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| 14:55.00 | Mecworks | buenos dias... |
| 14:55.08 | Mecworks | gutten morgen |
| 14:55.38 | Jayce^ | bom dia |
| 14:59.21 | levi_ | Yo. :) |
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| 15:29.52 | Bradipo | Has anyone ever tunnelled FTP through SSH? |
| 15:29.58 | Bradipo | Successfully... |
| 15:31.19 | tensai | yes, sorta. I used pppd to set up a virtual interface and everything worked fine with that |
| 15:32.12 | tensai | are you trying passive mode? |
| 15:55.29 | Bradipo | Heh, well without pppd. |
| 15:55.35 | Bradipo | Neither mode works. |
| 15:56.03 | Bradipo | PASSIVE will have the server open up a port, but that port will be inaccessible to the client because the client has to go through the tunnel. |
| 15:56.56 | Bradipo | Not only that, the FTP server will send a PORT command that uses it's own IP address which also wouldn't work because it needs to go through localhost. |
| 15:57.36 | Bradipo | So, what SSH really should do is proxy the connection and convert the PORT command to a localhost address and setup a new tunnel on a port that it gives the client. |
| 16:04.21 | tensai | Ah, right. That would make it not work. |
| 16:04.42 | tensai | You probably need an ftp proxy. Can you install anything on the ssh server? |
| 16:05.25 | tensai | you could use squid, or I found this one which is just an ftp proxy: http://www.suse.de/en/whitepapers/proxy_suite/ |
| 16:06.53 | Bradipo | Well, there is a proxy... |
| 16:06.55 | tensai | or here's another: http://www.ftpproxy.org/index.html |
| 16:07.05 | Bradipo | But how would I use that in conjunction with SSH tunnels... |
| 16:07.22 | Bradipo | Basically, there is an internal FTP server that they want access too. |
| 16:07.28 | Bradipo | s/too/to/ |
| 16:07.37 | tensai | forward the proxy port. -L 8080:localhost:8080 |
| 16:07.49 | tensai | or s/localhost/ftp-server/ |
| 16:08.03 | tensai | er, no. s/localhost/proxy-server/ |
| 16:08.05 | Bradipo | Hmm, I see. |
| 16:08.14 | tensai | I've done that many times. works great. |
| 16:08.19 | Bradipo | I'll have to try that. |
| 16:08.23 | Bradipo | Maybe that will work. |
| 16:08.30 | tensai | set up the browser/ftp client to use localhost:8080 as the proxy |
| 16:08.37 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 16:08.55 | Bradipo | Hmm... |
| 16:08.59 | Bradipo | Let me give that a shot. |
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| 17:34.58 | hans | heh, someone calling for a group statement to the media by local LUGs on SCO. where's mhalcrow when you need him? (texas) |
| 17:36.14 | Bradipo | Is that on /.? |
| 17:36.21 | hans | no, pluglist |
| 17:36.37 | Bradipo | Oh, I haven't had my morning dose of pluglist yet. :-) |
| 17:40.02 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 17:42.21 | hans | now, don't put him in a pickle. :) |
| 17:43.12 | Bradipo | Heh. |
| 17:43.20 | Bradipo | This is my opinion. |
| 17:43.48 | Bradipo | I don't think it's about hurting linux, or about simply removing code. |
| 17:43.57 | Bradipo | When you sign a contract, you are bound by it's terms, period. |
| 17:44.10 | Bradipo | The suite |
| 17:44.11 | Bradipo | is against IBM, not the inux community. |
| 17:44.43 | Bradipo | Removing the code won't remunerate for the possible damages from the broken contracts. |
| 17:44.48 | Bradipo | Of course, all this has to be proven in court. |
| 17:45.20 | hans | what about the statements about going after commercial linux users? |
| 17:45.32 | Bradipo | Hmm, that's a good question. |
| 17:45.57 | Bradipo | I don't see anyone going after ``users'' |
| 17:46.24 | Bradipo | But maybe I'm misunderstanding the statement... |
| 17:46.54 | Bradipo | And I only work in IT, so what do I know. :-) |
| 17:47.14 | hans | "As a consequence of Linuxs unrestricted authoring process, it is not |
| 17:47.14 | hans | surprising that Linux distributors do not warrant the legal integrity of |
| 17:47.14 | hans | the Linux code provided to customers. Therefore legal liability that may |
| 17:47.15 | hans | arise from the Linux development process may also rest with the end user." |
| 17:47.37 | hans | that doesn't say they're going after end users... yet |
| 17:47.42 | Bradipo | Good point. |
| 17:48.33 | Bradipo | Couldn't ``end users'' simply claim ignorance. |
| 17:48.35 | Bradipo | ? |
| 17:48.39 | Bradipo | I mean, really... |
| 17:50.33 | Bradipo | Who knows... |
| 17:51.06 | Bradipo | It sucks being in the middle of it all sometimes. |
| 17:52.57 | hans | well i'm not afraid of them coming after me. What are they going to take? my 'new' voodoo5 card? |
| 17:53.03 | Bradipo | Exactly. |
| 17:53.05 | hans | :-) |
| 17:53.21 | hans | and even if they stamped out linux, there's always bsd |
