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| 00:51.50 | Bradipo | So, is slashdot being slashdotted right now or something? |
| 00:52.33 | Jayce^ | whew.. it's not just me.. |
| 00:52.45 | Bradipo | lol |
| 00:52.59 | Bradipo | I thought maybe another site had decided to block us. :-) |
| 01:05.07 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 01:17.18 | Bradipo | Are those current? |
| 01:17.40 | Bradipo | I am unable to connect from anywhere. |
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| 04:04.07 | kryptik | Bradipo: You still looking for a time to go biking? |
| 04:04.15 | Bradipo_ | Heh. |
| 04:04.28 | Bradipo_ | I wish I had time. |
| 04:04.33 | kryptik | Same here. |
| 04:04.41 | Bradipo_ | But the weather is definitely making it difficult not to find time. |
| 04:04.43 | kryptik | I got five weeks that I can do it |
| 04:04.43 | Bradipo_ | :-) |
| 04:05.03 | kryptik | Yea, no kiddin |
| 04:05.08 | Bradipo_ | How long will you be in LV? |
| 04:06.21 | kryptik | For a year, then I move to seattle. Im going to live up there for a while, I hope. |
| 04:13.12 | Jayce^ | lucky... Seattle rocks.... you know what part? |
| 04:16.51 | kryptik | No not yet, I was looking at gettin a place in bellevue |
| 04:17.19 | kryptik | maybe redmond.. so I can throw eggs at some random buildings.. |
| 04:17.38 | Jayce^ | bellevue is right next to it anyways.. |
| 04:17.48 | hans | better buy a chicken |
| 04:17.49 | kryptik | Yea. |
| 04:18.00 | kryptik | Jayce^: but I cant throw that far |
| 04:18.08 | kryptik | hans: to expensive |
| 04:31.41 | hans | news from iraq (email from my cousin): |
| 04:31.59 | hans | I think the oil suppliers are right. It's going to be a very short war. |
| 04:31.59 | hans | We've made it to Baghdad already. Iraqi soldiers just giving up left and |
| 04:31.59 | hans | right, kinda like the last war. Taking Baghdad won't go as quickly as |
| 04:31.59 | hans | the |
| 04:32.00 | hans | rest of the country, obviously, but I still don't think it will take |
| 04:32.02 | hans | long. |
| 04:32.04 | hans | I don't have quite as much free time now that the war has started, but |
| 04:32.06 | hans | it's |
| 04:32.08 | hans | still not too bad. Saddam must be a very frustrated man. Anything and |
| 04:32.10 | hans | everything he shoots our way gets shot out of the sky by a patriot. It's |
| 04:32.12 | hans | amazing to me that they can actually HIT one missle with another one. |
| 04:32.14 | hans | Thankfully, though, nothing he's shot our way would have actually hit the |
| 04:32.16 | hans | mark. SCUD's are not very advanced missles. They're about as accurate |
| 04:32.18 | hans | as |
| 04:32.20 | hans | lawn darts in a hurricane. |
| 04:32.22 | hans | It's kinda like ripping the feathers off of |
| 04:32.24 | hans | an |
| 04:32.26 | hans | arrow before you shoot it. But, just for good measure, (and hopefully to |
| 04:32.28 | hans | upset Saddam so much he has an aneurysm) we knock them out of the sky |
| 04:32.32 | hans | anyway. Like I said, it'll be a short war. Saddam is far too |
| 04:32.34 | hans | outmatched. |
| 04:32.36 | hans | </quote> |
| 04:32.45 | Jayce^ | coool |
| 04:32.55 | kryptik | Hey |
| 04:33.02 | kryptik | I just heard that there was a huge battle |
| 04:33.03 | hans | he sent it (to his parents) at 1544 zulu |
| 04:33.05 | kryptik | did I miss something |
| 04:33.14 | Jayce^ | my "brother's brother in law" is a seal, and will be deployed "within three weeks" |
| 04:33.51 | Jayce^ | mandrake 9.1 |
| 04:34.21 | kryptik | is that bamboo? |
| 04:34.26 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 04:35.55 | kryptik | How is it? |
| 04:36.31 | Jayce^ | dunno.. just started the download |
| 04:37.53 | kryptik | Oh I see. |
| 04:40.05 | hans | Bradipo: re your email on the "WMA conference" thread |
| 04:40.48 | Bradipo_ | Yeah? |
| 04:40.55 | hans | when I worked there I saw from the inside the microsoft-centric view of everything |
| 04:41.10 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, that would have been interesting. |
| 04:41.38 | hans | I was doing web dev. and my tendency to test in mozilla/netscape was tolerated (until deadlines were pushing) but nobody else touched anything but ie |
