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| 04:38.36 | Jayce^ | hey bbeattie |
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| 05:52.54 | albino | Jayce^: Super Meeting? |
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| 05:57.38 | Jayce^ | albino: Got SCO to commit to a Q&A session at the next plug meeting |
| 05:58.06 | kryptik | SCO == ? |
| 05:58.13 | kryptik | Who from SCO? |
| 05:58.15 | Jayce^ | formerly caldera.. |
| 05:58.22 | albino | Jayce^: Whats plugs website URL? |
| 05:58.27 | kryptik | plug.org |
| 05:58.29 | Jayce^ | the company that is suing IBM |
| 05:58.45 | Jayce^ | albino: being transferred right now.. plug.org is down.. |
| 05:58.45 | kryptik | Who from SCO.. I know who SCO is, but who is going to be there. |
| 05:59.00 | Jayce^ | I know their main "PR" media guy.. proably lawyers too |
| 05:59.23 | kryptik | Sweet, and this will be? |
| 06:00.24 | Jayce^ | next week.. |
| 06:00.38 | kryptik | Yea, I just didnt read.. |
| 06:00.52 | kryptik | Thursday, right? |
| 06:01.18 | Jayce^ | http://mailman.plug.org/mailman/listinfo/pluglist is still up |
| 06:01.23 | Jayce^ | no, wednesday |
| 06:01.27 | kryptik | What time? |
| 06:02.01 | albino | Jayce^: If you want me to post to FSLC club mailing list email me -- dan.miller@usu.edu |
| 06:02.27 | albino | Jayce^: When will it be back up? |
| 06:03.20 | Jayce^ | depends on when mike can get things in order (needs a job before he can get the server setup again) |
| 06:03.33 | Jayce^ | albino: k, I emailed roberto about it, so I think he might first.. |
| 06:03.42 | Jayce^ | I might be putting it on /. tomorrow too |
| 06:03.49 | TimRiker | "I'm sorry bt I can not comment on that at this time" * 100 |
| 06:03.51 | albino | Jayce^: Roberto will get it done, don't worry about emailing me then |
| 06:04.24 | Jayce^ | yeah, I figured he might find that topic interesting :) |
| 06:04.33 | albino | Jayce^: /. will be impressive |
| 06:04.50 | Jayce^ | I hope, I can't link to our site though, since it's not up :/ |
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| 06:05.57 | albino | Jayce^: You ought to get a temp server going or something - even if its a 233 Mhz or something. Of course that wouldn't hold up to a /. beating |
| 06:06.26 | Bradipo_ | Unless you have ample bandwidth, your connection to the Internet is likely to go first. :-) |
| 06:06.43 | Bradipo_ | That is if you get slashdotted. |
| 06:06.55 | kryptik | Yea. |
| 06:07.05 | Jayce^ | yeah.. mike's box is ok, but they wouldn't like a /.ing |
| 06:07.07 | albino | Plug is on BYU campus bandwidth isn't it? |
| 06:07.11 | Bradipo_ | Was the SCO thing tonight? |
| 06:07.15 | kryptik | no |
| 06:07.16 | Jayce^ | next week |
| 06:07.18 | kryptik | next wednesday |
| 06:07.26 | Jayce^ | albino: no.. about.com's :) |
| 06:07.54 | albino | Jayce^: Oh, okay |
| 06:08.59 | bbeattie | Jayce^: Howdy |
| 06:09.06 | Jayce^ | hey... |
| 06:09.16 | bbeattie | I've got some lag time.. ;) |
| 06:09.20 | Jayce^ | was wondering if you want to cross post about the PLUG meeting next week? |
| 06:09.23 | bbeattie | what's new? |
| 06:09.27 | bbeattie | sure |
| 06:09.51 | bbeattie | run to sllug's website and do a submit story, put whatever you want and I'll pass it through. |
| 06:09.57 | Jayce^ | k.. |
| 06:10.15 | bbeattie | .. you'll need a sllug website account, if you don't have one, to submit stories. |