| 17:53.30 | hans | already lost that lawsuit. :) |
| 17:53.33 | Bradipo | I'm already using BSD. :-) |
| 17:54.13 | Bradipo | My desktop here at work is OpenBSD... |
| 17:54.23 | Bradipo | But I don't think it's going to stamp out linux. |
| 17:54.32 | Bradipo | People are going to continue to use it. |
| 17:54.45 | Bradipo | Once the offending pieces of code are identified, they can be removed easily I'm sure. |
| 18:03.51 | Bradipo | Anyway, this is all my own opinion off the record. :-) |
| 18:04.34 | levi | I haven't even been following the story. |
| 18:04.42 | levi | Sounds like a bit of a mess, though. |
| 18:04.43 | Bradipo | Me either really. |
| 18:05.19 | Bradipo | It's kind of funny to see all the threats on slashdot though. |
| 18:05.25 | hans | a good read is ESR's rebuttal |
| 18:05.41 | Bradipo | Which one? |
| 18:05.47 | Bradipo | The one about the DDoS? |
| 18:06.06 | hans | no, it's a long one |
| 18:06.17 | Bradipo | Hmm, I might have seen it. |
| 18:06.31 | Bradipo | Sometimes ESR has good things to say, but sometimes I think he oversteps his bounds. |
| 18:07.03 | levi | I haven't payed attention to him or RMS in ages. |
| 18:07.06 | Bradipo | Do you have a link for the rebuttal? |
| 18:08.08 | hans | looking |
| 18:08.27 | hans | it's a 'position paper' |
| 18:08.30 | hans | http://opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html |
| 18:09.05 | hans | pretty good, but take it with as much salt as you do anything ESR (I personally like him most of all the bigwigs) |
| 18:09.58 | Bradipo | Me too I think. |
| 18:10.00 | levi | Hmm, upgraded my Debian mozilla, I wonder if it will stop crashing now. |
| 18:10.07 | Bradipo | He's out there sometimes, but sometimes he has good things to say. |
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| 19:56.28 | Jayce^ | byron... how's it going? |
| 19:58.02 | Jayce^ | how's the hpux running? |
| 19:59.44 | byron | well, the update to unstable kill nvi and vim |
| 20:00.13 | Jayce^ | that's no good... |
| 20:00.22 | Jayce^ | a box w/o vim just isn't a usable box.. |
| 20:01.07 | byron | that's what i say |
| 20:01.15 | byron | oh well, i guess it'll be testing for me |
| 20:01.28 | byron | what time are you going to the installfest tomorrow? |
| 20:01.29 | Jayce^ | heh.. just be ready to help get my sparcs going tomorrow.. |
| 20:01.44 | Jayce^ | probably early.. I'd like to be able to leave in time to make it to a paintball war.. |
| 20:02.28 | Jayce^ | what's the closest parking to the installfest? |
| 20:02.59 | byron | there is a huge faculty lot right next to the building... let me find a map |
| 20:03.52 | Jayce^ | hehe.. maybe I should bring some smgl disks to help people out :P |
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| 22:10.40 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 22:11.23 | Bradipo | Hello. |
| 22:14.01 | levi | Yo. |
| 22:14.53 | Bonez39 | hi levi...how do you use du to list just the directories off /..with human readable size? I want to get a summary, size of each directory |
| 22:15.20 | Bonez39 | does that make sense? I think it's > du /* -(here's where I don't know what to put, to get the listing desired) |
| 22:15.53 | levi | -h gives the human-readable size |
| 22:17.01 | levi | And -s gives just the summary of each argument |
| 22:25.15 | Bonez39 | let me try it... |
| 22:27.04 | Bonez39 | is there any way to exclude mounted drives? drives that aren't mounted at boot time? |
| 22:29.48 | levi | Yeah, with -x |
| 22:30.04 | Bonez39 | levi: here's what happens..I issue > du /* -sh and it lists several mounted directories..and just grinds and grinds..the hdd...taking forever... |
| 22:32.50 | Bonez39 | how important is xemacs, and associated files? isn't that an editor? |
| 22:32.57 | Bonez39 | I have never invoked xemacs.. |
| 22:35.25 | levi | -x will cause it to only check the current filesystem, not mounted ones. |
| 22:35.40 | Bonez39 | ok..... |
| 22:35.58 | Bonez39 | so > du /* -shx should do the trick.... |
| 22:35.59 | levi | So, du -xsh /* |
| 22:39.01 | Bonez39 | thanks.. |
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| 22:45.57 | hans | levi: you around? my fonts are messed up |
| 22:47.03 | levi | I'm here, yup. |
| 22:47.08 | levi | How are they messed up? |
| 22:47.49 | hans | well, I had uninstalled gsfonts-x11 because of what I read in DWN, but then X wouldn't start (very strange) |
| 22:48.12 | hans | I wasn't up to debugging X so I reinstalled them, but now all the antialiased fonts are huge |
| 22:48.26 | hans | i.e. gaim, phoenix (mozilla) |
| 22:50.48 | hans | i've never messed with fonts, other than installing all the packages that look like they might have fonts in them. ;-) |
| 22:50.54 | levi | Hmm. Check to see if the X server is being started at a strange dpi. |