| 04:41.57 | hans | or else cursed netscape (back then it was mostly 4.x though, so who can blame them?) |
| 04:42.11 | Bradipo_ | I suppose that's not too different from how a regulare corporation would be. |
| 04:42.17 | Bradipo_ | regular. |
| 04:42.49 | hans | for the most part it's just because the church is very conservative - they want what works and has been 'proven' and in their perspective at least microsoft products fit that mold |
| 04:43.06 | hans | and why not? Bill sure has spent a lot of marketing money to make it at least look that way |
| 04:43.07 | Bradipo_ | What disturbs me is that if it isn't Microsoft it is frowned upon. |
| 04:43.11 | Bradipo_ | Right. |
| 04:43.18 | neybar | you know you're a geek when you don't want to shut down your box to put it on a ups cause it would kill your uptime... |
| 04:43.27 | Bradipo_ | The Church isn't the only place where the IT managers have had the wool pulled over their eyes. |
| 04:43.34 | Bradipo_ | Heh! |
| 04:43.38 | Bradipo_ | I had the same problem a while ago. |
| 04:43.45 | Bradipo_ | But Orem's power grid was killing it anyway. |
| 04:44.10 | hans | yeah. although they do run a number of solaris boxes. don't know about email though, since I worked on web stuff (but of course never got to touch the servers directly) |
| 04:44.15 | Bradipo_ | I guess that the reason why I so vehemently oppose Microsoft is because they are successful at convincing managers that different is bad. |
| 04:44.36 | kryptik | neybar: for reals. |
| 04:44.54 | Bradipo_ | I hate the phrase, ``Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft.'' |
| 04:44.57 | hans | i don't recall why realaudio was dropped but IIRC it was mostly because they only wanted to support one format |
| 04:45.06 | Bradipo_ | I heard it was to save money. |
| 04:45.12 | Bradipo_ | Because Real cost too much. |
| 04:45.14 | hans | that could be too |
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| 04:45.27 | Bradipo_ | I'm sure MS gave the Church a big discount. |
| 04:45.33 | Bradipo_ | Why not... |
| 04:46.09 | Bradipo_ | If they can convince the upper management (i.e. the leaders) that their solution costs less, they know that it will only mean more money from the viewers. |
| 04:46.10 | kryptik` | what church |
| 04:46.12 | kryptik` | lds? |
| 04:46.15 | Bradipo_ | Yeah. |
| 04:46.22 | Bradipo_ | Sorry for not specifying. |
| 04:46.25 | Bradipo_ | brb |
| 04:46.49 | Bradipo_ | So, the cost of the decision is really pushed out onto the members. |
| 04:47.19 | Jayce^ | now we need to get them to helix :) |
| 04:47.53 | Jayce^ | neybar: I understand your pain.. I dont' want to take gemini down for the same reason... and I'm probalby going to be moving him to one of those rack cases soon.. |
| 04:48.39 | kryptik` | I dont understand why the church would support a monopolizing company |
| 04:49.08 | Jayce^ | kryptik`: the church uses what works.. they are very much an 'enterprise' when it comes to computing terms.. |
| 04:49.28 | Bradipo_ | Anyway, I don't want to rant too much about it. |
| 04:49.37 | Bradipo_ | Jayce^: Yep, that's the kicker right there. |
| 04:50.14 | kryptik` | Hmm. |
| 04:50.31 | Jayce^ | take their family history databases for instance... you *really* dont' think they trust that to just anything? |
| 04:51.02 | kryptik` | no, but I am sure mysql is better than mssql |
| 04:51.10 | hans | the church as an organization is less concerned with software issues than with getting the job done. |
| 04:51.39 | kryptik` | The databases are wanted up 24/7.. something windows has a hard time doing |
| 04:51.53 | kryptik` | and I dont see how they could beat a free price |
| 04:52.00 | hans | support |
| 04:52.08 | kryptik` | There is support |
| 04:52.11 | Jayce^ | well, for the db, they dont' touch microsoft.. it's oracle.. big oracle.. |
| 04:52.13 | hans | not to mention IT that knows windows |
| 04:52.28 | hans | on solaris, I might add |
| 04:52.31 | Jayce^ | *the* db.. the db's I should say.. |
| 04:52.33 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 04:52.38 | kryptik` | There are plenty of people in the church that know how to run linux very well. |
