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| 14:43.35 | hans | interesting news this morning. have you all heard? |
| 14:44.46 | hans | ~slashdot |
| 15:13.15 | levi | Yo. |
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| 15:41.43 | synic | So.. what do you all think about the SCO/Microsoft thing? |
| 15:42.39 | Jayce^ | sco/microsoft? |
| 15:43.46 | synic | Jayce^: Microsoft is apparently going to buy the license to the offending code in the SCO case. |
| 15:43.53 | synic | http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1007528.html |
| 15:46.38 | Jayce^ | I see, interesting.. |
| 15:46.46 | Jayce^ | well, not buying, but licensing.. |
| 15:47.49 | synic | yeah. |
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| 16:03.51 | Jayce^ | morning hans |
| 16:03.59 | hans | hello Jayce^ |
| 16:05.57 | Jayce^ | got one of my sparc boxes running debian now. |
| 16:07.50 | levi | Cool. :) |
| 16:09.02 | Jayce^ | need an scsi net adaptor to get the other one going.. |
| 16:09.26 | Jayce^ | didnt' get a chance to play with that other box hans, so still dont' have it working |
| 16:09.34 | levi | scsi net adapter? I've never heard of those. |
| 16:11.04 | hans | what's a scsi net adapter? |
| 16:14.14 | Jayce^ | the old suns have a funky scsi bus based net type, and you have to get an adaptor to twisted pair.. |
| 16:15.03 | levi | Are you sure it's not just an AUI-to-10baseT adapter? |
| 16:15.11 | hans | i have one if it's AUI you mean |
| 16:15.14 | Jayce^ | yeah, it is.. |
| 16:15.24 | levi | Ahh, okay. I've got a few of those kicking around somewhere. |
| 16:15.45 | levi | I don't think those have anything to do with SCSI. |
| 16:15.45 | Jayce^ | found out my sparc 20 is only a dual-50, not a dual-90 :( |
| 16:16.39 | hans | levi: this isn't my home box but it's debian (unstable). I can't seem to make the nice fonts appear. What are the basic steps for getting good fonts in debian? |
| 16:17.46 | synic | hans: I know this isn't a debian link, but it got me some nice looking fonts working in other distros: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-fonts.html |
| 16:17.56 | levi | hans: What programs are you using? The nice fonts only appear in GTK2 and QT3 apps and a few others that use XFT for fonts. |
| 16:18.44 | levi | If you're using mozilla or a mozilla-based browser, install mozilla-xft |
| 16:22.49 | hans | levi, i was expecting them in gvim and mozilla. looks like that was my problem. |
| 16:23.04 | hans | (path wasn't set to start the gtk2 gvim and didn't install mozilla-xft |
| 16:23.05 | hans | ) |
| 16:24.42 | levi | Aha. |
| 16:24.51 | levi | That'd do it. :) |
| 16:26.38 | hans | ok, now I have them in gvim and mozilla, but for some reason not phoenix (I do have them in phoenix at home) |
| 16:26.58 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:27.17 | levi | How did you install phoenix? I've never used it before. |
| 16:27.36 | levi | If it uses its own configuration files instead of mozilla's, you may have to modify a .js prefs file. |
| 16:27.46 | hans | I'll try moving the prefs dir |
| 16:27.59 | hans | it doesn't require installation - just untar into a subdir and run it |
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| 16:29.23 | hans | well, I take that back - at home I did install a .deb - maybe they patched it to use those fonts |
| 16:29.42 | levi | The pref for mozilla is in the /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref/ dir. It's in unix.js in the default dist, debian.js in the Debian package. |
| 16:30.24 | levi | So if you find the corresponding file in the phoenix dist, you should be able to turn them on. Assuming it's compiled in, that is. |
| 16:33.02 | hans | installing the deb did the trick. thanks for the help |
| 16:34.53 | levi | No prob. :) |
| 16:50.14 | Jayce^ | hrmm. I wonder how firebird/phoenix would run on my sparc |
| 16:50.43 | hans | Jayce^: it runs quite nicely on my 500mhz |
| 16:52.32 | Jayce^ | yeha, but this one is a dual 50mhz :) |
| 16:52.44 | hans | i bet links runs nicely on it |
| 16:53.04 | Jayce^ | exactly.. was wondering if phoenix would run at all.. |
| 16:53.09 | Jayce^ | got fluxbox on it.. |
| 16:54.02 | hans | firebird(phoenix) is probably your best bet for a gui browser |
| 16:58.18 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:58.32 | levi | Or you could ssh to another box with a decent processor and run your browser there. |
| 16:59.00 | Jayce^ | I'm not too worried about it, don't use it for much other than learning.. |