| 06:10.34 | bbeattie | I'm heading to bed as we speak, I'll do it tomorrow morning, about 11am. |
| 06:10.40 | bbeattie | unless you need it sooner. |
| 06:10.46 | Jayce^ | allright |
| 06:11.15 | bbeattie | 'night |
| 06:11.18 | bbeattie | 'quit sleep |
| 06:11.23 | kryptik | Heh |
| 06:17.49 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, right. |
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| 06:18.02 | Bradipo_ | Not sure how I can flood when I'm not even at my desk... |
| 06:18.06 | TimRiker | that'll teach ya. |
| 06:18.17 | Bradipo_ | Did you do that? |
| 06:18.24 | TimRiker | heh. nope. |
| 06:18.29 | Bradipo_ | Hehe. |
| 06:18.33 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 06:18.36 | Bradipo_ | I guess I'll never know the reason. |
| 06:18.52 | Bradipo_ | Y'all settled in there partner? |
| 06:19.11 | TimRiker | is Bradipo a bot? got logs? I can see why ibot gets flood kicked from time to time. |
| 06:19.17 | Bradipo_ | Nop, not a bot. |
| 06:19.41 | Bradipo_ | I just haven't done any Nick enforcing on it. |
| 06:19.49 | TimRiker | the ranch here is plum full o' boxes |
| 06:19.49 | kryptik | if he is a bot, he must have some form of AI |
| 06:19.55 | TimRiker | heh |
| 06:20.33 | Bradipo_ | One of these days, I would like to write an AIM bot that will record everything I say and then learn from it. |
| 06:20.47 | Bradipo_ | Then, I could turn it on and watch the fun. |
| 06:20.47 | kryptik | That would be awesome |
| 06:20.51 | kryptik | Heh. |
| 06:21.06 | Bradipo_ | I have a primitive AIM bot that is modelled on Eliza. |
| 06:21.06 | kryptik | I dont know if I like the idea of two Bradipo's runnin around |
| 06:21.22 | Bradipo_ | Bradipos rarely run... |
| 06:21.30 | Bradipo_ | http://bradipo.org/ |
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| 06:22.13 | Bradipo_ | And yes, bradipo is sloth in Italian. |
| 06:22.35 | kryptik | lol |
| 06:23.00 | kryptik | Same here, kryptik never runs.. but frequently speaks in third person. |
| 06:23.09 | hA1cy0n | evening boyz |
| 06:23.15 | kryptik | What up |
| 06:23.31 | Bradipo_ | Well, have you ever seen a sloth run? |
| 06:23.43 | hA1cy0n | i'm looking for the md5checksums for RH9 |
| 06:23.52 | kryptik | I havent.. |
| 06:23.52 | hA1cy0n | anybody got em? |
| 06:23.56 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 06:24.07 | Bradipo_ | Can't say that I do. |
| 06:24.10 | kryptik | I dont use md5checksums to tell you the truth |
| 06:24.17 | kryptik | I can however, help you look for some |
| 06:24.23 | kryptik | I believe ibiblio has one |
| 06:24.26 | Bradipo_ | Do you mean of the RPMS? |
| 06:24.32 | Bradipo_ | Or all the installed files. |
| 06:24.35 | Bradipo_ | Or the ISOs? |
| 06:24.42 | kryptik | ISO, I assume |
| 06:24.48 | hA1cy0n | i don't usually, but i'm doubting the integrity of my .isos |
| 06:25.02 | kryptik | Yea, ok. |
| 06:25.05 | kryptik | Let me look for ya |
| 06:25.10 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, aren't they on the ftp site? |
| 06:25.24 | kryptik | Not always |
| 06:25.38 | hA1cy0n | well, they aren't released on ftp until monday |
| 06:26.03 | hA1cy0n | and i can't find them on redhat.com |
| 06:26.14 | Bradipo_ | Where did you get your ISO images then? |
| 06:26.16 | kryptik | Bradipo: Do you always leave food hanging out of your mouth. |
| 06:26.23 | Bradipo_ | lol |
| 06:26.43 | hA1cy0n | what are you guys talking about? |
