| 00:00.03 | levi | Anyway, I've got to get going. |
| 00:08.41 | hans | flip. how do I change root's shell if it is invalid? |
| 00:24.49 | brailsmt | can't you supply a command to be run with su? |
| 00:25.51 | brailsmt | you could do that and give it a sed command to change the shell in roots enviroment... |
| 00:30.29 | hans | yeah but it needs a shell |
| 00:30.47 | hans | google says to boot off of rescue media and change it |
| 00:31.12 | hans | but (on qnx) the only 'rescue' media I have seems to go to great lengths to hide important system files like /etc/passwd |
| 00:31.28 | hans | i guess it makes sense - you can't use their installation cds to crack other people's systems. |
| 00:33.27 | brailsmt | you could use gentoo's livecd |
| 00:33.58 | brailsmt | or knoppix, but i have yet to figure out knoppix for anything but casual showmanship... |
| 00:34.33 | hans | last I checked qnx4 filesystem support was read-only (or write was highly experimental) |
| 00:34.45 | hans | i just installed it - i won't lose anything with a new install (which takes 15 mintues) |
| 00:34.48 | brailsmt | the livecd is small, only about 200MB and with an on-campus connextion that is a 2 second download? |
| 00:34.51 | brailsmt | :) |
| 00:36.00 | brailsmt | speakingof knoppix, i have an image that needs to get burned laying around wasting hdd space... |
| 00:36.26 | hans | man I'd rather waste hdd space then have to wait for it to d/l next time I need it. :) |
| 00:46.32 | brailsmt | mmmm... Papa Murphy's pizza ...mmmm |
| 00:47.01 | brailsmt | Papa Murphy's gives a $3 discout with a BYU student ID :) |
| 00:52.21 | hans | really? i love papa murphy |
| 00:54.20 | brailsmt | yeah, on a large or family size one topping pizza |
| 00:56.54 | hans | the how much after rebate? |
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| 01:07.03 | Bradipo_ | What time is PLUG? |
| 01:12.41 | hans | 7:30 |
| 01:12.52 | brailsmt | 5.00 for a large peppeeroni |
| 01:17.03 | Bradipo_ | From where? |
| 01:17.15 | Bradipo_ | 5 buck pizza? |
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| 01:17.52 | Bradipo_ | Does CEDO have wireless or ethernet? |
| 01:17.53 | brailsmt | papa murphy's with a byu id |
| 01:17.59 | Bradipo_ | Ahh, not bad. |
| 01:18.07 | Bradipo_ | I'll have to try that---is it all locations? |
| 01:18.36 | brailsmt | at least in the one by university mall and the one by provo owne centre... |
| 01:18.52 | Bradipo_ | What is the topic for PLUG? |
| 01:19.02 | Bradipo_ | Is it still sound? |
| 01:19.13 | brailsmt | Bradipo_: actually, I thought it was pretty good... mmmmm... |
| 01:19.18 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:19.39 | Bradipo_ | Sounds good to mee. |
| 01:19.57 | hans | Bradipo_: still sound. they have wireless |
| 01:20.06 | Bradipo_ | Who is going? |
| 01:20.16 | Bradipo_ | I guess he's on his way... |
| 01:20.22 | Bradipo_ | I only live a couple blocks from CEDO. |
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| 02:07.20 | bbeattie | TimRiker: around? |
| 03:02.06 | brailsmt | discovery channel has some cool shows |
| 03:06.50 | TimRiker | missed bbeattie I guess |
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| 05:18.04 | Jayce^ | Bradipo_: you should have come.. was good |
| 05:20.41 | Bradipo_ | I did come. |
| 05:20.45 | Bradipo_ | You mean to PLUG? |
| 05:20.54 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 05:20.58 | Bradipo_ | Yeah, I was there... |
| 05:21.00 | Jayce^ | wait, was that you sitting next to me?? |
| 05:21.03 | Bradipo_ | The only SCO guy there. |