| 04:52.45 | kryptik` | That should not pose a problem |
| 04:53.23 | Jayce^ | but for the church it's still *very* new.. although I've heard they are feeling it out.. but they will not just transition to something overnight.. they really take their time.. |
| 04:53.54 | hans | i know it's hard to wrap your head around, but it's not so black and white for a large organization in that situation - especially one as careful and conservative as the church |
| 04:53.58 | kryptik` | Why didnt they start with it. |
| 04:54.10 | Jayce^ | it wasnt' around then.. |
| 04:54.31 | kryptik` | they didnt run their online services before linux was around |
| 04:55.34 | hans | but they already had databases and IT and servers and whatnot |
| 04:55.49 | hans | and linux was newer then than now |
| 04:56.22 | hans | I don't say that they shouldn't go linux and/or free but having worked there I saw a little of the dynamics that play into such decisions. |
| 04:56.32 | kryptik` | Well if I was in any position to make the move, I would.. and without second thought |
| 04:56.54 | hans | and it would still take you several years to do it entirely, I bet. |
| 04:57.16 | hans | or at least one |
| 04:57.23 | Jayce^ | hans: did you grab that anything box album? |
| 04:57.25 | kryptik` | Not trure. |
| 04:57.31 | kryptik` | true* |
| 04:57.41 | hans | why not? |
| 04:57.48 | kryptik` | If you wanted, you could have it done in half a year. |
| 04:57.53 | kryptik` | RealNetworks did |
| 04:58.15 | hans | I don't think you understand the amount of data and complexity of the setup there. that combined with the pace the church works... |
| 04:58.17 | kryptik` | when the compitition was moving over (taking a year or more) they did it in less than half a year |
| 04:58.49 | kryptik` | Your probably right, but with the right people in there, it wouldnt be to long of a change. |
| 04:59.00 | kryptik` | less than a year, I am sure.. |
| 04:59.27 | Jayce^ | kryptik`: the big thing is the testing.. the church doesn't want to let *anything* slip through.. especially with their security, and if it touches the genealogical records.. |
| 04:59.41 | kryptik` | Yea, that makes sense.. |
| 05:00.01 | kryptik` | Well are they planning on doing it? |
| 05:00.23 | hans | kryptik`: I have worked on web sites that took well over a year to go public. They weren't that complicated, just that the church wants it _just_right_ |
| 05:01.23 | kryptik` | I know that, but microsoft should not be _just_right_ How could anyone settle for that, when an obvious supperior is sitting there in front of them. |
| 05:01.42 | Jayce^ | hey hans, that genealogy format you work with, what was it's name again? |
| 05:02.47 | hans | GDM? |
| 05:02.51 | hans | gdmxml? |
| 05:03.16 | Jayce^ | wasnt' sure.. I knew you were on the list for one, and were talking about it a while back.. |
| 05:03.56 | hans | gdmxml is my project |
| 05:03.59 | Jayce^ | probably going to be doing some updates to my page in a bit.. and getting the "massive" gedcom from my mom.. figure I'll make it able to dump to other formats.. as well as build pages off it.. |
| 05:04.01 | hans | http://gdmxml.fugal.net |
| 05:04.06 | Jayce^ | got a perl module :) |
| 05:04.23 | hans | do I? it's xml, so yeah. ;-) |
| 05:04.30 | Jayce^ | kewl |
| 05:04.52 | hans | it's actually alpha, and if you set up anything to use it I would LOVE you to death. and present it at the NGS conference in May when I present |
| 05:05.14 | Jayce^ | I just remember when I first saw the GEDCOM standard *book* when I was at OGF.. I dont' really want to use GEDCOM more than I have too :) |
| 05:05.25 | Jayce^ | no promises on before may.. life does happen :) |
| 05:05.38 | kryptik` | not around here.. |
| 05:05.58 | hans | yeah, I know that. :) |
| 05:06.23 | Jayce^ | heh.. your mailman says "no such list" |
| 05:07.32 | hans | ah, yes. umm, life is happening. ;-) I haven't set it up right since the switch of servers, and the old server is sitting behind a modem in vernal. :) |
| 05:07.49 | Jayce^ | ouch |
| 05:08.03 | kryptik` | vernel is sexy. |