| 06:26.46 | Bradipo_ | That's to make me look more cool. |
| 06:26.51 | hA1cy0n | if you don't mind me asking... |
| 06:26.55 | Bradipo_ | http://bradipo.org/ |
| 06:27.06 | Bradipo_ | You barely missed the URL that I posted when you came in. |
| 06:27.11 | Bradipo_ | Er joined. |
| 06:27.29 | hA1cy0n | nice photo |
| 06:27.38 | kryptik | Heh, I thought so. |
| 06:27.41 | hA1cy0n | sort of like a glamourshot |
| 06:28.04 | kryptik | hA1cy0n: http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/5547 There you go! |
| 06:29.19 | Bradipo_ | I hope the original photographer doesn't mind me borrowing his image. |
| 06:29.25 | Bradipo_ | If I knew who it was I would ask permission. |
| 06:29.40 | kryptik | Heh, I doubt he will ever know.. |
| 06:29.55 | hA1cy0n | thx, all i could find on ausgamer were for disc1.iso |
| 06:30.02 | hA1cy0n | and it checked out |
| 06:30.13 | kryptik | So does that work then? |
| 06:30.31 | hA1cy0n | i was hoping somebody had the .md5 directly from RH |
| 06:30.46 | hA1cy0n | yes, that one works |
| 06:30.51 | kryptik | Ok |
| 06:30.58 | hA1cy0n | thx for your help |
| 06:31.11 | kryptik | Well if what you say is true, and redhat hasnt released them, then I doubt anyone would have them. |
| 06:31.39 | hA1cy0n | they've released to subscriber, of which i am not |
| 06:32.21 | kryptik | Ahh, well in that case.. I could possibly have it to you tommorow around this same time |
| 06:32.54 | hA1cy0n | really, nice |
| 06:33.17 | hA1cy0n | are you the subscriber or you company? |
| 06:34.01 | kryptik | Neither, but I have a kid in my CNA class who is a subscriber, I will have him send them my way. |
| 06:34.46 | hA1cy0n | that would be cool, if you get the chance |
| 06:35.15 | kryptik | Yea, I will see what I can do |
| 06:41.12 | kryptik | ftp://linux.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/RedHat/linux/9.0/en/iso/i386/ |
| 06:41.19 | kryptik | That md5sums |
| 06:41.28 | kryptik | is the only thing available, it seems |
| 06:41.44 | kryptik | I have seen seven ftp servers and download sites, that list that same file |
| 06:45.57 | hA1cy0n | hmmm, that one had an error and the ausgamer said it was good |
| 06:46.12 | hA1cy0n | bad sign, i'd say |
| 06:46.41 | kryptik | Where did you download it from |
| 06:46.52 | kryptik | If your indoubt grab it again |
| 06:50.21 | hA1cy0n | after looking at the checksum files, the sums are the same, but the format isn't |
| 06:50.41 | hA1cy0n | maybe my summer doesn't like the new one |
| 06:50.50 | hA1cy0n | maybe they do it differently in TW |
| 06:50.51 | kryptik | I wouldnt know |
| 06:51.05 | hA1cy0n | anywho...thanks for your help |
| 06:51.08 | kryptik | I suggest waiting for the redhat issued .md4 |
| 06:51.13 | kryptik | er, .md5 |
| 06:51.16 | kryptik | yea, it was nothing. |
| 06:51.52 | hA1cy0n | yeah, i think i will hang on to them until i can get it straight from them |
| 06:52.16 | hA1cy0n | what distributrion do you run? |
| 06:53.22 | kryptik | Redhat, Gentoo, and LFS. |
| 06:53.54 | hA1cy0n | how do you like gentoo? |
| 06:54.01 | kryptik | Love it |
| 06:54.09 | hA1cy0n | i've heard good things about it |
| 06:54.15 | kryptik | Yea, its really great |
| 06:54.21 | kryptik | but then its all personal preference. |
| 06:54.32 | kryptik | And linux is linux, so you cant go wrong choosing something other. |
| 06:54.45 | hA1cy0n | what to you like about it? |
