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| 07:30.03 | kryptik | Wow, were is everyone tonight? |
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| 14:35.38 | hans | hi Derek |
| 14:38.38 | Derek_ | what's up |
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| 14:39.04 | Derek_ | I saw your uug posting advertising this, so I thought I'd check it out |
| 14:40.44 | hans | welcome. real busy now, as you can see. ;-) |
| 14:40.56 | Derek_ | hehe. normally like this? |
| 14:41.06 | levi | Heya. |
| 14:42.42 | hans | more or less. low-volume but interesting enough. usually people are lurking during the week |
| 14:42.55 | hans | on the weekend it's really dead. :) |
| 14:43.08 | Derek_ | hehe. yeah, don't doubt it |
| 14:44.17 | levi | Who'd have thought that a bunch of computer geeks would actually be doing things on the weekend? ;) |
| 14:44.34 | Jayce^ | hans, you get my email about that card? |
| 14:45.01 | hans | yeah I did |
| 14:45.18 | hans | i'm thinking it might be possible in a month or so. |
| 14:45.31 | hans | state tax return is bigger than federal was. :) |
| 14:45.32 | Derek_ | Well, I'll be lurking more often in the future, but I have to run now to class. Martial arts. :) |
| 14:45.42 | hans | don't get hurt |
| 14:46.08 | Derek_ | Come on, that's the whole point! BTW, Hans, I will still be able to get you that card if you want it |
| 14:46.22 | hans | really? awesome. that would be lovely |
| 14:46.42 | Derek_ | nod. later |
| 14:47.34 | levi | I always owe money on my taxes. I'm considering filing a new W-4 so I don't have to deal with that again. |
| 14:49.54 | hans | i might do substantial contract work this year and I'm thinking of doing the incorporation thing |
| 14:50.13 | hans | self-employment tax nailed me on federal, relatively speaking |
| 14:53.24 | levi | Yeah, been there before. |
| 14:53.36 | levi | But you still got a return? |
| 14:54.57 | Jayce^ | I set up my LLC the other month, since I owe big this year |
| 14:57.18 | hans | yeah, about half of what I paid. without self-employment I had no liability |
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| 19:53.52 | Bradipo | Anyone live in PG? |
| 19:54.40 | levi | I'm pretty sure some people live there, yeah. Dunno if any of them chat here, though. ;) |
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| 20:50.27 | hans | I'm going to do my teacher evaluations now that I'm frustrated |
| 20:50.37 | hans | by an uncooperative project. :) |
| 21:08.51 | levi | Another semester is almost over, eh? |
| 21:21.26 | hans | yup |
| 21:21.47 | hans | and all the projects I procrastinated because they were boring come due. :) |
| 21:24.58 | levi | Ahh, the joys of school. |
| 21:47.52 | hans | sounds like harleypig isn't happy |
| 21:59.58 | levi | Why do you say that? |
| 22:00.21 | neybar | he wants a new job bad... I don't blame him |
| 22:43.45 | Jayce^ | no kidding, he can't support his family on what he's making now.. |
| 22:47.57 | Bradipo | Where does he work? |
| 22:50.09 | Jayce^ | right now he's doing support at sento.. |
| 22:50.20 | Jayce^ | for like 7.50 an hour.. hasn't been able to find anything more.. |
| 22:50.24 | Bradipo | Hmm, is sento a good place to work? |
| 22:50.30 | Bradipo | Yeah, I know what you mean. |
| 22:51.07 | Jayce^ | doing what he's doing? anybody can pick it up in days.. alan is a very talented programmer, so it's pretty bad for him |
| 22:51.43 | Bradipo | Stupid market. |
| 22:52.00 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 22:52.48 | Bradipo | Kind of makes me wonder how anyone stays in business; since nobody is buying anything. |
| 22:53.13 | Bradipo | I guess people have to eat, so maybe the food stores are alright. :-) |
| 22:53.32 | Bradipo | My neighbor had to get a job at Walmart because he couldn't find a job in the IT field anywhere. |
| 22:55.15 | Jayce^ | it's not just it too, that's what's really bad.. |
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| 23:08.27 | levi | People are still buying clusters. |
| 23:12.09 | tensai | Bradipo: I worked at Staples for 4 months until (thankfully) I got a job as a sysadmin |
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| 23:14.03 | Bradipo | Buying clusters of computers? |
| 23:14.24 | Bradipo | Hey Doc, how's it going? |
| 23:14.35 | ClintLord | Going well.. thanks. |
| 23:14.43 | ClintLord | Well... not exactly well... |
| 23:14.47 | ClintLord | thus my visit here. |
| 23:14.53 | Bradipo | Heh, should have guessed. |
| 23:14.58 | Bradipo | What's up? |
| 23:14.59 | ClintLord | jerk! |
| 23:15.00 | ClintLord | he he! |
| 23:15.29 | Bradipo | tensai: where are you at now? |
| 23:15.53 | ClintLord | I just ran the rpm for the latest MySQL v. 4.0 and it acted like all was well, but I can't seem to find the mysql "stuff" anywhere. |
| 23:16.18 | levi | Bradipo: Yup. |
| 23:16.23 | Bradipo | rpm -ql <packagename> will list where all the files are. |
| 23:17.05 | ClintLord | now it says "not installed" |
| 23:17.17 | ClintLord | but when I run rpm -i MySQL... it says "already installed. |