| 05:08.13 | hans | the archives are ok though |
| 05:08.26 | hans | i'm going out this weekend, I'll fix it all up then. |
| 05:08.38 | kryptik` | to vernel |
| 05:08.40 | kryptik` | ? |
| 05:09.17 | hans | ack. cvsview is broken too. let me fix that |
| 05:10.18 | kryptik` | message recieved earlier today:DEAR IN CHRIST, |
| 05:10.19 | kryptik` | CALVARY GREETINGS IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. |
| 05:10.19 | kryptik` | I AM MR.PAUL EBOSELE, A MEMBER OF DOVE MINISTRY INC. |
| 05:10.19 | kryptik` | DURING A PRAYER AND FASTING SESSION IN MY MINISTRY I DEMANDED FROM |
| 05:10.19 | kryptik` | OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDEEM MY LIFE |
| 05:10.19 | kryptik` | AND PURIFY WHAT REMAINS OF MY WEALTH. |
| 05:10.21 | kryptik` | GOD DIVINELY REVEALED TO ME TO INVEST IN HIS KINGDOM THROUGH YOU AND |
| 05:10.23 | kryptik` | YOUR MINISTRY /CHARITY ORGANIZATION. |
| 05:10.25 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.27 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.29 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.31 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.33 | kryptik` | oops |
| 05:10.35 | kryptik` | didnt press enter |
| 05:13.47 | hans | fixed |
| 05:14.51 | kryptik` | that goatse.cx was ddos'd after sending pictures around of US POWS |
| 05:15.02 | kryptik` | I say, it should have been done sooner. |
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| 06:00.42 | hans | brailsmt: long time no see |
| 06:01.11 | brailsmt | yeah, i am buried in homework... |
| 06:02.46 | brailsmt | and i am trying to figure out this acpi stuff so my laptop stops overheating... |
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| 06:24.19 | brailsmt | it appears that the temperature is remaining under better control with this kernel that with the ck-sources kernel from gentoo... |
| 06:28.55 | kryptik` | any one here use grub? |
| 06:31.31 | hans | i do |
| 06:32.30 | kryptik` | Do you know the command from the commandline, to load a runlevel |
| 06:32.39 | kryptik` | I was told it was: linux # |
| 06:32.41 | kryptik` | but that doesnt work |
| 06:34.40 | kryptik` | nm |
| 06:34.42 | kryptik` | I found it |
| 06:34.47 | kryptik` | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/ref-guide/s1-grub-runlevels.html |
| 06:35.07 | Bradipo_ | All you need is: linux 3 |
| 06:35.14 | Bradipo_ | Or the level you want. |
| 06:35.26 | kryptik` | Yea it doesnt work |
| 06:35.39 | Bradipo_ | Well, you probably don't have linux... |
| 06:35.47 | Bradipo_ | Basically, you would have to go into the grub editor. |
| 06:35.54 | kryptik` | I have linux.. |
| 06:35.55 | Bradipo_ | Modify the first entry there and add the number 3 to it. |
| 06:36.05 | kryptik` | I found that out.. |
| 06:37.46 | Bradipo_ | I meant, you probably don't have lilo. |
| 06:37.55 | Bradipo_ | linux 3 would be a lilo command. |
| 06:38.16 | Bradipo_ | i.e. you are presented with> boot: |
| 06:38.22 | Bradipo_ | At which point you would type: linux 3 |
| 06:38.28 | Bradipo_ | But that doesn't work the same for grub. |
| 06:39.01 | kryptik` | Yea |
| 06:39.04 | kryptik` | I found the kernel line |
| 06:39.09 | Bradipo_ | Cool. |
| 06:39.11 | kryptik` | and added the word single |
| 06:39.15 | kryptik` | to the end |
| 06:39.21 | kryptik` | but it runs level 5 |
| 06:39.34 | Bradipo_ | Hmm. |
| 06:39.54 | Bradipo_ | Well, you could always mount the drive before booting it (i.e. from floppy or CDROM) and then edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 1 |
| 06:40.18 | Bradipo_ | But adding single to the kernel line should work. |
| 06:40.49 | kryptik` | Yea.. maybe I should try 1 |
| 06:40.52 | kryptik` | and see if that does it |
| 06:42.55 | hans | grub uses a different word, not single |
| 06:43.13 | hans | might be root or check or something |
| 06:43.16 | kryptik` | it doesnt work with 1 either |
| 06:43.19 | kryptik` | maybe I am not saving it right |
| 06:43.27 | kryptik` | I just hit escape to go back a screen |
| 06:43.29 | hans | there's built-in help in the grub command line, try pressing tab |
| 06:43.33 | kryptik` | but maybe that doesnst save the edit |