| 06:55.56 | kryptik | Everything. Theres really only one con, I see in using it. |
| 06:56.07 | hA1cy0n | what is that? |
| 06:56.11 | kryptik | And that is that fact that without an internet connection (a semi fast one, at that.. |
| 06:56.12 | kryptik | ) |
| 06:56.13 | kryptik | oops |
| 06:56.18 | kryptik | it doesnt do you any good |
| 06:59.04 | kryptik | Well voyager is on, I will be back |
| 06:59.07 | kryptik | one hour. |
| 06:59.21 | hA1cy0n | you mean you have to be decently connected for it to do much? |
| 06:59.30 | hA1cy0n | aight, enjoy your show |
| 07:16.28 | kryptik | Nevermind, the damn satellite wont work. |
| 07:16.39 | hA1cy0n | sry |
| 07:16.50 | kryptik | Yea, gentoo comes in a very small bundle, you have to grab all the extras via the web |
| 07:16.52 | kryptik | or cd |
| 07:16.57 | kryptik | no problem |
| 07:17.34 | hA1cy0n | i c, so you just have to be connected to get all everything you want |
| 07:18.01 | kryptik | Yea |
| 07:18.06 | kryptik | Or have a cd with it all |
| 07:18.23 | hA1cy0n | intersting |
| 07:18.45 | kryptik | It actually has a cool little tool to make it easy however |
| 07:18.48 | kryptik | called emerge |
| 07:18.53 | kryptik | its way easy. |
| 07:19.25 | hA1cy0n | have you ever installed it on a laptop? |
| 07:19.36 | kryptik | nope |
| 07:20.26 | hA1cy0n | that is one really good thing about RH |
| 07:20.37 | kryptik | What is? |
| 07:20.44 | kryptik | That it has a laptop install? |
| 07:20.55 | hA1cy0n | that my laptop takes it really slick |
| 07:21.10 | kryptik | Ahh ok. |
| 07:21.18 | hA1cy0n | its a full install, but it recognizes everything and just works well |
| 07:21.32 | hA1cy0n | even the nvidia driver is easy now |
| 07:21.46 | kryptik | Yay! |
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| 07:28.49 | kryptik | yay for timmy! |
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| 14:03.39 | kryptik | x |
| 14:03.43 | kryptik | ooops |
| 14:52.04 | hans | anyone know how to get the running kernel's config? (i.e. to help in configuring a new kernel) |
| 14:52.17 | hans | i heard a rumor once of /proc/config or something but I don't have it. |
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| 17:57.40 | kryptik | Anyone care to explain to me how to use bunzip2.. |
| 17:58.14 | kryptik | I moved to /usr/src (where I want to extract to), and typed: bunzip2 /mnt/floppy/nameoffile.tar.bz2 |
| 17:58.24 | kryptik | but it unpacks to /mnt/floopy |
| 17:58.31 | kryptik | heh, floppy* |
| 17:59.04 | Bradipo | bzip2 -dc /mnt/floppy/nameoffile.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - |
| 17:59.17 | Bradipo | That will untar it in your current directory (not on the floppy). |
| 17:59.21 | kryptik | woa.. |
| 17:59.26 | kryptik | thanks a lot. |
| 18:00.28 | kryptik | worked like a charm |
| 18:00.29 | kryptik | thanks |
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| 18:04.44 | Bradipo | No problem. |
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| 19:07.44 | bbeattie | Jayce^: Did you send the PLUG story to sllug's website? |
| 19:08.04 | kryptik | Someone was going to do it for him, I thought.. |
| 19:08.16 | Jayce^ | sorry, busy fighting fires :/ |
| 19:08.24 | kryptik | literally? |
| 19:08.37 | bbeattie | post whatever you want it to say here, and I"ll post it. |
| 19:08.43 | bbeattie | sysadmin fires. |
| 19:08.51 | kryptik | Ahh ok. |
