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| 02:55.02 | hans | looky there, how does brailsmt fare? |
| 02:57.22 | brailsmt | 452 assignment is giving me troubles though.... |
| 02:57.33 | hans | what is it? |
| 02:57.53 | brailsmt | databases... |
| 02:58.02 | brailsmt | we have to query a bunc of data like "find the vendors that sell more than one computer (pc or laptop) faster than 1000MHz without using aggregate functions"... |
| 02:58.31 | brailsmt | so far I have a subquery that is just the union of the laptop and pc table with processor speeds over 1000 MHz, but the part i am having trouble with is the part about finding the venodrs that sell more than one of those... |
| 03:00.29 | hans | is this an SQL excercise, or programming? |
| 03:00.41 | brailsmt | sql |
| 03:02.11 | brailsmt | i can select the makers that make at least one computer over 1000MHz, but i don't know how to eliminate the vendors that only make one... |
| 03:08.30 | hans | i'm afraid my sql is too rusty |
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| 11:31.58 | Bonez39 | hello |
| 12:09.13 | Bonez39 | hmmm |
| 12:09.17 | Bonez39 | no one else on now? |
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| 12:25.50 | hans | hi Bonez39 |
| 12:26.11 | Bonez39 | ah, good morning..my friend.. |
| 12:26.44 | Bonez39 | if you wanted to check size of directories, would you use 'du -sh /*' to show that? |
| 12:27.39 | hans | i would |
| 12:28.06 | Bonez39 | cool.... |
| 12:28.51 | Bonez39 | my networking is still weird...can't get the network neighborhood to work...still trying to get samba/SWAT to share right...I have printer I want to share, from the linux box..to allow printing from the windows machine... |
| 12:33.58 | Bonez39 | I blow you away with my questions, eh? |
| 12:34.04 | hans | sometimes. ;-) |
| 12:34.15 | Bonez39 | sorry about that.... |
| 12:34.19 | hans | didn't we have network neighborhood working fine? |
| 12:34.30 | hans | no, I like hard questions - makes me think. keeps me sharp |
| 12:34.39 | hans | or at least moderately undull |
| 12:34.59 | Bonez39 | well, what it does..it can 'see' the machine on the other windows instance, but when I click on the name..it says'...can't find resource..or can't find that item.. |
| 12:35.26 | hans | hmm |
| 12:35.37 | Bonez39 | from each windows session, I can see the other machine...on linux have called this windows 'richard'..and on native win box..it's called 'seth'.... |
| 12:35.53 | Bonez39 | I think it's something with how I have network neighborhood setup.... |
| 12:36.13 | hans | have you tried putting \\seth\tmp or something like that in the location bar to try to get it directly? |
| 12:36.23 | Bonez39 | on linux box windows..which I don't think I had running when you were here..with win4lin..I have explicit values in the network setup for IP and all that.. |
| 12:36.50 | hans | and can you access the windows box from linux? |
| 12:36.56 | Bonez39 | I can see and read from the shared folders on my linux box...when accessing from win box...but still can't write to it..from the windows machine.. |
| 12:37.28 | Bonez39 | I can access winbox from linux...but only at command line..not through windows...despite the machine showing up in NETWORKNEIGHBORHOOD |
| 12:39.34 | hans | hmm. could be a setting in samba |
| 12:39.50 | hans | but if you can't get win4lin->win then it's likely a windows setting |
| 12:40.23 | hans | alas my approach to windows problems has always been poke around until it works. seems to work best since there's minimal logic applicable to windows tweaking. |
| 12:40.24 | Bonez39 | likely....I mean from linux it shares ok.... |