| 06:43.38 | kryptik` | I did |
| 06:43.43 | kryptik` | but that is not helpfull at all |
| 06:43.48 | hans | you should see the new line |
| 06:43.57 | hans | if you see the old line, it didn't save it. did you try pressing enter? |
| 06:43.58 | Bradipo_ | Well, it doesn't actually save it to disk (if that's what you are wondering). |
| 06:44.04 | kryptik` | Yea I did. |
| 06:44.09 | kryptik` | It didnt do anything |
| 06:44.13 | Bradipo_ | It should. |
| 06:44.16 | kryptik` | Bradipo: no I know that. |
| 06:44.22 | kryptik` | let me try again |
| 06:44.23 | Bradipo_ | Hitting enter should tell it to accept the new kernel line. |
| 06:44.30 | kryptik` | Yea |
| 06:44.34 | kryptik` | Oh yea it does |
| 06:44.37 | kryptik` | it takes me back |
| 06:44.38 | kryptik` | one screen |
| 06:44.43 | hans | then b to boot |
| 06:44.45 | kryptik` | and shows the edit correctly |
| 06:44.47 | kryptik` | ok |
| 06:44.49 | kryptik` | my bad |
| 06:45.10 | kryptik` | I went back one screen |
| 06:45.14 | kryptik` | then hit enter |
| 06:45.18 | Bradipo_ | That's why it forgot. :-) |
| 06:45.22 | kryptik` | Yea. |
| 06:45.31 | kryptik` | Thanks for the help. |
| 06:46.55 | kryptik` | It worked, btw hans.. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/ref-guide/s1-grub-runlevels.html tells me to use the word 'single'. |
| 06:47.26 | hans | guess I'm getting old. ;) |
| 06:48.50 | kryptik` | What is the command to get from the prompt to kde |
| 06:48.55 | kryptik` | I used: switchdesk kde |
| 06:49.02 | kryptik` | and it said its ready to be runned |
| 06:49.13 | kryptik` | *is that the right way to say it? |
| 06:49.16 | kryptik` | runned? |
| 06:49.23 | kryptik` | ran. |
| 06:49.34 | Bradipo_ | Well, single or 1 should be the same. |
| 06:49.38 | kryptik` | it is |
| 06:49.42 | kryptik` | they both worked |
| 06:50.02 | Bradipo_ | ``its ready to be run'' |
| 06:50.05 | kryptik` | single (1) doesnt require old password to update the root password |
| 06:50.07 | Bradipo_ | That's what it should be said. :-) |
| 06:50.11 | kryptik` | Yea it did |
| 06:50.20 | kryptik` | wait |
| 06:50.36 | kryptik` | it said, "desktop now set up to run KDE |
| 06:50.37 | kryptik` | " |
| 06:52.18 | kryptik` | nm, I will learn that later |
| 06:57.06 | Bradipo_ | nm is a good command to learn. |
| 06:57.08 | Bradipo_ | Very useful. |
| 06:57.44 | kryptik` | heh. |
| 07:00.00 | brailsmt | anyone know of the top of their head how to create a superscript in LaTeX? |
| 07:00.39 | Bradipo_ | You probably have to use $$ |
| 07:01.20 | brailsmt | i found it... |
| 07:01.22 | Bradipo_ | ^ |
| 07:01.33 | brailsmt | vim help and <c-d> is unbeatable... |
| 07:02.00 | brailsmt | i have extensive LaTeX help doc in vim, but I am always too lazy to search first... :| |
| 07:02.07 | Bradipo_ | Heh. |
| 07:02.19 | Bradipo_ | I have the book LaTeX by Leslie Lamport |
| 07:02.22 | Bradipo_ | Not a bad reference. |
| 07:02.25 | brailsmt | how about getting to not be italicized? |
| 07:02.36 | brailsmt | i mean the part within the $$ |
| 07:02.38 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, that could be more diffifult. |
| 07:02.49 | Bradipo_ | Since you are in math mode inbetween the $$ |
| 07:04.22 | brailsmt | you know i don't think the high performance kernel patches play nocely with acpi... |
| 07:04.53 | brailsmt | my laptop has run hot for months, including shutting 5 time today from being too hot ( > 95C) |
| 07:05.26 | Bradipo_ | laptop hardware sucks anyway... |
| 07:05.27 | brailsmt | i just put in a regular kernel, and the temp is staying at ~ 65C without the fan needing to run... |
| 07:05.36 | Bradipo_ | Mine does that every once in a while when running the screensaver. |
| 07:05.54 | brailsmt | i found out a lot of cool stuff about acpi though :) |
| 07:06.26 | Bradipo_ | Can you change the font while in the subscript? |
| 07:06.31 | brailsmt | like how to throttle my cpu from the cmd line, how to set temperature trip points, etc... |
| 07:06.35 | Bradipo_ | If so, just change it to a non italicized font. |
| 07:06.41 | Bradipo_ | That is cool. |
| 07:07.27 | brailsmt | i set the temp trip points too low and it nearly made the thing unusable... :o |
