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| 01:44.35 | hans | ibot, seen bbeattie? |
| 01:44.39 | | bbeattie <~bbeattie@cpe-66-1-180-69.ut.sprintbbd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 23h 37m 19s ago, saying: 'TimRiker: around?'. |
| 01:45.01 | zbbeattie | hello |
| 01:46.07 | hans | oh, what's the z for? |
| 01:46.38 | zbbeattie | I'm at SLLUG, so I'm on a zaurus |
| 01:46.59 | hans | ahh, zaurus. that's cool. |
| 01:47.00 | Bradipo_ | How's SLLUG going? |
| 01:47.41 | zbbeattie | anthony is presenting on BSD, so far a lot of SCO talk, and the presentationi is just starting |
| 01:48.13 | zbbeattie | 'hstiory of bsd slides'... |
| 01:48.23 | hans | my bro interviewed for the job you posted to plug today |
| 01:49.53 | Bradipo_ | I use OpenBSD. :-) |
| 01:50.38 | hans | levi: you can get mozilla-firebird (formerly known as phoenix) from unstable now |
| 01:50.38 | zbbeattie | Great :) .. I,m not the one doing the interviews. Matt Peterson needed it posted to PLUG... |
| 01:51.37 | zbbeattie | I'd be working with him a bit though. I'm the one who would fix some of the bugs the testers find ,) |
| 01:52.21 | hans | cool. if he gets it you'll have to give him a hard time |
| 01:52.38 | hans | in a bigbrotherly sort of way |
| 01:52.45 | hans | or bbeatily - that rhymes close enough |
| 01:53.09 | zbbeattie | ,) I hope not.... that means I'm not doing my job ,) |
| 01:53.38 | zbbeattie | :) |
| 01:53.47 | hans | :) |
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| 13:49.57 | hans | anyone know of a good network monitor for windows? |
| 13:50.08 | hans | i.e. along the lines of the network traffic thing in gkrellm |
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| 14:40.21 | hans | http://www.harktheherald.com/article.php?sid=84002&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 14:40.28 | hans | sigh |
| 14:56.16 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 14:56.19 | Jayce^ | quoted evan. |
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| 15:04.17 | Mecworks | Howdy everyone.... |
| 15:06.57 | levi | Yo. |
| 15:07.33 | Jayce^ | hey |
| 15:36.28 | levi | Aren't we a talkative bunch this morning. |
| 15:42.41 | Bradipo | No |
| 15:47.31 | hans | hi |
| 15:49.29 | Mecworks | hey |
| 15:50.36 | Mecworks | The sllug meeting was pretty cool The topic wasn't the interesting part for me. A lot of people from Caldera were there - Edo, John Terpstra, Drdavis, Doug Beattie, Jim Freeman, Curtis Viet etc. We discussed the SCO thing quite a bit. Mostly after the meeting in the parking lot. The BSD install was as eciting as a BSD install can get. |
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| 15:56.21 | Bradipo | That would have been interesting. |
| 15:56.26 | Bradipo | What were the key points in the discussion? |
| 15:59.55 | Mecworks | can't say - Ive signed an NDA.... 8^) j/k |
| 16:00.16 | Mecworks | There were a lot of points brought up. I'd have to talk in person though. |
| 16:01.05 | Bradipo | Wouldn't want you to get in trouble by breaking an NDA. :-) |
| 16:01.31 | Mecworks | Here's a couple cut from another conversation I'm in: Another problem is that SCO has, over the years let-go much of their best talent. In doing so, they also let go many of the people that actualy know what has happened with the development of their UNIXes and the contributions they have given to Linux over the years. Most ironic is the fact that the "infringing code" in large part is in the SMP support in the kernel. Cal |
| 16:01.31 | Mecworks | dera funded the initial SMP support by providing Allan COX with SMP hardware to do the development. Jfree and one other person were resposible for arranging that. There are many more instances. ie, the linux ABI (succsessor to IBCS2) was funded by Caldera. |
| 16:03.55 | Mecworks | Many of the people at the meeting last night know intimately the history and details regarding the contributions to both the UNIXes and Linux. People who worked for Novell, Unisys, Caldera, SCO (both before the merger and after) were there. |
| 16:04.09 | Bradipo | Can't argue with letting go of talent, that's definitely true. |
| 16:06.04 | levi | "We don't need talent, we have Intellectual Property!" |
| 16:06.53 | Bradipo | Heh, I have a meeting to run to... |
| 16:10.17 | Mecworks | se ya |
| 16:13.43 | Jayce^ | dang, wish I'd been able to go last night.. |
| 16:13.51 | Jayce^ | now, if we could get more of those guys to come to plug |
| 16:19.42 | Mecworks | Yea. It was pretty cool. All past SCO/Caldera guys that were there except for myself and one other live in SLC which is probably why they don't attent PLUG... |
| 16:20.21 | Mecworks | Oh yea, there's TimRiker who now has a very long commute to get the PLUG meetings... 8^) |
| 16:20.38 | Jayce^ | just a little. |
| 16:20.58 | Jayce^ | anybody got something they want to talk about at plug? we need a topic for june, and I'll be gone.. |
| 16:24.20 | hans | Jayce^: when am I? july? |