| 12:40.37 | Bonez39 | I'll keep poking.. |
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| 15:23.55 | Bradipo | Morning. |
| 15:37.23 | Derek_ | sorry, wasn't paying attention. Top of the morning to ya, Bradipo!!! |
| 15:43.11 | levi | Heya, Bradipo |
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| 17:12.36 | Bradipo | Getting close to lunch time... |
| 17:13.12 | brailsmt | how do I resolve "unresolved symbols" errors from depmod while running 'make modules_install'? I am trying to compile the 2.5.69 kernel and modules... |
| 17:13.30 | brailsmt | i have no clue how to fix it... |
| 17:13.59 | brailsmt | do i have to guess at which options in the kernel config add the correct symbols? |
| 17:15.56 | hans | <growl> |
| 17:16.06 | hans | that was my stomach... |
| 17:16.34 | hans | brailsmt: yeah - you need to have the right modules installed. |
| 17:16.43 | hans | what symbols are unresolved |
| 17:16.58 | brailsmt | but this is for a different kernel than I am running... |
| 17:17.07 | hans | I've had trouble getting rid of all the messages in a couple of cases - I think ALSA at one time and SiS framebuffer stuff |
| 17:17.20 | brailsmt | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.5.69-mm1/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko |
| 17:17.24 | brailsmt | depmod: mii_ethtool_sset |
| 17:17.27 | brailsmt | depmod: mii_link_ok |
| 17:17.29 | brailsmt | depmod: crc32_le |
| 17:17.30 | brailsmt | depmod: bitreverse |
| 17:17.31 | brailsmt | depmod: mii_ethtool_gset |
| 17:17.34 | brailsmt | depmod: generic_mii_ioctl |
| 17:17.36 | brailsmt | depmod: mii_nway_restart |
| 17:18.42 | hans | sounds like that driver hs problems |
| 17:18.46 | hans | do you use it? |
| 17:19.02 | hans | is there an mii driver or something? |
| 17:19.29 | hans | grep -r mii_link_ok /usr/src/linux <-- a good start. :) |
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| 17:53.57 | brailsmt | i think i found the problem... I didn't include CONFIG_MII... |
| 17:54.12 | brailsmt | i hope that fixes all the depmod probs... |
| 17:55.01 | hans | bet it does |
| 17:55.14 | hans | brailsmt: remember the guifont advice? well I'm using it now |
| 17:55.39 | levi | guifont advice? |
| 17:55.39 | hans | on boxes with xft I get Luxi Mono (antialiased) and otherwise I get fixed |
| 17:56.01 | brailsmt | you want new ideas? read old ML postings :) |
| 17:56.01 | hans | from the vim mailing list many moons ago - before we knew who eachother was |
| 17:56.40 | hans | the advice was - you can specify more than one guifont setting (in .vimrc) and the last one will be the one in effect. |
| 17:56.42 | brailsmt | that is a butchered quote which is usually "For new ideas, read old books" |
| 17:57.01 | hans | but if the last one is not found (there will be an error), naturally the last valid one works |
| 17:57.22 | levi | Hmm. Where did you get Luxi Mono? I don't seem to have it. |
| 17:57.36 | hans | shrug |
| 17:57.44 | hans | just on these mandrake boxes |
| 17:58.18 | hans | also is on my debian box |
| 17:58.31 | hans | but I have just about every font package I could see installed, so I can't help there. ;) |
| 17:59.07 | brailsmt | i have installed all that I could see as well... |
| 17:59.25 | levi | I've installed as few as possible, because so many are crap. |
| 17:59.47 | hans | i don't mess with fonts often enough to dig through and find the good ones |
| 17:59.51 | levi | Sometimes a web page will ask for a font that's crap on my box, and then I get crap on my screen. That's no good. :) |
| 18:00.11 | brailsmt | emerge -s fonts |
| 18:00.23 | hans | xfonts-scalable-nonfree, ttf-xfree86-nonfree packages, it looks like, have luxi mono |