| 07:07.49 | Bradipo_ | What does it do? |
| 07:07.52 | Bradipo_ | Reboot? |
| 07:08.20 | kryptik` | how do I put a password on my bootloader (grub) |
| 07:08.45 | Bradipo_ | Not sure if grub can do that. |
| 07:08.54 | Bradipo_ | But if so, it's probably: password = asdfasdf |
| 07:09.12 | kryptik` | ok cool |
| 07:09.36 | Bradipo_ | You might want to look at the [lame] info page. |
| 07:10.08 | brailsmt | i set the critical to 75C in an attempt to get it to turn the fan on before that temp, it shutdown about 10 seconds after I set it, if I had set it more permanently i would have been shutdown befre having a chance to do anything... |
| 07:10.23 | brailsmt | i hate info pages... |
| 07:10.38 | Bradipo_ | Me too. |
| 07:10.41 | brailsmt | could the navigation be any more obtuse? |
| 07:10.51 | Bradipo_ | As obtuse as emacs. :-) |
| 07:11.05 | brailsmt | yeah, i guess the emacs ppl like it... |
| 07:11.19 | brailsmt | but man is the de facto standard... |
| 07:11.28 | Bradipo_ | Yep. |
| 07:11.36 | Bradipo_ | The best man pages I have ever seen are written for OpenBSd. |
| 07:11.48 | Bradipo_ | Theirs are very nice to read, indeed. |
| 07:11.57 | brailsmt | whether the FSF/Stallman like it or not |
| 07:12.00 | hans | or, if you don't want to look at the lame info page you could run debian which usually makes a not-lame man page for packages that otherwise don't have one |
| 07:12.08 | Bradipo_ | Yep. |
| 07:12.26 | Bradipo_ | Because Debian follows a set of standards. |
| 07:12.40 | Bradipo_ | And because Debian is the best Linux distro. :-) |
| 07:12.47 | hans | amen brotha |
| 07:13.06 | Bradipo_ | Commercial and non-commercial. |
| 07:13.24 | brailsmt | whatever... |
| 07:13.30 | brailsmt | :) |
| 07:13.45 | Bradipo_ | But I'm still running slackware on my main desktop here. :-) |
| 07:13.59 | Bradipo_ | But if it ever dies, I will probably replace it with Debian. |
| 07:18.35 | Bradipo_ | I have been running the same version of Slackware for 4 years now. |
| 07:19.15 | Bradipo_ | It's finally starting to show it's age, not because it doesn't perform well, but because I'm having a harder time getting newer packages to install (from source). |
| 07:19.24 | hans | hmm. I guess you could say I've been running this version of debian for a few minutes (last apt-get uprgrade. ;-) |
| 07:19.39 | Bradipo_ | Many now rely on features from glibc and newer versions of gcc and make. |
| 07:19.44 | Bradipo_ | Heh. |
| 07:21.05 | kryptik` | password --md5 password-hash |
| 07:21.06 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.16 | kryptik` | thats waht you add to your grub.conf file |
| 07:21.25 | Bradipo_ | Ahh, excellent. |
| 07:21.38 | kryptik` | You can configure GRUB to address the first two issues listed in the Section called Boot Loader Passwords by adding a password directive to its configuration file. To do this, first decide on a password, then open a shell prompt, log in as root, and type: |
| 07:21.38 | kryptik` | /sbin/grub-md5-crypt |
| 07:21.38 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.38 | kryptik` | When prompted, type the GRUB password and press [Enter]. This will return an MD5 hash of the password. |
| 07:21.39 | kryptik` | Next, edit the GRUB configuration file: /boot/grub/grub.conf. Open the file and below the timeout line in the main section of the document, add the following line: |
| 07:21.42 | kryptik` | password --md5 password-hash |
| 07:21.44 | kryptik` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.45 | Bradipo_ | So you have to generate the md5 hash of a password, put that in there, and then you're good to go. |
| 07:21.46 | kryptik` | Replace password-hash with the value returned by /sbin/grub-md5-crypt[2]. |
| 07:21.48 | kryptik` | The next time you boot the system, the GRUB menu will not let you access the editor or command interface without first pressing [p] followed by the GRUB password. |
| 07:21.51 | kryptik` | yea |
| 07:22.22 | kryptik` | Hope that helps someone out there.. |
| 07:22.45 | kryptik` | Well I am off to bed, see you guys later. |
| 07:22.56 | Bradipo_ | Later. |
| 07:25.37 | brailsmt | hans: your up late tonight |