| 16:24.24 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:24.34 | Jayce^ | you said you needed the time to get everything ready |
| 16:24.38 | Jayce^ | finished :) |
| 16:24.49 | hans | i did, eh? ok, cool. :) |
| 16:24.58 | Jayce^ | speaking of which, have you looked at that mail::audit perl stuff I posted on the list yesterday? |
| 16:25.20 | Jayce^ | might go well with what you are doing, and if you don't want to use it, I could talk about it during your presentation.. |
| 16:28.21 | hans | hmm. instead of procmail write a perl script, huh? sounds great if one is a perl hacker but for the rest of them is it really easier than procmail? |
| 16:29.38 | levi | bah, perl |
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| 16:31.16 | hans | i'd rather switch to maildrop than writing perl scripts. procmail is cryptic but not as bad as, say, sendmail config.. and it's not so bad really. |
| 16:31.38 | hans | maildrop is worth a look, though |
| 16:37.30 | Jayce^ | haven't tried it.. |
| 16:40.10 | TimRiker | Mecworks: oh, crap. did I miss the meeting? ;-) |
| 16:43.05 | TimRiker | Mecworks: sounds like an interesting parking lot conversation. Those that no longer work there might want to post it on slashdot anonymously. ;-) |
| 17:06.09 | Mecworks | I think some are worried of being dragged into the law suit some how. And yes, I consider you "talent" that they let go... 8^) |
| 17:23.16 | hans | let's say I want to bypass all sanity and APIs and send a buffer as it is out on the wire (i.e. tell the ethernet driver to send this and it sends it verbatim) |
| 17:23.23 | hans | how would I go about that? |
| 18:32.43 | statik` | Hows everyone this morning? |
| 19:12.56 | hans | huh. that's funny. I don't have permissions to my display and can't start new x programs |
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| 19:35.49 | hans | so I don't suppose anyone wants to lend me their laptop for NGS... ? :) |
| 19:37.20 | Jayce^ | when is it? |
| 19:40.10 | synic | any aterm users here? |
| 19:43.02 | statik` | Me |
| 19:46.17 | synic | what font names does it support? |
| 19:50.12 | synic | a, nevermind. I have found some perfect options... |
| 19:50.18 | synic | aterm +sb -sr -tr -fade 70 -sh 40 --geometry 92x25 -fg white --visualBell --cursorColor2 black -fn -*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1 |
| 19:52.42 | hans | next week |
| 19:52.50 | Jayce^ | the whole week? |
| 19:52.56 | hans | I leave early tuesday morning (well, I leave at 730a which means I have to be there quite early) |
| 19:53.00 | hans | i get back thurs. eve |
| 19:53.20 | Jayce^ | I might be able to loan you my old one then.. wont' use it much next week.. the week after I *have* to have it though |
| 19:53.34 | Jayce^ | and the battery really sucks on it (30 mins to maybe an hour) |
| 19:55.12 | Jayce^ | but if you are desparate :) |
| 20:01.18 | hans | i have at my disposal (i.e. family members) a laptop that has a broken screen and is battery-less, and a laptop with about an hour of battery and is a bit slow that I'd have to drive to Sandy for. So it figures yours is about halfway in between. :) |
| 20:01.58 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:02.06 | hans | no/small battery is ok, since I just need it for the presentation |
| 20:02.14 | Jayce^ | dont' think my wife would let me loan out her ibook... she barely let's me touch it.. |
| 20:02.33 | Jayce^ | running smgl... what would you use for presenting? |
| 20:02.55 | Jayce^ | audio works via alsa :) if you need that. |
| 20:03.02 | hans | would you be able to lend it to me say today or tomorrow? inlaws are doing stuff all weekend (thru monday) and I'd like to set things up good |
| 20:03.21 | Jayce^ | celeron 600, 192 mb ram.. |
| 20:03.23 | hans | Jayce^: does it have openoffice? probably that and/or gv, mozilla, gvim. ;-) |
| 20:03.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, I probably could.. but I'll be gone par t of the evening, and you'd have to come pick it up.. |
| 20:03.55 | hans | ok. i'll get back to you soon about it. |
| 20:03.57 | Jayce^ | it doesn't have OO at the moment (OO doesn't like the newest mozilla libs, and needs them for some reason) |
| 20:04.01 | synic | is there a way to specify what color highlighted text is in aterm? |
| 20:04.25 | Jayce^ | gv, mozilla, gvim are all there.. kpresenter too.. |
| 20:04.56 | hans | OO is so weird |
| 20:05.12 | Jayce^ | no kidding... |
| 20:05.20 | hans | update, I only would have to go to orem not sandy. maybe I'll go that route then |
| 20:05.23 | Jayce^ | you ever looked at it's build process.. nasty thing |
| 20:05.29 | Jayce^ | k |
| 20:08.34 | hans | i'm probably doing the slides in lyx anyway. not many slides and I need to be prepared for overheads (since I haven't heard whether there will be projectors or not) |
| 20:15.04 | hans | yell and scream |
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| 23:17.13 | Bonez39 | any Palm users here? |
| 23:17.41 | statik | Aye. |