| 19:08.56 | Jayce^ | programming fires. :/ |
| 19:09.03 | kryptik | Oh. |
| 19:09.11 | Jayce^ | script I've worked on for a long time has lost all my work from the repository?!?! |
| 19:09.26 | kryptik | oh no. |
| 19:09.28 | kryptik | that sucks |
| 19:11.00 | Jayce^ | bbeattie: what email can I send a copy of my plug posting to? |
| 19:14.59 | Jayce^ | so you can post it? |
| 19:40.01 | bbeattie | bbeattie@sllug.org |
| 19:41.08 | Jayce^ | sent |
| 20:02.49 | bbeattie | Jayce^: posted |
| 20:03.12 | Jayce^ | excellent, thanks.. |
| 20:03.22 | kryptik | Anyone here done cpp/openGL? |
| 20:03.24 | Jayce^ | getting a temporary plug site up right now.. |
| 20:19.04 | bbeattie | I have |
| 20:19.24 | bbeattie | kryptik: I may be able to help, if not, #opengl will. |
| 20:19.40 | kryptik | I was just wondering how you go about drawing things with it |
| 20:19.45 | kryptik | It seems pretty hard. |
| 20:19.48 | kryptik | and complicated. |
| 20:19.52 | bbeattie | drawing what type of things? |
| 20:19.59 | bbeattie | 2d? 3d? |
| 20:20.13 | kryptik | 3d |
| 20:20.18 | kryptik | well and 2d I guess. |
| 20:21.31 | bbeattie | you have to setup a good perspective (viewpoint) and then setup your lighting, then draw objects. It's pretty hard to do from scratch if you've never done it before. Go download a simple GL app and then work from that. 2D is very different than 3D. completely different way pretty much for drawing things like lines. |
| 20:21.56 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 20:22.22 | kryptik | How would you call in models and such from say.. 3dsm or maya |
| 20:22.27 | bbeattie | I learned GL by being given a starting GL program and modding it. That's how the Y teaches it. |
| 20:22.50 | kryptik | hmm |
| 20:23.09 | bbeattie | kryptik: there are model loaders that you can including, then just call the function with a filename and it will load the model. You need to understand matrices to understand how it will draw things though too. |
| 20:23.26 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 20:23.34 | bbeattie | .. openGL needs a bit of learning the basics before you can just start coding. |
| 20:23.36 | kryptik | Well I will have to look into it somemore. |
| 20:23.42 | kryptik | Yea, that make sense. |
| 20:23.59 | kryptik | Do you know where I can find gvim for linux |
| 20:24.06 | kryptik | in .tar.gz |
| 20:24.08 | kryptik | if possible |
| 20:24.10 | bbeattie | the largest thing, is you rotate the world around you, and you have to push and pop matrices (That controll where the world is) to change things around. |
| 20:24.20 | kryptik | Hmm. |
| 20:24.37 | bbeattie | .. I don't, sorry. apt-get install gvim? :-) actually, see gnome.org, search their software map, it'll be in thedre. |
| 20:25.17 | kryptik | I am at vim's site, but they dont even have it listed... I wonder if it even exists... |
| 20:25.24 | bbeattie | If you want to use GLU/GLUT, there's commands for (I'm here and I'm looking this way) but for standard openGL, those types of things don't exist. |
| 20:25.30 | bbeattie | it does |
| 20:25.49 | bbeattie | I have it, but it came with my gnome apt-get. check www.gnome.org and then click on the software map. |
| 20:25.54 | bbeattie | afk for a bit. |
| 20:26.00 | kryptik | ok |
| 20:27.36 | kryptik | odd. I dont see it there either.. |
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