| 07:26.14 | brailsmt | mmmmm |
| 07:27.00 | hans | yeah, trying to get 460 rpc done |
| 07:30.56 | brailsmt | this PoliSci paper sucks... I have read and read and reread the material, but I still have no clue what it is supposed to be about... |
| 07:32.05 | brailsmt | i have searched google high and low for help, but nothing comes up that is really useful, since philosophers have this nasty habit of obfuscating there writings... |
| 07:32.48 | brailsmt | i mean i can read the words, but its all in one ear and out the other, so to speak... |
| 07:33.22 | brailsmt | it feels something akin to reading asm that is not commented... |
| 07:33.37 | brailsmt | or perl |
| 07:33.40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 07:34.09 | hans | heh. I wrote my first fxruby gui yesterday |
| 07:34.48 | brailsmt | how'd it go? |
| 07:35.11 | hans | pretty good. It's an RFC viewer. |
| 07:35.28 | hans | I even stuck it on RAA. The only issue I had is listed in "Bugs" there. |
| 07:36.11 | brailsmt | i have written fox in both ruby and c++, it is a nice toolkit to use, very easy to program in either C++ or ruby... |
| 07:36.46 | hans | documentation isn't as nice as qt though |
| 07:37.24 | brailsmt | yeah, i don't think they have any "official" docs, just semi-official ones |
| 07:39.27 | hans | fox in general, I mean |
| 07:39.52 | hans | it was just as easy to get the concepts but there's no central reference |
| 07:40.30 | brailsmt | hans: looks like you are going to be the uug sysadmin next year :) |
| 07:46.55 | hans | :) |
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| 07:56.24 | Bradipo_ | Hmm, that was interesting. |
| 07:56.55 | Bradipo_ | I wonder how it had excess flood (nobody is using it). |
| 07:56.59 | Bradipo_ | Or nobody should anyway. |
| 07:59.39 | brailsmt | you flooded too much of nothing... |
| 07:59.42 | brailsmt | :) |
| 07:59.51 | Bradipo_ | I guess. |
| 08:00.02 | Bradipo_ | I just checked and the screensaver is running on that system. |
| 08:00.13 | brailsmt | it is the new freenode nothingingness flood filter |
| 08:00.18 | Bradipo_ | Could be. |
| 08:00.51 | brailsmt | you seen the neverending story? it is 'the nothing' :) |
| 08:01.00 | Bradipo_ | I haven't seen it for a while. |
| 08:01.26 | Bradipo_ | Man, that is an old movie. |
| 08:01.35 | hans | grr. |
| 08:01.52 | hans | $ ssh cs |
| 08:01.52 | hans | ssh: connect to host schizo.cs.byu.edu port 22: Connection refused |
| 08:01.57 | hans | I guess that means I go to bed now. |
| 08:02.11 | brailsmt | g'night |
| 08:02.15 | hans | or not. it's back |
| 08:02.25 | brailsmt | g'morning |
| 08:02.30 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:02.32 | hans | odd. you wouldn't think people would be fussing with firewalls this time of night |
| 08:03.00 | Bradipo_ | Best time to do it. |
| 08:03.06 | brailsmt | its the byu cs gnome... |
| 08:03.32 | hans | it is, but who's going to go to work at 1am to do it |
| 08:03.45 | Bradipo_ | Login remotely (or dialin). |
| 08:03.58 | hans | heh. there's a smart idea. I did that once. |
| 08:04.03 | Bradipo_ | I always modify my firewalls remotely (provided there is a backdoor somewhere). |
| 08:04.13 | brailsmt | hae you guys seen those surreal orange pictures of the sandstorm in iraq? |
| 08:04.30 | Bradipo_ | Nope |
| 08:04.35 | Bradipo_ | Where? |
| 08:04.44 | brailsmt | foxnews.com |
| 08:05.19 | Bradipo_ | I should have known... |
| 08:05.37 | brailsmt | why? |
| 08:05.42 | hans | :-D |
| 08:05.51 | Bradipo_ | Did you say that you preferred foxnews? |
| 08:06.33 | Bradipo_ | Or was that someone else? |
| 08:07.00 | brailsmt | i said that they post breaking news on their website before cnn.com... I have them both in tabs and I switch back and forth... |
| 08:07.24 | hans | ~foxnews? |
| 08:07.25 | | hmm... foxnews is brailsmt's favorite news. |
| 08:07.33 | Bradipo_ | Excellent! |
| 08:08.14 | hans | ~lart dumb_TAs |
| 08:08.39 | brailsmt | haha... |
| 08:09.30 | brailsmt | for politcal coverage though, i prefer newsmax.com... I prefer cnn's website, fox news on tv, and newsmax.com for political stuff... hows that for amalgamted news? |
