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| 01:18.32 | Derek_ | Bradipo: I found out how to create good looking pdfs from tex! |
| 01:19.23 | Derek_ | Bradipo: tex <file>.tex, then dvips -P pdf <file>.dvi, then ps2pdf <file>.ps |
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| 15:18.33 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:18.52 | Bradipo | Morning. |
| 16:16.28 | hans | hi |
| 16:16.33 | levi | Wassup? |
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| 16:23.21 | Derek_ | Bradipo: did you get my message yesterday about pretty fonts in pdfs from tex files? |
| 16:24.53 | Derek_ | What's the difference between oss and alsa sound? Why would I choose one over the other? |
| 16:31.47 | hans | alsa is the next generation |
| 16:31.50 | hans | consider oss deprecated |
| 16:32.02 | hans | as for why - if you're just playing music then probably no hurry to change over |
| 16:32.08 | hans | but if you're doing advanced stuff you will want to |
| 16:32.41 | Derek_ | cool, thanks |
| 16:34.31 | hans | even then alsa has some subtle features over oss |
| 16:35.19 | Derek_ | like what? Anything you know off the top of your head? |
| 16:36.15 | hans | like blocking. you can have it setup (default, i think) to where apps block instead of failing when trying to play to it. |
| 16:36.48 | Derek_ | but you still can't have two apps play sound at the same time? |
| 16:36.54 | hans | that could be a bad thing if your app is written wrong, but that's how oss is supposed to work too but it's at the driver level so is broken in some drivers |
| 16:37.29 | hans | there's a project called JACK for mixing audio streams but I am not aware of widespread usage outside the hardcore sound apps |
| 16:37.33 | levi | Well, I believe on some sound cards ALSA will let you play two audio streams simultaneously through a hardware mixer. |
| 16:37.34 | hans | but it's up and coming |
| 16:37.48 | hans | that may be true if you have a decent card. :) |
| 16:38.23 | levi | Yeah, requires hardware support and support in the particular ALSA driver, AFAIK. |
| 16:38.37 | levi | And I think it's limited to two channels. |
| 16:43.04 | tensai | OSS has support for two channels also. For the second channel you use /dev/dsp1. The card has to support it, of course. |
| 16:44.50 | Derek_ | Yeah, but what I meant is how in windows if I'm playng music and then I start a game, I get them both playing at the same time automatically. I think that this would be a nice feature in linux. |
| 16:45.25 | levi | Someday it will be there. :) |
| 16:45.32 | Derek_ | :) |
| 16:46.02 | hans | yeah, it's long overdue but I'm waiting with baited breath |
| 16:46.08 | levi | You can already have something like that if you use a sound server like esd or arts, but your apps have to explicitly support it instead of using the low-level interface. |
| 16:46.47 | hans | i wonder why someone doesn't just write a kernel patch that does mixing. |
| 16:46.55 | levi | hans: That's bated breath, I hope. Otherwise you might have fish jumping into your mouth, and that could be quite startling. |
| 16:52.34 | tensai | how do you turn off swap files in vim? |
| 16:53.40 | Derek_ | :se noswf |
| 16:53.49 | Derek_ | I think. I just looked it up... |
| 16:53.54 | hans | shoot. what does bated mean then? |
| 16:54.02 | hans | i thought the phrase almost made sense with baited |
| 16:54.03 | Derek_ | can also be :se noswapfile |
| 16:54.36 | tensai | Derek_: ok. that works |
| 16:54.47 | Derek_ | according to the oed: |
| 16:54.50 | Derek_ | Lowered or lessened in position, amount, force, estimation, etc.; esp. in bated breath: breathing subdued or restrained under the influence of awe, terror, or other emotion. |
| 16:55.02 | levi | hans: In this context, it means 'lessened' or 'held back' |
| 16:55.35 | tensai | ibot: bated is lessened or held back |
| 16:55.36 | | okay, tensai |
| 16:55.57 | Derek_ | what is ibot? |
| 16:55.58 | levi | hans: I.e., you're holding your breath in anticipation |
| 16:56.04 | Derek_ | ibot: what are you? |
| 16:56.05 | | hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 16:56.29 | Derek_ | ibot: why are you here? |
| 16:56.30 | | Derek_: what are you talking about? |
| 16:56.54 | tensai | ibot keeps us informed |
| 16:56.55 | | tensai: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:57.06 | tensai | !lart tensai |
| 16:57.14 | tensai | no? ok then |
| 16:57.14 | Derek_ | :) |
| 16:59.09 | Derek_ | tensai: btw, do you have the vimguide? great for looking up questions like yours |
| 17:00.49 | tensai | Derek_: vimguide? |
| 17:01.11 | Derek_ | tensai: a pdf with about every conceivable vim command. Great reference |
| 17:01.23 | Derek_ | tensai: also has all the setting you can change |
| 17:01.43 | Derek_ | tensai: if your interested, I can send it to you |
| 17:01.52 | Derek_ | tensai: you're |
| 17:02.06 | tensai | Derek_: ah. I have read it. I have a great .vimrc but it's at home and I'm not. |
| 17:37.12 | hans | ~lart tensai |
| 17:40.47 | tensai | ah, no! my mojo! |
| 17:57.25 | Bradipo | So, Derek_ you figured it out! |
| 17:57.27 | Bradipo | That's cool. |
| 17:57.41 | Bradipo | I'll have to make a note of that. |
| 17:57.47 | Bradipo | I should have known that dvips would handle that. |
| 19:16.53 | hans | is mozilla behaving strangely for anyone else? It keeps doing funky things with focus |
| 19:19.22 | tensai | hans: are you using mozilla on my box? |
| 19:51.28 | hans | um, no |
| 19:51.59 | hans | does it do that for you? |
| 19:52.24 | hans | like it's fighting for focus. esp. when mozilla has more than one window open |
| 19:58.11 | Bradipo | Maybe you have someone attached to you via VNC. :-) |
| 19:58.46 | hans | heh. |
| 20:06.26 | tensai | when I switch between workspaces sometimes I get windows in the background popping into focus |
| 20:06.36 | tensai | doesn't seem to be specific to mozilla, though |
| 20:08.54 | hans | example: I move from one xterm on the left of mozilla over mozilla then down to an xterm below mozilla. the destination xterm gets focus but then loses it immediately to mozilla (mouse still over xterm) |
| 20:09.50 | hans | example2: a new mozilla window comes up (let's say download box) and focus switches rapidly between mozilla and child until I press alt-tab. even moving the mouse over other windows doesn't help (although alt-tab always does) |
| 20:10.16 | hans | i think I have caught gaim doing this too, so I wonder if it's a gtk2 thing (doesn't mozilla interact with gtk nowdays?) |
| 20:10.26 | hans | it doesn't do it with moz 1.0 |
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