| 23:17.21 | Bradipo | That could be why they are missing. |
| 23:17.22 | ClintLord | after that first time. |
| 23:17.32 | Bradipo | Do: rpm -qa | grep mysql |
| 23:17.39 | Bradipo | See what mysql packages might already be installed. |
| 23:18.25 | ClintLord | oh.. it says that libmysql3.23.27 is there. |
| 23:18.52 | ClintLord | but I still don't know where the files would be, even for the older version. |
| 23:19.22 | Bradipo | Well, if you upgraded, the old files were most likely removed. |
| 23:19.41 | ClintLord | does rpm -i do an upgrade? |
| 23:19.43 | Bradipo | The configuration files should still be intact, as well as the databases. |
| 23:19.45 | Bradipo | No. |
| 23:19.51 | ClintLord | what do I need to do? |
| 23:19.54 | ClintLord | to upgrade? |
| 23:19.56 | Bradipo | rpm -i will only install if there isn't a version currently installed. |
| 23:20.02 | Bradipo | I always recommend rpm -F |
| 23:20.05 | tensai | Bradipo: Oregon. www.linxtechnologies.com |
| 23:20.11 | Bradipo | Or even more fun, rpm -Fvh package |
| 23:20.20 | ClintLord | which means?? |
| 23:20.29 | Bradipo | -F is for Freshen. |
| 23:20.44 | Bradipo | You could use -U, but it's not quite as intelligent as -F is. |
| 23:20.55 | Bradipo | Or rather, rpm isn't as intelligent when using -U. |
| 23:21.09 | ClintLord | Tried -F, just now, but now when I try -ql it still says "not installed" |
| 23:22.09 | ClintLord | -U says "the package is already installed" |
| 23:22.11 | tensai | -F only upgrades if it is installed. -U upgrades or installs. -i only installs |
| 23:22.21 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 23:22.36 | ClintLord | So I'm going around and around... -ql says it's not there... and -U says it is. |
| 23:22.52 | Bradipo | Did you see anything from the grep command? |
| 23:22.56 | ClintLord | yeah |
| 23:22.59 | Bradipo | ``rpm -qa | grep mysql'' |
| 23:23.05 | Bradipo | If so, what? |
| 23:23.06 | ClintLord | libmysql3.23.47... |
| 23:23.17 | Bradipo | That's not output that rpm -qa would produce. |
| 23:23.28 | Bradipo | Was it libmysql-3.23.47? |
| 23:23.42 | Bradipo | So, maybe all you have installed are the libraries? |
| 23:23.51 | ClintLord | ok |
| 23:23.56 | Bradipo | That's odd. |
| 23:24.04 | Bradipo | So, -U says it's already installed? |
| 23:24.08 | ClintLord | yeah |
| 23:24.15 | Bradipo | Well, you could always force it on there... |
| 23:24.20 | ClintLord | how? |
| 23:24.28 | Bradipo | What's the name of the RPM that you are trying to install? |
| 23:24.56 | ClintLord | MySQL-server-4.0.12-0.i386.rpm |
| 23:25.10 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 23:25.15 | Bradipo | Well, --force will force it on. |
| 23:25.21 | Bradipo | But I don't know if that's such a good idea just yet. |
| 23:25.26 | ClintLord | he he! |
| 23:25.27 | ClintLord | ok |
| 23:25.30 | Bradipo | Have you tried to rebuild the RBM database? |
| 23:25.37 | ClintLord | no |
| 23:25.39 | Bradipo | rpm --rebuilddb I think. |
| 23:25.55 | Bradipo | Oh wait... |
| 23:25.59 | Bradipo | Try: rpm -qa | grep -i mysql |
| 23:26.06 | Bradipo | Case insensitive. :-) |
| 23:26.10 | ClintLord | it's already running the --rebuild |
| 23:26.14 | Bradipo | Oh well. |
| 23:26.20 | Bradipo | It won't hurt, it will just take a few moments. |
| 23:26.49 | ClintLord | ok |
| 23:26.52 | ClintLord | -i helped. |
| 23:26.53 | ClintLord | it's there. |
| 23:27.04 | Bradipo | Which one? |
| 23:27.17 | ClintLord | perl-Mysql-1.22_19-1mdk |
| 23:27.18 | ClintLord | libmysql10-3.23.47-5.3mdk |
| 23:27.18 | ClintLord | MySQL-server-4.0.12-0 |
| 23:27.24 | Bradipo | So it is already installed. |
| 23:27.28 | ClintLord | yeah... |
| 23:27.33 | ClintLord | but -ql doesn't seem to work. |
| 23:27.40 | Bradipo | What about: rpm -ql MySQL-server |
| 23:28.25 | Bradipo | Heh, looks like mandrake. :-) |
| 23:28.29 | Bradipo | My favorite!!! |
| 23:28.35 | ClintLord | that worked. |
| 23:28.42 | ClintLord | This is a Mandrake issue? |
| 23:29.28 | Bradipo | No, I don't think so. |
| 23:29.34 | Bradipo | I'm just chiding Mandrake. |
| 23:37.47 | ClintLord | thanks... found what I was looking for... have more work to do, but it's a start. |
| 23:37.48 | ClintLord | thanks! |
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| 23:52.01 | tensai | ever wondered how much bandwidth the loopback device has? I'm pushing ~900Mbps through mine on a P3 667. |
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| 23:57.31 | Bradipo | I have wondered actually. |
| 23:57.39 | Bradipo | I don't know if I've ever tested it. |
| 23:58.20 | hans | i was wondering just yesterday |
| 23:59.08 | tensai | I actually needed to test my new gigabit card, but figured I'd test lo too |
| 23:59.24 | hans | I'm doing a network MIDI app and latency is a big deal, so I was wondering if loopback could be so latent as to cause jitter (no load to speak of). while thinking of latency i wandered to bandwitdh too. ;0 |
| 23:59.39 | hans | it turned out to be timidity that is horrible at dealing with realtime |