| 08:09.33 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:10.19 | Bradipo_ | Maybe one day you can tell googlenews those are the types of news you like and it will automatically find the articles for you. :-) |
| 08:13.17 | Bradipo_ | Time to go... |
| 08:27.01 | hans | rpc done. I'm off to bed. |
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| 21:48.34 | Bonez39 | I have a drive that I think just died this morning..without warning.. |
| 21:48.51 | Bonez39 | any suggestions for possibly reviving it..it's not running linux, but was running windows.... |
| 21:48.58 | Bonez39 | I'd just like to retrieve some data from the drive.. |
| 21:50.03 | Bradipo | How did it die? |
| 22:51.12 | Bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.47 | Bonez39 | I was using it when I opened up this morning...I went to work on a patient..and left 3 apps running..came back and it had the blue screen 'o death...said Drive C: unavailable.. |
| 22:51.53 | Bradipo | I'm here. |
| 22:52.18 | Bradipo | Now I suppose it doesn't boot? |
| 22:52.24 | Bonez39 | I pulled the cover off the box...hooked up power cable...when I power up, I hear the drive spin up.....and it clicks and does all those strange start up sounds... |
| 22:52.25 | Bradipo | Does it make any noises or anything odd? |
| 22:52.44 | Bonez39 | nothing odd...no continual clicking..I have heard that awful sound before on other drives that have failed.. |
| 22:52.55 | Bradipo | So, the sounds are normal... |
| 22:52.57 | Bonez39 | this just makes a few noises and then keeps spinning... |
| 22:53.02 | Bonez39 | yeah, sounds relatively normal... |
| 22:53.07 | Bradipo | Maybe your MBR just got corrupted or something. |
| 22:53.32 | Bradipo | Have you tried mounting the drive in linux to see if you can see anything (or even putting it in another Windows system). |
| 22:54.07 | Bonez39 | well, I watch at boot and it will run thorugh the cd rom..and waits longer than normal, then reports this: 'primary master hard disk fail' |
| 22:54.21 | Bonez39 | no, have not tried it on another system yet.. |
| 22:55.22 | Bonez39 | due to cabling issues..I don't have a floppy hooked up in the system right now...the floppy for it has old connector..and I don't have the cable that will hook it up, but it does have a cdrom drive that works on it.. |
| 22:55.48 | Jayce^ | you got a knoppix cd? that's a good way to test/grab data... |
| 22:55.55 | Bonez39 | no....... |
| 22:56.10 | Jayce^ | well, that's my preferred way |
| 22:56.11 | Bonez39 | I have a woody cd....could I boot up system with it and use it to go in and examine things? |
| 22:56.31 | Bonez39 | woody debian.. |
| 22:56.39 | Bradipo | You could unplug everything, blow it out with canned air, and put it all back together again. |
| 22:56.51 | Bradipo | Sometimes all you need to do is reseat things and they work. |
| 22:56.59 | Bradipo | But the fact that you got a blue screen isn't promising. |
| 22:58.09 | Bonez39 | hmmmmm what about data recovery? |
| 22:58.24 | Bonez39 | anyone local that you'd recommend? |
| 22:58.59 | Jayce^ | well, I'd try knoppix or other system first.. more likely to get it through something simple like that if it's available.. |
| 22:59.04 | Bonez39 | one of my patients gave me the name of a guy in school in Logan..said he's pretty good at resolving such things.. |
| 22:59.11 | Bonez39 | ok..... |
| 22:59.29 | Bonez39 | back soon |
| 22:59.34 | Bonez39 | thanks, Jayce, brad |
| 22:59.35 | Jayce^ | knoppix is good because it has everything, and is easy |
| 23:01.03 | Jayce^ | ~knoppix |
| 23:01.03 | | it has been said that knoppix is a bootable CD with a collection of GNU/Linux software, automatic hardware detection, and support for most hardware. KNOPPIX can be used as a Linux demo, educational CD, rescue system, or adapted and used as a platform for commercial software product demos. It is not necessary to install anything on a hard disk. http://knoppix.net/. Can be used as a Debian install disc: http://www.freenet.org.nz/misc/knoppix-install.html |
| 23:01.25 | Jayce^ | hrm.. thought he listed the xmission mirror there |
| 23:03.47 | Jayce^ | http://mirror.usu.edu/mirrors/knoppix/ is local too |