| 22:51.37 | levi | Also, what fonts are being used by Gnome apps? |
| 22:51.46 | hans | how do I check that? |
| 22:51.59 | Bradipo | Why does UVSC's DNS suck so much: http://www.DNSstuff.com/tools/dnstime.ch?name=uvsc.edu&type=SOA |
| 22:52.02 | Bradipo | LOL |
| 22:52.09 | levi | Check the line in your xdm/gdm/kdm/whatever that starts the X server, see if it's got a -dpi line. |
| 22:52.20 | brailsmt | because uvsc is a windows shop? |
| 22:52.50 | Bradipo | Bzzt, wrong. |
| 22:52.57 | Bradipo | It's because UVSC is a Netware shop. ;-) |
| 22:53.07 | Bradipo | Their name servers run on Netware. |
| 22:53.07 | hans | no -dpi line (I'm using wdm, btw) |
| 22:53.25 | Bradipo | Well, at least their public ones. |
| 22:53.49 | Bradipo | Doesn't look like BYU fares any better at D- though. |
| 22:53.50 | hans | (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/ |
| 22:53.53 | hans | usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" |
| 22:54.37 | hans | nothing about DPI in /var/log/X... in fact, nothing much at all (must be quite unverbose) |
| 22:54.40 | levi | hans: Have you tried changing the fonts that the gnome apps use? Also, I generally comment out references in the FontPath to the font server and 100dpi fonts. |
| 22:54.52 | brailsmt | i took three cs classes from uvsc, not a single one was on linux, my db class used SQLServer, the C++ class used borland c++ builder (*barf*), and the java one required pass-off on windows machines... |
| 22:55.09 | Bradipo | Yeah, I know what you mean. |
| 22:55.33 | Bradipo | I am still in the CS major there but kind of got turned off when I found out the remainder of the classes are in Windows. |
| 22:55.38 | hans | levi: I don't know how to change the fonts for gnome apps |
| 22:56.05 | brailsmt | my most fond memory of windows was using fdisk to make it a linux partition... :) |
| 22:56.21 | Bradipo | If I were to judge a school by it's DNS, U of U would win. |
| 22:56.22 | levi | hans: Generally you do it through the gnome control panel. |
| 22:56.25 | Bradipo | Maybe I should transfer up there... |
| 22:56.39 | brailsmt | u of u cs dept is good |
| 22:56.45 | Bradipo | Yeah, that's what I hear. |
| 22:57.07 | brailsmt | has more recognition than byu's cs dept |
| 22:57.25 | brailsmt | i have never gone to u of u, though so I cant compare it with byu's cs dept... |
| 22:57.28 | levi | I need to decide at some point which local school I want to finish my degree at. |
| 22:57.46 | brailsmt | levi: stevens-henegar... |
| 22:57.47 | brailsmt | ;) |
| 22:57.54 | levi | brailsmt: Ew. |
| 22:58.16 | levi | brailsmt: Though, a co-worker/friend of mine is about to graduate from there. |
| 22:59.26 | brailsmt | did you guys know that DeVry offers graduate degrees... :) |
| 23:00.21 | levi | Yes, but then you have a graduate degree from DeVry and you're out some time and money. |
| 23:01.13 | brailsmt | i figure, i will get an MS from DeVry, then get a PhD from Stanford, or MIT... :) |
| 23:01.40 | brailsmt | or something like that... |
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| 23:03.20 | levi | Uh, yeah. :) |
| 23:05.54 | brailsmt | Finished in 0.06890299999999999 seconds. |
| 23:05.59 | brailsmt | such precision... |
| 23:06.02 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:12.29 | hans | levi: I commented out the local font server and the 100dpi fonts and restarted. |
| 23:12.54 | hans | now they're plenty small - perhaps too small. gkrellm for example has smaller fonts now |
| 23:14.04 | hans | my monitor is 19 inches - would 75 dpi be more appropriate? |
| 23:14.31 | hans | i mean the other way around |
| 23:14.45 | hans | i'll try and see |
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| 23:36.02 | levi | hans: Any luck? |
| 23:36.36 | hans | nah. it looks the same except for the fonts in my titlebars which are even uglier. at work I have a theme that uses fixed in the titlebar and I quite like it so I'm going to switch to that anyway |
| 23:36.42 | hans | but at least things aren't huge |
| 23:37.09 | levi | Hmm. You just need to be able to pick your fonts instead of using defaults, which apparently got screwed up. |
| 23:37.29 | levi | This is why I don't install all the font packages. There are so many of them that look like utter crap. |
| 23:38.12 | hans | which do you have? |
| 23:40.52 | levi | I have xfonts-scalable, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-base, msttcorefonts, and ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 23:41.42 | levi | I'd like to get rid of xfonts-scalable and replace the ones that I like from it with ttf fonts from a Windows box or something. |
| 23:44.03 | hans | what are the -transcoded fonts? |
| 23:50.21 | levi | Beats me. |