| 05:21.05 | Jayce^ | dang. .didnt' even realize it.. |
| 05:21.08 | Bradipo_ | Heh!!! |
| 05:21.13 | Bradipo_ | I didn't realize either. |
| 05:21.16 | Jayce^ | lol.. should have guessed.. |
| 05:21.32 | Bradipo_ | I only recognized a couple people. |
| 05:22.03 | Jayce^ | figures, there's been a pretty big shift recently on who attends meetings.. |
| 05:22.19 | Bradipo_ | Really? |
| 05:22.27 | Bradipo_ | This was my first time in 3 years. |
| 05:22.43 | Bradipo_ | I came to PLUG 3 years ago (maybe more). |
| 05:22.51 | Bradipo_ | But I've been busy. |
| 05:23.20 | Jayce^ | dont' we all get that way.. |
| 05:23.27 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 05:23.32 | Bradipo_ | So, were you sitting next to me? |
| 05:23.44 | Jayce^ | yeah, on your left.. |
| 05:23.54 | Bradipo_ | Heh, figured. |
| 05:24.00 | Bradipo_ | I was about to ask if Jayce was there... |
| 05:24.02 | Bradipo_ | lol |
| 05:24.02 | Jayce^ | oh? the *really* geeky one.. |
| 05:24.04 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 05:25.01 | Bradipo_ | Which geeky one? |
| 05:25.06 | Jayce^ | you saw hans to, probably recognized him since his name was said enough times.. |
| 05:25.10 | Bradipo_ | I don't think I've seen a room more full of geeks... :-) |
| 05:25.13 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 05:25.19 | Bradipo_ | Well, I've met him before I think. |
| 05:26.07 | Jayce^ | neybar was a slacker, and didn't come tonight.. |
| 05:26.28 | Bradipo_ | Who else was there? |
| 05:26.43 | Bradipo_ | I know the names, just not the faces... |
| 05:26.54 | Jayce^ | nobody from here.. byron and stuart have come into irc a couple of times, but not much.. |
| 05:27.08 | Jayce^ | stuart jansen was in the back left corner of the room.. |
| 05:27.21 | Jayce^ | byron was sitting next to hans... |
| 05:27.41 | Jayce^ | art moore gave the presentation.. |
| 05:27.47 | Bradipo_ | Right. |
| 05:27.48 | Jayce^ | rob oldham was sitting on my left.. |
| 05:27.52 | Bradipo_ | I recognized Art too. |
| 05:27.57 | Bradipo_ | I've seen Rob before as well. |
| 05:28.03 | Jayce^ | jacob fugal (han's brother) was there.. |
| 05:28.13 | Bradipo_ | Oh, who was he? |
| 05:28.44 | Jayce^ | he sat kinda in the back.. I think he's hans' younger brother, not sure.. looks kinda like him. |
| 05:29.05 | Jayce^ | had several newer people.. |
| 05:29.30 | Jayce^ | kid with the white hair was in here the other day, called 'albino'.. apparently he's in the fslc, but is home for the summer.. |
| 05:29.36 | Bradipo_ | Actually, I've seen that guy that said he was a newbie. |
| 05:30.17 | Jayce^ | apparently, they were saying, uvsc just started a LUG again.. |
| 05:31.20 | Bradipo_ | Really? |
| 05:31.27 | Bradipo_ | I wonder who started it back up... |
| 05:31.29 | Jayce^ | that's what they were saying.. |
| 05:31.31 | Bradipo_ | I started one a couple years ago. |
| 05:31.43 | Bradipo_ | It lasted for a year and then fizzled. |
| 05:31.44 | Jayce^ | those two guys across from us apparently attend uvsc.. |
| 05:31.51 | Bradipo_ | Too many lugs in Utah Valley I guess. |
| 05:31.58 | Bradipo_ | Yeah, I recognized them from UVSC. |
| 05:32.01 | Jayce^ | hey, as long as we can get enough interest there to feed them to us :) |
| 05:33.53 | Bradipo_ | Yep. |
| 05:34.09 | Bradipo_ | I wish I knew where the old UVSCLUG server was... |
| 05:34.22 | Bradipo_ | s/was/is/ |
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| 05:38.46 | Bradipo_ | I think I might have to get a better tape player. |
| 05:39.59 | Jayce^ | hehe.. no good line out? |