| 18:00.23 | brailsmt | :) |
| 18:00.59 | levi | Oh well. I like the fonts I've got set up now anyway. |
| 18:01.22 | hans | fugalh@falcon:~$ dpkg -S luximr.ttf |
| 18:01.22 | hans | xfonts-scalable-nonfree: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/xfree86-nonfree/luximr.ttf |
| 18:01.23 | hans | ttf-xfree86-nonfree: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-xfree86-nonfree/luximr.ttf |
| 18:01.59 | brailsmt | dreamer.nitro.dk/linux/lfp -- for the linux font project |
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| 18:03.55 | levi | Hmm, no screenshots. Don't feel like installing fonts with no screenshots. |
| 18:06.51 | brailsmt | almost got rid of my depmod problems... |
| 18:12.03 | hans | levi: here's a screenshot :) http://hans.fugal.net/vim_screenshot.png |
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| 19:14.08 | levi | hans: That screenshot looks pretty nice. |
| 19:29.11 | levi | I just had to move my mouse due to the fact that the little mouse platform on my keyboard tray broke off. |
| 19:29.25 | levi | This is a non-trivial adjustment. :) |
| 19:29.55 | hans | :) |
| 20:03.39 | Mecworks | ibot: convert 3 barleycorns to inches |
| 20:04.06 | Mecworks | ibot: convert 100 barleycorns to lightyears |
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| 20:46.14 | brailsmt | anyone know what module/kernel option includes the crc32_le symbol? |
| 20:52.24 | Bonez39 | anyone: I am using samba to share a printer..from linux machine..want to print to it from windows machine on network.. |
| 20:52.41 | Bonez39 | I have enetered every password I know...for either machine..and still it rejects them all |
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| 22:55.04 | hans | i'm still struggling with that pty issue. |
| 22:55.06 | hans | $ grep -i pty /boot/config-2.4.20 |
| 22:55.06 | hans | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y |
| 22:55.06 | hans | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 |
| 22:55.28 | hans | so the number shouldn't be an issue |
| 22:59.04 | brailsmt | i think i solved my crc32_le issue... |
| 22:59.19 | brailsmt | i just used a different patchset on a vanilla kernel :) |
| 23:07.42 | levi | hans: Do you have a /dev/pts directory? |
| 23:08.09 | hans | yes |
| 23:08.16 | hans | $ ls -ld /dev/pts |
| 23:08.16 | hans | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 14 2001 /dev/pts |
| 23:08.36 | levi | Is there stuff in it? |
| 23:08.54 | hans | nope |
| 23:08.55 | hans | nothing |
| 23:09.09 | levi | That seems to be a problem. |
| 23:09.43 | hans | doesn't seem pretty, does it? |
| 23:10.31 | levi | Yeah, hmm. |
| 23:10.32 | hans | (I'm still trying to figure out just what a pty is and what it does) |
| 23:10.45 | levi | pty = pseudo terminal |
| 23:10.58 | Bradipo | ls -ld /dev/pts will only ever show the directory name, not the contents... |
| 23:11.01 | Bradipo | Try: ls -l /dev/pts |
| 23:11.29 | hans | $ ls -l /dev/pts |
| 23:11.29 | hans | total 0 |
| 23:11.42 | Bradipo | Heh. |
| 23:11.47 | hans | :) |
| 23:11.59 | Bradipo | Is devpts mounted? |
| 23:12.08 | hans | nope |
| 23:12.13 | Bradipo | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 23:12.35 | Bradipo | Try mounting it; this is from my fstab: devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 |
| 23:12.42 | hans | the devfs docs said that devpts can cause problems with devfs. but I'll try |
| 23:12.55 | Bradipo | Are you using devfs? |
| 23:12.58 | hans | yeah |
| 23:13.33 | hans | don't even have devpts in the kernel |
| 23:14.19 | hans | levi: I knew what the acronym was, but I still don't know what it really does |
