 | statik | I set the interface, mask, broadcast, and ip |
| 04:47.57 | statik | Then I used route |
| 04:48.00 | brailsmt | so you got it working? |
| 04:48.03 | statik | Nope.. |
| 04:48.07 | bucky_ | so you got done with the install and booted up w/out the cd |
| 04:48.09 | statik | it still didnt work after that.. |
| 04:48.20 | statik | No, I cant get internet for the install. |
| 04:48.27 | statik | Or do I need internet for the install? |
| 04:48.33 | brailsmt | try an lsmod |
| 04:48.37 | bucky_ | yes you do |
| 04:48.41 | statik | The module isnt there. |
| 04:48.45 | statik | 3c95x is |
| 04:48.48 | brailsmt | and look for anything that looks like it has to do with a 3com nic |
| 04:48.51 | statik | but that doesnt work with this card. |
| 04:49.07 | statik | The thing is, is that redhat picks it up nicely. |
| 04:49.19 | brailsmt | what module does rh use? |
| 04:49.26 | statik | I dont know.. |
| 04:49.32 | statik | I had it on for a day then deleted it |
| 04:49.35 | statik | Never checked. |
| 04:49.45 | brailsmt | do you have knoppix? |
| 04:49.53 | statik | I dont believe so. |
| 04:49.59 | bucky_ | statik: so how did you boot up, w/ grub or the cd |
| 04:50.04 | statik | cd |
| 04:50.05 | brailsmt | you could plop in a knoppix cd and see what module it loads... |
| 04:50.16 | statik | I cant.. |
| 04:50.24 | statik | I am booted to the cd right now. |
| 04:50.29 | bucky_ | statik: did you chroot in? |
| 04:50.36 | statik | No.. |
| 04:50.43 | brailsmt | so boot to windows, d/l knoppix, burn it and reboot into knoppix |
| 04:51.02 | statik | How big is knoppix? |
| 04:51.12 | brailsmt | 700MB |
| 04:51.16 | statik | Shit.. |
| 04:51.19 | statik | What is it? |
| 04:51.23 | statik | Another distro? |
| 04:51.41 | brailsmt | it is a live distro, it runs right from the cd |
| 04:51.48 | statik | Ahh ok.. |
| 04:52.14 | statik | Well I can do that, or I could reinstall rh which would take less time and do the same thing |
| 04:52.22 | statik | What do you prefer. |
| 04:52.33 | statik | I guess once I download it, I will always have it. |
| 04:52.49 | brailsmt | whichever works best for you, knoppix doubles as a good rescue disk |
| 04:52.57 | statik | Yeah. |
| 04:53.00 | statik | I may do that. |
| 04:53.02 | bucky_ | statik: he just wants you to dl it so you can find out which nic driver you need |
| 04:53.18 | statik | I know, but redhat will find it as well. |
| 04:53.23 | brailsmt | hang on... |
| 04:53.28 | statik | k |
| 04:54.28 | brailsmt | which card do you have, make, model, etc? |
| 04:55.09 | brailsmt | s/driver/module |
| 04:55.10 | statik | Thanks man. |
| 04:55.13 | brailsmt | same difference... |
| 04:55.18 | statik | Same difference. |
| 04:55.20 | brailsmt | what card? |
| 04:55.30 | statik | I dont know for sure, let me look |
| 04:55.33 | statik | hang |
| 04:56.18 | statik | 3Com Fast EtherLink XL PCI |
| 04:58.48 | brailsmt | the module should be 3c59x.o |
| 04:59.03 | brailsmt | try 'modprobe 3c59x' |
| 04:59.20 | bucky_ | rmmod 3c95x first |
| 04:59.55 | statik | Thats the one I have. |
| 05:00.17 | brailsmt | are you sure it isn't working? try 'ifconfig -a' |
| 05:00.39 | statik | ok |
| 05:00.47 | brailsmt | also try '/etc/init.d/net.eth0 status' |
| 05:01.38 | bucky_ | there was a gotcha with that card, the 3c59x worked with the 3c905b but not the 3c905c |
| 05:01.38 | statik | eth0 shows up using 'ifconfig -a' |
| 05:01.45 | statik | but doesnt show my dhcp status |
| 05:02.00 | brailsmt | ok, try 'dhcpcd eth0' |
| 05:02.07 | statik | I have a billion times |
| 05:02.11 | statik | but that doesnt do anything |
| 05:02.17 | statik | Same problem.. |
| 05:02.19 | statik | let me check something |
| 05:02.29 | brailsmt | try 'dhcpcd eth0 -k' |
| 05:02.42 | brailsmt | then 'dhcpcd eth0' |
| 05:02.43 | statik | ok |