| 16:59.20 | Jayce^ | however, I did already get nfs going, because it only has a 1gb drive.. |
| 16:59.45 | levi | Man, 1gb is huge. ;) |
| 17:00.15 | levi | Not too long ago, I got a really minimal Debian system running on a 486sx/20 with a 100mb drive. |
| 17:01.12 | levi | Granted, it didn't do a whole lot, but it had enough text-based programs to be minimally useful. |
| 17:01.34 | Jayce^ | yeah.. I pondered if I'd even put x on this.. |
| 17:01.44 | Jayce^ | my other sparc has 2 512's.. |
| 17:02.30 | levi | I had X running via nfsroot on my ELCs. X is pretty much all they ran, and they logged in via xdm to my server box and acted as X terminals. |
| 17:04.31 | Bradipo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.35 | Bradipo | Interesting... |
| 17:05.00 | Jayce^ | so Bradipo, you seeing any money from microsoft :D |
| 17:05.29 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:05.31 | Bradipo | No. |
| 17:05.33 | Bradipo | Unfortunately. |
| 17:05.39 | Bradipo | I'm just a peon here. |
| 17:05.52 | Jayce^ | figured :) |
| 17:06.29 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 17:06.42 | Bradipo | ACtually, my monitor has a sticker that says: Powered by OpenLinux... |
| 17:06.48 | Bradipo | But I'm actually running OpenBSD. :-) |
| 17:06.51 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 17:07.04 | Bradipo | I don't have a system that runs Windows. |
| 17:07.18 | Bradipo | My laptop came with Windows, but I dual boot it with Linux. |
| 17:07.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, I have one box that can dual boot, and leaves just enough room for a game install to play with friends.. |
| 17:07.51 | Bradipo | I needed Windows for the lame classes at UVSC. |
| 17:08.03 | Jayce^ | oh I hate that kind of stuff.. |
| 17:08.06 | Jayce^ | use vmware :) |
| 17:08.19 | Bradipo | I could. |
| 17:08.25 | Bradipo | But my laptop is underpowered. |
| 17:21.22 | Jayce^ | *ring*.. "hello".. "Hi, I'm in your ward, and heard you were good with computers.. I'm having trouble with a laptop, do you know if it has a sound card?..." |
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| 17:25.00 | Mecworks | howdy... |
| 17:25.17 | Bradipo | Hello. |
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| 17:26.40 | Jayce^ | grr.. why does debian install xdm in runlevel 2?? |
| 17:27.22 | brailsmt | see, debian doesn't rule ;) |
| 17:27.41 | Bradipo | Because Debian doesn't use runlevels like other distros. :-) |
| 17:29.45 | Jayce^ | yeah, but it take FOREVER to start X on a dual 50mhz.. and it keeps popping back into xdm as I try and remove it.. |
| 17:30.58 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:31.13 | Jayce^ | and I dont' have ssh or anything on here yet, so I can't login remotely.. |
| 17:31.21 | Bradipo | boot: linux init=/bin/sh |
| 17:32.04 | Bradipo | That will boot the ``linux'' kernel in lilo and start /bin/sh, bypassing all system initialization. |
| 17:32.14 | Bradipo | You can then remount / read-write and make modifications as needed. |
| 17:32.17 | Jayce^ | s/lilo/silo/ and does it work? |
| 17:32.22 | Bradipo | Then, remount it read-only. |
| 17:32.43 | Bradipo | Never used silo, but you should still be able to pass the init option. |
| 17:33.02 | Jayce^ | well, think I got rid of it finally, rebooting.. |
| 17:33.08 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:33.12 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 18:04.48 | hans | wait a sec, debian does rule. :) so they don't use runlevels like redhat by default... it's not hard to change runlevels anyway |
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| 18:51.26 | hans | ok, any procmail gurus? |
| 18:52.13 | hans | nevermind, I guess it helps to include the rc file in question. |
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| 21:42.45 | synic | qnx huh... |
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| 22:20.10 | Bradipo | Who's the pluglist moderator? |
| 22:27.36 | Jayce^ | not moderator's persey.. |
| 22:27.48 | Jayce^ | but I'm in charge, and mike runs it. |
| 22:28.58 | Bradipo | Well, what if I am not subscribed to the list and then send a post? |
| 22:29.05 | Bradipo | Doesn't it get forwarded to the moderator? |
| 22:29.12 | Jayce^ | ahh, mike gets those right now. |
| 22:29.16 | Bradipo | Ok. |
| 22:29.21 | Bradipo | That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. |
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