| 23:14.21 | levi | Hrm. I'm not using devfs. |
| 23:15.11 | Bradipo | I'm not using devfs either. |
| 23:16.11 | levi | hans: Well, there's a kernel data structure for a tty that keeps track of all sorts of terminal attributes and stuff that you need to talk to a real tty. The pty thing lets you create virtual ones on the fly so you can interface to them with the same ioctls and whatnot that you would with a real serial tty. |
| 23:16.31 | hans | i see |
| 23:17.33 | levi | I'm not sure how you're using your system without any ptys. |
| 23:17.44 | Bradipo | Maybe he's on the console... |
| 23:17.53 | hans | hmm. from Configure.help for CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS: You should say Y here if you said Y to "Unix98 PTY support" above. |
| 23:17.56 | levi | Ahh. |
| 23:17.59 | hans | I have UNIX98 PTY support it seems |
| 23:18.07 | hans | but not devpts support |
| 23:18.18 | hans | levi: I have plenty of /dev/ttyp* |
| 23:18.22 | levi | hans: Type 'tty' at a prompt, what's it say? |
| 23:18.29 | hans | $ tty |
| 23:18.30 | hans | /dev/ttyp0 |
| 23:18.38 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 23:18.48 | levi | What is it that's barfing on you? |
| 23:19.09 | hans | i can open about 6 xterms, and then if I try to do any more I get |
| 23:19.18 | levi | Oh, yeah. ls /dev/ttyp* |
| 23:19.22 | hans | xterm: unable to access pty device: No such file or directory |
| 23:19.23 | levi | That's how many xterms you can open. :) |
| 23:19.58 | levi | The Unix98 PTY support doesn't work without devpts, AFAIK. |
| 23:20.04 | hans | $ ls /dev/ttyp* | wc -l |
| 23:20.05 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.08 | hans | seems low |
| 23:20.22 | levi | That's because that's just backup. |
| 23:20.28 | levi | In case devpts doesn't get mounted. |
| 23:20.34 | hans | hmm. |
| 23:21.04 | levi | You could probably mknod more of them. But isn't devfs supposed to handle stuff in your /dev/ directory? |
| 23:21.17 | levi | I know very little about devfs. |
| 23:21.23 | hans | yeah |
| 23:22.00 | levi | The whole devfs thing never seemed integrated enough to any distro to be very useful, though it does sound like a good idea in theory. |
| 23:22.49 | hans | hmm. i'm beginning to think it might be related to having unix98 pty enabled in the kernel (and not devpts) |
| 23:22.59 | hans | devfs should be taking care of them |
| 23:23.15 | hans | I do notice that I'm missing /dev/ttyp6 - perhaps it got lost. I'll try mknod'ing it |
| 23:25.12 | levi | That would probably cause trouble. |
| 23:25.20 | hans | hmm |
| 23:25.27 | hans | now I'm not so sure I have devfs on at all |
| 23:25.37 | hans | that would certainly explain it |
| 23:26.01 | levi | Yeah, when I had devfs mounted the dev tree was totally different. |
| 23:26.04 | hans | $ grep -i devfs config-2.4.20 |
| 23:26.04 | hans | CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y |
| 23:26.04 | hans | # CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT is not set |
| 23:26.07 | levi | It screwed up everything. |
| 23:26.19 | hans | well, devfsd will nicely maintain compatibility symlinks |
| 23:26.28 | levi | Hmm. |
| 23:26.41 | levi | Does anything actually use the new layout, though? |
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| 23:26.53 | levi | I mean, why bother with devfs? |
| 23:26.54 | hans | i hypothesize that if I reboot and actually use devfs my problem will go away |
| 23:27.25 | hans | the answer to that question is at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html |
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| 23:33.48 | levi | Fixed? |
| 23:33.58 | hans | well, now I can get 10 open, but it doesn't seem to be fixed |