| 05:03.46 | statik | dhcpcd not running |
| 05:03.49 | statik | but I just typed it |
| 05:04.37 | bucky_ | is it plugged in? |
| 05:04.40 | statik | Let me reboot. I may have farted up some files a while ago |
| 05:04.43 | statik | Yeah it is.. |
| 05:04.48 | statik | let me reboot. |
| 05:04.50 | brailsmt | are the lights on? |
| 05:05.05 | brailsmt | on the card, i mean... |
| 05:05.14 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:05.21 | statik | Heh.. |
| 05:05.43 | statik | Yeah they are |
| 05:06.00 | statik | Ok |
| 05:06.03 | brailsmt | you rebooting? are you installing on another machine? |
| 05:06.19 | statik | After it boots and logs into root, I should just type dhcpcd eth0 |
| 05:06.20 | statik | right? |
| 05:06.24 | statik | Yeah, reboot only |
| 05:06.27 | statik | same machine |
| 05:06.53 | bucky_ | type pci-setup |
| 05:06.58 | statik | That doesnt work |
| 05:07.07 | statik | command: pci-setup not found |
| 05:07.18 | bucky_ | then your cd i borked |
| 05:07.31 | bucky_ | F-2 |
| 05:07.35 | statik | I doubt it. |
| 05:07.39 | bucky_ | any help files? |
| 05:07.44 | brailsmt | what does '/etc/init.d/net.eth0 status' show? |
| 05:07.50 | statik | Still booting |
| 05:07.59 | statik | The cdrom is old, so it takes forever to boot |
| 05:08.07 | brailsmt | ok |
| 05:08.19 | bucky_ | statik: how can you type in pci-setup if its still booting? |
| 05:08.27 | brailsmt | lol |
| 05:08.33 | statik | I typed it in when you told me to the first time, dork |
| 05:08.37 | statik | :0 |
| 05:08.55 | bucky_ | statik: i didn't have any trouble installing gentoo |
| 05:09.03 | statik | So what does that mean.. |
| 05:09.14 | brailsmt | statik: you are following the install doc? |
| 05:09.18 | statik | yeah, I am. |
| 05:09.30 | bucky_ | pci-setup works, and no he's not following the install doc |
| 05:09.35 | statik | Yes, I am. |
| 05:09.36 | brailsmt | statik: it means nothing more than you are having a hard time setting up your nic for some reason... |
| 05:09.46 | bucky_ | statik: then you can't read |
| 05:09.46 | statik | brailsmt: Yeah, I know.. |
| 05:10.04 | brailsmt | bucky_: you aren't being a help... |
| 05:10.09 | statik | Ass. |
| 05:10.24 | bucky_ | statik: tell you mother john hello for me |
| 05:11.05 | statik | Sure thing. |
| 05:11.08 | bucky_ | statik: go back to redhat where you belong |
| 05:12.05 | statik | Someones not in a good mood. |
| 05:12.08 | brailsmt | bucky_: go crawl back under your rock... |
| 05:12.12 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:12.31 | bucky_ | brailsmt: you broke into this discussion |
| 05:12.57 | brailsmt | you turned it sour |
| 05:13.21 | bucky_ | it's my turn to be the center of the universe, not yours |
| 05:14.01 | statik | Who are you? |
| 05:14.05 | brailsmt | wow, you have good people skillz0rz |
| 05:14.27 | bucky_ | <bucky_> then your cd is borked |
| 05:14.39 | bucky_ | <statik> I doubt it. |
| 05:15.27 | statik | Who are you, bucky_ |
| 05:15.29 | statik | Do I know you? |
| 05:15.57 | bucky_ | <statik> The cdrom is old, so it takes forever to boot |
| 05:16.20 | statik | Whatever.. |
| 05:18.12 | brailsmt | yeah, bad cdroms are a common cause of problems like this... "select() isn't broken" |
| 05:19.27 | brailsmt | s/select()/cdrom |
| 05:19.52 | statik | Should I do a route like the doc says |
| 05:20.01 | statik | Or should I try a ifconfig -a now |
| 05:20.11 | brailsmt | try what the doc says... |
| 05:20.32 | statik | I just typed, "ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.20 broadcast 192.168.10.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:20.39 | statik | " |
| 05:21.38 | statik | Using this example |
| 05:21.45 | statik | # ifconfig $IFACE $IPNUM broadcast $BCAST netmask $NMASK |
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