| 05:43.35 | Bradipo_ | Doesn't even have one. |
| 05:43.42 | Bradipo_ | There isn't a line out. |
| 05:43.46 | Jayce^ | ouch |
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| 14:46.18 | hans | what's the difference between |
| 14:46.20 | hans | cc -shared -fPIC somefile.c -o somefile.so |
| 14:46.29 | hans | and |
| 14:46.32 | hans | cc -c somefile.c ; ld -shared somefile.o -o somefile.so |
| 14:46.37 | hans | ? |
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| 15:49.33 | Bradipo | Hello |
| 15:49.56 | Bradipo | Anyone know of a program that will index documents and make them available via HTTP? |
| 15:50.20 | Bradipo | By index I mean record all the words that appear in the document and make them available for searching. |
| 15:52.12 | levi | I thing ht://Dig does that |
| 15:52.20 | Bradipo | Ahh, yeah. |
| 15:52.28 | Bradipo | I had forgotten about that. |
| 15:53.07 | Bradipo | I wonder if it supports MS formats (or only text/plain) |
| 15:53.16 | levi | No idea. |
| 15:59.30 | hans | my cs240 program? :-) |
| 15:59.48 | Bradipo | Is that what you did for cs240? |
| 16:00.54 | hans | a web spider, yeah. |
| 16:01.21 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 16:02.13 | hans | but I wouldn't suggest using my or anyone else's cs240 program for real work |
| 16:02.14 | Bradipo | It looks like ht://Dig indexes websites, not filesystem. |
| 16:02.34 | hans | oh, filesystems? different insect |
| 16:02.38 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 16:02.57 | Bradipo | I want to index all the documents on a system and then make that searchable via HTTP |
| 16:03.03 | hans | Bradipo: did you end up going last night? |
| 16:03.05 | Bradipo | For ease of use, of course. |
| 16:03.08 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 16:03.12 | Bradipo | I was sitting next to Jayce. |
| 16:03.18 | hans | left or right? |
| 16:03.31 | Bradipo | Well, right (but from your angle it was left). |
| 16:03.47 | hans | ok, it's as I guessed. do you know who was on the other side of jayce? |
| 16:03.55 | Bradipo | Rob Oldham? |
| 16:04.12 | Bradipo | Not sure if I got his first name right. |
| 16:04.30 | hans | oh, ok. yeah, it's rob(ert) |
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| 16:05.28 | Bradipo | Maybe Tim knows... |
| 16:05.41 | Jayce^ | Bradipo: htdig does pdf's too I believe.. |
| 16:06.00 | Bradipo | But htdig indexes an already existing website (from what I can tell). |
| 16:06.23 | Bradipo | Or can it also index the files in the filesystem? |
| 16:06.51 | Jayce^ | not sure.. haven't used it in a long time.. |
| 16:07.31 | Bradipo | I'm reading through the documentation now... |
| 16:07.43 | Bradipo | But it looks like it indexes a website via HTTP calls. |
| 16:08.26 | Jayce^ | not sure if mnogosearch can do a filesystem, I'm actually pretty sure it only does http too |
| 16:08.51 | Jayce^ | no wait, htdig is used by kde for it's help files.. so it has to do them somehow. |
| 16:08.58 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 16:09.43 | levi | Aren't KDE's help files all html, though? |
| 16:09.58 | Jayce^ | thought they were docbook |
| 16:11.36 | levi | Ahh, so they are. |
| 16:11.58 | levi | The directory tree has them under a HTML directory, though, at least on my Debian system. |
| 16:12.29 | Jayce^ | probably a cached export.. |
| 16:21.57 | levi | Well, there weren't actually any HTML files in the directories I looked in, just docbook. Maybe I just hadn't viewed those help files, I dunno. |