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| 23:34.43 | levi | Maybe the pty subsystem isn't made to take advantage of devfs yet. |
| 23:36.01 | hans | well there's a whole section on PTY security in the devfs README |
| 23:36.17 | levi | I'm just getting to that. |
| 23:36.44 | hans | here's something near the end: Note that you no longer need to mount devpts if you use Unix98 PTYs, |
| 23:36.48 | hans | as devfs can manage /dev/pts itself. This saves you some RAM, as you |
| 23:36.50 | hans | don't need to compile and install devpts. Note that some versions of |
| 23:36.53 | hans | glibc have a bug with Unix98 pty handling on devfs systems. Contact |
| 23:36.55 | hans | the glibc maintainers for a fix. Glibc 2.1.3 has the fix. |
| 23:37.07 | levi | Hmm. Maybe that's it, then. |
| 23:37.27 | hans | could be. how do I tell what version of glibc I'm running? |
| 23:38.41 | levi | ls /lib/libc* |
| 23:38.57 | hans | /lib/libc-2.3.1.so |
| 23:39.03 | hans | seems like that was fixed long ago |
| 23:39.55 | levi | I wonder why he uses 'gaol' instead of 'jail' |
| 23:42.45 | levi | So, what's 'tty' say in a terminal now? |
| 23:43.18 | hans | $ tty |
| 23:43.19 | hans | /dev/ttyp5 |
| 23:43.35 | levi | So did devfsd create that, then? |
| 23:43.50 | levi | Is /dev/ttyp5 a symlink to something? |
| 23:44.16 | hans | nope, regular c files |
| 23:44.36 | levi | They shouldn't be there if devfs is mounted. |
| 23:44.37 | hans | i still can't find that .devfsd file |
| 23:44.50 | hans | so maybe it didn't mount. I explicitly told it to at boot though |
| 23:45.28 | levi | Do you have stuff like /dev/discs/disc0, etc? |
| 23:45.37 | hans | nope. drat |
| 23:47.10 | levi | Oh, I guess if .devfsd doesn't exist then it's not mounted. |
| 23:47.25 | hans | guess I'll recompile my kernel and clean up this mess |
| 23:47.45 | levi | You could mount devfs manually. |
| 23:48.09 | hans | has to be done before init. besides, that's what I just tried doing. (pass devfs=mount as a kernel option) |
| 23:48.31 | levi | mount -t none devfs /dev |
| 23:49.01 | levi | The README says it can be done like that in your boot scripts. |
| 23:49.17 | hans | # mount -t none devfs /dev |
| 23:49.17 | hans | mount: fs type none not supported by kernel |
| 23:49.51 | levi | Hmm. Well, I just pasted that from the README. |
| 23:49.59 | hans | yeah, I saw it too |
| 23:50.11 | hans | i think I remember reading that it would have to be before starting init though |
| 23:51.10 | hans | i see why I only get 10 |
| 23:51.16 | hans | /dev/ptypa is missing |
| 23:51.44 | levi | Ahh, yeah. How'd you manage to delete random pty entries? |
| 23:52.10 | hans | i think it had to do with severe hardware crashes when messing with video cards |
| 23:52.12 | levi | They ought to go from ptyp to ptyq, etc. |
| 23:53.03 | levi | Mine goes all the way to ptyzf, which is pty #175 |
| 23:53.20 | hans | $ ls /dev/pty* | wc -l |
| 23:53.21 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.34 | hans | well, now I have a whopping 16 that work. that'll get me through the night. :) |
| 23:55.17 | levi | Oh, it goes from p to z and then starts again at a. I have 255 of them. |
| 23:55.55 | hans | see, now if I had devfs working I wouldn't have these troubles. :-) |
| 23:56.20 | levi | Yeah, well, if you're having trouble with this stuff, I can only imagine what other gremlins are lurking around. |
| 23:56.32 | levi | Having random files disappear is bad. |
| 23:57.42 | hans | is there a way to renew /dev with all the standard entries? |
| 23:58.29 | hans | i'm sure it has something to do with devfs, which I have been using (and verified) in the past |