| 16:45.41 | hans | anyone experienced with IPC (in the C/C++ world)? |
| 16:56.56 | levi | Depends on what sort of IPC you mean. |
| 16:57.29 | levi | I've used unix stream sockets for IPC in C. |
| 17:00.04 | hans | i'm trying to decide what IPC mechanism to use. i'd like it to behave like rpc. so I guess nfs-style rpc or some xml-based rpc would work. i think xml will be too slow, though. how fast (over lo) would nfs-style rpc be compared to, say, shared memory? |
| 17:00.16 | hans | or a pipe/FIFO? |
| 17:02.17 | levi | What are you using it for? |
| 17:12.23 | hans | modules: network mgr that talks ethernet (using libpcap), state mgr which does most of the thinking, and mod_php that gets state from the state mgr rather than us saving to disk and parsing every page refresh (which will be happening frequently) |
| 17:12.46 | hans | that's the idea anyway. the network mgr and state mgr could be the same process, but obviously not the php script. |
| 17:14.02 | levi | So, do you mostly want to make function calls or transfer streams of data between processes? |
| 17:14.20 | hans | mostly function calls |
| 17:14.49 | hans | i.e. the php will want to know the value of a state variable, and will call an accessor function call to get it. |
| 17:14.59 | levi | And there's going to be a lot of IPC between processes? |
| 17:15.04 | hans | yes |
| 17:15.31 | levi | I think mysql uses a unix stream socket with their own RPC protocol. |
| 17:15.45 | hans | the biggest load would be between net mgr and state mgr, which is why they will probably be the same process (different threads). but the php will be doing a lot too |
| 17:15.46 | levi | I've mostly used it as a data channel, haven't done a lot of RPC. |
| 17:16.50 | hans | i could whip up my own rpc over a pipe or fifo, but I'm wondering if shared memory might be a way to go |
| 17:17.40 | levi | Possibly, but I've never messed with it at all. |
| 17:18.34 | hans | 'aight. thanks |
| 17:19.21 | Jayce^ | hans: what's art's site? infinitybox.net? |
| 17:19.28 | hans | that's rigth |
| 17:19.43 | Jayce^ | doesnt' come up for me.. |
| 17:20.38 | Jayce^ | can't hit any of his dns servers |
| 17:20.42 | hans | nor me |
| 17:21.01 | hans | maybe he fell off the face of the earth. RIP |
| 17:21.12 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
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| 19:12.25 | byron | howdy all from the uug booth |
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| 19:20.58 | Jayce^ | how is it going down there? |
| 19:26.43 | Mecworks | booth for what? |
| 19:27.06 | Jayce^ | uug does promo booths from time to time.. |
| 19:27.32 | Mecworks | where? |
| 19:27.35 | Mecworks | on campus? |
| 19:27.51 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:28.59 | Mecworks | cool |
| 19:53.17 | hans | how do unix domain sockets compare to FIFOs in performance? |
| 20:15.42 | Mecworks | not sure, but I think sockets are faster as access of FIFOs is through the filesystem layer. |
| 20:45.32 | hans | dr. google seems to think that linux optimizes fifos away from the filesystem except for the opening. but I haven't seen anything definitive |
| 20:57.28 | levi | sockets work great as long as you don't deadlock the buffers. :) |
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| 23:29.18 | hans | what time is the lunar eclipse? |
| 23:29.59 | neybar | seems like it is around 10:15 or so |
| 23:31.15 | levi | It's supposed to be partially eclipsed when it rises. |
| 23:31.42 | levi | Around 8:30 or so. And the whole process is supposed to take several hours. |